Persona 5's VILLAINS are REAL (Japanese Context of each Palace Ruler)

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LadyVirgilia

LadyVirgilia

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@LadyVirgilia
@LadyVirgilia Жыл бұрын
I forgot to mention in the video, but if you want to see how Madarame in particular really shows what filial piety looks like when taken to the extreme, I recommend checking out my Yusuke video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Zp2RZ8d3yLquh3U.html Also just want to make a comment on the Shido section, it was so easy to start rabbit-holing for me here lol. I feel like unlike most of the other topics I've covered in the past, even extensive ones like Akechi, there's just an ever-increasing amount of related things I felt I could comment on when it comes to what Shido represents. Given how extensive Abe's PM-ship has been, there's just so much... At one point his section was already ~4x longer than the rest, so I had to cut it down to only the most relevant stuff. Also thought it was worth addressing the elephant in the room: to everyone who has seen parallels to Trump and other alt-right figures/movements that have cropped up all over the world in the later 2010s, the big thing that separates Abe from them is that, he wasn't some outsider or populist and/or fringe candidate. He and his party were legitimately the establishment in Japan's government for decades. The entire Diet has *always* contained a significant amount of members who were ultra-nationalist revisionists. finally I rarely mention this, but my first couple years of college I was double-majoring in international affairs and social work-- it was only until after I came down with transverse myelitis that I gave up one since it was too much with my health issues. I went social work since it encompasses pretty much all the broad topics and issues that are of interest to me,, and I'm happy I was still able to finish with concentrations in international work (and geriatric population but that's neither here nor there lol). All of this to say, these topics are of much importance to me, so I'm so glad to finally talk about all the Palace rulers, but *especially* the inspiration for Shido! __________________________________________________ ~NON-PERSONA MUSIC I USED by part and in chronological order~ Against All Odds (Inazuma Vers.)- Genshin Impact, Past Light (Calm vers.)- Fire Emblem Fates Kamoshida: Demon's Yell- Trails to Azure Madarame: Schwarz Auction- Trails from Zero Kaneshiro: Killing Bear- Trails from Zero Okumura: Confronting Reality- Trails from Zero, Anti-Hero (both vers.)- P5 Strikers Shido: Beyond the Paradise of Lies- Trails to Azure ____________________________________________________ 🎮TWITCH: www.twitch.tv/ladyvirgilia 🐤TWITTER: @VirgiliaLady twitter.com/VirgiliaLady 🌟PATREON: www.patreon.com/LadyVirgilia
@joshuagabrielcatindig7607
@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 Жыл бұрын
I'll be waiting for the Rise video. Not only because she best girl, but I follow an industry close to her. Talking ofc about vtubers, Hololive in particular.
@mahiru20ten
@mahiru20ten Жыл бұрын
Where can we find anything about Sae and Wakaba? Are they on the Makoto and Futaba videos?
@Anonymous-bk9xy
@Anonymous-bk9xy Жыл бұрын
This game is just a big "FNAF will become real in 5 seconds, RUN" type scenaio.
@ultragamer4465
@ultragamer4465 Жыл бұрын
Can we get much higher~ so high~
@razr7r531
@razr7r531 Жыл бұрын
you talk slow, i set the playback speed 1.25 to make you sound normal
@jadaw644
@jadaw644 Жыл бұрын
A friend of mine pointed out the reason Americans and Japanese like to idolize each other's cultures is because of our similarities and differences. We're just similar enough, even in the bad ways, to find familiarity, but just different enough to intrigue each other, thus enticing people to visit.
@Fluffkitscripts
@Fluffkitscripts Жыл бұрын
Propaganda is an export. It’s easy for idiots in America to gulp down nationalist propaganda that makes Japan look like a paradise where all their politics magically worked.
@KuariThunderclaw
@KuariThunderclaw Жыл бұрын
Your friend isn't wrong. My initial interest came from how so many things I enjoy and took comfort in as a child came from Japan, particularly a lot of the social issues some of them brought up. Then as I learned more the differences and similarities both intrigued me, but also the contrast of how the US takes the individuality mantra to the detriment of the whole while Japan takes collectivism to the detriment of the individual and there's a part of me that wonders if something better can be found by looking at both. It's a big part of why I wanted to go to Japan for a year or two for study abroad, specifically somewhere outside of Tokyo, to get a greater understanding of the culture more directly, but well.. unfortunately the year I was going to go was when covid hit.
@hcook1023
@hcook1023 Жыл бұрын
That was actually an early problem with anime and manga in the US. It was similar enough to cartoons and comics many things were overlooked or even unnoticed that would have been very wrong for American audiences. For instance in the fan service and adult themes were pretty common to hear when I was a young kid and desensitized me to them later, but I know if my mom or grandparents actually bothered to watch some they for I'd me from watching cartoon network again lol, however they were different and inappropriate enough most knew not to reenact them like flipping a girl's skirt because it would be funny to see her embarrassed. However it was also because of the more grown up nature of some shows that they were utterly captivating with a different sense of appropriate humor and level of violence
@DarkFrozenDepths
@DarkFrozenDepths 5 ай бұрын
you can compare the two countries to a pair of coinflips in a sense. there's so much to where it's like flipping the same side twice in a row, or flipping opposite sides in the same 2 flips
@ChimeraLotietheBunny
@ChimeraLotietheBunny 4 ай бұрын
Just golly
@samtate5357
@samtate5357 Жыл бұрын
Kamoshida was always the scariest villain for me. I've never encountered a mob boss or a plagiarizing artist in the real world, but more than half of my high school teachers had at least one of Kamoshida's vices, whether it's sexually assaulting the girls, physically beating the guys, or just detaining/suspending/expelling students because they don't like them. The only way to deal with those teachers was the Gray Rock Method.
@silversonome5360
@silversonome5360 Жыл бұрын
Sorry, I was about to joke about "Gray Rock Method" reminding me of RTGame's "brick 'em" solution to any problem, but then I actually read that it is a genuine psychological response. I apologize for my first reaction being making fun of the situation
@butterflydreamer9649
@butterflydreamer9649 Жыл бұрын
In a part of this video, they said that Japanese teachers sometimes waterboard kids as punishment? Like what??? That’s a war crime, and somehow acceptable in schools? God, I’m feeling really bad for any kids in japan who go through teachers like this
@F1areon
@F1areon Жыл бұрын
@@silversonome5360 I mean... the VICTIMS in that situation probably almost certainly would brick their perpetrators if they could, tbh :V
@georgemeyers7172
@georgemeyers7172 Жыл бұрын
The Gray Rock Method? What's that?
@samtate5357
@samtate5357 Жыл бұрын
@@georgemeyers7172 It's when you deliberately make yourself as boring to the narcissist as a gray rock, so that the narcissist/psychopath hopefully loses interest in you and leaves you alone.
@HeavySighSA
@HeavySighSA Жыл бұрын
Your whole video series really makes Igor's disclaimer at the start of Persona 5 much, much funnier.
@mystery8820
@mystery8820 Жыл бұрын
Except the “fiction” disclaimer played a part in the how the PTs “lost” the game to that Fake Igor.
@jomaq9233
@jomaq9233 Жыл бұрын
“Hahaha Persona 5 fans cringe and keep shoving Persona 5 references into real life when the game said that it’s just a work of fiction haha go play an actual SMT game”
@peronafanman
@peronafanman Жыл бұрын
@@jomaq9233 Tbf, Persona fans inserting persona references into actual issues is fucking cringe.
@quazar3640
@quazar3640 Жыл бұрын
​@@jomaq9233 sure is annoying when i want to enjoy a game but can't because the fanbase is so annoying. Worse than the Jojo guys used to be I swear
@plosonen
@plosonen Жыл бұрын
​​@@quazar3640've literally never understood this point of view. You can enjoy things as an individual too. I love Undertale and Deltarune to death for example even if those fanbases are quite annoying. I love Jojo even though it has the same issue. It's not like you have to interract with the fandom to enjoy stuff. This of course applies to Persona as well, one of my favorite game series ever even if the fandom can be incredibly cringe. I just don't give a shit and enjoy the games by myself and my friends who also love it.
@UKfan879
@UKfan879 Жыл бұрын
Lived in Japan for 3 years doing English teaching. I caught some students cheating on a test and passed that information on to my superior and she asked me "why did YOU let them cheat?" Like it was my fault that I didn't stop it from happening in the first place. From then on out I just didn't want to report any cheating and just turned a blind eye to it because I knew I'd only risk getting reprimanded for it. I had first hand experience on how the system can force you to just say, "shouganai" I also heard 2nd hand stories of people trying to report sexual abuse to children in elementary schools / daycares and being met with fierce resistance. It's a very sad situation.
@MxPokirby
@MxPokirby Жыл бұрын
I mean, it's not that hard to just not be a narc.
@Andyatl2002
@Andyatl2002 Жыл бұрын
@@MxPokirby, dude what will make them stop cheating when they grow will they steal someone’s work then because that’s what they will be used to doing
@wea69420
@wea69420 Жыл бұрын
@@Andyatl2002 the desire to cheat comes from an educational system that values scores more than actual learning. If it weren't the case, there would be no incentive to do it. The response that op got was likely a product of the absolutism with which hierarchies are seen over there. They were the authority figure in that class and thus everything that happens is either his fault or his accomplishment.
@robertmandain5791
@robertmandain5791 Жыл бұрын
Sexual abuse = Abuse = rape, sexual assault, molestation
@guilhermecardoso2365
@guilhermecardoso2365 Жыл бұрын
i mean, why tattle on them? Just reprimand them instead, this isn't a cultural difference, you're just a narc.
@user-kx6vj4fg7l
@user-kx6vj4fg7l Жыл бұрын
While I was replaying P5R on PC, I had noticed how often Madarame used the excuse of Yusuke "owing his life" to him. So I think with Madarame that whole point against filial piety is especially emphasized, as in, "just because a person raised you doesn't give them the right to abuse you"
@BoostedMonkey05
@BoostedMonkey05 11 ай бұрын
It's a very common thing in asian culture. The concept of inherent or internal debt. In tagalog we call it "Utang na loob" and it is a card that parents play against their children.
@hershiebeats
@hershiebeats 4 ай бұрын
Based
@avourrito1819
@avourrito1819 4 ай бұрын
This mentality is also abused more if it can be tied to religion. Respect your elders and your parents above everything even you
@TogashiJack
@TogashiJack Жыл бұрын
I think that even without the Japanese societal context that the themes resonate with so many people the world over just illustrates that feelings of helplessness and frustration with existing power structures is a global phenomenon.
@elpsykoongro5379
@elpsykoongro5379 Жыл бұрын
@Caleb OKAY it's mainly because here in the west we have liberalism which is anti Catholic in nature
@Bob-bs9ok
@Bob-bs9ok Жыл бұрын
Most of the systems causing the problems in Japan are global developments and most of the rest have issues close enough
@wolfetteplays8894
@wolfetteplays8894 Жыл бұрын
Truth
@wolfetteplays8894
@wolfetteplays8894 Жыл бұрын
@Caleb OKAY that’s an absurd oversimplification though. Lower-middle class, upper-middle class, and the ruling class also exist more prominently in some cultures. Also, in universe within 1984, that could easily just be INGSOC propaganda, so probably best to take it with a grain of salt from the meta & in-universe perspective
@silverhawkscape2677
@silverhawkscape2677 Жыл бұрын
Universal Theme trump Representation.
@raulrojas9253
@raulrojas9253 Жыл бұрын
Shido is the most real villain here, we have tons of Shido in Latin America. so people that call him a "Cartoon villain" Are either dumb or are just thinking about his Shadow which is indeed a more exaggerated ver of the real Shido but that's how he sees himself.
@joshuagabrielcatindig7607
@joshuagabrielcatindig7607 Жыл бұрын
I did hear that the inspiration for Shido is why P5 has 20xx as the year, instead of the more realistic 2009-2010 for Persona 3, 2011-2012 for Persona 4.
@jamilgonzaga7081
@jamilgonzaga7081 Жыл бұрын
It's 2015-2016 as for the canon date
@NN010
@NN010 Жыл бұрын
@@jamilgonzaga7081 I thought I’d heard that the calendar dates imply the game to be set in 2016-2017?
@jamilgonzaga7081
@jamilgonzaga7081 Жыл бұрын
@@NN010 oh right, I totally forgot, that's my bad
@spudsbuchlaw
@spudsbuchlaw Жыл бұрын
@@jamilgonzaga7081 Its 2016-17. And 17 for P5S
@boyscout244
@boyscout244 Жыл бұрын
Is it not because they play final destination fox only?
@59hawks
@59hawks Жыл бұрын
When people call persona 5 villlians cartoonishly evil, I can only think of the fact cartoonishly evil people do in fact exist. When I look at the villains I definitely did think they were generalized generic problems. However now that I know that there are real life cases these are based off of, I can't help but gain appreciation for the game
@rayvenkman2087
@rayvenkman2087 Жыл бұрын
I do think the other villains after Kamoshida could have done more with having the direct effects of their crimes be shown like Madarame’s plagiarism which could have been realised more by showing a former student of his’ living in destitute similar to how certain figures in the comic industry like the creators of Superman were effectively penniless in their 60’s until the late 1970’s with the leadup of Superman The Movie where the public became aware of their situation thanks to Dennis O’Neil and Neal Adams bringing light to the still prevalent problem creators’ lack of ownership of their own creations under the legal ownership of the comic publishers.
@DanzoLovesEyes
@DanzoLovesEyes Жыл бұрын
@@rayvenkman2087 one of the hobos in shibuya was Madarame's pupil.
@brute6896
@brute6896 10 ай бұрын
in Australia, a guy began burning down the warehouses of his competition to put them out of business, what type of business was it? Bouncy castle rentals, he did it so he would be the BEST bouncy castle company in all of Australia because all the other ones lost all of their inventory from fire
@naproupi
@naproupi 9 ай бұрын
@@rayvenkman2087 The fact that the effect of their crime are incidious and hidden from the general public is kind of the point tho. Japanese society cares a lot about visible curruption and criminality but tend to turn a blind eye on the hidden one because it doesn't "distrupt order"
@rayvenkman2087
@rayvenkman2087 9 ай бұрын
@naproupi Still. Wouldn’t hurt for the writers to show more of the effect on the people around them even if it's not much.
@spudsbuchlaw
@spudsbuchlaw Жыл бұрын
Honestly, people saying "Persona 5 villains are too cartoonishly evil" makes me think they're living in the So Happy World, because holy shit are they so wrong
@paulchapman8023
@paulchapman8023 Жыл бұрын
“Cartoonishly evil” villains are exaggerated, but exaggeration is the whole point of satire. And I’d say Persona 5 is nothing if not satirical, in the best sense of the word.
@spudsbuchlaw
@spudsbuchlaw Жыл бұрын
@@paulchapman8023 Cartoonishly evil, as used by people critiquing Persona 5, meaning 'These villains are SOOO overly evil that they'd never _actually_ exist in the real world.' In some regards, as to how their mannerisms are, particularly in their palaces, I can agree with that. But when it comes to their crimes, often the point of critique, they are bang on, if not Evil ENOUGH. People complaining about how unrealistic the villains are, aren't complaining that the satire of it is too exaggerative, they're claiming they can't believe these people exist in the real world, because as far as they see, people like these don't exist. That's the problem: they do, people just don't know about them. THATS my problem. (With the exception of Igor, Maruki, and kinda Shido) Also, Satire need not exaggerate, Exaggeration is but one tool of satire to reflect onto its audience what it is trying to say. Simplifying portraying reality from another perspective, as P5 does, is another way.
@espresseaux
@espresseaux Жыл бұрын
To me it's not cartoonist, but metaphorical. In the Metaverse, humanity's cognition's are given stylized form as spirits and minor deities, thus are peoples' thoughts also given stylized form.
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144 2 ай бұрын
it feels like I met some of these villians irl. Or. At least heard of/ met they're white/ English speaking doppelgangers
@soraphiets6918
@soraphiets6918 2 күн бұрын
Those who have never seen any hardship and/or have never had their livelihoods threatened will likely never find realise the truth. Birds of paradise I call them... Akin to brave new world
@notmyname213
@notmyname213 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Shido was not-so-subtly (at least to the Japanese) based on the ultra nationalist prime minister Shinzo Abe is wild. Especially with Abe having been assassinated just this year by a former military serviceman and ex member of the Unification Church (which many people consider a cult). Sometimes truth really is stranger than fiction.
@frankieseward8667
@frankieseward8667 Жыл бұрын
You should check out his grandfather. Yikes!
@ZKP314
@ZKP314 Жыл бұрын
His grandfather was infinitely worse-the guy was the “Economic Minister” of Manchuria during the IJA’s reign.
@F1areon
@F1areon Жыл бұрын
IIRC a lot of the stuff in Maruki's Palace (plus his Metaverse outfit) takes cues from Happy Science, which is ALSO a cult primarily based in Japan.
@stupidanon5941
@stupidanon5941 Жыл бұрын
Which is kind of crazy when you consider that Shinzo Abe was no where near the monster that Shido was.
@TheAzureNightmare
@TheAzureNightmare Жыл бұрын
He looked more like Hideki Tojo to me. The most Slappable of Japs. Naturally, Morgana should play his bald head like Bongos.
@UniGya
@UniGya Жыл бұрын
I’ve never understood the claim some people make that Persona 5’s villains were overly evil to a cartoonish degree when the only unrealistic part, in my opinion, is simply that Shido was somehow connected to EVERYTHING. Sexual predator teachers are real problems and plenty of real stories show that staff will turn a blind eye if they get results. Madarame’s specific acts of plagiarism might not be prevalent but abusive parents who take advantage of their children for personal gain is all too common. Kaneshiro’s blackmail scheme is an actual racket done in Japan. Okumura is literally just a CEO, they all think like him. Sae’s fabrication of evidence to get convictions might be a massive problem in Japan but int happens plenty all over the world. Shido, minus how he randomly had connections to a specific high school for no real reason, is just a story of how almost every fascist dictator came to power. They’re all very real threats to society
@That_One_Guy-.
@That_One_Guy-. Жыл бұрын
It also doesn´t help that people seem to forget that we mostly interact with their shadows, which by their very nature come across as "cartoony" due to being just very specific aspect of the person.
@rayvenkman2087
@rayvenkman2087 Жыл бұрын
Because unlike Kamoshida, we don’t get to realise the full extent of their crimes in the real world and how they actually affect others?
@paulchapman8023
@paulchapman8023 10 ай бұрын
Shido probably had connections to every high school in Japan, or at least as many as he could connect to. Any aspiring dictator knows that the most effective way to get and keep power is to influence the youth.
@niftyskyblue
@niftyskyblue 7 ай бұрын
While I agree with most of what you’re saying here, I would like to point out that Shido actually _didn’t_ have connections to Shujin. Kamoshida was the only Palace Ruler who had no connection to the conspiracy
@UniGya
@UniGya 7 ай бұрын
@@niftyskyblue he was connected to the principal
@jackflynn412
@jackflynn412 Жыл бұрын
You do get a lot more out of it with Japanese context, but I think the messages of the game can be applied to many other cultures which is why Persona 5 is so popular overseas. Everyone has dealt with abusive authority figures in their life, and many people don't stand up to it. The theme of rebelling against abuse and corruption is something that can resonate with anyone who wants the world to be better. It was very interesting seeing all the possible direct inspirations behind the palace rulers tho.
@n8pls543
@n8pls543 Жыл бұрын
There's a tendency to assume that society in other countries is just different, when we're all just humans doing human things. People get pressured by authorities to not say anything in any country, either out of fear of retaliation, or fear that nobody will stand up for them. People see the defined concept of filial piety and assume it's only a thing in the East, when you probably know plenty of people with abusive family members who make excuses for it, or put up with it... it's the same thing, but we just don't tend to have a name for it. As much as Persona 5 is "Very Japanese", all their experiences are universal. I have a lot of LGBT friends in various countries, and Japan seems the same as any. Not great, and pretty much the same level of uniformly bad that we're all used to.
@conspiracypanda1200
@conspiracypanda1200 Жыл бұрын
Some people say that Australia is an equal or even classless country due to misconceptions about our generally easygoing or brash attitudes, (plus clips online of us directly swearing at or being generally nonchalant about the literal Prime Minister), but I live here and there's still power and abuse of power here too. It really is a worldwide thing no matter the culture, sadly. Hell, I literally had a creep teacher of mine get chased down by the cops for possession of kid pics.
@jackflynn412
@jackflynn412 Жыл бұрын
@@conspiracypanda1200 I live in the U.S. and I know a teacher that molested a student. The thing that makes Persona 5 so good is that we all vibe with autonomy and hate the unfortunate realism of villains like Kamoshida who abuse their power. I wish it wasn't true but a lot of these problems are worldwide. And I'm sure everyone knows corrupt politicians in their country who lie through the skin of their teeth like Shido does. Persona 5 will hit home for anyone who hates corruption and distortions regardless of their nationality.
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144 2 ай бұрын
Both things are true at once? Like. It hit hard Eben with out the context. And I had expected some of it to be fiction based on real stories. But the added context does clarify a lot. 🤔
@lancerguy3667
@lancerguy3667 Жыл бұрын
Something I like about the way P5 is structured is that each subsequent case pulls the curtain back further, showing how entrenched the problems the youth face are. From their school life, to the art world, to the criminal underworld, the corporate ladder, the legal system, and finally to the political institution of the country itself. That’s also why the final act is so important to the story, since it drives the point home that the phantom thieves spent the whole game cutting the heads off a hydra-Sure, it’s great that Kamoshida is gone and the abuse at this one school has stopped, but how many more kamoshidas are out there? And given enough time, another will eventually come to replace him, because it’s not the moral failings of any individual scumbag causing society’s problems; it’s the flaws of society itself.
@naproupi
@naproupi 9 ай бұрын
Yeah that's why I dislike with a passion "reviews" that dismiss the last part of the game as "Ok so you fight a god cuz jrpg lol, there's nothing to it it's just jrpg stuff" like...for starter just because many jrpg do it doesn't mean it means nothing to the country one should ask himself WHY jrpg are so obessed with evil gods, what it represents for them ? And ehre it's a pretty clear case of the god perfectly representing the true ennemy of the game which are the ideological flaws of society itself. Because that's what false god are at the end of the day, the incarnation of a belief system shared by a lot of individuals.
@larsthememelord3383
@larsthememelord3383 5 ай бұрын
@@naproupialso yaldabaoth is just like the palace rulers in that it is just another person (or in this case god) trying to force their will, beliefs and desires unto others
@moomer2675
@moomer2675 5 ай бұрын
The final act also made me realize that the actions of the Phantom Thieves were also evil. Sure, changing hearts was seen as a good thing but the deeper meaning was that the Phantom Thieves had to resort to forceful manipulation to stop evil and ignorantly sent palace rulers back to the Prison of Regression. The world relied on a god to choose their fate and relied on the Phantom Thieves to solve their problems. Both sides are keeping the Prison of Regression in check.
@fictionjunkie
@fictionjunkie Жыл бұрын
Great video, but you forgot Sae Nijima 's palace which was a pretty spot on indictment of Japan's criminal justice system. Persona 5 resonates worldwide so I had no idea it had specific cases in mind.
@b.h.4249
@b.h.4249 Жыл бұрын
She didn't forget it, she already discussed the subject in a video entirely about Sae which she mentioned at some point during this video.
@aaroncallahan119
@aaroncallahan119 Жыл бұрын
Also Sae wasnt a criminal. Neither was Futaba. Or I guess "villain".
@fictionjunkie
@fictionjunkie Жыл бұрын
@@aaroncallahan119 Sae was essentially on the verge of becoming a villain, the palace version of her was already willing to cheat to win regardless of guilt.
@GHOST-sw2ke
@GHOST-sw2ke Жыл бұрын
@@fictionjunkie That's unfortunately part of the issue with the justice system over there. While the philosophy is supposed to be innocent till proven guilty, unfortunately the common mind set is if the police arrested you they must of had a proper reason so prosecutors will do whatever they can which is why there's a 99% conviction rate. Add on the fact she is a woman in a male dominated work force and the sole source of income for her family, she is doing whatever she can to succeed.
@attackerangel2951
@attackerangel2951 Жыл бұрын
@@fictionjunkie That means she was already a villain. I didn't like how she got away with that.
@kap1618
@kap1618 Жыл бұрын
This is why I hate when people talk about "unrealistic/cartoony villains." Captain planet villains are more real than we like to think and the same is true about P5.
@kap1618
@kap1618 Жыл бұрын
Not to say captain planet didn't get some things wrong but the show is way more potent in hindsight.
@b.h.4249
@b.h.4249 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. You see people like this on the news almost every day and for some reason people don't pick up on it. With all these modern and historical dictators and populists, how can one actually claim that Shido is unrealistic? The only difference between the P5 villains and our irl ones, is that the real criminals smile at the camera and have monologues about their fucked-up worldview behind closed doors.
@egbertmilton4003
@egbertmilton4003 Жыл бұрын
@@kap1618 I mean , it cut out making the bad guys into negligent regular people, instead framing as the sort who just desire to pollute, rather than have it be a biproduct of greed and laziness, due to not wanting to make kids question their parents
@tavoreparan8091
@tavoreparan8091 Жыл бұрын
The thing is... the problem with "cartoony" villains isn't that they're unrealistic, but that it's difficult to understand their perspective, so you don't see how you could end up like them. And by that test, all of P5's villains are cartoony. Verisimilitude is a concept that people really need for basic media literacy.
@samuelmachado8330
@samuelmachado8330 5 ай бұрын
​I dissagre the persona 5 villans are cartoonist since many iconic villans don't have us follow they percept and the fact they are the result of bad of bad stuff so they don't need have profound mean
@1coolerguy
@1coolerguy Жыл бұрын
From the first time seeing P5 the story always felt the most possible, in a sense that the characters felt like they could exist, and that the way people acted towards what happened didn't feel contrived to an extreme degree, so its interesting to learn that alot of it was based on real events not just an extreme of them. I'v got no meme to end this with so Happy holidays and well wish's and all that
@LadyVirgilia
@LadyVirgilia Жыл бұрын
OMG ARE YOU FOR REALLLLL...???! 😭 dudeeee seriously this is an insane amount of money and I'm SO incredibly grateful for your generosity 🙏 Really glad you enjoyed this video so much and wishing you a happy holidays and new year as well! ❄️
@sev-n
@sev-n Жыл бұрын
$500!? You really are a cooler guy!
@Relatablename
@Relatablename Жыл бұрын
What a generous offer
@sumfagola
@sumfagola Жыл бұрын
What a waste.
@mystery8820
@mystery8820 Жыл бұрын
$500? I can’t do that on mobile. Is it only doable in PC?
@jatabo1574
@jatabo1574 Жыл бұрын
50:40 In Spain we have an old saying, "Ajo y agua" (garlick and water), which in turn is actually the polite, short version of the actual one, "A joderse y aguantarse" (get fucked and put up with it). It´s basically our version of all those phrases, except with our own rude yet witty take that characterizes us.
@jackhammertwo1
@jackhammertwo1 Жыл бұрын
I would personally argue the part of us beign witty about that one, but the rest is on point.
@SvafaBlackhand
@SvafaBlackhand Жыл бұрын
In English, we also have "que sera, sera", which (despite its appearance) is an entirely English creation meant to look Spanish/Italian/French (depending on time period/spelling). It's meant to mean "what will be, will be", and often has a similar fatalistic intent as the other expressions (you can't control it, so put up with it).
@jackhammertwo1
@jackhammertwo1 Жыл бұрын
@@SvafaBlackhand wrong its translated as "what happens, happens"
@ashleightompkins3200
@ashleightompkins3200 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a video on the mementos targets who were almost bad enough to have palaces, like the host club guy who tricks girls into sex works, the parents blackmailing Kawakami or even the Parent's of Futaba's friend who force her to be a grauvere idol
@Crumble_n_use
@Crumble_n_use Жыл бұрын
As an American, this is a bit weird to look at. Societal pressures are nothing new, and I knew that they were on steroids in most Asian cultures, but as someone who's grown up with individualism thrown in my face most of my life, this is crazy. It's even more insane to think that people like this can do what they do on a regular basis and get away with it. We all like to think of Kamoshida, Madarame, Shido, Kaneshiro, and Okumura as cartoonishly evil, and to an extent, they are. But the fact that they've been inspired by real life individuals who might have gotten away with their schtick their entire lives makes for an absolute horror show. It's a lot easier to digest this stuff when it's just me using a magic ghost to punch society's problems away, I guess. Learn something new every day.
@loserinasuit7880
@loserinasuit7880 5 ай бұрын
Nobody really realizes how insidious people can be. We can all call them cartoonish yet there are a couple Adachis and Nijima's in every state department. And predators in droves that can be found in all sorts of positions.
@OathKeeperRiku07
@OathKeeperRiku07 Жыл бұрын
And people were trying to downgrade the villains of P5 as 'cartoony', turns out the social commentary is as deep as MHA.
@basilofgoodwishes4138
@basilofgoodwishes4138 Жыл бұрын
I mean this is an anime world with people having Persona powers. We have in our world no known people who can call on the power of persona and Carl Jung isn't as spot on about psychology as we think he is. It is not really a realistic story, in fact the only way for it to be realistic if all the palace things and Phantom Thievery were children's games.
@Zeik56
@Zeik56 Жыл бұрын
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 You're kind of completely missing the point. Having fantasy elements does not negate all elements of realism. Usually a good fantasy setting and story uses its fantasy to heighten the scenario, while extrapolating on how that would affect the characters and world in a believable way. And/or use its fiction to comment on real issues. (Almost all the best fiction has some form of social commentary.) Lots of superhero fiction does this kind of thing all the time. They present the real world as a setting and then ask the question "What would a normal human do if they suddenly got superpowers?" Obviously superpowers are fiction, but at the core of most of those stories is something believable and relateable to a real person. I don't think P5 always succeeds at that, some of its villains are unbelievaby cartoony (Shido), at least in execution, but a lot of the game and its commentary is based on real issues, and the fantasy parts don't change that.
@basilofgoodwishes4138
@basilofgoodwishes4138 Жыл бұрын
@@Zeik56 No I get it. Fantasy can use realism, but that does not mean the story is realistic and as such does not have to limit itself to it for the sake of it. Too many writers want to be realistic and that ends up sucking the life out of their stories. Shido is also a bad example for cartoonish evil, because people like him exists. See that is the problem with realism within fiction, it isn't really needed that much and when people speak of realistic, they always want just some gritty stuff that isn't worth entertaining, like how endless war is good for humanity.
@Zeik56
@Zeik56 Жыл бұрын
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 I have no idea where this argument is coming from, as nobody is claiming that Persona is, or should be, gritty realism. The disussion was about the realisitic elements behind the fantasy. That being said, Shido may be based on real people who did real bad things, but he's not realistic as a character. Real evil people don't spend 10 minutes monaloging an exposition dump of all the evil they've done and plan to do in the most hamfisted way possible. Shido could have been a good villain, because there are plenty of corrupt politicians out there to base him on, but they failed to give him any nuance or subtlety to write a believably evil character, so he just ended up being a caricature of one. And a character like that needs to be reasonably realistic and believable, because he's not some abstract god, he's a human politician in the real world. Every other villain at least has some nuance to them, even if they are exaggerated anime depictions. But by far the best antagonist of the game (and arguably the best in the series) was Royal's final antagonist, precisely because he felt like a real person who ended up going down the path he did for believable reasons. His circumstances were very fantastical, but it was the elements of realism that made him an effective and nuanced character. Pure over the top fantasy can work, but it's so much harder to pull off well, especially if so much of your setting and premise is ostensibly based in reality and wants to tackle real subjects.
@basilofgoodwishes4138
@basilofgoodwishes4138 Жыл бұрын
@@Zeik56 Gritty and realism is interexchangable for many people. When people speak of realism they mean this and not often what humans can realistically do, because Shido does thing that a lot of politicians do irl, like calling for assassination and sentencing people for invented crimes to be thrown into the trash of society, left to rot. All they want is just a story that has him lice in a grim world where he is forced to be this way and maybe, he has a point, like many villains in the fallout franchise, where live is grim and the fascists have a point and aren't cartoonish. Kamoshida is only called the most realistic, because he is not involved in the supernatural conspiracy, even though he kinda is via the metaverse. Also he monolouges just like Shido about his goals like a true villain. On top of all of this, evil monolouges are good and necessary to get their mindset and Shido does not present himself as villain, he makes himself look like a hero, when he isn't. That is not bad writing, maybe evil, but not bad writing. The problem is also not Shido, it's the story being incapable of criticizing the PT so everyone has to be made a douchebag to justify brainwashing, hence all villains are irredeemable and can only change through Persona powers.
@Kiri68419
@Kiri68419 Жыл бұрын
Abe getting assasinated hits different after realising Shido was made so heavily in his image.
@HomelessFish139
@HomelessFish139 4 ай бұрын
Shinzo Abe was actually based while Shido is comically evil.
@inplane9970
@inplane9970 Жыл бұрын
I'm more surprised with how people can't relate P5's villains to real life figures. I mean, Shido is a walking caricature of nearly every politician out there. Even Sae is the definition of the Glass Ceiling phenomenon gone rogue. Though it's interesting to see it from a Japanese perspective. Just goes to show that Japan has its own bundle of problems that really aren't brought to light when discussing about their culture. Racism, sexism, and xenophobia being prominent issues.
@paulchapman8023
@paulchapman8023 Жыл бұрын
I guess they took to heart the “This game is a work of fiction…” disclaimer at the beginning of the game.
@F1areon
@F1areon Жыл бұрын
I remember lots of folks making Trump jokes regarding Shido, so it seems like people picked up on THAT, at least. (The Shinzo Abe connection I DIDN'T initially catch, but it's VERY obvious in hindsight. I better go put on my clown shoes... @_@)
@grapes9h5
@grapes9h5 Жыл бұрын
You really have the best p5 videos of all. People need to watch this.
@LadyVirgilia
@LadyVirgilia Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😭🙏
@mystery8820
@mystery8820 Жыл бұрын
“ZA WARUDO” needs to see this. Sorry for the obligatory JoJo pronounciation.
@furiousfusion7890
@furiousfusion7890 Жыл бұрын
@Mystery ? It's fine. That pronunciation _echos_ through our heads every time we hear someone say that.
@vitanipaige4741
@vitanipaige4741 Жыл бұрын
Politician Nonomura’s apology video had in tears laughing! Omfg that made my day! Thank you Lady!
@BigKlingy
@BigKlingy Жыл бұрын
It became a pretty big internet meme in Japan.
@TheDeathOmen
@TheDeathOmen Жыл бұрын
Gintama’s welcome back for a new season after a long period of waiting that satirized that apology was legendary.
@kalobmanke170
@kalobmanke170 Жыл бұрын
@@TheDeathOmen I knew that seemed familiar to me lmao
@Billpro25
@Billpro25 Жыл бұрын
I kind of felt sorry for him, actually...
@planescaped
@planescaped 5 ай бұрын
@@Billpro25 The guy was a pathetic fraud, don't.
@ronniedanner2250
@ronniedanner2250 Жыл бұрын
Wow, I always said that pesona 5's only bad mark was that the villains were so overly evil it takes away all of the moral issues the PT might face. They lightly touch on it the day before Shiho attempts suicide but otherwise they're up against people who can only be dealt with by changes of heart. I had no idea that this was legitimately what happens in Japan. Damn, I always told people that I wanted to move to Japan since they would be more cultured and accepting. As a tattooed (with fucking flowers too God I'm stupid!) Gay man, I'd probably be absolutely hated in Japan. Oh well, there's great Japanese food and culture here in the states.
@LadyVirgilia
@LadyVirgilia Жыл бұрын
Yeah for better or worse, conformity is everything in Japan. If you're not willing to act and think exactly like the status quo, you're gonna have a rough time... It's slowly getting better and better with the younger generation(s), but there's still a ton of xenophobia towards foreigners still (even if it's not blatant, or even intentional) :/ I think it's an excellent place to visit as a tourist! But very hard to settle down in for those not born and raised there.
@ronniedanner2250
@ronniedanner2250 Жыл бұрын
@@LadyVirgilia Well I at least know how to use chopsticks, slurp my ramen, and dip the sushi fish side down... I'd love to visit a gay bar in Shinjuku like crossroads (I'm assuming that's it's a gay bar??). I would at least assume in that neighborhood I'd be more accepted.
@naproupi
@naproupi Жыл бұрын
It's not like that kind of people only exist in Japan. Sure the specifics will be different, but adults who abuse their position of power or "geniuses" to abuse young people exist in the states Same for scammer artists who abuse their notoriety to exploit their students Same for shady organisation that make young people sell drugs Very very same for awful CEOs who treat their employes like tools (might be worse in the states for that one) ANd of course I don't need to explain the shady cops and polician do I ? We shouldn't idolize Japan but we shouldn't use it as a scapegoat to pretend our country is perfectly fine either.
@starmaker75
@starmaker75 Жыл бұрын
@@naproupi It goes to show that despite cultural differences, problems and awful are still the same
@samuelclayhills3298
@samuelclayhills3298 Жыл бұрын
Well even in this game the only two openly gay men where portrayed as pedofiles and rapists so yeah. But hey at least you got Lala-chan 1/3 is decent right.
@starmaker75
@starmaker75 Жыл бұрын
I think videos like this show how both American and Japanese are both similar and different in a way. While there times where American fans can related to dealing the abuses of villians and understand stuff like kamoshida(especially since me too start to happen around persona 5 western's release), Okumura, and even Kaneshiro(if you live in a bad neighborhood) and shido. However the way is present can be lost to some. It didn’t help that were a fuss about the “freaks” joke and unfortunate implication(I.e making of lgbtq+ in a bad way). It interesting to see as a American, that most Asia societies have a too collectivist problem, while the USA it the opposite with hype individualism. In fact we call it this hype individualist problem as “F”ck you, got mine”
@LadyVirgilia
@LadyVirgilia Жыл бұрын
Great points! I've always like to think that *outcomes* across the world are quite similar, hence the universality of so many societal ills (for example, exploitation of workers for own gain)... but the *reasons/mentality* behind why these things happen vary from culture to culture. And I'd have to agree. That's why I hope we're all able to find a healthy balance between these two extremes some day!
@glitchygear9453
@glitchygear9453 Жыл бұрын
Us humans are often tempted into "all or nothing" approaches to the world around us... either 100% individualism, or 100% collectivism, for example.
@starmaker75
@starmaker75 Жыл бұрын
@Caleb OKAY oh god people not understanding naoto and kanji arc is a pain. With persona 4 golden being released to the switch and other console, it going to be re-ignited
@christracey5813
@christracey5813 Жыл бұрын
You may want to check out an Anime called psycho pass. It is a dystopian science fiction anime about about a world were brain scans of your emotional stress "cloudiness" dictates your life and even if you are allowed to be in that society at at. I bring this up as it wares a lot of its western inspirations on its sleeve, and there are parts, especially the ending, that you can clearly see the difference between western ideals and eastern (Japanese) ones.
@mdd4296
@mdd4296 Жыл бұрын
Both individualism and collectivism in the us or japan are similarly hypocritical. Namely, both are "value" sold by the power structure to the population, value they never live up to. The values are different due to different cultural historical context. "Collectivism" in Japan manifest in these act of power abuse for personal gains, across any era in their history. It's just the question of whether they could get away when shit hit the fan. "Individualism" in America will gladly discard individuals who stand against injustice to perpetrate an inherently unfair system. The name of national securities have been invoked various time for psychopathic goals.
@Vasileva85
@Vasileva85 Жыл бұрын
Worked in factories my entire adult life where the majority of my coworkers were East Asian immigrants. They definitely had the overtime mindset and I got sucked into it, was used to an easy 80-100hr week. They were so afraid of being viewed as worthless to our supervisors if they didn’t do this, at least it wasn’t mandatory and we got paid 1.5-2x for that overtime.
@hcook1023
@hcook1023 Жыл бұрын
That's also a huge reason many of these types of immigrants can get ahead later on in America they literally outwork the Americans, that much overtime can easily be over 1k a week more money
@JetWarrior
@JetWarrior Жыл бұрын
It's always interesting to me how games connect to the real world in ways we never thought. Especially Japanese games. Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire allude to the land reclamation battles that were happening at the time in the region of Japan Hoenn is based on. The entire Phoenix Wright series is commentary on how ridiculous the Japanese justice system actually is and how much it relies on guilty verdicts. And now the connections in Persona 5 with real issues that were happening in the country at the time are being made known thanks to you. Thank you for examining these kind of themes in Persona 5 and giving more context to those of us who were missing it. When I get around to playing Royal, keeping all this stuff in mind will give me that much of a greater grasp on what the game is really trying to say.
@lightyearpig12
@lightyearpig12 Жыл бұрын
As someone who did suffer under an abusive teacher in my freshman year of high school, though thankfully he was only psychologically abusive instead of physically or even sexually, seeing Joker, Ryuji and Ann gain their Personas from standing up to Kamoshida felt so empowering to me and basically told me how much I would relate to all the Thieves.
@HyperLuigi37
@HyperLuigi37 Жыл бұрын
It’s helpful to note that the Liberal Democratic Party has always been a bad translation. It’s not Liberal, it’s Libertarian. The party’s name is 自由民主党 or literally “Freedom Democratic Party” Whoever translated it mixed up liberal, which means doing things (such as making changes) without restraint, with libertarian, which means the government not getting in the way of the people and allowing them to live freely. Both of them have the “without restraint” or “free” idea, but they’re used in different ways.
@LadyVirgilia
@LadyVirgilia Жыл бұрын
Libertarian **definitely** makes the party's naming make more sense. Thanks for this!
@AusSP
@AusSP Жыл бұрын
No, it's an issue with Americans. Liberal does mean freedom and people's rights. But in America you have Liberal in the sense of Social Liberalism, which is pro-welfare state and government interventionism, and typically very progressive, in the sense that it adopts new ideas and legal and policy changes very quickly, aka "the left". And "Classic" Liberalism, which is what Liberalism is in Europe, and is more conservative, aka "the right". Not that this is a perfect definition, as parties and politicians and policies all vary a lot, and names don't always mean what you expect. But in most Democracies, classical Liberal is the conservative position, because Democracies are founded on Liberal values. In Japan, the Liberal Democratic Party is Classic Liberal (but also somewhat Nationalistic). The Constitutional Democratic Party is Social Liberal.
@HyperLuigi37
@HyperLuigi37 Жыл бұрын
@@AusSP I’ve only ever seen liberal in a standard sense be used as an opposite to conservative. Do you apply peanut butter to the bread liberally, a lot, or conservatively, not much? By that definition, it makes sense to apply the liberal definition to those who want to make changes liberally, vs those who want to conserve the old ways, and be very conservative with changes they do make. I know there are many political definitions, but I try to keep mine to the base root words. Shit like “classic liberalism” actually being conservative and stuff like that just complicates the words when you want to apply the basic definitions in ways that make sense.
@HyperLuigi37
@HyperLuigi37 Жыл бұрын
Whereas Libertarian specifically emphasizes freedom and liberty of the people. Which is what the Jiyuu Minshu party stands for. It’s a classic centrist/conservative leaning party, but its name does show the face it shows to the people: we won’t get in your way, not if we don’t need to anyway.
@AusSP
@AusSP Жыл бұрын
@@HyperLuigi37 Liberal also means "not strict", or "generous", or the liberal arts. You can't pick one definition out of a list of several and say that all uses of the word must abide by one definition. It is confusing, certainly, but we're well past the point where the English Language can survive restricting definitions of words. Anyway, Liberal doesn't mean conservative or progressive. Conservative and progressive are comparative terms, and have nothing to do with Liberalism at all. Progressive means you want to change stuff, conservative means you want to do or change as little as necessary. Back when Europe was made of monarchies, Liberalism was hyper-progressive. Now, it's not, because most western nations are Liberal, and you can't be progressive if everyone's doing it. More than that, Liberalism isn't just a word, but a philosophy, with centuries of writings that all collectively add up to explain and justify the beliefs of these political parties. "People have a right to Life, Liberty, and Property" is an idea that's hundreds of years old. The reason why Social Liberals have a different name is because they believe a different, newer philosophy. Classic Liberalism is conservative because it believes the *old* tried-and-tested philosophy. Libertarian, in America, is a synonym for Classic Liberal, thanks to the American Democrats adopting Liberal instead of Social Liberal. Because of that, Liberal is the term used by everyone except the Americans. You can be as American as you want, but the Jiyuu Minshuu party isn't going to change it's translation after nearly 60 years just because an American says so.
@adamsmoberly
@adamsmoberly Жыл бұрын
I feel Madarame also reminds me of Mamoru Samurahochi, especially since he portrayed himself as a musician who was deaf when he was neither deaf nor even a musician, or at least a good one. He was outed by a ghostwriter (I guess that’s what he basically was). So with Madarame not only not being an artist and claiming other’s work as his own, but also being a “humble man” who isn’t humble at all, I feel he’s similar to Mamrou. And the latter “worked” on the dual shock director’s cut of the original Resident Evil, which has some godawful remake of the soundtrack.
@adamsmoberly
@adamsmoberly Жыл бұрын
Lol, I commented before I got to that part of the video. 😂
@pavise6333
@pavise6333 Жыл бұрын
cue the farting clown
@rayvenkman2087
@rayvenkman2087 Жыл бұрын
It’s most likely Madame is more based on him than the former because of the ghostwriting, playing a false public facade and that tearful apology conference.
@itsdioandn
@itsdioandn Жыл бұрын
Even for me, an Indonesian, these villains are very relatable to our day-to-day lives. Abuse of Filial Piety background, the religion/political fanaticism, Greedy Capitalist, misogynism, sexual and physical abuse are rampant problems that you can also find here, in a somewhat similar sense/dimension with P5's. Regarding "Shikata ga nai" mentality, the current older generations here tend to lean towards "You must be grateful" whenever people are complaining about injustice in their life. In spirit it is the same but with Islamic PoV than Confucianism. Because we're meant to be thankful for everything that happens even the negative ones are served as reminder, which is true but back to your last point, some bad things in life need to be addressed, demanded solution and solved instead of being sweep under the rug with the pretense of being Ungrateful.
@v.emiltheii-nd.8094
@v.emiltheii-nd.8094 Жыл бұрын
Igor: This game is a work of fiction! Me: Cap!
@rickwong9049
@rickwong9049 4 ай бұрын
Wise word Doraemon. 😼👍
@leonthecool123
@leonthecool123 Жыл бұрын
Major Disservice not including Futaba Palace. Futaba castle was all about the ever growing depression in Japanese Youth. Hikikomori is a ever growing issue in Japan.
@namursyid
@namursyid Жыл бұрын
I remember there's a video dedicated for Futaba. She discussed about hikikomori there
@TheWolfgangGrimmer
@TheWolfgangGrimmer 9 ай бұрын
As the title says... "villains". Sae's absence from the video is rather questionable(even if the main topic of her arc was covered in part in the Akechi video), But neither Futaba nor Shadow Futaba are outright "evil" in any sense of the word, and the only actual abusers involved her arc are nameless goons of Shido.
@PrismOpal64
@PrismOpal64 4 ай бұрын
I didn’t know Futaba was a villain lol
@a.alphonso6193
@a.alphonso6193 4 ай бұрын
can you read?
@g.b.2992
@g.b.2992 4 ай бұрын
The video was about the villains. The bad adults. Futaba’s palace was not about a bad adult. Relax fam…
@Mr1991bbk
@Mr1991bbk Жыл бұрын
If anyone thought these situations weren’t/aren’t actually a thing, they really need to get a reality check.
@dustinsicedragon
@dustinsicedragon 4 ай бұрын
Beginning of each Persona game: "coincidence" Me: "Don't believe in coincidences" *Presses start*
@CaptainAstronaut
@CaptainAstronaut Жыл бұрын
Great Video!! I recently finished P5 Royal for the first time, so it was really cool hearing about all the real world inspiration for these characters!
@dljb7463
@dljb7463 Жыл бұрын
hi spaceman!
@VioletxVelvet
@VioletxVelvet Жыл бұрын
The term that I'm seeing most frequently these days that could be compared to Gaman is "Cope". There's a growing sense among the youth that the world is screwed and there's nothing we can do about it. I think a game like Persona 5 really struck a chord in that sense, which helps explain its global popularity. Anyway, sorry to hear about your illness, I wish you the best of luck. And remember, it's okay to be upset about circumstances that are unfair, even if you can't do much about it.
@conspiracypanda1200
@conspiracypanda1200 Жыл бұрын
Huh. I've actually seen "Cope" used in both ways, but it always has an agression to it. As in, someone might say "X thing is unfair and cruel and we need to change it because we shouldn't behave in this way" and the response is "Cope" as in "Too bad, crybaby! We're not changing anything, so toughen up!"; but also if someone says "I can't stand that things are changing because I don't like certain ideas or beliefs and I want everyone to conform again" the response becomes "Cope" in the context of "Well, _we_ all want change, so too bad! If you keep whining you'll be left behind and we won't care".
@cubeofmeat4982
@cubeofmeat4982 Жыл бұрын
My take on “cope” and “it is what it is” is kinda mixed. On one hand, of course life isn’t easy, society can’t be managed in a way that favours every single individual so that their life will be a walk in the park. Persona 5 Royal’s ending even highlights the fact that a fulfilling life requires you to overcome challenges. But I think everyone can agree that when society reaches to the point where it gives unjust treatment to higher and lower socioeconomic groups it’s just messed up. However alot of people think a world like this should just be accepted because “it is what it is” and because we simply cannot change something as big as the collective society, but that’s really the mindset that prevents us from doing so. Some people have just accepted this way of life and but it doesn’t have to be that way.
@animeyhem9780
@animeyhem9780 Жыл бұрын
As an American who spent several years living in Japan, the game hit the cultural psyche elements dead on. It's one of the reasons I enjoyed P5 so much. It was a great reminder of my time there.
@TenebraeXVII
@TenebraeXVII Жыл бұрын
Kamoshida also serves as a reference to Ginji Sazaki from Persona 2 similarly to how Ann borrows elements from Lisa Silverman from the same game. Sazaki was based off music producer Tetsuya Komuro who at the time had a rather colorful reputation and was the manager of the singer HITOMI who was the main vocalist for P2.
@basilofgoodwishes4138
@basilofgoodwishes4138 Жыл бұрын
Ginji is Kamoshida with Persona powers, which is scary. Joker recruited the strangest people into his own masked circle. And no, I am talking about the original Joker, a cooler character imo.
@Amon_Gus799
@Amon_Gus799 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact Samuragochi is responsible for the basement song from the uncut version of the first Resident Evil game
@pavise6333
@pavise6333 Жыл бұрын
As a fan of both games, Madarame is a special villain.
@F1areon
@F1areon 4 ай бұрын
(clown farts intensify)
@aliceDarts
@aliceDarts Жыл бұрын
I noticed Shido's campaign posters right away. They do the exact same thing here in montreal, though with a lot more parties than just a few. The visual pollution has gotten so bad now that when election season is over, they are obligated to remove the posters within a few days, or else they will get fined.
@RJayStreet
@RJayStreet Жыл бұрын
I find it really interesting that "Hangure" sounds very similar to the English word "hungry", and that Kaneshiro is associated with gluttony. I don't know if that was on purpose, but it's pretty clever either way.
@hartstukken
@hartstukken Жыл бұрын
Kaneshiro's name itself is also funny meaning money and white
@mahiru20ten
@mahiru20ten Жыл бұрын
@@hartstukken Or also "money fortress"
@fojisan2398
@fojisan2398 Жыл бұрын
@@mahiru20ten Or money castle
@DementedDuskull
@DementedDuskull Жыл бұрын
I still think Kaneshiro should've been Greed and Okumura should've been Gluttony. One runs a bank and the other runs a fast food place for Pete's sake.
@RJayStreet
@RJayStreet Жыл бұрын
@@DementedDuskull I totally see where you're coming from. At the same time, maybe they thought it'd be too predictable, and I think that makes it more exciting.
@ebmage8793
@ebmage8793 Жыл бұрын
I think the closest phrase to 'shoganai' in black american culture would be "It is what it is". But for us, our history has been to maintain a culture of protest and vigilance when it comes to injustice in order to avoid ever going back to the atrocities of our past. We have a very real fear that if we dont maintain momentum, all that we've worked for can slip away. Current incidents and uncovered stories tend prove it. But unfortanately we also have to accept the way people are, what things happen to us and how the world works.
@silverhawkscape2677
@silverhawkscape2677 Жыл бұрын
Not that Culture has turned into a Culture of Male Believe Dragons that need to be slayed. Of Micro aggressions and such.
@ebmage8793
@ebmage8793 Жыл бұрын
@@silverhawkscape2677 Are you black? Im asking because I wouldnt mind hearing a different black perspective on this. Otherwise, your theory is duly noted
@atiyaadams12
@atiyaadams12 Жыл бұрын
@@ebmage8793 I can't write too much cause I'm traveling. I can say that many of the topics in PS5 definitely resonated within the African American and Black Diaspora. Corrupt Criminal justice system (Central Park 5 case as well as many other cases where people were put in prison and were not guilty ). Gang affiliations due to reganomics and the cia infiltration of crack to the inner-city (read the book Dark Alliance). Which broke down family homes. Corruption with teachers and schools black children are more prone to having violent tactics used on them more than any other children of racial background. Within West Indian culture your name is everything you have and the idea of always respecting your elders. The phrase "it is what it is" definitely coincides with endure but more specifically enduring systemic racism within a country specifically built on white nationalism. The ideology of Manifest Destiny, now Trump's America First, and coming up the rank DeSantis who is much worse than trump because he is a career politician. As well as many corrupt politicians who do not care for their citizens specifically in people of color ans black communities (ie: Flynt- environmental racism and many messed up tactics to bring "America" back to "normal"). And as the author talked about enduring her medical condition (which I hope she is ok). That was that kind of mentality of many black Americans deal with of enduring the impossible due to the generational trauma of slavery. Trauma doesn't go away it sits there till you confront it. The connection of overworked employees in low paying jobs usually resonated with many Black Americans. However due to the shift in population and the growing numbers in the Latino and or Latin X Diaspora. They're shifting slave labor / low wages onto them which is disgusting. In connection to the Nissei and WW 2 that is somwwhat similar to many Black American soldiers who were questioned as to why they would fight for the country that enslaved them. I think that's why Persona 5 really really really hit home with me. It was like seeing a mirror and although some things were different there were so many similarities it was shocking. Sorry for typos and grammatical errors. If you would like to discuss more happy to chat more about this. Also I'm not doing suppression Olympics I am just showcasing how many topics in P5 reflected what many Black Americans see. At least what I saw.
@jmporkbob
@jmporkbob Жыл бұрын
Great job, Lady. I was gonna just watch a little bit of this while I was eating, before getting back to the game itself, but I ended up just watching through until the ending section. Pretty interesting to learn this stuff, and thanks for putting in all the effort!
@kkacehstrive
@kkacehstrive Жыл бұрын
The shikataganai and gaman really hits home, I am from a certain south east asian country that study abroad for 4 years in america. I came home and found myself frustrated with certain situation that I cannot solve by myself, all the people that I ask for help always just says endure it and be patient and things will get better, while I keep thinking most of the time situations will not get better unless someone start do something about it. Life problems is not like a storm that will calm down eventually by itself. Anyway just saying my piece, thanks so much for your amazing video, your channel deserves way more viewers and subcribers. Keep up the amazing work!
@Omegafire17
@Omegafire17 Жыл бұрын
While I do get the dislike of the sentence "rotten adults", I feel that people tend to get an unnecessarily surface level reaction to it at times. Ie, it's only taken at face value and makes you think "these kids think all adults are rotten", when in practice, it's more that the PTs hate "adults who are rotten" - that's a very important distinction imo. ^When it comes to adults who aren't rotten, like Sojiro, Kawakami, Sae, Maruki, and the like, the PTs were generally fine with them despite all they've been through - heck, when Sojiro was under suspicion of abuse regarding Futaba, the PTs (not just Joker, mind) were reluctant to believe he was capable of that, and carefully looked into the matter before they jumped to any conclusions/accusations. And it's not just the major NPCs; people like the art founder in Yusuke's Confidant, the Okumura employee who listens to Haru's feedback and calls off her arranged marriage when he finds out the truth, the ever-liked Lala (:P), those reasonable detectives after Futaba's uncle called "assault", and so on... even in a story against corrupt individuals, and all that entails, there's plenty of reasonable people that makes it difficult to say they're merely the exception to the rule. As an adult myself, I saw that thread very early on in my first playthrough of Vanilla P5, and mused how that - like many people tend to do IRL - the "rotten adults" thing was simply a generalization (and not an entirely unfounded one in-universe, all things considered). Plus, our heroes are teens who are still learning much about the world, and themselves; it takes time to develop the more mature views of the world and people at large, which we take for granted when looking at their words from the outside. As such, I believe taking it at face value in the above manner is a disservice to the story, and to the characters
@DrawciaGleam02
@DrawciaGleam02 Жыл бұрын
"rotten adults" makes me think of Kids Next Door.....😆😆😆 But Persona 5 wins over the fact that the youngsters don't forget their adventures....even in the alternate reality created by that teacher.... ..while KND falls flat for me because if most of its members lose their memories of their adventures, how are they going to become better people than their parents and usher in reforms that protect future generations of children???
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 Жыл бұрын
@@DrawciaGleam02 I mean...they can still become better people without remembering being part of KND it is possible.
@ChaldeaWarmaster
@ChaldeaWarmaster Жыл бұрын
@@jaydenc367 True, one such example was Numbuh 1's own dad, a legend in his own right. But he chose to wipe his mind after one last mission because he knows what he is now and knows what his most important mission is: being a father.
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 Жыл бұрын
To be fair KD uis whimsical and from unreliable narrator stories and big imagination. Like takes on what kids might imagine , happening in the story while shoing h wonders of it, but not uncritical. I think knd for what it covers, relies too on the unreliable narrator if you arent a kid anymore and like the critical stuff knd does show, the critical , yeah all that can be good but also make you wrong, i think it does show too. hil being whimsical. So i think its very difrent stories for very different reasons. like i think knd really wants to be good family media with added comentary, and persona is commentary made to media. .
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 Жыл бұрын
@@ChaldeaWarmaster exactly
@FunTomAsh
@FunTomAsh Жыл бұрын
Great video. I, actually, was surprised ,when heard that people think P5 villains are "too evil". Because for my whole life (21 years) I've met and know at least 2 "Komoshida's", who enjoyed to abuse their students, 1 Okumura -like and 1 Shido-like. Shido-like especially pretty realistic, because he rules my country for over 28 years. After collapse of ussr in 1994 were elections and he also said a lot of sweet things, especially to old folks, who missed that garbage - ussr. So majority elected him and almost immediately started to make his regime more powerfull by creating his "gestapo" and "silencing" everyone, who could oppose him. Under him economic became garbage, corruption raised and other typical dictatorship things. And still he does truly belives that what he did was right. There was a lot of protests, involved hundred of thousands people, who opposed him. In result, people who was involved got captured were beaten daily, raped and some even killed in literal concentration camp. Who didn't fled the country got imprisoned for decades. And now I live in another country and can't go back to my home and parents. Well, I think that people, who really think, that such villains are unrealistic - pretty lucky
@samuelclayhills3298
@samuelclayhills3298 Жыл бұрын
Maybe you just hang out with weird people my guy. Or you are into this stuff but hey you do you.
@ninototo1
@ninototo1 Жыл бұрын
Ummm are you Russian?
@fojisan2398
@fojisan2398 Жыл бұрын
What country was this?
@FunTomAsh
@FunTomAsh Жыл бұрын
@@fojisan2398 belarus
@fojisan2398
@fojisan2398 Жыл бұрын
@@FunTomAsh Ah ok
@secularsoldier8585
@secularsoldier8585 Жыл бұрын
Best persona analyses are on this channel! Thanks for the extra effort and the personal angles.
@Yunglex313
@Yunglex313 Жыл бұрын
I am surprised you didn't go into Sae and the game's references to the Japanese Justice system. It echoes Naoto's Social link in P4 a bit but does discuss some issues in Japanese criminal justice, it's a little distorted thanks to the casino vibe but the idea was that the Japanese courts will do anything for their guilty verdicts, even if it meant using dubious means.
@TheXVodkaXFairy
@TheXVodkaXFairy Жыл бұрын
Actually, isn't that also a theme in Phoenix Wright? I believe a lot of the prosecutors in that game have a lot of problems with corruption, especially early Edgeworth and the von Karmas'.
@Yunglex313
@Yunglex313 Жыл бұрын
@@TheXVodkaXFairy Definitely, I would argue that the AA games are the main reason people who live outside Japan are even informed about the Japanese justice system, those and maybe Judgment (from the creators of the Yakuza games) because the story elements of those games come straight from reality and history.
@CelestiaLily
@CelestiaLily Жыл бұрын
It turns out that because LadyVirgilia did individual videos for each P5 confidant character, there were 3 Palace Rulers that all got their issues talked about in their Confidant video instead. (Futaba's video being more about the societal circumstances that *led* to her situation, rather than her *causing* any of course)
@bessieburnet9816
@bessieburnet9816 Жыл бұрын
Yes! I've been waiting for this since your videos on the party members! It's gonna be so cool!
@sebastianyoshikage6352
@sebastianyoshikage6352 Жыл бұрын
Despite Persona 5 being my first persona game, I always like the villains and disagree with the common criticism where people say that they are “cartoonish.” I feel some people did not properly analyzes the villains very well.
@Tony4You
@Tony4You Жыл бұрын
This video was amazing! I really appreciate the in depth look. Keep it up!
@LadyVirgilia
@LadyVirgilia Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it Tony! and thanks so much 🙏
@NarffetWerlz
@NarffetWerlz Жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Thank you for sharing. Context is always enjoyable when you're not a first-party to the info like this.
@supersayainasriel6745
@supersayainasriel6745 Жыл бұрын
I wish you would have brought up Mamomoru's most infamous scandal, the resident evil basement theme. Capcom when they were planning the directors cut found out about the ghost writers, and forced Mamomoru to REDO the entire sound track, and it was horrendous. Luckily for anyone wanting to play re classic the ps classic uses a EU copy which was untouched by the scandal
@-zzz3838
@-zzz3838 Жыл бұрын
This is an amazing analysis video and does a great job highlighting the cultural significance that Hashino intended!! With regards to gaman and shikata ga nai, the first things that came to mind were "lakas ng loob" and "bahala na" in Filipino psychology respectively, though bahala na can also take on a more confrontational meaning (but it usually does have a fatalist connotation depending on the context)
@ANJROTmania
@ANJROTmania Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video and still willing to talk about it even as the game had passed beyond their 5th anniversary mark. I think the longer we've been with the game, the more we need this kind of indepth video to see it with authorial intent as fanon and fan theories can only get wilder overtime as the main canon story has "ended" long ago. These video series you've done had always been a reminder of what the game and our world once was, back when it was created as a reflection of life in Japan in mid 2010s. Videos like this makes me wonder how a persona game would even looked like in current, post-covid, post-truth world if Hashino keep the ball on making another coming of age story set in contemporary setting. I think theres alot of beauty waiting in it. Thanks for your work with these video, again!
@Moricant
@Moricant Жыл бұрын
Started a replay recently and found this utterly fascinating, thanks!
@zaje3858
@zaje3858 Жыл бұрын
I just found this, but I really want to say it: Thank you. I always love to learn new things about the culture of other places and all of this really stick out to me. Thank you, and have a nice day!
@frohawkmaster
@frohawkmaster Жыл бұрын
I think Kameshiro is a very interesting villian who is marred by the fact that, as a coward who uses proxy, you dont see much of him in his arc (Which Ryuji even notes) but the idea of litterally using money as a weapon is pretty evocative.
@Charred_Orpheus
@Charred_Orpheus Жыл бұрын
I am only a recent subscriber to the channel but I have to say, this was really interesting! Discussing the implications behind these characters and how they relate to real-life was a brilliant idea. Thank you for all the effort you've put into them so far! It sounds like you had a lot of fun making it which is really great too! I shall definitely be coming back for more :)
@torumakalig5692
@torumakalig5692 Жыл бұрын
Very impressed by the video. I completely persona 5 royal literally the day this came out so it made for a good recap with context
@cvrator
@cvrator Жыл бұрын
This is exceptionally well researched. It looks like you're finally getting the attention you deserve.
@livefastshowfeet
@livefastshowfeet Жыл бұрын
The most powerful scene for themes in my opinion was the final dungeon. Having people turning a blind eye not wanting to think for themselves be basically palace rulers was genius and pointed out the big issue in every society. As long as people turn a blind eye and don't want to be inconvenienced, nothing can change. I am assuming this hits even harder in Japan, but even in western countries this feeling of powerlessness was conveyed perfectly. Humanity's ignorance would have been humanity's doom, were it not for the new generation taking charge and actively changing society (even when it's one small step at a time instead of killing a god)
@dietrichrache1975
@dietrichrache1975 Жыл бұрын
This is a great cideo. I had no idea how accurate all these P5 villian topics were
@Lapran3
@Lapran3 Жыл бұрын
17:47 Samuragochi gained some notoriety in the video game world for being the lead composer for the Director’s Cut rerelease of Resident Evil 1. Yes, this is the “Clowns Farting” guy
@TheMaestroMizerous
@TheMaestroMizerous Жыл бұрын
*Zombie farting intensifies*
@pinkbubble8869
@pinkbubble8869 Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video and am now diving into your P5 character analysis videos. Great stuff!
@tcxavier
@tcxavier Жыл бұрын
This was a delight to watch and very informative. Onde of the best videos on P5 themes for sure
@ninakrishnamurthy6674
@ninakrishnamurthy6674 11 ай бұрын
Holy shit! 10,00 WORK-RELATED DEATHS PER YEAR?! No wonder the majority of Japan's population is above retirement age!
@Sin606
@Sin606 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the real world parallel. It's interesting how much difference we have between cultures, but when have people with the same villainous aspirations.
@syruku1
@syruku1 Жыл бұрын
sheeesh, i really got see those character dives. good video!
@Brayver007
@Brayver007 Жыл бұрын
This was really interesting, thank you.
@samfivedot
@samfivedot Жыл бұрын
I had always written Kaneshiro off as "some cliche yakuza guy", but yeah looking back on it he doesn't have any ties to the yakuza and never claims to. I'd never heard about the rise of hangure and this video gave me a new appreciation for what he's meant to represent
@86fifty
@86fifty Жыл бұрын
Duuuude, I'm so grateful for your perspective on this! Thank you so much for producing these videos - I haven't seen your channel before, so I am immediately going to go watch the backlog of those character-specific videos. I just love it so much, this is SO helpful! Amazing!
@yoshibirdlegacy7855
@yoshibirdlegacy7855 Жыл бұрын
I just want to say thank you for all the P5 videos you have done. You have added so much to my understanding of one of my favourite games and in doing so have aloud me to enjoy my current playthrouth on so many more levels.
@lordthistlewick5711
@lordthistlewick5711 Жыл бұрын
I had no idea the story was so deep into the real world, this is a great video, well done!
@Viewtifulyoshi
@Viewtifulyoshi Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I always kinda figured Shido had roots with Shinzo Abe, but never understood the full context. I remember Shin Megami Tensei IV also had a Shinzo Abe expy that wasn’t… flattering either. I remember the American Atlus office did a livestream of the English version of vanilla P5 right before release and the hosts repeatedly said that several moments in the game would resonate with Americans. In all honesty, I wondered if Shido’s translated campaign message was meant to be evocative of Trump’s 2016 message. That clearly wasn’t the case.
@Vailsiren
@Vailsiren Жыл бұрын
yeah, that sounds more like those Atlus USA people decided to display their political illiteracy considering Atlus USA's track records; that's par for the course~
@eclipsesoluna3453
@eclipsesoluna3453 5 ай бұрын
probably both or it was a coincidence, but I kinda doubt that
@PoppaCYS
@PoppaCYS Жыл бұрын
This video was very educational and informative. Thank you for giving the cultural context to this great game.
@ryanthelancemain3871
@ryanthelancemain3871 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for creating this content. I enjoy listening.
@KionneSensei
@KionneSensei Жыл бұрын
Damn this video is some hot sauce on a perfect plate of chicken and fried rice. This is some informational goodness. Thank you so much, you made a fan of me.
@BrasorWind
@BrasorWind Жыл бұрын
Never knew I nneded your Persona 5 vids, until recently. I hope your health gets better and happy holidays, Lady Virgillia. Sending you lots of hugs from Mexico!
@napssleeping
@napssleeping Жыл бұрын
This was a fantastic video, and very informative!
@cuckoophendula8211
@cuckoophendula8211 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting how this video was recommended to me. I haven't watched any persona related content in a long while, but just came by from another video talking about the story behind Shinzo Abe's assassination and his ties to the Moonies. Great game and great video
@furorceltica185
@furorceltica185 Жыл бұрын
So, part of Madarame's inspiration is the "farting clown song"
@Envy_May
@Envy_May Жыл бұрын
this might be the most important video about persona 5
@ichi_san
@ichi_san Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, Persona 5 has really captured some very important aspects of Japanese societal issues and the way you touch on all of these issues is very respectful and helpful. Thank you! I feel especially bad for the youths, life is damn hard for young people. Sadly, there is a lot of Kamoshida like people in UK news too lately in sports and schools, e.g. British Gymnastics has many abusive coaches like him and people suffered in silence for decades and were very scared to speak out (until only very recently).
@louiesilly
@louiesilly Жыл бұрын
great video!!! i have only played the first palace but i was really looking for a video like this explaining the culture behind the game!! i will watch your other videos about persona!
@shelbybayer200
@shelbybayer200 Жыл бұрын
Each one of the 7 main Palace Rulers are also titled by the 7 princes of Hell as well With Kamoshida's being ............. Asmodeus the Prince of LUST (Also, his Arc on it's own made me want to kick the guy's teeth in) Madarame takes on the title of the Prince of Envy/Vanity Kaneshiro was the Lord of the Flies (Hate his dungeon) And so on
@jordank8935
@jordank8935 Жыл бұрын
I’m also a Japanese American, and I enjoyed the cross cultural ideas too! 😊 loved your discussions!!
@joaoartur19
@joaoartur19 Жыл бұрын
Extremely interesting video! I had a surface level understanding of some the characteristics of japanese society depicted in the game and discussed in this video (like the deference to authority and the basically obsessive work mentality), but seeing a much more in-depth discussion of these and other topics (like the phenomenon of the "hagure", which I had no idea existed) was very enlightening!
@dangranot5703
@dangranot5703 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating breakdown, thank you!
@ninototo1
@ninototo1 Жыл бұрын
What a great video. Thank you. By the way, this may sound odd, but your voice reminds me a lot of the maid teacher confidant from P5.
@SnPSFan
@SnPSFan Жыл бұрын
As someone born in Korea and now living in Canada, I could not help but notice the similarities between Korea and Japan - specifically the issues that are plaguing the young people. I too was accustomed to the expected obedience to one's elders (even the nasty and uneducated ones), and corrupt politicians in bed with corporations "too big to fail". On a more personal level, my wife has been struggling with her parents for much of her life. While it is still a work-in-progress, she has been attending counselling with a social worker for a few months now, and it has been helping. I am sure you will also help many people who are in need of your expertise. Congratulations on finishing one your studies!
@LadyVirgilia
@LadyVirgilia Жыл бұрын
NO WAYY...?!! Thank you so much! I'm so grateful for your generosity! 🙏 My cousin is half-Korean, and she often recommends me these movies and kdramas that focus on the sociocultural issues going on in Korea. I definitely can't help but notice the similarities as well. I really hope this social worker is a good fit for your wife and that she's able to get the support she needs from such services. Hoping the relationship she has with her parents can be on the mend/turn a page for the better someday. Sorry to hear she's had a rough time with it for so long. Wishing you and your family well! Thank you for sharing some of your story~
@sarahgalatea
@sarahgalatea Жыл бұрын
This was very good to watch! You can feel all of this in the game and other medias from Japan, but with the context and parallels you brought, it made so much more sense! Subscribed ❤
@CrisisMoon7
@CrisisMoon7 Жыл бұрын
This was a very interesting video. Thank you :)
@BrasorWind
@BrasorWind Жыл бұрын
Eastern games, or media, have always experienced a degree of values dissonance in the western culture due to their difference in society and culture. Maybe because I am in more contact with japanese media, like anime, manga or literature I can see some of those critics. While many aspects of the game's story still resonate with Western audiences due to its fairly universal themes of rebellion against corrupt authority, many of the finer details are lost in translation due to cultural differences, so I wasn't surprised when some of those critiques went over some people's head. But I was surprised that even I didn't knew about some of their critiques or their deepth. Your videos shows how Persona 5 gets this dissonance especially hard due to its very intense and deliberate focus on examining and criticizing fundamental aspects of Japanese society and Japan's culture. Or at least shows deeper meanings and the reasons of the why. As an example, I knew that bastardy is seen horrible in eastern society, but not at what degree or why. Good video analysis, Lady Virgillia. :D A must watch for those who want to enjoy better their Persona 5 experience.
@CommRio
@CommRio Жыл бұрын
Another amazing video with great insights into Japanese culture, Persona 5's storytelling, and why certain elements resonated or didn't resonate with Western audiences. Your work always makes me appreciate the Persona series more
@mysticoferis
@mysticoferis 5 ай бұрын
I've watched a lot of Persona related video essays but this is by far the most enlightening, bravo!
@nosoynadaoriginal
@nosoynadaoriginal 9 ай бұрын
I appreciate this videos so much! Necessary 👏👏
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