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Morgana absolutely got punished for his actions. He got absolutely wasted twice and completely humiliated in his attempts to work alone.

I love Ryuji, he's probably my favourite P5 character. And I know he has said some bad stuff about Morgana too, but, Ryuji didn't deserve it. The moment they released Morgana from the cell he was locked in, he called Ryuji an airhead, an idiot. Treating him like crap when he praised Joker who was the only one out of the two (Ryuji and Joker) who had personas (at the time). Ryuji would talk back from time to time and every time he did Morgana got upset, not being able to take what he was dishing out. Ryuji has only ever been helping the phantom thieves to stop injustices and get back at people who have wronged others. Nothing more nothing less. Sure he may do stupid stuff at times, but Morgana shouldn't single him out and make him the butt of the joke from time and time again. Ryuji is great, yet he's still flawed. All I think is that Ryuji deserved an apology too. Morgana isn't the best guy ever but Ryuji shouldn't have really called him "useless". (Guys this is just my opinion don't kill me)

If only every mascot character in jprgs were like Aigis or Koromaru...

I genuinely hate how I'm enjoying the game up till chapter 5 and then we get to chapter 5 and Morgana throws a petty bitch fit and I immediately am like: bro I'm no longer having a good time. And this bitch fit sets off why I hate chapter 5 so much and it is a complete waste of everyone's time. I'm not against there being a fight in the group because families fight. But Morgana's bitch fit made me lose so much enjoyment, especially when the one time Ryuji doesn't put up with Morgana's insults, he has the nerve to get pissed off and run away, drag Haru in as a backup and then try to run us over with his car form. And given that Ryuji has been with Joker since the beginning, him suggesting he's trying to get girls and that's the only reason he's with the Phantom Thieves is just...ABSURD. And not only that, it takes time away from Haru to be well integrated into the team in a manner that allows us to grow attached to her in the same way as everyone else. Because we spend so much time with Morgana's bitch fit, Haru suffers as a character. Her conflict with her father could have been interesting to really lean into but instead we waste so much time with Morgana and it cuts into Haru having as natural of a persona awakening and revelation as every other character before in the team. It is my least favorite chapter for a reason and it's all Morgana's fault.

Be careful with the word "ruined"

Saying annie doesnt face the consequences of her actions is crazy and that she more than anyone else ruined the show is crazy. She was the one character who wanted to go home the most and she had her life on pause for years and when she almost got to go home she thought the one person she wanted to see was dead. She was very much punished for her selfish actions and she definitely had disassociation problems with her actions too. By the time she got free from the crystal there was a much bigger crisis at hand which is the litetal end of humanity and the cast already spent time understanding why she and the rest of the warriors did what they did. And for her by then she had given up on life she was ready to die and give up fighting. She was continuing her dissociatiom after the thought her dad was dead so thats why she continued to not show guilt after being removed from the crystal. She wasnt an unapolgetic sociopath rewatch the warriors backstory flashbacks in season 2 3 and 4 i promise you theres legit scenes where she was the 2nd most guilty behind reiner andfelt so much guilt and remorse about her actions. She just disassociated just as much as reiner did in different ways. You are objectively incorrect to say she didnt feel guilt about her actions when there are blatant flashbacks showing her guilt.

All mascot characters are annoying, it’s the whole point of their gimmick. I don’t know why Japan loves them so much but the same can be said for their infatuation with tentacles and NTR hanime.

Only reason I romance Ann is to fuck with Morgana. That spite look that he shows when he go out when Ann comes to you on valantines day is priceless. Btw initially i was going for friendzone route

I think what makes the Morgana thing worse is that each arc ends with him summing it up and congratulating Ren/Joker on getting a new teammate and how theyd be fucked if they didnt. He completely just talks about himself at the end of what should be Haru's arc, like little else changes.

Thanks so much for this video. Morgana's writing would have been absolutely okay if the game LET you react in a fair way, defend Ryuji or give Morgana a serious talking to. The game's attitude is way more annoying than anything they could have written for the characters

Morgana is awesome.

Teddy was 1,000 times worse.

I genuinely love his personality from a writing standpoint. My only real problem with him is that he barely grows after the whole incident. He and ryuji could’ve become super close friends after this and had mutual respect for each other but that didn’t happen. And if they didn’t want ryuji to be the catalyst for morgana’s growth, it could’ve just as easily been haru. But they did neither. He could’ve been a much better character if he actually grew and developed after this incident

1st of all, Morgana says "Anyway, of course I'm Male!" which is already a bad start. But to get everything out of the way, this is not a hate comment or anything. I'm just simply providing another perspective from someone that thinks that Morgana was in the right while Ryuji was in the wrong. "Morgana is useless and got what he deserved!" Y'all when Ryuji got caught by Makoto because of his carelessness: 😴😴😴 "Morgana abuses Ryuji!" Y'all when Ryuji calls Morgana useless knowing that they would be dead without him (Escaping Kaneshiro's and Futaba's palace): 😴😴😴 "Morgana is a creep! Morgana doesn't understand humans! Morgana criticizes everything Ryuji does" Y'all when Morgana excessively tells you how many times he can't understand human feelings: 😴😴😴 "Ryuji never uses the phantom thieves name for girls" Y'all during Futaba's training: 😴😴😴 "He's never held accountable!" Y'all when the thieves understand that he doesn't know how humans work: 😴😴😴 "Morgana isn't remorseful towards Ryuji!" Be so fr.... "Morgana is in the Phantom Thieves for selfish reasons!" Y'all when Morgana agrees that they need to reform society: 😴😴😴. Besides if I didn't know my true purpose and I found the key to finding out who I am, dang I would be selfish too. "Ryuji has been with Joker since the start!" Morgana fr lives with Joker gn... "Ryuji was right about Morgana becoming useless!" Y'all when morgana is the only one that can help them through mementos: 😴😴😴. Not to mention became as useful as Ryuji and the others without navigation skills. He can still fight and stuff. He can also make infiltration tools "Ryuji never says anything back!" Y'all basically the whole game : 😴😴😴 "Morgana shouldn't have run away!" Yeah he overreacted but without this, they would have never saved Haru from her fiance. "Morgana never got what he deserved!" Y'all when morgana was about to literally die before Haru saved him: 😴😴😴 "What if he didn't meet Haru!?" You have to remember that Morgana's entire arc and mind is that his sole purpose is to aid the thieves through everything and to be useful to them. Just think of your parents excessively calling you useless with seriousness "Ryuji was standing up for himself!' Y'all while Ryuji was explaining his motive: 😴😴😴 (It was so stupid) "Morgana never grows!" Y'all during his speech before Okumura's boss:😴😴😴 (Although that was Haru's moment and he stole it) "Morgana never took responsibility!" Biased but yall ain't ready for that conversation. The reason for level 8 of his confidant rank up was him taking responsibility and saying that he will try to be useful to all of them. " What about when Ryuji apologizes in the thieves den!" Well first thats Jokers cognition so that doesn't even make sense and isn't valid. Also He know how much Ryuji dodged the fact that he had to apologized to the point where the entire team essentially apologized for him. "Morgana only looks out for himself!" Y'all when he literally risked his life to save the thieves instead of taking Okumura's deal to save himself: 😴😴😴. He ALWAYS is looking out for the thieves "Morgana betrayed everything the thieves stood for!" What....? First of all, He is eager to fix these broken adults and Acknowledging that they are a severe problem. He isn't acting purely out of selfishness not to mention that he talks about how they can correct society's less important threats in mementos. In mementos, the place he can regain his true meaning, he focuses on fixing society before conforming his needs. I don't know about you but that isn't "selfish" to me. Proud Morgana Defender 🐈‍⬛💪🏾

At least it didn’t have Teddie in it

Ah c'mon Morgan is not that bad.... Although everything you've said about how they treat ryuji

I hate morgana so much that on my first play through of the game I dated ann at the end just to spite him, ik it dosent do anything but its still worth it imo. Im probaly just biased tho as Ryuji was my second favorite character in the game and the fact that morgana quite litteraly, never leaves your side. My fav character btw is Harus fiancée cause he got to do what I always wanted to do to morgana .

In a video about Morgana's character and how he isn't ever held accountable, you supposed what his character arc was meant to be without talking about his _auto-progress Confidant,_ wherein he literally apologizes to the Phantom Thieves after the Okumura palace, and wherein it's demonstrated that he has a massive inferiority complex that led him to falling away from the group to try to prove himself for their sake. Each of the Phantom Thieves also has their own reason for being a Phantom Thief, and it so happens that their goals coalesce into something common-- Morgana also explained that he thought he also needed his own reason in the course of his apology. Your AoT preamble is similarly poor. In the interest of brevity: there was an entire sequence where everyone's moral transgressions/failures/shortcomings were aired out, and the start of that sequence demonstrated and talked about the futility of arguing about how one transgression was in retaliation for another-- especially on a civilizational level-- because it would eventually lead to the two "sides" going back and forth about how they did X atrocity because of some prior Y atrocity, until they find themselves talking about things that they were never there to even suffer through, committed by people they're not even familiar with. Jean doesn't apologize to Falco for nearly exploding him in the Liberio raid, Connie doesn't apologize for nearly feeding Falco to his mother, and none of the Survey Corps apologizes to Annie for raiding her home zone and endangering the only person in the world she cares about up to the point of that talk. Their own lack of righteousness aside (Armin, especially, has always been too self-critical to think of himself as a "good person"), getting hung up on how they wronged each other would be a distraction from accomplishing their common goal (which is also why the campfire talk was good, in regards to that purpose).

Since all the comments are politely (and unpolitely) disagreeing I wanna chime in with also hating Morgana. Anime loves characters that just make annoying noises and creep on female characters and I lose more tolerance for them again and again. Morgana's "depth" is so lacking compared to the other characters. And I think the writers rely on him being a cute cat for the player to sympathise with him, instead of writing a character who isn't an absolute dick lol. I feel like if he was a human character he'd get a lot more hate, but we automatically give mascot characters a pass

i like Morgana :3

You obviously didn’t play persona 4.

Did you play the game in Japanese? The way Morgana talks, and his verbal tick in particular, defines his character archetype. He is supposed to sound kind of rude, especialy with his extremely liberal use of imperatives in his speech that would be unheard of in the real Japan. When the Japanese audience hears a character talking like that, they will assume this is how this character should behave - such as making fun of Ryuji. All in all though, Morgana is not really evil or anything like that, he is a funny, sassy character who means well at the end. But I do agree that Kawagami Sadayo is a bad character. In fact I found her entire confidant illogical, so much so that it makes it hard for me to take the entire story of Persona 5 seriously.

Morgana has never been my favorite character honestly. I just...don´t like to use him but how would you compare Morgana in the other games he is with the other phantom thieves? Example Persona 5 Strikers and how would you compare the writing about him there compared to P5/P5R?

While I do agree Morgana was mostly in the wrong in Chapter 5, I don't think he ever crosses a line, and everytime Morgana does call out Ryuji on his stupidity, it's usually justified, Ryuji often escalates every situation from bad to worse because he lashes out or can't keep his big mouth shut, and unlike Morgana, Ryuji isn't having an existential crisis, so I can see being called 'useless' as being far more hurtful for him then Ryuji just being called 'stupid', and Morgana not knowing who he is could be seen as being a reason he tends to lash out, specifically on Rjuji. And while this doesn't justify what Morgana says to Ryuji, again Morgana is still in the wrong, and I do think he and Ryuji should have both apologized, cause when you get down to it, you can definitely tell that Ryuji & Morgana are indeed friends who enjoy ripping on each other. Though I do find it a bit ironic that people have a problem with Morgana calling out Ryuji for being 'stupid' or Ryuji calling Morgana 'useless' but not a word is spoken about Yousuke & Teddie picking on Kanji for being 'stupid' AND teasing him about his sexuality OR how cruel Yousuke tends to be toward Teddie. Yousuke knows how much him teasing Kanji about his sexuality affects him, Chie even calls him out on it, and Yousuke treated Teddie poorly since day one, though granted the difference here between Yousuke & Morgana here, is that Yousuke faces karma for the things he says and does, compared to Morgana who doesn't, but I still find it oddly hypocrital that people can so easily criticise Morgana for how he treated Ryuji but not Yousuke and how he treated Kanji & Teddie. Keep in mind I love Ryiji & Morgana's dynamic just as I love Yousuke, Kanji & Teddie's dynamic, as I don't think there's anything wrong a bit of teasing among friends, and Persona 5 would be pretty boring if every character got along perfect, every group has those two characters who tend to squabble and not always see eye-to-eye.

Now this was completely unfair and biased.

Wow, I now hate Morgana lmao

Persona games have that 1 character that is basically the laughing stock, or the annoying one, as an example, Junpei quirky character in persona 3, Teddie in persona 4 being an absolute gigachad but also super annoying, even after it becomes sudo-human, and then Morgana in persona 5. What made Junpei so loved, and Teddie such an impressionable character, is that they are quirky, but they are accepted as such, and the memes are to laugh with them, not at them. Morgana on the other hand, is a gate keeper, and all the memes morgana is known for are usually because his character is flawed, he's needlessly annoying, super rude to other characters, especially Ryuji, and his entire shtick is being a cat who believes that is a human... I don't hate her for that, i hate morgana because she gatekeeps one of my favorite characters, Haru, from her own palace. Morgana is a character that if it didn't exist, the plot would proceed as normal, and i to say, i love persona 5's story, but "Morgana was a creation of Igor to aid the Trickster fight Yaldaboth" was perhaps the worst character writing in a persona game, no Shin Megami Tensei Game. It also doesn't help that his role in game, is a mess, because in both Persona 3 and Persona 4, Yukari and Yukiko, are 2 extremely likable female characters, who are integral to the plot, Morgana is just there... call me a fan-service apologetic, but i feel like that helped in solidify the hatred, because you had 2 great characters being replaced by a Talking Cat. With all that said, i disagree with you. Persona 5 is such a banger of a game, from Akechi vs Ren Rivalry, to Vengeance for Ren, everyone's problems being solved, ending with Yaldaboth vs Satanael, God vs Devil, Fool vs World, the entire plot was godlike and although Morgana's existence ruins it a lot, it doesn't outweigh the good things. And whoever thinks Morgana isn't that bad, please go play Persona 3 and Persona 4, and then let me know if ANY of the characters are as annoying as him. Good Christmas, and have a Great 2024

i dont get where the backlash of this take is coming from, i agree. that whole part with morgana was so contrived and forced. ryuji acts as he always does by getting defensive and hot headed, and he's proven to say dumb stuff out loud that he shouldnt have. he makes sense in the arc, but morgana who is going through this depression about their role in the group, despite having multiple times to talk to joker about it (seriously, they tease him opening up like 3 times) decides instead to throw a fit and leave. they could have made morgana wander the streets alone because of how lonely and depressed they felt, which could have lead to being able to bond with futaba on how crippling it can be. but no, morgana recruits haru to straight up undermine the phantom thieves work, as if in retaliation for a transgression no one on the team committed. i love the game, but that whole part is why i cant call the game perfect. and for anyone in the comments saying in the japanese version, morgana is supposed to be rude and that's their personality, then thats a bad personality. it doesnt excuse their actions.

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It's funny you say this because I honestly thought Ryuji was what was wrong with Persona 5. I just could not stand him.

Coming back to this video, wow, this really is just a terrible video. It's so one-sided and biassed, and refuse to care about what Morgana feels because "annoying". Claiming Morgana wasn't held accountable for his actions or that he only left the group because Ryuji called him useless, and also just refusing to see Ryuji as being in the wrong whatsoever and painting him as nothing but a victim of Morgana's "abuse." Just...terrible. I dread a Kawakami video where you cherry-pick information again and somehow try to paint her as somehow worse than the other adult girls you can romance, or saying she's basically just female Kamoshida (I don't think the romance is right, for the record, but saying she's just as bad as Kamoshida when she isn't the one coming on to Joker or is trying to blackmail or groom him, unlike Kamoshida, who did this to Ann, is disengenuous).

Nice clickbait

Opens the video with a completely shit and nonsensical take on Aot, yeah dont think the media literacy is there

Bro you completely misunderstood the dynamic, this video is actually upsetting, lol.

Did bro not do Morgana's auto advancing confidant or something, shitty video provide both sides of the argument next time.

Morgana is mint, i cried when he disappeared near the end. Yuuske was more unforgivable for being totally creepy towards ann and never apologises, everyone just moves on. Do not agree with your analysis

I hat thi scat

if we complete delete okumura's palace, it would be a better videogame😭😭

One character doesn't ruin a whole story, bro, relax. And Morgana was held accountable

someone really misunderstood morgana's character