Range test of surplus Persian (Iranian) 7.92x57mm Mauser Ammo. Testing this ammo for velocity and accuracy at 100 yards.
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@HarborLockRoad Жыл бұрын
German soldiers were taught to aim for the enemy beltbuckle, because mausers always shot high. Its nice to know this in long range shooting, i can outdistance modern assault rifles without worry. Lol
@314299 Жыл бұрын
That must have been inconvenient when the enemy was inconsiderate enought to not stand up in the open and fought from a trench or was using the kneeling or prone positions ..... No wonder they lost two world wars.
@HarborLockRoad Жыл бұрын
@@314299 ah, but thats why they went to the mp44 and 8mm kurz round. And for around corners, there was the krummlauf device. They didnt lose for being stupid, they were overwhelmed by mass production.
@slowhand11982 жыл бұрын
I'd be pretty happy to get 3" groups with Mauser sights anymore. I think we all agree that storage conditions have a lot do with primer longevity. Some stuff seems to be very reliable despite it's age, while other batches can be spotty at best, despite being produced much later.
@3142992 жыл бұрын
Yes, storage does indeed impact primer life, cool temperatures certainly extend storage life while high temperatures lessen storage life. Of course there is the issue of the quality of the initial product, it seems that high quality primers store much better than low quality ones. An example would be WW2 Canadian 303 ammo, which in my experience is still very reliable, compared to Pakistani 303 made in the 1960-70 period which is noted for unreliability.
@joemorganeatmyshortschannel2 жыл бұрын
surplus ammo is a gamble between lots
@3142992 жыл бұрын
Yes it certainly is. Unless proven otherwise one should assume that they are buying some components for salvage and not necessarily usable ammo. This stuff is still good enough to use in bolt actions, but in five or ten years might be full of duds.
@ReloadingMoreAD19662 жыл бұрын
Great test. Primers are an issue after so many years. Had some 45ACP from the 50's that gave me huge issues one the primers side. Thanks for sharing
@3142992 жыл бұрын
Yep, primers are generally the first component to degrade or fail. I was given a few hundreds of rounds of WW2 British made 9x19mm, most of it would not go off at all and if it did performance was erratic. When the bullets were pulled and the powder transferred to other brass with fresh primers the powder worked fine and velocity produced were normal.
@Possumliving2 жыл бұрын
@@314299 I've had similar results with old ammo. I've also noticed that I have more hangfires and misfires in cold weather, while the same surplus ammo is relatively reliable in warm weather.
@3142992 жыл бұрын
@@Possumliving You know that ammo is getting past it's best before date when the temperature starts to effect how reliable it has become.
@Possumliving2 жыл бұрын
@@314299 I know. Just can't get good 100 year old ammo anymore! 🤣
@guaporeturns94722 жыл бұрын
Interesting results. The change of impact with different case and primers is curious. Crimp/neck tension may be a factor? 🤔 I have a hell of a time with the sights my K98k , actually impressed with some of your groups. I may have been able to shoot mine better a few decades ago. Eyes just aren’t what they used to be. Always enjoy your videos , thanks for putting in the time. 👍🏻
@3142992 жыл бұрын
I think you are correct with the big difference being neck tension. The factory rounds seem to have very low neck tension, when I pulled the ammo apart the bullets came out very easily. This is something that I neglected to mention in the video, thanks for bringing it up. As for the sights on the Kar 98k I've never been a fan of them, even when I was in my teens I did not care for the "V" notch and inverted "V" front sight. Now that I'm in my 50's I like them even less!
@topturretgunner Жыл бұрын
@@314299. RifleChair in Canada filed the front blade of his M48 Yugo Mauser making it a bit thinner and it seemed to help a bit. Check out his KZfaq channel. I currently have and M48 that’s getting a fine sanding of the stock and oiling 1to2 part mineral spirits and boiled linseed oil. Then a Timney trigger and a Burris 2x7 long eye relief “Scout Scope” with a BDC reticle mounted on a Brass Stacker mount system which eliminates drilling and tapping the receiver. I live in FL and am considering getting some reloading equipment and working out some loads using soft point bullets in the 175 gr weight realm for hunting out to 300 yards with this rifle. I think that higher velocities and better accuracies are achievable with this rifle. Your opinion would be appreciated. Oh the M48 barrel length is the same as the K98.
@0BAAC02 жыл бұрын
That Persian ammo was more consistent than I've heard it usually is, which is surprising. I managed to get 4 crates of the Swedish from Marstar and that's what I generally use as well. I find it's consistent enough. K98s just aren't 2 MOA guns - unless you get really lucky.
@3142992 жыл бұрын
The Swed 8mm was a great source of components at a good price. What sort of charge are you using with the Swed bullet in the 8x57mm?
@0BAAC02 жыл бұрын
@@314299 I think I settled on 45 grains. Lower opened up the groups and I didn't want to go any higher and compress the powder.
@upnorthreloading22142 жыл бұрын
Mamnoon, I believe, is the word for thanks in Farsi. Always appreciated!
@3142992 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting.
@davidwagner60552 жыл бұрын
Good video as always
@3142992 жыл бұрын
Thanks David.
@mikepsi13592 жыл бұрын
About all you can expect out of the old girl. Good shooting on your part, all considered and interesting results on the reloads. Crimps I suppose but also remixing / destratification of the powder and introducing some fresh air would play a positive role.
@3142992 жыл бұрын
The different case capacity most likely also plays a role.
@Tookarooks2 жыл бұрын
Standard stuff seems to be pretty proficient considering. Nice review mate.
@3142992 жыл бұрын
It certainly performed better, reliability wise, than I expected it to.
@Thorsaxe7772 жыл бұрын
I kind of thought this would go the way it did, you are correct "Battle Rifle" was the expectation of the country that had these rifles made and 3-4 MOA was a standard they were expecting and accepted (Good Enough). I feel you did pretty good, the evaluation was done to the best of anyone's ability with the rifle and ammunition. This was a good realistic video for what a person would get with this combination. -Dave
@3142992 жыл бұрын
As always there is the competency of the "trigger puller" thrown into the testing equation. I've no doubt that there are shooters who could extract more accuracy from this ammo/rifle combo than I can. It would be interesting to see what other shooters could do with this combo. Thanks for your comment Dave.
@castbulletshooter34862 жыл бұрын
Interesting results. Thank you for the video.
@3142992 жыл бұрын
No problem, thanks for the comment.
@jeffryrichardson91052 жыл бұрын
Interesting!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
@3142992 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it.
@topturretgunner Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see what kind of velocities and accuracy could be achieved using lighter bullets in the 175gr realm using perhaps even soft points with just below maximum powder charges! Also using the longer barreled G98 or the BRNO manufactured Persian Mauser rifles which are renowned for their accuracy and quality! I am of the opinion that the potential for the 8mm Mauser round has not been fully explored as yet.
@314299 Жыл бұрын
While loading and testing 175 grain in the 8mm Mauser would no doubt be interesting it would be an expensive endeavor with the price of bullets/primers/powder in today's market.
@ATH_Berkshire2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the shooting review. Is there a table top breakdown of this ammo to come or is that sort of video a problem on KZfaq?
@3142992 жыл бұрын
I've done this series a bit out of order, there will be a breakdown and examination of the ammo in review in the future.
@FMLLOUCOSPORTIROS2 жыл бұрын
Salve. Meu amigo tudo bem?? Cara que armas incríveis... Pena que meu país são muito difícil de conseguir por causa da burocracia
@3142992 жыл бұрын
Yes, I've heard that Brazil is not a very friendly place for legal gun ownership.
@FMLLOUCOSPORTIROS2 жыл бұрын
@@314299 verdade meu amigo. aqui é muito rigoroso para ter o porte e posse de qualquer arma de fogo... No seu país oq precisa fazer para conseguir uma dessa????
@rodsvintagesxschannel.30952 жыл бұрын
Nice vid
@3142992 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rod.
@CobraMustang2 жыл бұрын
So I'm guessing no more semiauto anything from here on out for you guys in Canada?
@3142992 жыл бұрын
Many specific models that the "liberals" found scary were banned by name but there has been no blanket ban on semi-autos.
@sahmadi1000 Жыл бұрын
I owne two persian rifles. Are you sure that's a persian rifle? The stock doesn't look like it.
@314299 Жыл бұрын
It is the ammo that's Persian, not the rifle.
@AA-dn8dj2 жыл бұрын
How do you like to clean your Mauser after a range trip?
@3142992 жыл бұрын
I clean up the bore after shooting corrosive ammo using a 9 to 1 mix of Ballistol and water, followed up with drying the bore and then using strait up Ballistol. This procedure has been 100% effective in removing the corrosive priming residue, and is less hassle than some other methods I've tried.
@AA-dn8dj2 жыл бұрын
@@314299 Thanks I love using Ballistol, but I wasn't sure if I should mix it in water. Do you pour the 9-1 mix down the bore or just wipe it with patches? I roll a piece of paper towel around an AKM cleaning kit jag for my .308 to .323 bores and it wipes all sides of the bore evenly. I just went and shot my M24.47 today, it was a lot of fun.
@grob25 Жыл бұрын
A battle rifle is acceptable at 2-3 MOA.
@314299 Жыл бұрын
Your statement is leads me to a question: 2-3 MOA is acceptable to who? If the answer is acceptable to you, then fine, no arguing that. If one is talking about military acceptance standards then it depends on what military, what rifle and what period that is being referenced. Since the rifle in the video is a German one I can say that their accuracy standards for German 98 Mauser rifles was much larger than 2-3 MOA. Reference this video where the German acceptance standards of the day are discussed: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iZ2VhLdqscu6lXk.html
@grob25 Жыл бұрын
@@314299 U.S. Army basic rifle marksmanship standard. The target is a 4 M.O.A. black silhouette. I cannot tell you what standard was called for in the production of each service rifle. What we are trained to in the U.S. Army is 2-3 M.O.A. I want to say the CMP (Civillian Marksmanship Program) stated the M1 Garand was 5.5 M.O.A. at rack grade.
@grob25 Жыл бұрын
4 M.O.A supported, to be clear. The newer kneeling and standing is 16 M.O.A. equivalent.