Merry (late) Christmas everyone! Hope you enjoy this video essay on Persona 5, be sure to subscribe for more!
@ultimelol59078 ай бұрын
Yea it was a nice video and I agree with you 👍🏽
@goroadachi94898 ай бұрын
Morgana absolutely got punished for his actions. He got absolutely wasted twice and completely humiliated in his attempts to work alone.
@runicj8 ай бұрын
I love Ryuji, he's probably my favourite P5 character. And I know he has said some bad stuff about Morgana too, but, Ryuji didn't deserve it. The moment they released Morgana from the cell he was locked in, he called Ryuji an airhead, an idiot. Treating him like crap when he praised Joker who was the only one out of the two (Ryuji and Joker) who had personas (at the time). Ryuji would talk back from time to time and every time he did Morgana got upset, not being able to take what he was dishing out. Ryuji has only ever been helping the phantom thieves to stop injustices and get back at people who have wronged others. Nothing more nothing less. Sure he may do stupid stuff at times, but Morgana shouldn't single him out and make him the butt of the joke from time and time again. Ryuji is great, yet he's still flawed. All I think is that Ryuji deserved an apology too. Morgana isn't the best guy ever but Ryuji shouldn't have really called him "useless". (Guys this is just my opinion don't kill me)
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
I understand that it is your opinion but a few things to say. Yes, Morgana was ruthless to Ryuji since the start but you have to remember that Ryuji was gonna let Morgana rot in there until they were gonna die. Of course Morgana would be a bit agitated. Morgana got upset sure, but it always turned into like a 2 second scuffle. nothing more nothing less. Ryuji has excessively talked about how He was going to use the phantom thieves name for the sake of attracting women. Morgana excessively talks about how careless and reckless Ryuji is and it clearly shows when his said carelessness gets him caught by Makoto. Morgana singles him out mainly because Ryuji usually is the one that makes careless mistakes. Ryuji doesn't deserve an apology for being called out on his impetuosity.
@runicj8 ай бұрын
@@DoesntMattertbh I do understand what you're saying but I just want to say that although yes he has stated that they could use the fame to attract women and to be liked he never does so as he doesn't want to reveal who the phantom thieves are, or, rather he is forced to. But morgana says that this is the only reason that he is a phantom thief dismissing the fact that he genuinely cares for people and wants to take down genuine horrible people. Also I'm not saying he wasn't being an ass to Morgana either, sometimes he'll make morgana the butt of a joke too. And I'm not saying he deserves an apology for their fight in that arc, I'm saying he deserves an apology for all that morgana has said, that's all.
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
@@runicj Few things. After the thieves take down Kaneshiro, they go to the sushi restaurant in Ginza. There, Ryuji blurts out that they are the phantom thieves in front of other people. This is the kind of recklessness and carelessness that the thieves always call out. Numerous amount of times, Ryuji has said that he wants to tell them that he is a phantom thief because he can get the ladies. Sure, he cares about society, but this little thing with him is not very good. He is berated for his recklessness and shouldn't get an apology for that. Most of the things morgana says doesn't send him into a depression spiral either and Ann has done worse.
@runicj8 ай бұрын
@@DoesntMattertbh True, True, you're right. I just think though, that he deserves an apology for all morgana said and did to him in kamoshida's palace. that's it I have nothing else to say.
@zackrodriguez24067 ай бұрын
Most characters have some flaw but that’s okay. We are human and not perfect
@date59604 ай бұрын
If only every mascot character in jprgs were like Aigis or Koromaru...
@sophieamandaleitontoomey93437 ай бұрын
I genuinely hate how I'm enjoying the game up till chapter 5 and then we get to chapter 5 and Morgana throws a petty bitch fit and I immediately am like: bro I'm no longer having a good time. And this bitch fit sets off why I hate chapter 5 so much and it is a complete waste of everyone's time. I'm not against there being a fight in the group because families fight. But Morgana's bitch fit made me lose so much enjoyment, especially when the one time Ryuji doesn't put up with Morgana's insults, he has the nerve to get pissed off and run away, drag Haru in as a backup and then try to run us over with his car form. And given that Ryuji has been with Joker since the beginning, him suggesting he's trying to get girls and that's the only reason he's with the Phantom Thieves is just...ABSURD. And not only that, it takes time away from Haru to be well integrated into the team in a manner that allows us to grow attached to her in the same way as everyone else. Because we spend so much time with Morgana's bitch fit, Haru suffers as a character. Her conflict with her father could have been interesting to really lean into but instead we waste so much time with Morgana and it cuts into Haru having as natural of a persona awakening and revelation as every other character before in the team. It is my least favorite chapter for a reason and it's all Morgana's fault.
@EphyMusicOfficial6 ай бұрын
Someone didn't understand the assignment.
@zacharylandrum47896 ай бұрын
Morgana stealing the spotlight from Haru right before the Okumura boss fight honestly felt really stupid. I don't mind that Morgana has a character arc, but it's handled so poorly because of how it takes away from Haru's growth and her big moment standing up against her abusive father. Morgana's character arc should have been a bit of an intermission inbetween arcs instead of shoehorned into the Okumura Arc. That way, we can have Morgana's growth while letting Haru also grow in her own arc where she deserves it.
@cyanryann646 ай бұрын
Womp womp
@s_oba7 ай бұрын
Be careful with the word "ruined"
@LolHeh-vg8qi6 ай бұрын
Saying annie doesnt face the consequences of her actions is crazy and that she more than anyone else ruined the show is crazy. She was the one character who wanted to go home the most and she had her life on pause for years and when she almost got to go home she thought the one person she wanted to see was dead. She was very much punished for her selfish actions and she definitely had disassociation problems with her actions too. By the time she got free from the crystal there was a much bigger crisis at hand which is the litetal end of humanity and the cast already spent time understanding why she and the rest of the warriors did what they did. And for her by then she had given up on life she was ready to die and give up fighting. She was continuing her dissociatiom after the thought her dad was dead so thats why she continued to not show guilt after being removed from the crystal. She wasnt an unapolgetic sociopath rewatch the warriors backstory flashbacks in season 2 3 and 4 i promise you theres legit scenes where she was the 2nd most guilty behind reiner andfelt so much guilt and remorse about her actions. She just disassociated just as much as reiner did in different ways. You are objectively incorrect to say she didnt feel guilt about her actions when there are blatant flashbacks showing her guilt.
@IsekaiApostle7 ай бұрын
All mascot characters are annoying, it’s the whole point of their gimmick. I don’t know why Japan loves them so much but the same can be said for their infatuation with tentacles and NTR hanime.
@adamkenway73084 ай бұрын
Aigis isn't annoying at all, though.
@deviantdeforce8 ай бұрын
Only reason I romance Ann is to fuck with Morgana. That spite look that he shows when he go out when Ann comes to you on valantines day is priceless. Btw initially i was going for friendzone route
@oriongear24997 ай бұрын
And you went with the romance route, I’m assuming?
@elae40515 ай бұрын
Not really worth it, if I'm frank. Honestly I kind of just imagine Ren just forcing Morgana to watch Shiho and Ann confess their love in her Rank 9 out of spite.
@elae40515 ай бұрын
I think what makes the Morgana thing worse is that each arc ends with him summing it up and congratulating Ren/Joker on getting a new teammate and how theyd be fucked if they didnt. He completely just talks about himself at the end of what should be Haru's arc, like little else changes.
@annsh.64878 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for this video. Morgana's writing would have been absolutely okay if the game LET you react in a fair way, defend Ryuji or give Morgana a serious talking to. The game's attitude is way more annoying than anything they could have written for the characters
@annsh.64878 ай бұрын
and yes, the way Ryuji gets ridiculously tainted all the time by other Phantoms is absolutely unforgivable too
@annsh.64878 ай бұрын
taunted*
@laravioliiii28325 ай бұрын
@@annsh.6487 Did you reply to your own comment💀💀💀
@samus885 ай бұрын
Morgana is awesome.
@secularsoldier85858 ай бұрын
Teddy was 1,000 times worse.
@MaajidM8 ай бұрын
Idk, Teddie was annoying, but at least he didn’t try to push his ego on others like Morgana did. Teddie’s antics could be passed off as “that’s just Teddie being Teddie”, and he was actually funny sometimes. Morgana is just an asshole.
@platinum-ky4we8 ай бұрын
Na bro Teddy wasn't that bad
@dennisgoatimer10798 ай бұрын
Teddie isn't that bad he's just a goofball atleast he ain't acting like a dick
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
Lied Badly... @@dennisgoatimer1079
@johnerana64837 ай бұрын
“Keep mah boi’s name outta your mouth!”
@Joey-nc5cf2 ай бұрын
I genuinely love his personality from a writing standpoint. My only real problem with him is that he barely grows after the whole incident. He and ryuji could’ve become super close friends after this and had mutual respect for each other but that didn’t happen. And if they didn’t want ryuji to be the catalyst for morgana’s growth, it could’ve just as easily been haru. But they did neither. He could’ve been a much better character if he actually grew and developed after this incident
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
1st of all, Morgana says "Anyway, of course I'm Male!" which is already a bad start. But to get everything out of the way, this is not a hate comment or anything. I'm just simply providing another perspective from someone that thinks that Morgana was in the right while Ryuji was in the wrong. "Morgana is useless and got what he deserved!" Y'all when Ryuji got caught by Makoto because of his carelessness: 😴😴😴 "Morgana abuses Ryuji!" Y'all when Ryuji calls Morgana useless knowing that they would be dead without him (Escaping Kaneshiro's and Futaba's palace): 😴😴😴 "Morgana is a creep! Morgana doesn't understand humans! Morgana criticizes everything Ryuji does" Y'all when Morgana excessively tells you how many times he can't understand human feelings: 😴😴😴 "Ryuji never uses the phantom thieves name for girls" Y'all during Futaba's training: 😴😴😴 "He's never held accountable!" Y'all when the thieves understand that he doesn't know how humans work: 😴😴😴 "Morgana isn't remorseful towards Ryuji!" Be so fr.... "Morgana is in the Phantom Thieves for selfish reasons!" Y'all when Morgana agrees that they need to reform society: 😴😴😴. Besides if I didn't know my true purpose and I found the key to finding out who I am, dang I would be selfish too. "Ryuji has been with Joker since the start!" Morgana fr lives with Joker gn... "Ryuji was right about Morgana becoming useless!" Y'all when morgana is the only one that can help them through mementos: 😴😴😴. Not to mention became as useful as Ryuji and the others without navigation skills. He can still fight and stuff. He can also make infiltration tools "Ryuji never says anything back!" Y'all basically the whole game : 😴😴😴 "Morgana shouldn't have run away!" Yeah he overreacted but without this, they would have never saved Haru from her fiance. "Morgana never got what he deserved!" Y'all when morgana was about to literally die before Haru saved him: 😴😴😴 "What if he didn't meet Haru!?" You have to remember that Morgana's entire arc and mind is that his sole purpose is to aid the thieves through everything and to be useful to them. Just think of your parents excessively calling you useless with seriousness "Ryuji was standing up for himself!' Y'all while Ryuji was explaining his motive: 😴😴😴 (It was so stupid) "Morgana never grows!" Y'all during his speech before Okumura's boss:😴😴😴 (Although that was Haru's moment and he stole it) "Morgana never took responsibility!" Biased but yall ain't ready for that conversation. The reason for level 8 of his confidant rank up was him taking responsibility and saying that he will try to be useful to all of them. " What about when Ryuji apologizes in the thieves den!" Well first thats Jokers cognition so that doesn't even make sense and isn't valid. Also He know how much Ryuji dodged the fact that he had to apologized to the point where the entire team essentially apologized for him. "Morgana only looks out for himself!" Y'all when he literally risked his life to save the thieves instead of taking Okumura's deal to save himself: 😴😴😴. He ALWAYS is looking out for the thieves "Morgana betrayed everything the thieves stood for!" What....? First of all, He is eager to fix these broken adults and Acknowledging that they are a severe problem. He isn't acting purely out of selfishness not to mention that he talks about how they can correct society's less important threats in mementos. In mementos, the place he can regain his true meaning, he focuses on fixing society before conforming his needs. I don't know about you but that isn't "selfish" to me. Proud Morgana Defender 🐈⬛💪🏾
@DeliciousPancakes-bz2vq8 ай бұрын
FR morgana is an amazing character imo
@scarletthecat14918 ай бұрын
Frfr the joke is he’s a cat he’s literally a cat with human intelligence but he was also born like yesterday and is learning everything for the first time I can’t understand why people have so much beef with a literal baby
@seg1628 ай бұрын
""Morgana never took responsibility!" Biased but yall ain't ready for that conversation." That's not "biased"-- the maker of the video just outright memory holed the entirety of Morgana's Confidant (which is part of the main story) while speculating on what his character arc was supposed to be.
@Berasu8 ай бұрын
It's true, if it wasn't for Morgana, the Phantom Thieves wouldn't exist; he was the first who set the goal of changing hearts, even when the team doubt about it was right or wrong, he was the first who notice Akechi and the "pancakes" flashback. He basically is the spirit of the team, the embodiment of every Phantom Thieve soul.
@rain_therealrei.n8 ай бұрын
i dont hate mona as much as the guy in the video but i do dislike him, and i just want to point out that the thieves den is joker’s cognition but still he knows his friends well enough to know how they’d act, so morgana making fun of ryuji is totally in character. and the team did apologize for him but this was him by himself apologizing and not them. im ready for people to reply to me trying to prove me wrong. i liked mona before but i realized his wrongs and i cant change my mind.
@topfranluis18 ай бұрын
At least it didn’t have Teddie in it
@dra-boys-despair98068 ай бұрын
At least teddie has an actual arc than morgana
@topfranluis18 ай бұрын
@@dra-boys-despair9806 At least Morgana doesn’t hit on grade schoolers
@dra-boys-despair98068 ай бұрын
@@topfranluis1 that’s was just a joke from teddie and also he only “hit on her” once
@seg1628 ай бұрын
@@topfranluis1 Grade scho-- Morgana isn't even _human._ Why you gotta try to cook up reasons to rag on Morgana?
@topfranluis18 ай бұрын
@@dra-boys-despair9806 As if that makes it any better. Are you seriously defending Teddie right now? That’s kinda concerning
@codenamelj8 ай бұрын
Ah c'mon Morgan is not that bad.... Although everything you've said about how they treat ryuji
@1tsjustpasta8 ай бұрын
I hate morgana so much that on my first play through of the game I dated ann at the end just to spite him, ik it dosent do anything but its still worth it imo. Im probaly just biased tho as Ryuji was my second favorite character in the game and the fact that morgana quite litteraly, never leaves your side. My fav character btw is Harus fiancée cause he got to do what I always wanted to do to morgana .
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
Nobody agreed 😬😬
@1tsjustpasta8 ай бұрын
@@DoesntMattertbh im just gonna stop commenting on yt
@someonesaltaccount35397 ай бұрын
@@1tsjustpastaI agree
@Mesut696 ай бұрын
@@DoesntMattertbhbro is a full time Morgana Defender😭😭
@DoesntMattertbh6 ай бұрын
@@Mesut69 Boredom can do many things to you
@seg1628 ай бұрын
In a video about Morgana's character and how he isn't ever held accountable, you supposed what his character arc was meant to be without talking about his _auto-progress Confidant,_ wherein he literally apologizes to the Phantom Thieves after the Okumura palace, and wherein it's demonstrated that he has a massive inferiority complex that led him to falling away from the group to try to prove himself for their sake. Each of the Phantom Thieves also has their own reason for being a Phantom Thief, and it so happens that their goals coalesce into something common-- Morgana also explained that he thought he also needed his own reason in the course of his apology. Your AoT preamble is similarly poor. In the interest of brevity: there was an entire sequence where everyone's moral transgressions/failures/shortcomings were aired out, and the start of that sequence demonstrated and talked about the futility of arguing about how one transgression was in retaliation for another-- especially on a civilizational level-- because it would eventually lead to the two "sides" going back and forth about how they did X atrocity because of some prior Y atrocity, until they find themselves talking about things that they were never there to even suffer through, committed by people they're not even familiar with. Jean doesn't apologize to Falco for nearly exploding him in the Liberio raid, Connie doesn't apologize for nearly feeding Falco to his mother, and none of the Survey Corps apologizes to Annie for raiding her home zone and endangering the only person in the world she cares about up to the point of that talk. Their own lack of righteousness aside (Armin, especially, has always been too self-critical to think of himself as a "good person"), getting hung up on how they wronged each other would be a distraction from accomplishing their common goal (which is also why the campfire talk was good, in regards to that purpose).
@dennisgoatimer10798 ай бұрын
He apoloises for his inferiority complex to the team yes but not for his constant nitpicking to Ryuji from day one he was nitpicking at Ryuji and this is when he was the expert in Kamoshida's palace so you can't say he had a inferiority complex then he wanted to use Akira and Ryuji for his own personal gain
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
@@dennisgoatimer1079 Personal Gain? You mean when he proposed to them that they could fix lesser threats in mementos? You mean when he teaches them all about thievery? You mean when he helped them traverse the palace all he could?
@dennisgoatimer10798 ай бұрын
@@DoesntMattertbh Yes all to get his memories back he couldn't care less about the victims of Kamoshida's antics or the threats in Mementos. Yes he did help the others in their goal but only as it aligned with his goal. Remember he thought that Mementos held the key to his memories and his human form. Morgana is a scumbag for most of the game in Strikers he's better but in Royal and Vanilla he's just a dick. Ryuji never got the apology he deserves justice for Ryuji.
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
@@dennisgoatimer1079 Lied badly... He very much so cared about Shiho, Ryuji, and Ann. You are forgetting that Morgana was always helpful to the phantom thieves from making infiltration tools for them all the way to teaching them how to be a phantom thief. He let them decide on the target and agreed with them. In mementos, he wasn't always trying to get to the end all at once. He also reminded Joker to go to the hideout to discuss the target when he recieved a request. It's quite unfortunate that you believe that just because their goals aligned with his own that he was in the phantom thieves for that reason only. He wanted to reform society just as much as them. Not to mention that if I didn't know who I was and could find the key to figuring it out, I would be a lot more selfish than Morgana and you would too.
@seg1628 ай бұрын
@@dennisgoatimer1079 I didn't say that he "apologizes for his inferiority complex"-- he acknowledges his inferiority complex in the process of explaining the root of his actions, and he apologizes for troubling them with said actions, which resulted from his inferiority complex. His goals were formulated because he wanted to be all the other members of the group who had their own goals when becoming Phantom Thieves, and it's after his apology that he instead chooses to adopt the _common goal_ of the group as his motivation. These are all things that are spelt out in the unmissable and concurrent-with-the-main-story Confidant that the maker of this video doesn't even remotely acknowledge.
@alienjesus7968 ай бұрын
Since all the comments are politely (and unpolitely) disagreeing I wanna chime in with also hating Morgana. Anime loves characters that just make annoying noises and creep on female characters and I lose more tolerance for them again and again. Morgana's "depth" is so lacking compared to the other characters. And I think the writers rely on him being a cute cat for the player to sympathise with him, instead of writing a character who isn't an absolute dick lol. I feel like if he was a human character he'd get a lot more hate, but we automatically give mascot characters a pass
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
based on this comment, I assume that you have not played the game nor watched the videos of the game. You probably fell asleep while watching the anime or something. Reducing morgana to "a character that makes noises and creeps on women" is unacceptable. He is the main reason that the phantom thieves exist. He is the one that saved Joker from ruin. Better yet, Joker and Ryuji would have died in Kamoshidas palace without them. Morgana is justified in all of his feelings towards Ryuji. He calls out his carelessness and his recklessness. Sure, he may be a bit harsh to him but you are acting like he isn't harsh back. The fact that you guys seem to forget this is quite unfortuante.
@zackrodriguez24067 ай бұрын
Morgana simping hard gets pretty annoying, same reason why teddie annoys me as well. They both had
@Lemon-hl7st28 күн бұрын
i like Morgana :3
@Zkeleton9695 ай бұрын
You obviously didn’t play persona 4.
@CuteRedPanda644 ай бұрын
Nah, Teddie is at least decent.
@ciscokid12143 ай бұрын
Atleast teddie isn't with you 24/7 like morgana @@CuteRedPanda64
@ancillarity8 ай бұрын
Did you play the game in Japanese? The way Morgana talks, and his verbal tick in particular, defines his character archetype. He is supposed to sound kind of rude, especialy with his extremely liberal use of imperatives in his speech that would be unheard of in the real Japan. When the Japanese audience hears a character talking like that, they will assume this is how this character should behave - such as making fun of Ryuji. All in all though, Morgana is not really evil or anything like that, he is a funny, sassy character who means well at the end. But I do agree that Kawagami Sadayo is a bad character. In fact I found her entire confidant illogical, so much so that it makes it hard for me to take the entire story of Persona 5 seriously.
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
REAL
@fieryapple70208 ай бұрын
Yes! Especially about Kawakami, dear god, I hated her arc. And the fact she's a teacher having a romance with her underage student
@DeliciousPancakes-bz2vq8 ай бұрын
@@fieryapple7020 FOR REALLL!! i dont understand how people can be ok with kawakami when shes literally engaging in an ILLEGAL relationship with her student.. and i dont wanna get any replies on the legal age of consent in japan, the fact that kawakami can date joker as a whole is still creepy to me..
@seg1628 ай бұрын
@@DeliciousPancakes-bz2vq "FOR REALLL!! i dont understand how people can be ok with kawakami when shes literally engaging in an ILLEGAL relationship with her student.. " Akechi "literally" murders people and you still like him enough to make him your PFP.
@1tsjustpasta8 ай бұрын
@@fieryapple7020 in the words of a great man "thats the best part"
@BlazeNextGen8 ай бұрын
Morgana has never been my favorite character honestly. I just...don´t like to use him but how would you compare Morgana in the other games he is with the other phantom thieves? Example Persona 5 Strikers and how would you compare the writing about him there compared to P5/P5R?
@Tommylmao8 ай бұрын
I haven’t played Strikers actually, but I think that’d definitely be an interesting topic of discussion!
@BlazeNextGen8 ай бұрын
you should play it, the story improves some of the characters. Not sure about Morgana though because I feel like he doesn´t actually change to much but maybe that´s just me.
@JP_Loco_935 ай бұрын
While I do agree Morgana was mostly in the wrong in Chapter 5, I don't think he ever crosses a line, and everytime Morgana does call out Ryuji on his stupidity, it's usually justified, Ryuji often escalates every situation from bad to worse because he lashes out or can't keep his big mouth shut, and unlike Morgana, Ryuji isn't having an existential crisis, so I can see being called 'useless' as being far more hurtful for him then Ryuji just being called 'stupid', and Morgana not knowing who he is could be seen as being a reason he tends to lash out, specifically on Rjuji. And while this doesn't justify what Morgana says to Ryuji, again Morgana is still in the wrong, and I do think he and Ryuji should have both apologized, cause when you get down to it, you can definitely tell that Ryuji & Morgana are indeed friends who enjoy ripping on each other. Though I do find it a bit ironic that people have a problem with Morgana calling out Ryuji for being 'stupid' or Ryuji calling Morgana 'useless' but not a word is spoken about Yousuke & Teddie picking on Kanji for being 'stupid' AND teasing him about his sexuality OR how cruel Yousuke tends to be toward Teddie. Yousuke knows how much him teasing Kanji about his sexuality affects him, Chie even calls him out on it, and Yousuke treated Teddie poorly since day one, though granted the difference here between Yousuke & Morgana here, is that Yousuke faces karma for the things he says and does, compared to Morgana who doesn't, but I still find it oddly hypocrital that people can so easily criticise Morgana for how he treated Ryuji but not Yousuke and how he treated Kanji & Teddie. Keep in mind I love Ryiji & Morgana's dynamic just as I love Yousuke, Kanji & Teddie's dynamic, as I don't think there's anything wrong a bit of teasing among friends, and Persona 5 would be pretty boring if every character got along perfect, every group has those two characters who tend to squabble and not always see eye-to-eye.
@fieryapple70208 ай бұрын
Now this was completely unfair and biased.
@dennisgoatimer10798 ай бұрын
Everyone's opinion has a bias attached to it but its completely justified Morgana is a dick to Ryuji for no reason and it's not just friendly Ryuji barely knew him before Morgana began to nitpick at every action he did. Morgana is a bully simple as.
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
@@dennisgoatimer1079 Lemme clear you rq. Ryuji was just as a horrible person as Morgana was to him. There is no way you think that Ryuji was innocent in all of this. You act like Ryuji doesn't snap back at Morgana at all. Basically since the start, Ryuji was roughhousing with Morgana with him shoving Morgana into jokers bag at every chance he got. It is obvious that Morgana would resent Ryuji for this. You people always seem to forget that Morgana also encourages Ryuji as much as the other thieves. It's not like he says "Lets do this except for you Ryuji". Ryuji has never encouraged Morgana except for that one time after his speech in Okumura's palace.
@dennisgoatimer10798 ай бұрын
@@DoesntMattertbh He wasn't horrible and Morgana had to be shove back into the bag as you can't just have a cat in a school. Ryuji only snaps back (not that often only what the hell type of responses typically) he doesn't instigate it at all
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
@@dennisgoatimer1079 The fact that all of the phantom thieves continuosly clown on him should tell you a lot. It's also the fact that Morgana doesn't understand human thoughts that yall seem to forget. Not to mention that Ryuji was gonna let Morgana die in Kamoshida's palace and Okumura's palace. Ryuji was also continously horrible to Morgana during the Kamoshida arc. Yet yall seem to disregard this
@dennisgoatimer10798 ай бұрын
@@DoesntMattertbh Ryuji wasn't horrible to Morgana at all the Thieves clown on him about as he goes I'm a human and all that jazz. It's funny nothing serious. Morgana understands human thoughts his whole premise is to understand human thoughts to guide the protagonist to their goal. He was created for that purpose and despite being fresh he felt human for a reason
@dwayblauderdale10396 ай бұрын
Wow, I now hate Morgana lmao
@maestrosyrex8 ай бұрын
Persona games have that 1 character that is basically the laughing stock, or the annoying one, as an example, Junpei quirky character in persona 3, Teddie in persona 4 being an absolute gigachad but also super annoying, even after it becomes sudo-human, and then Morgana in persona 5. What made Junpei so loved, and Teddie such an impressionable character, is that they are quirky, but they are accepted as such, and the memes are to laugh with them, not at them. Morgana on the other hand, is a gate keeper, and all the memes morgana is known for are usually because his character is flawed, he's needlessly annoying, super rude to other characters, especially Ryuji, and his entire shtick is being a cat who believes that is a human... I don't hate her for that, i hate morgana because she gatekeeps one of my favorite characters, Haru, from her own palace. Morgana is a character that if it didn't exist, the plot would proceed as normal, and i to say, i love persona 5's story, but "Morgana was a creation of Igor to aid the Trickster fight Yaldaboth" was perhaps the worst character writing in a persona game, no Shin Megami Tensei Game. It also doesn't help that his role in game, is a mess, because in both Persona 3 and Persona 4, Yukari and Yukiko, are 2 extremely likable female characters, who are integral to the plot, Morgana is just there... call me a fan-service apologetic, but i feel like that helped in solidify the hatred, because you had 2 great characters being replaced by a Talking Cat. With all that said, i disagree with you. Persona 5 is such a banger of a game, from Akechi vs Ren Rivalry, to Vengeance for Ren, everyone's problems being solved, ending with Yaldaboth vs Satanael, God vs Devil, Fool vs World, the entire plot was godlike and although Morgana's existence ruins it a lot, it doesn't outweigh the good things. And whoever thinks Morgana isn't that bad, please go play Persona 3 and Persona 4, and then let me know if ANY of the characters are as annoying as him. Good Christmas, and have a Great 2024
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
I was gonna prove you wrong but you misgendered a cat so I don't think you even played the game. Probably thought the anime was enough,
@fieryapple70208 ай бұрын
I played p3 and p4, Morgana is good. Teddie is much worse
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
Actually im gonna say something cause no way you thought you ate this up. so 1st, morgana is a male so you probably watched the anime only and called it a day. "The plot would proceed as normal without him" Well they wouldn't even make it out of kamoshida's palace alive without morgana so theres that. Morgana also formed the phantom thieves which is another thing. And mementos would be a forever foreign topic without Morgana. You brought up how there are other characters from the previous games that are "better" than morgana. Even without opinions, that makes 0 sense. Those characters are not being replaced by Morgana by HIS self. There are other female characters in the game but clearly your mind is still in development so I'll let that slide. You mentioned how his purpose in the game was worthless. This basically means that the phantom thieves are worthless, mementos is worthless, and ultimately over 85% of the hardships and developments in the game are obsolete. Unfortunately this comes from someone who has played the game more than a few times rather than someone who fell asleep watching the anime because even if you watched the anime through to the end, there would be concisely no way that you think that Morgana is a worthless character. Him being "needlessly annoying' makes no sense because you people always seem to forget that Morgana doesn't understand humans. Obviously some of the things that he does is gonna come off as "slightly aggrivating". However, you are failing to take into account that Morgana is the only reason you are able to play past the first palace because AKIRA and Ryuji were completely toast inside of the palace. They would definetly run into shadows and die. There is a reason they came to a dead end in the first place. All in all, this was quite the lame attempt at calling morgana a deadweight oxygen stealer. At least play the game or better yet, watch it on KZfaq. It's free and all. Before you call yourself a "fan of the game" or a "reviewer of the game" or anything like that, please make it past the character analysis videos. I can also tell you have not played any of the other games because some of the things you just called out Morgana for, Teddie has done 10x worse (hitting on nanako for example). As someone who played persona 3 + the answer and persona 4 golden, I am quite ashamed to see that someone else who probably only saw the first and last dungeon and called it a day, come and say that a character that they can't even get the gender right for, is annoying and useless to the plot.
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
@@fieryapple7020 Exactly ‼
@zackrodriguez24067 ай бұрын
Teddie, Morgana and Ken are all annoying characters for me. A lot of them be simping hard and just get annoying but yeah every game has at least 1 bad character
@spiv8 ай бұрын
i dont get where the backlash of this take is coming from, i agree. that whole part with morgana was so contrived and forced. ryuji acts as he always does by getting defensive and hot headed, and he's proven to say dumb stuff out loud that he shouldnt have. he makes sense in the arc, but morgana who is going through this depression about their role in the group, despite having multiple times to talk to joker about it (seriously, they tease him opening up like 3 times) decides instead to throw a fit and leave. they could have made morgana wander the streets alone because of how lonely and depressed they felt, which could have lead to being able to bond with futaba on how crippling it can be. but no, morgana recruits haru to straight up undermine the phantom thieves work, as if in retaliation for a transgression no one on the team committed. i love the game, but that whole part is why i cant call the game perfect. and for anyone in the comments saying in the japanese version, morgana is supposed to be rude and that's their personality, then thats a bad personality. it doesnt excuse their actions.
@DoesntMattertbh8 ай бұрын
The backlash is valid while this is invalid and a horrible mess up. Your argument that "its ryujis character so its excused" is a rather unfortunately stupid consensus. He got caught by Makoto because of his carelessness and was called out for it. Him always acting like that should be a sign on why its justified for morgana to call him out for it. As for him not opening up to Joker about his depression and insecurities, this told me that you probably didn't play the game or at least sped through his confidant. I know you never even touched the game because you intend on calling Morgana by they/them pronouns. Morgana fr said that he is a male but seeing how you didn't know this makes me doubt your intelligence on the matter. By the by the fact that you misunderstood the entire arc is unfortunate. Ryuji called morgana useless is inexcusable because Morgana not only saved his life in Kamoshida's palace, but he also helped the traverse mementos and the first 4 palaces. So of course Ryuji Calling Morgana useless would agitate him a bit more than normal. How unfortunate that people like you call themselves part of the fandom.
@ocara59068 ай бұрын
yep 1k views 50 likes checks out
@Tommylmao8 ай бұрын
Not sure I understand the implication of this, 1:20 like to view ratio is completely normal
@Romalian7 ай бұрын
It's funny you say this because I honestly thought Ryuji was what was wrong with Persona 5. I just could not stand him.
@skel-l78253 ай бұрын
Coming back to this video, wow, this really is just a terrible video. It's so one-sided and biassed, and refuse to care about what Morgana feels because "annoying". Claiming Morgana wasn't held accountable for his actions or that he only left the group because Ryuji called him useless, and also just refusing to see Ryuji as being in the wrong whatsoever and painting him as nothing but a victim of Morgana's "abuse." Just...terrible. I dread a Kawakami video where you cherry-pick information again and somehow try to paint her as somehow worse than the other adult girls you can romance, or saying she's basically just female Kamoshida (I don't think the romance is right, for the record, but saying she's just as bad as Kamoshida when she isn't the one coming on to Joker or is trying to blackmail or groom him, unlike Kamoshida, who did this to Ann, is disengenuous).
@radialmachinery99475 ай бұрын
Nice clickbait
@samoth5161Ай бұрын
Opens the video with a completely shit and nonsensical take on Aot, yeah dont think the media literacy is there
@EphyMusicOfficial6 ай бұрын
Bro you completely misunderstood the dynamic, this video is actually upsetting, lol.
@IHitTheWater7 ай бұрын
Did bro not do Morgana's auto advancing confidant or something, shitty video provide both sides of the argument next time.
@alanbilton25472 ай бұрын
Morgana is mint, i cried when he disappeared near the end. Yuuske was more unforgivable for being totally creepy towards ann and never apologises, everyone just moves on. Do not agree with your analysis
@tripppleccc547 ай бұрын
I hat thi scat
@eugene_0916 ай бұрын
if we complete delete okumura's palace, it would be a better videogame😭😭
@Loner0986 ай бұрын
Wouldn't that mean we'd never meet Haru?
@bingbong78075 ай бұрын
@@Loner098that would be fine
@skel-l78255 ай бұрын
One character doesn't ruin a whole story, bro, relax. And Morgana was held accountable