Persona Fans Should Be Excited For This

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Thalwegg

Thalwegg

Күн бұрын

In this video I explain why I am excited for Metaphor:Refantazio by drawing comparisons to Persona and Shin Megami Tensei. I think that the marketing so far has failed to actually describe the core gameplay loop and that if more persona fans understood that this is basically a persona game with SMT combat and a new job system that they would be much more excited for it than they currently are. So hopefully this video helps to shed some light on this games core gameplay loop for you.
Chapters:
Intro: 00:00
The Social Sim Half: 02:40
The Combat Half: 06:00
Action Combat: 09:25
The Job System: 10:30
Music: 14:00
Artistic Design: 16:40
Why I am excited: 17:58
Closing Comments: 21:00

Пікірлер: 90
@duckydonne11
@duckydonne11 16 күн бұрын
Bro said lemme play some of the main theme and I was hit with one of the best fantastical sounding epic bangers I’ve heard from a game in years, only for him to go “yea it’s good, idk if people will like it” I see your point, but as someone who thought it sounded incredible I was like uhhhh😅
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 16 күн бұрын
Yeah I think a lot of people (including me) will absolutely love the music. Just I don't think it's as "mainstream" sounding as the persona soundtracks if that makes sense. So on the whole when looking at the average person I honestly dont know how well it'll land. You have to be a little open minded musically since the bhuddist chanting is such a new sound.
@corruptedteka
@corruptedteka 15 күн бұрын
I love it myself ! But I have seen a LOT of people who dislike the style. It's understandable. Oh by the way it's the battle theme ( for when you have the advantage ), not the main theme !
@grapes9h5
@grapes9h5 20 күн бұрын
Been hyped for this the whole time but especially after the second showcase yesterday
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 20 күн бұрын
I have honestly been trying to make this video since the game awards lol. Finally found the time to make it and after all the showcases this weekend I'm definitely ready for it to just come out so I can get lost in it.
@grapes9h5
@grapes9h5 19 күн бұрын
@@thalwegg6535 thank for the video!! Actually a pickled up on a lot I missed.
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 19 күн бұрын
@@grapes9h5 No problem! Thank you for watching.
@anonwalkerr
@anonwalkerr 18 күн бұрын
I wouldn't call Metaphor ReFantazio a generic name
@phillemon7664
@phillemon7664 18 күн бұрын
especially since it's the only video I can actually think of with an Esperanto title which is pretty unique
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 18 күн бұрын
I mean yeah I agree the Esperanto thing is unique. This game was the first time I even heard of it existing so that's cool. The problem is Esperanto is still based on romance languages and the title sounds less foreign language and more a made up english word from a marketing team. I personally think the title is okay, but I think the consensus of the general gaming community that isnt sold on Metaphor is that the name sounds generic and really this video was made to target those people.
@anonwalkerr
@anonwalkerr 17 күн бұрын
@@thalwegg6535 I think the name is bad but I don’t think it can be called generic. I’ve never heard any game that sounds similar lol
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 17 күн бұрын
@@anonwalkerr Fair point. It's one of those things where objectively it might not be generic since I too cant think of anything named anything close to refantazio. But subjectively people think the name just *sounds* generic which isnt really an objective measure. I think the other thing working against it is the Title:Subtitle format that you do see everywhere these days. e.g. Dragon Age:The Veilgaurd etc. Also TBH I think pretty much every new IP gets shit on for its name almost universally. You have to have a standout name to not be mocked at this point.
@PedroH_Fonseca
@PedroH_Fonseca 17 күн бұрын
​@@anonwalkerr Just having a word derived from fantasy already makes it generic in my opinion.
@yansavalentine
@yansavalentine 20 күн бұрын
Bro switched up on FFXVI😂🕊️
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 20 күн бұрын
I thought about making a video on it, but tbh i couldnt really say anything that wasnt already said lol. I do have a video in mind where I might touch on it, but who knows. So much stuff going on in life to make any certain plans.
@stormtalksgames
@stormtalksgames 17 күн бұрын
My most anticipated game! A culmination of Atlus's history of games, I can't wait!
@gogojz81473
@gogojz81473 15 күн бұрын
The GUI and visuals are so insanely stylized and beautiful
@krishpatel7209
@krishpatel7209 15 күн бұрын
About the ost. You said that it’s departure from mainline smt and persona ost, but if you ask me the ost is quite reminiscent of SMT: Strange Journeys ost which Meguro did compose. So I wouldn’t say this isn’t completely uncharted territory for SMT.
@raptorskilltor4554
@raptorskilltor4554 14 күн бұрын
Tbh the whole becoming king idea and the removing the piece of heart glowing tattoo reminds me a lot of smt
@crash1108
@crash1108 16 күн бұрын
My friend has been trying to get me into Persona for like 6+ years now, the past month I finally fell down the hole (even though I had played 20+ hours of P5) I am just NOW addicted. I saw this on the showcase and was instantly sold on blue male Aigis in this weird hybrid ARPG/TB fantasy game, Idk why but I feel this will be an underrated gem and so I'm so close to pre-ordering, I really want it to succeed
@bigo6
@bigo6 8 күн бұрын
Getting it day one
@Christoph-ce4hj
@Christoph-ce4hj 17 күн бұрын
I see Atlus RPG I buy it, I am a simple kind of person.
@candyy12345
@candyy12345 16 күн бұрын
looks interesting, a mix of different atlus game features. will give it a try when it comes out!
@italothejunior
@italothejunior 15 күн бұрын
The music is really Final Fantasy
@ibt2811
@ibt2811 17 күн бұрын
It’s basically ye old persona but still looks cool
@dev1lm4n63
@dev1lm4n63 17 күн бұрын
Turn order isn't set by the player in SMT. The demon with the highest agility gets the first turn. Or at least that's how it was in SMT 3 Nocturne when I played it. I haven't played SMT 5 yet, but I will be picking it up when it drops on PS5 on June 14th
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 17 күн бұрын
Yeah I've only played SMTV and i played it a little when making this video to check and yes its set by the order of the party. Im almost positive on that. But after writing out the script i learned that very specifically the combat is specifically the SMT3 combat, which makes sense since that is the one that Hashino made.
@nightshade6693
@nightshade6693 7 күн бұрын
The battle system for me is like if Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy X-2, and SMT all mixed together EDIT: The game feels like an Etrian Oddyssey successor thematically. Personally, I an extremely excited as I am a fan of all the series mentioned lol, Persona, SMT, Etrian Oddyssey, and Final Fantasy
@user-zl1vf4me1p
@user-zl1vf4me1p 20 минут бұрын
I swear if they somehow try to sneak demi-fiend as a secret boss I'll lose it I've been bullied enough by demi-fiend already with SMTV^2 I do not need another one
@ahmedfalahy9337
@ahmedfalahy9337 18 күн бұрын
I do hope new sidequests dont pop up after clearing a dungeon a different sidequest The pain of clearing several quests in P5 Mementoes and the literal next day a new sidequest shows up
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 18 күн бұрын
That is one of my fears too lol. As a min/maxer I will have an aneurism if I clear out a side dungeon and then immediately get another quest to travel there.
@erikberg2893
@erikberg2893 16 күн бұрын
I'm a simple man, I see a job system, I buy the game.
@minoharuontop
@minoharuontop 17 күн бұрын
it releases on my birthday!!
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 17 күн бұрын
That is actually my birthday too! Very excited to have a day off just playing this lol.
@corruptedteka
@corruptedteka 15 күн бұрын
Oh nice !!!! Both of y'all enjoy that ! Pretty banger birthday present from the looks of it.
@Aenglaan
@Aenglaan 15 күн бұрын
Tbh while SMT is something that could be marketed fairly easily, Persona from 3 onwards is a harder sell. The games look and sound great. However, in terms of the appeal of the gameplay, isn’t obvious until you sit down and play it. Given that Metaphor’s gameplay is rooted in Persona 3, 4, & 5’s social simulation, I imagine that it’ll be hard to sell until it’s out to play.
@DMPLAYER1000
@DMPLAYER1000 11 күн бұрын
I'll definitely get it in a year or two when they release the definitive vengeance royal golden edition
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 11 күн бұрын
Rumor has it Sega is now pushing Atlus to do DLC like P3R. Of course I'd probably wait until we get confirmation of that after release too.
@PedroH_Fonseca
@PedroH_Fonseca 17 күн бұрын
Honestly, I'm kinda bummed that it's a medieval looking game. The reason I don't play much Jrpgs is mainly because I don't like that setting. But that's just me, and if the gameplay and characters make up for this it'll be fine.
@supermagnumable
@supermagnumable 16 күн бұрын
EXACTLY
@Aenglaan
@Aenglaan 15 күн бұрын
While I generally agree with your sentiment, I think the art design of the game looks so fresh that it doesn’t even matter.
@PedroH_Fonseca
@PedroH_Fonseca 15 күн бұрын
@@Aenglaan Yeah, you're right. And if they pull a Smt IV thing where there's technology in a medieval world it will be even better.
@corruptedteka
@corruptedteka 15 күн бұрын
If it makes you feel better, in the first presentation they did to explain the game, they talked about how initially they went into the project with the idea of making a traditional medieval fantasy, but then they realized those are dime-a-dozen, and had to rethink the concept of fantasy, and what they could do to really make it theirs. So now we have a world where monsters called "Humans" are based on Hyeronymus Bosch's surreal paintings, and people wear fashion from the 60s mixed with armor. The Archetype system isn't limited by only traditional job classes either, as we've got stuff directly referencing other Atlus games such as Devil Summoner and Soul Hackers. The world itself is a mirror to our world, which for them, is a fantasy novel. It's not really medieval fantasy, more high/epic fantasy !
@PedroH_Fonseca
@PedroH_Fonseca 14 күн бұрын
@@corruptedteka Oh, that sounds interesting. Well, let's just wait for the game to realease to see if it's really that different and not just one more game with a generic medieval setting. But now I'm a little more hyped.
@sheercold26
@sheercold26 18 күн бұрын
I am beyond pumped for this game. I hope its as good as Final Fantasy XVI is. JRPG fans eating biggg
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 18 күн бұрын
This really has been a great year for JRPG fans.
@Goodkidbadseed
@Goodkidbadseed 15 күн бұрын
Great video was already interested cause I like Altus but this kinda sold me
@JumpyKaput
@JumpyKaput 18 күн бұрын
Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme
@ViewportPlaythrough
@ViewportPlaythrough 16 күн бұрын
at first i thought what atlus was doing is stupid. they are basically branching out smt(the mother brand/) into different branching off franchises. but if you think about it, it gives them the freedom to utilize the same base principles and elements of the mother franchise to different flavored branched-off franchise. those branched-off franchises could then target different audiences and can be used to experiment without harming the overall mother brand. if the final fantasy franchise starts implementing this, it would most probably lighten the burden they are facing with it. final fantasy as a brand has became too big and heavy for its own good.. but if they start segmenting the mother brand into different branches, they could still use the same elements from its bigger franchise but the branched-off franchises could have different flavors. ie, they could now target those who liked the battle system of 16 and the battle system of 7r, both at the same time with different branching franchises. all of which could still use the same elements, all of which could have a character called cid etc without harming the bigger final fantasy brand.
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 16 күн бұрын
Honestly I would probably reword parts of your statement but on the whole I think I agree with you. The biggest problem I think FF has had with the latest entries is that theyve trying to reinvent the series with every title to try with mixed success. Whereas Atlus has basically said "Hey we do turn based jrpgs with a solid cast of characters really well, why dont we just make games that follow those principles and we'll spice it up here and there while keeping the core the same". This has led to FF having a series of mediocre showings (other than rebirth which surprise surprise was a direct sequel using essentially the same combat system and characters) while Atlus as a brand has really grown and succeeded. Personally as I said in this video I love the persona gameplay loop and I like their implementation of turn based combat so I dont mind that they arent necessarily reinventing the wheel here, and its also what gives me a lot of confidence that this game will at the bare minimum be good. As for ff17 I will hope that its good, but I think at this point no one can know for sure what SE will ultimately make and if itll land or not.
@Malignantt1
@Malignantt1 16 күн бұрын
Idk how i feel ab the music
@astreakaito5625
@astreakaito5625 15 күн бұрын
Rpg fans should be excited, yeah
@loselot6044
@loselot6044 14 күн бұрын
I would get this game if I had any clue what the game is like
@spoingo6986
@spoingo6986 Күн бұрын
They released two full in-depth gameplay analyses straight from the dev..? I hate when stupid people proudly proclaim their own stupidity like it’s some kind of argument against the world.
@user-zl1vf4me1p
@user-zl1vf4me1p 18 минут бұрын
the game is SMT style battle (press turns, so prepare your ass to get whooped if you miss a single attack), persona social links, brand new gimmick with "morph classes" and a little of P5S bits here and there. Truly the potential to become atlus best game ever, P5R in terms of gameplay already loses and the game hasn't even come out.
@PaladinLeeroy42069
@PaladinLeeroy42069 11 күн бұрын
Persona 5 Strikers combat crawled so action combat for Metaphor: ReFantazio could run
@jennifercox6541
@jennifercox6541 15 күн бұрын
Does anyone else think that the main character look like Minato/Makoto from Persona 3
@user-zl1vf4me1p
@user-zl1vf4me1p 16 минут бұрын
"That time I got reincarnated in another world after sealing god"
@jennifercox6541
@jennifercox6541 10 минут бұрын
@@user-zl1vf4me1p if it is Minato (I use this name to avoid mistaking him as Makoto from persona 5) and there is something that actually proves that I am legit going to say I called it
@ColinLack
@ColinLack 13 күн бұрын
I'm super excited for this game. But, I don't entirely agree with you that this game is being overlooked. The vast majority of people I know seem super interested in it. And even general gamers I don't know seem interested in this and will be picking it up day one. But keep up the GREAT content!
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 13 күн бұрын
I think the point I mostly wanted to make isnt that it isnt being completely overlooked, more that I dont think it is getting as much attention as it would if it had the brand recognition of an established franchise like persona. Its understandable since that is just how perople operate, but I do think that anyone who likes the core gameplay loop of persona will most likely enjoy this game too. I mean ultimately I didnt include metaphor refantazio in the title for this video because I saw so many metaphor videos that just werent getting attention, even when comparing to other videos that creator has made.
@ColinLack
@ColinLack 13 күн бұрын
@@thalwegg6535 that’s understandable! I enjoyed the video a lot!
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 13 күн бұрын
@@ColinLack Well thank you. I hope I didnt come off as argumentative! Just thought I could try to clarify it a little better.
@ColinLack
@ColinLack 13 күн бұрын
@@thalwegg6535 not at all. :) a lot of people take me for argumentative too because of my blunt and brusque manner of speaking. So if I find someone argumentative I tend to just bluntly point that out. I just wanted you to know I liked the video enough that I subbed.
@Dante1282
@Dante1282 15 күн бұрын
already preodered.
@reservistttt
@reservistttt 18 күн бұрын
dont tell me how to feel
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 18 күн бұрын
Well then don't be excited, that's fine too.
@phillemon7664
@phillemon7664 18 күн бұрын
it'll be GoTY whether you like it or not
@reservistttt
@reservistttt 17 күн бұрын
@@thalwegg6535 im very sorry i was joking I dont know why i said that
@emmanuelviveros3399
@emmanuelviveros3399 16 күн бұрын
Hoestly, i’m kinda bumed that we have these social sim mechanics in Re:Fantasio. I kinda hoped we’d have a more serious story with good pacing. I despise the fact that persona like mechanics and themes have encroached themselves into almost every game atlus makes nowadays. Notable casualties of “Personafication” i can think of are: -Devil Survivor 2 -SMT 4: Apocalypse -Soul Hackers 2 -and now Re:Fantazio
@DarkSeraph
@DarkSeraph 14 күн бұрын
They're a nice addition but do they need to be in every game? No they don't I rather have a game without them.
@astreakaito5625
@astreakaito5625 15 күн бұрын
Do people really don't talk about this game? Just because it's not called PERSONA, when for all intent and purpose is absolutely Persona 6 anyway? That's beyond pathetic.
@OhayouEdboy
@OhayouEdboy 18 күн бұрын
Honestly the only thing I would've changed so far for this game is the name. Keeping it as Re Fantasy would've been better or just calling it "Archetype" after the games main power like Persona. Metaphor just don't stick with people I feel.
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 18 күн бұрын
Yeah, I mention the name in my video because I've heard so many people say its a bad name. It just feels very generic. I know metaphor is the brand theyre using going forward so hopefully the next game isnt just Metaphor: ReCyberpunk or however you would say that in Esperanto.
@OhayouEdboy
@OhayouEdboy 18 күн бұрын
@@thalwegg6535 hold up, Metaphor ReCyberpunk would go kinda hard ngl. Instead of turning into cool msytical knights and mages they turn into androids and mechs lol.
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 18 күн бұрын
@@OhayouEdboy Oh as a setting for sure I think it would be cool. More so in naming I hope they get a little more creative that's all. I can appreciate the Esperanto but ultimately Refantazio sounds too much like a made up english word which is why I think it turns a lot of people off from the name.
@corruptedteka
@corruptedteka 15 күн бұрын
@@thalwegg6535 Tbh I kind of think this is what's going to happen. They've confirmed that the shorthand for the game is just "Metaphor" instead of a combining of the title, which kinda suggests to me that the next games in the series are gonna be called Metaphor *insert subtitle here*.
@john_7000
@john_7000 20 күн бұрын
Dude i have been excited for this game since they announced it 7 years ago, waiting 7 years for it so there is nothing for me to not get excited and plus people are just so one note they just don't like something different that's all, and screw p6 idc about that game i am really over the persona series, but i love the time management gameplay and plus anyone says the time management gameplay is a persona gameplay just really speaks that they only played 3 and 4 and 5, cuz u see persona usually doesn't have that time of gameplay it was just a generic dungeon crawler, until katsura hashino came with p3 and introduced that type of gameplay, so that type of gameplay is more of his thing so of course it gonna be in his new game and plus this game is an anniversary title and a really big thing for atlus, people who demand p6 should the the F up!! I am starting to hate a game that not even announced cuz of the people, and u said it if this game called p6 people would be excited just speak how biased and one note people are, but yeah i think this game looks better then any persona game and the time management will work different then a persona, cuz it focus more on travel and ahh i am getting excited just thinking about it, idk why u said the marketing is not good dude they literally explained everything perfectly, people are just dumb so instead of questioning the market maybe u should question the people themselves, there is no more dumb people in the world then the persona fanbase i fucking hate that fanbase and tbh jrpg fans in general, and also the music is gonna slap idk why u said there is not gonna he hitters like persona music dude the persona music is getting old now and i diffently love this more like the battle theme sound better then any video game soundtrack i heard , so yes people are just so one note and so dumb they just can't understand anything
@thalwegg6535
@thalwegg6535 20 күн бұрын
I too have been following this game since it was first announced as project re:fantasy. Honestly I'm mostly playing devils advocate and trying to stay grounded but I'm glad to hear that youre excited for this game. Obviously I am since I spent so much time making this video lol.
@john_7000
@john_7000 18 күн бұрын
@@thalwegg6535 I am so sorry I came out a bit aggressive in that comment, but tbh some people brings out the worst of u 😅😅 I really don't like when people judge something before it even out
@rattango9819
@rattango9819 15 күн бұрын
tbh, i'm excited about the game but not having the smt demons is a really huge turn off ngl.
@user-zl1vf4me1p
@user-zl1vf4me1p 17 минут бұрын
for me another big atlus game with the superior press turn system and everything they said it will have it already makes up for it 10 fold.
@RaspyCh
@RaspyCh 15 күн бұрын
Stop
@abel8831
@abel8831 16 күн бұрын
Unpopular opinion: Persona 5 is extremely overrated
@user-zl1vf4me1p
@user-zl1vf4me1p 13 минут бұрын
P5R is overrated, still a 9.5/10 objectively. SMT V is better content-wise (multiple endings, alignment, combat system, press turns, unique demon skills, etc), a 9/10. Metaphor Rephantasio if it comes out with everything as they promised will be a 10/10 with press turns, a brand new battle system and so on.
@prinnydood7920
@prinnydood7920 17 күн бұрын
Ill be honest ho I despise the persona mechanics in a game thats different then persona :/ It feels unoriginal or unfit somehow haaaa I might not get the game anymore Ill see... Also i thought they transform in those beings during battle not controling them from behind like all the trailers seemed to show :/ kind of a meh choice in my opinion As for the UI i think its awesome kinda makes me wish smt 5 got the same treatment the UI in that game during battle its just a carbon copy of Tokyo Mirrage Sessions and its disappointing ;C hoo...
@user-zl1vf4me1p
@user-zl1vf4me1p 12 минут бұрын
what is bro talking about? persona mechanics???? Bro if anything it's more similar to SMT due to the press turn system what is bro yapping about
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