The Try Guys NIGHTMARE: the DOWNFALL of Ned Fulmer… Cheating, Lies and what NO ONE is talking about
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Ned Fulmer’s cheating scandal exposed more about the Try Guy wife guy then ever thought possible. The lies, manipulation of the masses, secrets, deflection, coverup and more, leading to the downfall of the Try Guys as we know it is alarming. We need to talk about the manipulation and power abuse. Is Alex a victim? What about Ariel? Something doesn’t sit right in this web of lies and deflection…
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@Dij7897 Жыл бұрын
Can you cover Def Noodles self destruction??
@truecrimechick Жыл бұрын
^ I second this!
@sailoraries8086 Жыл бұрын
Is the silence/audio glitch from 7:24-7:31 just happening to me?
@MeMyselfAndSharon Жыл бұрын
What happened at 7:23 ? Editing error or is it just me?
@rhiannondoyle7388 Жыл бұрын
@@sailoraries8086 had that as well - must be an editing glitch is my guess 🤷🏻♀️
@amandamoore7512 Жыл бұрын
Ned’s SNL writer friend being part of that skit is downright NAUSEATING when you remember that means someone who likely KNOWS ARIEL downplayed and mocked her most embarrassing moment on NATIONAL TELEVISION
@heydirle Жыл бұрын
This situation is embarrassing for Ned, not Ariel. I get what your saying, I’m just wanting to reframe. People who have been cheated on (myself included) do feel shame and embarrassment, as we also feel the tidal wave…but it’s misplaced. We did nothing wrong. Why should we feel embarrassed? If anything, it is second-hand embarrassment for the culprit. Just wanting to put this perspective out there if anyone else is struggling with an issue of infidelity ❤
@lunacouer Жыл бұрын
@@heydirle That's a fair reframing, since you're right - you didn't do anything wrong. In this situation though, the embarrassment is that literally the entire world now knows she was cheated on (SNL is broadcast in multiple countries). It's bad enough that Reddit, Twitter, then newspapers covered this. It's now worldwide. Can you imagine if you getting cheated on went outside your friend/family circle, let alone the internet, the news, the world?
@Anonymous-54545 Жыл бұрын
@@heydirle embarrassment doesn't mean someone did something wrong. if someone pulled yr pants down in public you might be embarrassed. it seems like yr saying she won't have those feelings bc she "shouldn't".
@minagica Жыл бұрын
I don't think it would be embarrassing to Ariel that her husband cheated on her, that would imply a failure on her part, it's embarrassing to her husband
@minagica Жыл бұрын
@@Ethieth oh I see... So the everyone knowing your business despite it being a private matter is embarrassing... I understand now, thank you. And I'm sorry you and your mom have been put through that
@amandacollins7507 Жыл бұрын
I don’t feel like Eugene was so much closed off to the guys, but angry because he was really close with Ariel and Becky. So not only did a friend betray him but also his friend was cheated on. His history of having divorced parents may have triggered him even more.
@seattlecryptid Жыл бұрын
eugene seems like the type to process his emotions wholly privately and his friends / co-workers zach and keith probably understand that. that's how he read, to me, during the PR video.
@user-bh2fz5sf5e Жыл бұрын
Yeah but what throws me off is when do the best friends of the cheating guy stay friends and take the side of the wife? NEVER 🤣 this whole situation is sus. Personally I feel like this uproar on their part is all lipservice to their fans. I don't think they gave a fuck until the fans found out.
@nonsequiturillogicality Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Eugene has said in the past that he grew up in an environment where people did not show emotion. I think that's where the closed-off body language is coming from. He's upset, but he's gonna hold it in and process this himself, alone.
@sourgreendolly7685 Жыл бұрын
@@user-bh2fz5sf5e Never? I sure af wouldn’t stay friends with a cheater and stopping a friendship with their wife no matter how close I was with that jerk. Some of us find this to be a moral issue.
@elizabethlovett4318 Жыл бұрын
I agree those were my thoughts exactly.
@auntiefish4192 Жыл бұрын
The energy I got from the guys in their video was that Zach looks heartbroken, Keith is giving “I’m not angry, I’m just disappointed”, and Eugene is “I’m not disappointed, I’m just angry.”
@AstarionWifey 11 ай бұрын
Nah Eugene: you’re dead to me
@electricinhale1056 10 ай бұрын
by Kali Uchis yesss@@AstarionWifey
@casrrole 9 ай бұрын
@@idekemmmm i honestly think its more about the fact that he cheated with a coworker and therefor dragged them all into HIS bullshit.
@SJTJ 11 күн бұрын
Big mad, big sad….and big dad?
@greerzzlybear Жыл бұрын
The thing that gets me is that the try guys have been mocked for taking this so seriously. Like FINALLY some dudes in power do the right frickin thing and some folks are like 'Oh, well it's not THAT serious.' Like, dang man YES IT IS. Power imbalance is a HUGE problem.
@neryn9020 10 ай бұрын
it's the same people that go "Oh, that's just how the world goes" when people come forward with how they were harassed, be it at work or anywhere else. Because they view it as normal, and who would ever want to change what's normal? The status quo must always be preserved.
@Shivermetimbers90 9 ай бұрын
Exactly. Anyone who has been cheated on knows how big of a deal it is. Especially when you’re married and have children together. Your entire lives are entwined and it’s a nightmare.
@evee8462 9 ай бұрын
I hold this as the standard for good men in a similar situation. The try guys did so good in that video and helped along a world changing for the better!
@blondbraid7986 9 ай бұрын
Exactly. How could there ever be any improvement to anything if we don't hold public people accountable? Do those people want to go back to the times when feudal lords could get away with near anything and it was seen as normal?
@whenimonmymoon6822 8 ай бұрын
The reason they *had* to take it seriously is that he was having an inappropriate relationship with an employee, that's an HR nightmare, and the rest of them could have been sued for it.
@fluxifyme Жыл бұрын
When my ex husband cheated on me, his own friend he had since childhood cut him off and took my side. If a friend is cheating, it really skews your perception of them.
@RealElongatedMuskrat Жыл бұрын
it's a real betrayal of trust for everyone, right? Most of all the partner who's cheated on, of course, and I'm so sorry that you went through that. I think from a friend's perspective, it just shatters your perception of someone that you thought you knew. It's like they've kept their true character from you. And if they're willing and able to disrespect and disregard their own spouse, they're probably capable of betraying the trust of their friends in other ways.
@moirad3895 11 ай бұрын
Good for the friend!!!!
@carmenburton4918 11 ай бұрын
Same...
@chaosspy6723 11 ай бұрын
Had a guy use me for a year to cheat on his fiancé/ wife. I didn't know until one of our mutual friends told me he had gotten married. Usually I keep personal drama to myself but I told a few of them and they took my side. Eventually I went from sad to angry so I kept texting him, demanding answers and an apology. He sent me a voice-mail threatening to call the sheriff on me. I sent this to the rest of the group after explaining my actions. I should add that he doesn't know my real name and he's blind so he's never seen me before. This was an empty threat. Then I got angrier because this is supposed to be a scare tactic. I again demanded an apology and instead, the idiot tells me he contacted the fbi. How I ever thought he was smart, I'll never know. Now I have all our mutual friends and one of his friends he knew for years. I also tried my best to message the wife, but she probably blocked me out he did from her phone. Either way, I tried.
@MISSMADISONMEDIA 10 ай бұрын
He’s a real one
@samuelcareen5563 11 ай бұрын
As a queer person, it warms my heart that Eugene's reputation is as the cool, sauve guy and not just "the gay one".
@MISSMADISONMEDIA 10 ай бұрын
Did we really win? It’s basically the “one drop rule” but with sexual orientation. He’s bi so he still gets to have a personality because peeny vagina
@museemtarot4121 9 ай бұрын
He is literally the only cool one , didn’t even know he was gay lol
@meryamdjeghri7737 9 ай бұрын
Oh wow never even realised he was gay. I’m not a die hard watcher or anything, but watched a few episodes throughout the years. Good on them for not framing him only through the lens of his sexuality.
@floatingbacon3909 9 ай бұрын
Could care less if he was gay or not, Im just jealous of his gorgeous hair…
@user-hw3pq7hp7g 9 ай бұрын
He's always been my favorite, I never thought about his sexuality and knew a couple of years ago from tiktok, I love that he's so successful
@michelledoty4637 Жыл бұрын
An affair is not a mistake…it is a choice. Especially one that goes on for a long time…that mess is planned out carefully. It is planning to destroy your spouse. It’s ruthless
@MISSMADISONMEDIA 10 ай бұрын
I think people use “mistake” and “accident” interchangeably. If I bet on a failing sports team, that was on purpose but it can be considered a mistake. Cheating is intentional and the stupidity of it might make it a mistake. But making a mistake doesn’t mean you’re automatically forgiven
@elliesart_ 9 ай бұрын
yeah. I think all cheating is bad, obviously, but there's something to be said for a one-time huge regret that is dealt with with remorse and communication. in some instances I can see forgiven being given on the horizon. But 'affairs' - more than once, dishonest, unremorseful secret affairs - scum of the earth.
@magical571 6 ай бұрын
@@elliesart_ oh, no. they cheat on me i'm out. other things are "one off regrets". The bar has got to be a little higher you know? and i only ask for what i give myself aswell. If the don't have the brains or the spine to keep the pants closed, i'm out.
@chelsey8737 4 ай бұрын
Yeah exactly. I'm 100% not staying friends with someone who cheats.
@NicoleReign 4 ай бұрын
It is a mistake, it’s not accidental though- a mistake is an intentional “missed take” or misstep
@oniebaloney Жыл бұрын
Infidelity is no joke, I have just left my husband, we were married for 29 years, he cheated with his brothers wife, she was my best friend from being 17 (well before we met our husbands) her marriage was 25 years. This has destroyed mine and my bro in laws life, plus ripped the extended family apart
@betsady4076 Жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry to read this, I hope you guys are doing ok, you and your brother in law.
@kitteekittee4010 Жыл бұрын
God bless you 💙
@Vi_Vi_1 Жыл бұрын
Good God, I'm so sorry that happened to you. I hope you're getting the support and care you need
@melodygarrison8071 Жыл бұрын
Plus yes it's good to talk about the affair, but the fact that it was with someone who works for him, not with but for, it was a power dynamic that the other guys could have been held responsible for if it went bad even with them not knowing about it yet they could have easily gone down with Ned if they didn't get rid of him as soon as they found out.
@melodygarrison8071 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry this happened to you though. That's a horrible thing to go through and I hope you can heal from that hurt
@allieisms Жыл бұрын
I will say, Ned and Alex’s affair was the best thing that could have happened to Adam Levine that week.
@betsady4076 Жыл бұрын
OMG 💀
@sugarh2o732 Жыл бұрын
😂😭😂😭
@Elyse1111 Жыл бұрын
This comment needs more recognition😂👏🏼
@natybee8263 Жыл бұрын
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@elizabethrymer9213 Жыл бұрын
What happened??
@amandamoore7512 Жыл бұрын
“Jay Z cheated on Beyoncé so get over it” is cheater apologist 101 and I’ll bet Ned and his SNL friend made that joke towards Ariel privately
@falconinthedive Жыл бұрын
I mean. I feel like someone saying it's fine Jay Z cheated on Beyonce didn't pay much attention to Lemonade...
@theMoporter Жыл бұрын
Beyoncé in Lemonade: *smashing fire hydrants with a baseball bat* this is what it felt like to be a religious martyr SNL: well they didn’t break up, did they
@QuikVidGuy Жыл бұрын
@@falconinthediveOR 4:44 OR Seat at the Table THREE albums were inspired by that affair and each one was about betrayal, doubt, exclusion, self-reflection, and people around you reinforcing that "life is just like that, deal with it" But these are people who rush to defend their friends cheating on their wives, live on national television, so I don't know why I'm pretending like they pay attention to anything
@idekemmmm 10 ай бұрын
Proves the fact that shitty people will cheat no matter what. Ariel seems like the most gorgeous, sweetest, iconic wife. Beyonce is a legend, the most beautiful, sweetest, iconic wife. Yet the dudes who promised loyalty still betrayed those women. Doesn't matter what u look like or how successful u are. Shitty ppl are shitty ppl and will cheat no matter what u do because they're selfish and think they deserve everything.
@Nemesis9K Ай бұрын
That did happen and it’s still not okay lol
@harmc2301 Жыл бұрын
Imagine being Will or Ariel and finding out your SO is cheating. Props to Will for reaching out to Ariel right away and telling her.
@tarynayaun Жыл бұрын
ON THE INTERNET
@AMFibers Жыл бұрын
As an employment law attorney, I am 100% positive that their attorneys told them not to fire Alex and not to unfollow her. I'm sure they will (or are) working out a separation agreement with her, but those are always confidential.
@eevesjunkyard 11 ай бұрын
That’s what I was thinking too (as a non attorney). So far as I know, they can’t legally fire her because of the affair because she can claim it was coerced and sue for wrongful termination. So until she left the team or was separated from them behind the scenes they couldn’t say or do anything to her.
@hadesisbaby 9 ай бұрын
@@felinemoonchildthe unfollowing thing is more for their image. It won’t affect anything in a court of law. Firing her on the other hand, would.
@beautifulnightmare4308 6 ай бұрын
Even though the affair went on for atleast 5mnths(that we know of)?? I understand legality of the situation but I also feel frustration that she seems to get off the hook for also being part of the wrong doing just because she can claim she was coerced for 5mnths and in no way could tell the wife the other guys her husband etc.... What if he was coerced?? Does that not apply just because he holds a higher position than her??
@kari_haruna9109 6 ай бұрын
@@hadesisbaby if they suddenly unfollow her, they are aware of how their fans might take the information. So they were rightfully careful
@pearlosibu 6 ай бұрын
All pc nonsense because irl she should go as well. As for her, how can she stay on?
@justhearmeout3959 Жыл бұрын
I don't know if you're gonna cover the SNL parody of their situation, but I personally think SNL missed the mark. The Try Guys held their coworker accountable, something all too rare in our society, and SNL made fun of them for it.
@Kris-wo4pj Жыл бұрын
@@cazzie4231 that and the fact that snl hasn't been good for yrs and it's an extremely hostile work place by accounts from all the talent that was on there.
@TehMomo_ Жыл бұрын
I heard that an snl writer is one of Ned's friends. So...we probably know who wrote that sketch...but yeah. That should have been scraped
@leileyaravencroft Жыл бұрын
Looking at how they covered the JD/AH situation and other such cases that should be handled with care. Not even surprised.
@meghanphillips3495 Жыл бұрын
The way the remaining try guys handled the initial claims should be a blueprint for other companies, big and small.
@jessicamarshall1975 Жыл бұрын
On one of the podcast episodes Ned mentioned he had a friend who wrote for SNL and it’s been confirmed that Ned’s friend was one of the writers of the sketch. Not sure if Ned asked him to do it or if the guy just thought he was defending a friend. Either way it was really horrible.
@Fluffabutt Жыл бұрын
Maybe this is from my jilted child of divorce perspective, but Ariel’s statement to me reads more like a protection for their kids. If she does go to divorce court, her blasting Ned on social media could have her lose out on potential child support, and a judge could view that unfavorably despite Ned’s shitty behavior.
@juanitamullin8606 Жыл бұрын
not only that, her children will also grow up. In respect to 36:18, her statement most likely uses this protective language as her/her team know that when Ariel and Ned’s children grow up, and begin using the internet more and more, the news regarding their dad’s affair will be easily accessible. I’m sure if this resulted in divorce, or separation, Ariel and Ned will be open and communicate appropriately with their children, but the last thing Ariel may want for them is to see her blasting their dad among the millions of other comments. While we have our own opinions, at the end of the day he is still their dad and they may see him differently than we would, they will most likely still love their dad as they grow older, and learn more about this affair.
@prophetessoftroy Жыл бұрын
@@juanitamullin8606 came here to say this. This is Ariel being Mama Bear and protecting her kids while she decides what steps she needs to take next to do that.
@jakestroll6518 Жыл бұрын
Child support is calculated by a preset formula. It is NOT in any way influenced by the actions of the primary caregiver. The State does NOT punish kids for having an angry mum by lowering their standard of living. And unless there’s a gag order in place, you can say whatever you like short of defamation. To obtain a gag order from Family Court he would have to prove that she has discussed his parenting in a manner that could result in parental alienation. In English, she’s just trying to handle it behind closed doors. The courts have nothing to do with that choice,
@amandamandamands Жыл бұрын
@@jakestroll6518 It could factor into what the child custody arrangements are though, you don't want to be accused of parental alienation because you were mouthing off when you were angry.
@calledmedarling Жыл бұрын
she's a mother now, and mothers are always mothers first, wives second. Ariel strikes me as the kind of mother who'd rip Hell from underground and fling it into the sky with her bare hands for Wes and Finn, so it makes perfect sense that she's playing nice with Ned to ensure her sons are safe and happy.
@edithnackers7127 Жыл бұрын
Doing the podcast was the best move. They were able to talk about the situation in a more casual way, give people answers about the future and put closure on it. Not doing it only allows speculation and false narratives to be spread on the internet.
@leahbelieva Жыл бұрын
I liked their little rapid fire misinformation session at the end.
@pangkouxiong1244 Жыл бұрын
I agreed. It helped me process the situation and change as well as a long time viewer. 💖
@HulaHula667 Жыл бұрын
I agree. They may be a business an LLC. BUT they aren’t just the business, they’re people, friends with real reactions and emotions about this awful situation that their *friend* AND *colleague* put them in the middle of. And apart from all that, they aren’t a traditional company. They’re a company due to the size of their KZfaq channel, their following, the number of staff they now employ to work the channel and because it was the best way to a) breakaway from Buzzfeed with their brand and IP and b) because it’s the best and smartest way to protect each of them as individuals. Their audience doesn’t expect them to act as if they’re Apple, Universal or McDonalds (can you tell I’m not from the States and I’m desperately trying to think of relevant companies! 😂😂) they do expect a higher level of transparency and candour, which the Podcast provided without crossing lines drawn by the previous releases.
@duqial Жыл бұрын
I also feel like this creator kind of took what they said at some point of the podcast out of context, perhaps they didn't watch the whole thing but just some clips? Idk as a regular viewer of try guys at the time I found it needed and I believe Zach said why they made the episode at the beginning too, which had to do with them having parasocial relationship with the viewers.
@eevesjunkyard 11 ай бұрын
I have to say, there were a few takes Swoop had here that I disagreed with. First being Ariel’s statement, I and a lot of others took it as she was protecting the kids and not slandering Ned as she decides how she wants to proceed. If they decided to go separate ways, her slandering him online could have gone against her. If they decide to stay together, then she doesn’t have that hanging over her head. Her kids are her top priority in all of this. Second, the tripod episode. They had already been dealing with the situation for a few weeks so they had time to process their feelings about it. They wanted to answer questions the audience had and talk about their personal experiences around it while still keeping the legal side of things private. They are a company, but they are also people who got deeply hurt by someone they called a friend for nearly a decade. I personally took them not mentioning Ariel as a way to kind of let her have peace without her name being thrown around all the time. They worked with Ned for 8 years so they kept the conversation strictly to him and didn’t want to keep dragging Ariel’s name into it because she did absolutely nothing wrong. Keith wasn’t saying that Ned cheating is what helped the company, but he and Zach explain that Ned was the one who kept pushing for nothing to change in their content so him being gone opened the opportunity to try new things with the channel.
@neisovo8177 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, I agree with you, specially about the trypod episode. When dealing with grief feelings come in waves, them being more angry and upset during the podcast doesn't mean they weren't sad in the video, emotions change and evolve rapidly in these situations, specially as new information come to light, some times you think more about what you've lost and will never recover, other times you are angry about what's going on and why you have to go through that, even in the same day you can be in very different emotional states about the same issue. Also, what Keith mentioned also makes sense, it would be weirder not to acknowledge that all this exposure does help them in some way, because everyone can see it does, I guess this is just a situation where he would be criticized if he doesn't mention it, and he is criticized for mentioning it, there is no win here, it's a shit situation and they are dealing with it as a company, public figures and human beings with feelings.
@blsmcherry789 8 ай бұрын
🎯 yep!! I think Swoop went a little deeper with some things without the try guys Fandom knowledge, which kinda comes off as.. off? Ig. (Eugene's parents being divorced, eugene being close friends with Ariel, etc that shifts the pov/emotions for this). I get that happens tho and details can go unseen like that. Yes they're a business, but they're also friends and have always tried to be themselves and transparent with their fans.
@aradhanabajpayee9667 8 ай бұрын
Yes.... very much agree .... i didn't agree with quite a number of points with swoop... she's over analyzed it... she's being too hard on the guys....i don't think Eugene is leaving TryGuys...i think its mature for them to give him space to pursue his own solo projects while also being part of the team ...why can't people do both !?
@Spiltcocoamix 7 ай бұрын
Yeah hard agree. I also think this came from going into her body language analysis with seemingly very little context of the guys as /people/, For instance, I have no idea how one looks at Keith in the couch video and sees someone looking 'superior' because the measured tone to me very clearly reads as someone who is just /tired/ and has been dealing with a fucking firestorm of his livelihood nearly crashing down for several weeks at that point.
@natashamurray66 2 ай бұрын
i honestly thing swoop is up her own ass in most of the videos she has done
@leahalford5769 Жыл бұрын
What some people don't understand is that the guys aren't being dramatic. This was a decade of friendship. 8 years as a group and 4 years as business owners. They were involved in everyone's lives some of which were the biggest moments of their lives. And ned not only affected himself and Ariel. Will the fiance too. The guys and their families and the employees and theirs as well by opening them up to litigation due to breaking rules by fucking an employee as an owner
@LaurenAnne6 Жыл бұрын
Yes! And how hard it must have been to have to perform a misconduct investigation of your friend. The feelings of all parties involved are so complex and, I assume, unimaginable for most of us.
@itsamonkieplanet9367 Жыл бұрын
Ok but people make mistakes and he shouldn’t be completely vilified. He has children and people need to be mindful of all the stuff they are putting out that his kids will eventually see. You want to sit on your high horse ( people) Glass houses people. Ya he made horrible decisions and tanked his dream life. We need to hold ourselves to higher standards like swoop does for his wife . So we can all choose to rise above and find the lesson in this story so we don’t find ourselves lost down the same road that Ned did. Xoxo
@roseqore8073 Жыл бұрын
@@itsamonkieplanet9367 there are mistakes and then there are conscious decisions
@vixiestarfire Жыл бұрын
@@itsamonkieplanet9367 that’s not a MISTAKE. He knew he was doing wrong and made his choice anyway. A CHOICE is not a mistake. He knew what the consequences would be if he got caught
@jessigirlrae1688 Жыл бұрын
@@itsamonkieplanet9367 how is it a road to get lost on? It was a decision he made. He was literally in charge of HR. He didn't just have an affair, he violated the employee/employer relationship and RUINED THE ENTIRE employment reputation of their company by literally being IN CHARGE of employee relations while using it to create a relationship with an employee. How can you be a fair and unbiased HR rep when you NOT ONLY are an original creator/owner (which is already questionable) but then you are also the PR face as well for the "family guy". He literally is a villain.
@KatieKatt18 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think Ariel’s career is ruined because of this. Just Ned’s. Everyone loves Ariel and, when this story first broke, I saw her getting nothing but love and support from everyone. Plus, a lot of people want her to replace Ned as the new Try Guy.
@roseqore8073 Жыл бұрын
i feel so bad for ariel though. unfortunately, to most, ariel is considered an extension of ned. ned AND ariel. ned AND his wife. i just hope people separate the two so she can be her own person
@KatieKatt18 Жыл бұрын
@@roseqore8073 True. But, from what I was seeing on twitter, it was pretty much “Fuck Ned, we love you Ariel!” “Ariel you are beautiful and strong! You will get through this!” And so on. I even saw a thread where people were comparing her with Princess Diana talking about her revenge dress after her divorce from Charles saying now Ariel needs a revenge dress. Some even said the best revenge would be replacing Ned with her. Ariel’s done a lot of things on her own with the channel. She’s been working on making her own name and I feel people will remain behind her. I’ve honestly always preferred her to Ned, myself.
@CJMGalaxy Жыл бұрын
Ariel also has a whole ass career independent of the Try Guys. It's really pissing me off that people are depicting her as dependent on Ned, even Swoop - she was a successful interior designer before she ever appeared in a video. Like, not to jump to sexism, but there are some sexist undertones in how she's being discussed, even here.
@Punkrock.Chrysalis Жыл бұрын
Yeah but she won’t work there if she stays with Ned she’ll have to have his back over the other ppl.
@Punkrock.Chrysalis Жыл бұрын
@@CJMGalaxy dude I was thinking the same. It’s almost TOO much about her. The boss fucked a subordinate that’s the issue, he risked the company to so much litigation. ITS NOT ABOUT THE CHEATING. No one gives that much of a shit about that except children and people fooling themselves that marriage is sacred and all that shit.
@bimbominho Жыл бұрын
I don't think Eugene is going to completely leave the try guys, I think he is very close with Zach and Keith. They are all just doing more separate projects like what Zach stated.
@TKDDLJ09 11 ай бұрын
And Second Try generates the money for them to be able to do those side projects. I think he will always be an owner, but maybe more background owner, because he wants to do so much else. and those projects takes time and money, so he needs the try guy gig and as the owner he is able to take a step back and still get money from it, to fund his other projects.
@emshobbyroom 27 күн бұрын
:(
@emshobbyroom 27 күн бұрын
@@TKDDLJ09you were completely right wtf
@GraysonCW 11 ай бұрын
It's pretty well known that Eugene and Ariel are absolute besties, and I wish I could've been a fly on the wall when Euguene read Ned for filth, because we all know he did.
@Ainon735 Жыл бұрын
I actually don't feel that their podcast was weird at all. Just imagine all your plans and investments went to garbage in a moment and you are left in the middle of this sh*t show to handle by yourself. If I were them at first i would've been shocked and angry, but after the heat died down i would be sitting there and be like "well,at least this and that is fine", just to comfort myself
@jasiejam Жыл бұрын
She also missed that they DID talk about Ariel in that episode, so I think the disdain she had for them making the episode kind of blocked her view of some of the actual facts about it.
@amelielovesnoodles Жыл бұрын
Also I don’t see their comment about this being something positive as a bad thing. Zach was just trying to take a shitty situation and finding some light in the darkness. I don’t know Ariel personally but I don’t know how she would’ve found this offensive
@firefly314 Жыл бұрын
By the time the podcast was made, it was like, what, over a month since they knew what happened. So I would say this was a great discussion to be open and have some time to process everything that has happened.
@danaslitlist1 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think Keith is being arrogant. I think he’s uncomfortable and probably resents having to do this video (like everyone else) because Ned messed up. I think he’s probably using that small smile to hide bigger emotions or because (I can relate) it’s a default for him.
@eleanormason2647 Жыл бұрын
And plus when I'm trying to keep my face neutral, I do make an effort to have a small affect to my lips, it can't be just me that does that. So there may be a small 'smile' but that's to stop a frown or sulk from showing
@danaslitlist1 Жыл бұрын
@@eleanormason2647 yeah! I do that to avoid a “resting bitch face” look when I’m trying to appear neutral or not affected lol
@eleanormason2647 Жыл бұрын
@@danaslitlist1 yeah exactly, in an effort to not look blank and bored, a more neutral expression can involve a small uptilt to the lips that looks like a smile
@rainieday91 Жыл бұрын
loll i just kept thinking, he's dissociating or compartmentalizing for the camera
@pangkouxiong1244 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Imo I think the fckup was so bad Keith's gotten pass the anger and grief. Sometimes a situation is so bad and outrageous you can only smile and laugh at how ridiculous it is.
@michelledoty4637 Жыл бұрын
I discovered my husband’s 2nd affair 2 months ago (while on our family vacation & exactly 2.5 years to the day of my discovery of the first affair). It is disgusting for SNL to have made light of this. I just spent 3 days in a mental health facility because of how much this has destroyed me. My poor boys are so distraught, this hurts so many people. I used to love SNL (granted that was many years ago), but this leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
@bootybuttcheeks Жыл бұрын
I know it's your choice but you deserve better than that girl
@LKTori Жыл бұрын
I hope youre in a better space now ! Thats so terrible, but go you protect yourself x
@ArDeeMee Жыл бұрын
Please get away from that guy. He clearly has zero respect for you, and is fine with hurting you in this way. Find a divorce attorney and walk through the process with them, so you can acclimatize to the thought of divorce. It sucks, and it hurts. But it is for your protection, because this wil happen again and again… I am so sorry this happened to you. You do NOT deserve this treatment. ❤️🩹
@KarlaEmmerson 11 ай бұрын
I’m so sorry! And as always it’s us the victims having to pay for therapy to move on, not the evil person unable to get help for whatever is so rotten in them to cheat in the first place 😭. Hope your family is doing ok
@lissaC.W. 9 ай бұрын
I’m so sorry you had to go through all that. And when snl makes a skit like that really rubs salt in a wound to anyone who has been cheated on. It can absolutely devastate someone. Hope you are doing well now, wish you the best.
@mathisje7046 Жыл бұрын
I interpreted the podcast differently. For one thing, the Try Guys had multiple weeks to sift through next steps and emotions before it all got blasted across social media. For another, Eugene has always had a lot of peripheral projects and has continued to strike a balance with involving himself with the company and pursuing other interests. For a third, all of them have peripheral projects. I found it to be a double (triple, quadruple?) standard when Swoop lauded Eugene for his outside projects, which he ALSO has acknowledged and publicized on his social media since the "scandal", but portrayed Zach and Keith as insensitive for considering how this affair was going to impact their creative work via the podcast. It felt like she devalued the work that the Try Guys do, much of which is kind, uplifting, educational, fun content, and implied that Eugene would be better off without them. (I vibe with blasting Ned for all of his side projects with Ariel, though) Sidenote: I think a lot of viewers were able to pick up on the fact that there was friction, or at least less chemistry, between Zach and Ned from the beginning. It's clear that Zach did a lot of work to resolve his underlying [dislike] of Ned since starting the company with him(I remember seeing the video where they look into each others eyes for Vogue or something, and Zach tells Ned that he appreciates Ned digging into the business side of starting their company. It was a heartfelt compliment that also spoke to the fact that Zach probably didn't have much love for Ned's other qualities lmao), which resulted in the emergence of some really fun segments of the two of them interacting(the video of them frying stuff?). It has to be gutting to realize that someone you spent a decade trying to like was a POS the whole time.
@LieutenantSheep 7 ай бұрын
What a good comment. I think Zach probably had a moment of like, “SEE?! He’s exactly what I said he was,” when this all went down. It was probably a little validating but super infuriating. I respect swoop and her work, but I do agree with you that she was trivializing the try guys work a bit. They do each have side projects but Keith and Zach’s integrate far better w the company than Eugene’s because he works on features while Keith is able to bring Lewberger into the fold and promote them while also being a full time exec of 2nd Try. There has always been friction w Ned and the others. Ned was lucky Keith is able to seemingly get along with anyone and that they weren’t ever shown on BF wo all 4. He was just assumed as a part of them and they put him in a more administrative role for a reason. I’m glad Ned is gone. I didn’t really like him either.
@inner_kundalini 6 ай бұрын
Totally agree here with this comment and everything in it ❤
@daniellerichardson5900 Жыл бұрын
I think when Keith said this "helps", he means that it inadvertently gives them an opportunity to evolve without the dead-weight of Ned stifling their creativity. Despite the whole "Ned loves bad ideas" thing, it seems to me that he was the one saying "No" to the other guy's ideas.
@daniellerichardson5900 Жыл бұрын
Additionally, I think Eugene has distanced himself from the Try Guys because his creative endeavors were also pushed out of the Try-sphere, due to the same pressures. I had for a long time suspected that Ned's desire for everything to be family friendly did not include Eugene's "edgy" queer artistic vision, and that Eugene didn't care much for Ned and his Wife-guy BS.
@bluz1864 Жыл бұрын
Makes sense too because Ariel admitted Ned took care of finances the most and their older videos even confirmed that.
@mathisje7046 Жыл бұрын
Agreed! Having an imposed full-stop on production mandates a reevaluation of their content that all of the Guys have probably been waiting on for a long time.
@enochchaos9152 11 ай бұрын
This reminds me there was a videa which had zack, maggie and ariel in, may have been the junk room clean or something and zack put the video on private because maggie was recieving a lot of hate as was ariel I believe but Ned was mad about it and didn't seem to care about the reaction but just about the fact that HIS work had been taken down. I have a feeling he may have controlled more behind the scenes as we've seen the change between the orange and now neon(?) era
@steffi1833 Жыл бұрын
I think Ned being a co-OWNER is also a big issue. He wasn’t just her boss, though, she was also a self-professed huge fan of the try guys before becoming employed by them.
@TehMomo_ Жыл бұрын
There are so many LAYERS to the shit he pulled.
@grizzlyalmighty2 Жыл бұрын
The woman is at least thirty. Emotionally mature enough to have been in a decade long relationship. If a parasocial relationship truly got her that messed up she needs serious professional help.
@truecrimenwine489 Жыл бұрын
This is THE MAIN POINY.....
@falconinthedive Жыл бұрын
@@grizzlyalmighty2 it's not parasocial when he's your actual boss. Additionally, age has nothing to do with whether or not you are vulnerable to workplace sexual harassment. Women older than her are, have been, and will be pressured by bosses. Casting couch bullshit is a real dynamic in hollywood and impacts actresses at all stages and levels of their careers. But even if you want to pretend turning 30 is a magical protection against some dickhead with the ability to derail your career, she's been with the Try Guys for years. Since her mid to early 20s.
@violet7773 Жыл бұрын
Not only that but he was the company's one-man HR department
@RSkies Жыл бұрын
In regards to the screaming TikTok, I think they wanted to say both, and both videos can coexist and are valid The PR couch statement: what they wanted to say as a corporation, as 2nd Try LLC The TikTok: what they wanted to say as Keith, Zach, and Eugene, 3 guys who have been friends with Ned for 8 years, and had their personal, professional and friend circles completely rocked his actions
@Vi_Vi_1 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I saw the TikTok more as "okay so that was our Professional response and this is our Personal response" and those can both exist simultaneously because we really do have to have a professional self alongside the self that exists in our relationships and emotions
@knitwitchpgh 11 ай бұрын
That's how I took it. Like outside vs inside lol calmish composed and professional outside, inside everything's on fire and you're viking screaming your rage into the aether
@eevesjunkyard 11 ай бұрын
That’s what I took it as too, and was one of the few takes Swoop had that I disagreed with.
@popofpink11 10 ай бұрын
yupppp i thought swoop was looking way too deep into the screaming tiktok
@DeanPlays 10 ай бұрын
Yeah I'd say the tik tok was their "unprofessional, human being reaction"
@angelofdusk13 Жыл бұрын
The Try Guys have been open about Ariel being welcome to return if and when she is ready, and the community (the majority of us, anyway), would love to see her back. She's done videos that really resonate with the women in the Try Guys audience, like struggling with insecurity about weight, getting a mammogram, etc., and she's genuinely such a sweet person. But even if she decides not to return, she had a career before the Try Guys as an interior designer, and she can build pretty much anything (including a deck while eight months pregnant!). Her career will be fine, but I'm so sad that something that includes her friends and a good support system is now associated with her husband's infidelity. I've seen the take a lot online, and I agree--I'd much rather have Ariel than Ned. She's a badass.
@SleepySuperhero Жыл бұрын
Also, let's not infantalize Ariel. Everyone affected has the right to have their feelings and thoughts. Ariel has clearly chosen her path and approach. Zak and Keith can express their stress and worry without having to tiptoe around her.
@jerilyncruz5069 Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@eleanormason2647 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, whilst Ariel and Will are at the centre, let's not minimise the trauma and stress that having to come to terms with a huge financial loss and having to support 20 employees. Like, having to work around it all and ensure none of their subordinates get financially affected is stressful and on top of that it's by a long time extremely close friend. So I think they have more than enough rights to talk the way they did. They weren't going into any sordid details, just looking at the whole scenario from their perspective. Given how long this was going on behind the scenes they will have for sure talked to Ariel about what she's comfortable with
@adds_arts15 Жыл бұрын
exactly
@hagelslag9312 Жыл бұрын
Let's not assume she choose her path at all, as if she made a decision and this is final. She's allowed to let this whole thing sink in, then think about what she wants, and make a plan. It took me three months to realize reality when my ex cheated on me. You cannot make such decisions overnight. And I didn't even have kids. For the kids such things have to be taken slow. Even if she is leaving him, chances are she plays along for the children until she figured out what to do. What I try to say is, we shouldn't assume anything at all, and avoid any 'reaction' if it turns out after several months she's leaving him after all.
@SleepySuperhero Жыл бұрын
@@hagelslag9312 sure, but social media involves the audience intimately, and we as the audience get to have our feelings with respect to what is generally known and offered (insider info should always be viewed with suspicion). A reasonable person (the legal standard) would look at Ariel's post-scandal outing with Ned and their statements and REASONABLY understand that she is not in opposition to Ned and trying to repair their relationship. How disrespectful would it be then to ignore her own publically stated words given without any obvious duress?
@catalinacruz7801 Жыл бұрын
What I got from the TryPod vs official statement energy was that the statement was filmed first, and things were more tense due to how seriously they had to watch themselves. Zach & Keith were more in their element on the TryPod thus more relaxed, less careful about their words. Eugene stays careful about his words and other people’s feelings.
@seattlecryptid Жыл бұрын
if anything the trypod episode is a good example on why the pr video exists and why they didn't just give an unfiltered reaction to it. you can easily misspoke when talking about something (legally and) personally.
@leahbelieva Жыл бұрын
@@seattlecryptid exactly to both of these comments. Of course the teleprompted PR statement wasn’t EXACTLY what they wanted to say. I felt like the tripod was super genuine. And I don’t think there is anything wrong with them recognizing that something new could be born from these ashes. Ariel has her own ruins to sort through and that’s her business. The guys have theirs as well.
@unwantedInformation 11 ай бұрын
Gotta say, as a child of a couple where the man cheated - its better to get a divorce. Children KNOW something is happening and they can tell that a parent has been hurt by the other. It absolutely colors the kids relationships with BOTH parents.
@xelj3294 9 ай бұрын
I do think Eugene was very uncomfortable during the Try Guys' statement. In the past, he's mentioned that his family isn't big on these types of emotional chats. (ie. The genetic test video resulted in Eugene's parents telling him a family secret that he had not known prior) and Eugene himself is not comfortable with open displays of emotion (ie the saga of Eugene sitting on Keith's lap). I don't think he's mad at Keith and Zach, but I do think he's frustrated and uncomfortable and still processing his emotional reaction to Ned's actions.
@JennRighter Жыл бұрын
Ariel has been a business owner for a long time, and her business is not related to The Try Guys whatsoever, or to Ned. That’s a point EVERYONE seems to have missed. So yes, she indeed was involved in the umbrella of different Try Guys projects. BUT she has a business unrelated to all of that.
@jenniferbond7073 9 ай бұрын
Right? She’s a successful architect, she did the try guys office. Her career is fine. Who knows about Ned.
@meganwilson8601 Жыл бұрын
From the context I’ve gotten from things the guys have said, I took the “this might actually help us” comment as “well, we have to shift the content so our schedules and projects can be accommodated, so we might as well just do it now.” It also sounds like maybe Ned for a while has been holding their content back and only wanting to do the usual youtube-y content and not the more creative, eclectic endeavors they’ve been pursuing
@Trish0978 Жыл бұрын
Tbh, to me, in addition to that, I also took it as them acknowledging/being honest about the fact that technically not everything about the situation is negative or could be seen as negative. Kind of like, "hey look a silver lining"/acknowledging that them & the company isn't 100% getting effed over by the situation. I think that's better than pretending you're not getting anything positive out of something
@prophetessoftroy Жыл бұрын
I mean let’s be honest, Ned has always been the least creative of the four guys. Like he contributed, I don’t want to diminish that, but if you’ve watched them for awhile you know that he’s ultimately a sciences guy who pivoted and was a supervisor at buzzfeed who got pulled in one day. Being “Wife Guy” I think started as a shorthand for the things he brought to the table that made him different from the other guys. Zach is a filmmaker, Keith does comedy and musicals, Eugene is a writer, a filmmaker, an artist. They all had different skillsets to draw from for content and that was always going to mean that as they had more creative freedom, they’d want to pursue them. There was only ever going to be so long that Ned could use being married and having kids as the central locus of his personality. Even if you just go back and cherry-pick a few videos from the last several years, you can see the other three Guys brainstorming, making suggestions, having big ideas, and Ned was like no, this is our lane. That’s weird. It’s unfamiliar. I don’t like it. I get that I’m a person on the internet and I don’t know them or the backstory or anything, but having watched them for years, the tension that last few had been increasing because it felt like Ned was always throwing flags when the others wanted to move beyond the Buzzfeed-style formats that got them where they are to begin with. I can even get that-we know this works, let’s carry on and let side projects be side projects. But the danger there is stagnation, and I think that was coming to a head before all of this even happened. I’m sorry that it did. But I do hope this gives the Guys the opportunity to explore more of those avenues and experimental ideas that they weren’t able to before.
@rainbowbunniie Жыл бұрын
Their Tiktok video where they were screaming was clearly poking fun at the fact that there's a lot they can't legally talk about even in that PR video where they explained some things. It was them letting out a tiny bit of the stress of all that they've been dealing with. I really wish people wouldn't over analyze every tiny thing these men do. They've been through enough and like you said it's not them that is the problem it was Ned and they did exactly what needed to be done with him.
@rainbowbunniie Жыл бұрын
Also Ariel (and the kids) and Will weren't the only ones hurt in this. The Try Guys were hurt too in their own way. They have every right to talk about what they've been through as much as they're even able to. I also don't believe for one minute the guys wish this affair happened they almost lost their business, possibly lost their tv show, and lost their friend they've had for years. They're also still open to lawsuits. Whatever positive spin they can put on this good for them.
@RachelV. Жыл бұрын
I think the PR video was the formal, articulate, legal protection, when in reality they just wanted to scream, kick, cuss, and visit a destruction room and break things. I think they meant their PR video, it just wasn't the way they actually wanted to articulate their feelings because of legal and professional reasons.
@charmer129 Жыл бұрын
A theory about Eugene's anger that I have seen is that as someone who is from multiple marginalized communities, being queer and poc, he had to be incredibly aware of social norms and behaviors and the fact that Ned just didn't give a shit is so infuriating
@eidelrose Жыл бұрын
Also is parents went through divorce when he was a kid
@dontworrynotme Жыл бұрын
And Eugene is super close with Ariel. He took it personally, and rightfully so.
@minagica Жыл бұрын
I highly doubt "social justice" would have anything to do with it and you're just reading it into the situation because it's a lazy fashionable take. And I say this as a minority woman everywhere I lived and will live
@charlieseen Жыл бұрын
@@minagica And as a queer disabled woman, I don't think it's that much of a reach. I personally find the misbehaviour of straight white dudes extra annoying bc they act like they're entitled to get away with it, and half the time they DO
@minagica Жыл бұрын
@@charlieseen sure, but it's not something we should liberally read into everything. I'm a non-straight woman with health issues too and I clearly think that we shouldn't have all our emotions reduced to "oh, it's probably because you're a minority on some or multiple levels", especially since what Ned did is shitty regardless of his gender and skin colour. You and I are much more than queer women with health problems, we are individuals, and so is Eugene.
@ShishkinaOlga Жыл бұрын
I think their tik tok was to show that they are overwhelmed by the situation and it's very hard to put their emotions into words, but they had to do it. Like I scream into the pillow in therapy sessions, it helps to release frustrations
@ShishkinaOlga Жыл бұрын
@@shianna420 in my opinion it is harmless and not worthy of too much thoughts
@XJunixAnnexKayxScarX 9 ай бұрын
Ngl I think the little bit at the end with Eugene sipping *literal tea* bag string hanging out, tells us how he feels about the situation, too. Like Zach and Keith may hurt and overwhelmed, but Eugene? Nah, he's just pissed. He's ready to take out the trash and expose all the awful hypocrisy, but since he logistically can not do that, he just wants to be as removed from the situation as possible.
@aradhanabajpayee9667 8 ай бұрын
I think them posting that tiktok shows they are still human ...and feel pain too and feel frustrated too.. and need some outlets too. And they can't scream at the end of an official company statement regarding sensitive issues.
@shrutin5331 Жыл бұрын
You are terribly wrong about Eugene. Shows how little you know of him. His anger was not from teleprompter messing up, it was from his closest friend ruining lives. He is a child of divorce. His anger and resentment is not with the other boys, he is the closets to Ariel, he loves the boys who he saw as nephews even though he HATES babies. He is angry on their accord. He knows how this works, he knows how breaking a family hurts the child. He is angry at Ned for ruining the kids, Ariel's and their lives.
@SaintJoi Жыл бұрын
I thought this might be the end of the Guys, but they dealt with things transparently and made no attempt to excuse Ned's behavior and ousted him immediately. I think that refusal to cover things up is what saved their brand.
@Dominique129 Жыл бұрын
I would argue that Ariel's career is not over. She has her own design consulting business Fig + Stone in CA, and if she wants to she could branch out and do anything with tons of support. Great video Swoop! I appreciate your respect towards Will and Ariel.
@lilred7291987 Жыл бұрын
It's so nice to see someone covering this that isn't starting out with "I haven't watched the Try Guys content in years" or "I don't know much of the background". Why make a video if you don't know the info?? That's why I love SWOOP!!!
@BunnieOfDestruction Жыл бұрын
I don’t really think the PR “what we really wanted to say” is weird at all. PR is taking what you want to say and making it appropriate. You say all the right words to get your point across when in reality what they really wanted to do was probably rage and cry and cuss some people out. I think they were very upfront about the fact that they were speaking carefully so I don’t feel any deceit or upset thinking “oh so you didn’t mean that PR statement.” It’s like when people ask how you are and you give the “appropriate” response of “oh, I’m tired.” It’s not a lie, you’re just not going into the specifics of what all you actually feel.
@0928AyuDev Жыл бұрын
Loved this video! One thing to note though, as someone who is going though some serious trauma currently and has in the past, one of the ways I got through any of it was looking towards the positives, even in the worst situations. Like I do understand how it may come off to some people, but when Keith said the situation helps them branch off to do other things, I feel like that was one of those "this is heartbreaking and I hate this, however this is a positive note on that tragedy" kind of thing. Which helps me process the harder stuff a lot better. I don't think Keith intended it to come off any other way
@thegayathrikable Жыл бұрын
I think as a Try Guys fan what gutted me so much was that I stupidly believed the fantasy of Ned and Ariel. The reason why: cos Ariel seems honestly the most beautiful, smart and wholesome woman ever. I'm just a fan and seeing this on a screen so I understand I don't know her, but from what I saw I got why Ned was so obsessed with her. This situation just made me so sad but kudos to the other Try Guys for dealing with it so well
@lenlaegrim Жыл бұрын
Someone on TikTok said something about how Ned had the wife version of "scary dog privilege" (when you go out with your Doberman at night so nobody fucks with you) and how we all just trusted him because Ariel is his wife, because they appeared on camera together so often, and she's such a ray of sunshine. We gave him leeway because "haha he's married it's fine it's a joke", and that if he was a single guy he'd seem really creepy and a lot of the things he did wouldn't have gone down well, and it changed me forever
@babigirl9111 Жыл бұрын
@@lenlaegrim do you mean the things he’s said about his wife or orher things? I haven’t watched try guys in a while, if ever
@Anonymous-54545 Жыл бұрын
Welp, if it helps, my metamour is a goddess named Ariel and my partner has been obsessed with her for 11 years haha. So... SOMEONE is like that!
@Sleipnirseight Жыл бұрын
@@lenlaegrim I think that theory is spot on. Normal people who are secure in themselves and their relationship don't act/speak the way Ned did - constantly trying to remind everyone how happily married he was. One, it's annoying and cringe. Two, it's fcking sus 👀👀
@FIRING_BLIND Жыл бұрын
@@Sleipnirseight like sure normal ppl may talk about their partner a lot (I know I do) But NORMALLY ppl do that because they're really in love, and because they literally see this person all the time. But normal ppl don't mention them nearly as much as Ned Part of me wonders if he became the wife guy because there's literally nothing else interesting about him
@cinnamaqroll Жыл бұрын
I don't think the podcast was so soon. I only think it seemed soon because info started rolling out to us later. By the time the podcast aired, everyone involved had known for over a month, so I think that's something to keep in mind. Edit: I also believed it's literally. Up to them to talk about it on their channel as people who are affected. I know Ariel and Will are hurting the most, HOWEVER, they aren't the only ones who are hurting, and the other guys have a right to air out their issues about it.
@Cass_idy_ Жыл бұрын
I had a friend group, we’re in our 30’s and married, it became split into those wanting to cheat so they banded together and the friends that didn’t became the enemies. Without saying anything other than we didn’t agree we were judging them. Those that supported were “ride or dies” and helped them ultimately implode. It was awful but you find who your morals align with, who will add positively to your life and those that just want “yes” friends and when you say no they turn on you to silence you.
@geoffreydevereaux3272 10 ай бұрын
I don’t necessarily disagree with Swoop on this doc, I will say I felt it wasn’t quite given enough weight in my opinion that these guys were friends. That their friendship was betrayed. That they may have had a lot of emotions about one of their employees being involved in such a power dynamic. Like again, not disagreeing with her points, just… feels like this was mainly thought of as from a corporate standpoint. I know Ariel and Will, and even potentially Alex were the main victims in all this. But the guys were also harmed emotionally, financially, and had this impacted their lives based on Ned’s disgusting actions.
@sweetstacks3631 Жыл бұрын
RE: Eugene's body language, I wouldn't read so deeply into it. Body language isn't reliable, and there's no actual science behind it, despite what the "experts" tell you. Munecat has a great video debunking the body language experts.
@astridquarry1248 Жыл бұрын
That was such a good video!
@maam8104 Жыл бұрын
Yeah this video could have done without the body language interpretation part.
@poppygoodfellow Жыл бұрын
Ditto. Munecat did such a good job explaining the fuckery behind the whole body language reading business.
@FoxenASMR Жыл бұрын
Body language is just us reading peeps emotions from physical cues, you can’t really tell if someone’s lying or if they’re acting. Some peeps are good at getting the “guilty vibe tho” but it’s def no science.
@leahbelieva Жыл бұрын
Yeaaaaaah I’m not a fan of Swoop’s body language interpretations 😬 love her with my whole heart but idk. Logan with Observe (who is a professional body language analyst) always says that it isn’t an exact science and has a decent failure rate. And his analyses are much more vague and general where I feel like Swoop sometimes is like “his guarded posture towards Zach means he is leaving the company!” Like I said. I looove Swoop and her docs but I could do with less of these interpretations.
@tiffanyb4646 Жыл бұрын
I always felt something was off about Ned. I mean Keith is also married but doesn’t shoved how much he “loves her” in our face. And Zach and Eugene kept their whole relationships secret for a long time. It just felt weird to me
@JLynnEchelon Жыл бұрын
It did come off as way too much. Who are you trying to convince?
@tiffanyb4646 Жыл бұрын
@@JLynnEchelon exactly. It was just too much. I just hope Ariel is given the time and space to make the best decision for her and her kids. And I look forward to seeing what Zach, Keith and Eugene do next. They are very talented guys
@RebeccaBredin 10 ай бұрын
I finally watched this and have to disagree with your analysis of their podcast. I’m someone who had stopped watching the TryPod for almost a year because of Ned’s presence, and always felt he was getting in the way of development. I also felt that it was suspicious that Ned was not releasing his podcast OR cookbook separate to Second Try (both were published under “Fulmer Media”) The tension was there for a LONG time, so while we only knew for a week or two, Keith and Zach and Eugene had a month to digest and come to terms with the changes. The timing might have seemed soon, but at the same time, the Try Guys fandom is very parasocial and so they needed to be more open because the fans were going to feel betrayed if they sounded 100% like a business. Also, while Ariel asked for privacy, she was not the only one affected. Their brand was at risk of completely collapsing and they needed to let their fans know they were not only moving on, but they were going to grow even better. I felt both podcasts handled it exactly as they needed to. It’s nice to come back a year later though and know that the guys all do seem genuinely happier as was wished in this doc.
@godisacritter8571 Жыл бұрын
I feel like people need to really look into what happens to the victims of cheating psychologically. I feel like the majority of people don't think it's that big of a deal like yeah ots sad but in a couple of weeks you'll be over it... it's taken me almost 3 years now and I still sometimes have breakdowns, I still sometimes become triggered by suggestions of cheating in television/media/music ect... for a whole year I was unresponsive, I let myself go, I'd have fits of physical pain in my chest and I was so tense sometimes I thought my bones were going to break. I couldn't trust anyone, my ability to trust has never recovered. Cheating psychologically breaks you. Just break up if you're thinking of cheating, don't break that person, they don't deserve it.
@annienunyabiz6627 Жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry that happened, and wish you peace and healing going forward.
@Fuzzyfezz 10 ай бұрын
THIS My very first relationship I was cheated on, and it's deeply affected my trust with partners since then. Even my current who would never, and is aware of my paranoi and communicates wonderfully. I still have those doubts and paranoia simply because it happened Once. That was all it took.
@Seldarius Жыл бұрын
The vibe I’m getting from Eugene talking is not that he’s battling with tears, but trying to keep his rage in check.
@senpaijecho Жыл бұрын
it's quite interesting that people like John Mulaney and Ned Fulmer created careers around loving their wives, because there were so many men that made "I hate my wife lmao" their whole personality. And now those same guys are destroying the image of the perfect wife guy. It's insane.
@AndriaSilvaful Жыл бұрын
I don’t think John Mulaney made his career form loving his wife. He was famous and successful before her. What happened is later on, while engaged then married, he talked about loving his wife and people saw it as wholesome and liked it. I don’t think he used the whole “wife guy” thing as his brand like Ned did.
@Kb-gh2rk Жыл бұрын
Adam Levine did the same thing. Always acting like his wife was his whole personality and he did the same stuff. Now I’m worrying about the other guys who do that lol. Hopefully John Krazinsky and Ryan Reynolds are genuine cause Emily blunt and blake lively are goddesses who deserve to be respected.
@alexkasper5029 Жыл бұрын
@@AndriaSilvaful This is consistent with what i observed about John Mulaney as well. I was on Tumblr back around the time he got married and was always talking about his wife and stuff and I observed a lot of his mega fans creating this wholesome and pure idealized version of him that was not necessarily the reality of things from my perspective. There was a very stupid post going around after he was on Jerry Seinfeld's show Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee where John and Jerry went to this home decor place in NYC to buy a rug and John was concerned that his wife wouldn't approve of it bc she is very good at interior design and Jerry made a dumb joke that was like "all wives think they are good at interior design" and John laughed and that was the end of the conversation. The post that was going around was from John Mulaney megafans saying that Jerry was "teaching John how to gaslight his own wife" bc John's wife IS an interior designer and Jerry was purposefully demeaning her. This is obviously the kind of absurd nonsense that goes around a lot on Tumblr so there isn't much of a need to breakdown why it is nonsense, but what the post brought to my attention that I hadn't noticed when I had watched the episode initially was that John never clarified that his wife actually was an interior designer, he just laughed along. It was clear from the episode that they didn't know each other well yet, so I don't think Jerry knew that John's wife was an interior designer so why not correct him? The more I watched interviews with him and other stuff the more I thought that the fans had maybe projected this idealized version of him as the perfect wife guy that wasn't entirely accurate. I'm not saying he didn't talk about how great his wife was a lot, there were just other things he said too that weren't in any way problematic but also wasn't consistent with who these fans decided he was. Anyways I didn't know he had cheated until a few weeks ago when the stuff with Ned and Adam Levine went down and John Mulaney was being talked about along with them. I wasn't all that surprised tbh... Him talking about how his wife didn't like his female friends/didn't want him to have female friends was a big red flag for me on both sides: either she is super controlling or he can't be trusted around other women, either way not great. Interestingly it seems like Jerry Seinfeld and his wife have a pretty solid relationship which is cool. Obviously we don't know what goes on behind the scenes but the way he talks about their relationship reminds me of people i know who have a real solid foundation and actively work on their relationships.
@nikkicooper5256 Жыл бұрын
Cheating is such a crappy thing to do it hurts everyone involved. And I'm feeling really bad for Alex's fiance he didn't deserve this either
@jillianj310 Жыл бұрын
Also, regarding 1:08:00 Zach’s comments, I think it’s totally possible and valid that his emotions oscillate. They mentioned in the podcast that it’s like the stages of grief and it’s more a circle than a line. They go through the stages and then end up back at the beginning. I don’t think the emotion was faked or forced personally. They did lose a best friend and to some degree someone they considered family, it’s going to be hard. So I feel like Zach was saying yes, we had some creative and directional disagreements (that it seems Ned may have been the stickler about not changing) but the silver lining in a horrible situation is that they have freedom to grow now more in the direction he (and assuming,y the other guys) are happy to explore.
@bleak9722 Жыл бұрын
Well said 👏
@floof_croissant Жыл бұрын
I saw this somewhere in the vast world of the internet and I thought this summarizes their what happened vid perfectly Eugene: big mad Zach: big sad Keith: disappointed dad
@elizabethlovett4318 Жыл бұрын
Keith: Daddy is disappointed. Not Daddy's favorite.
@floof_croissant Жыл бұрын
@@elizabethlovett4318 no sitting on daddy's lap for you nedward
@AlexisC77 Жыл бұрын
I think everything the guys did was done very well in a professional aspect. I also think the “what we really wanted to say” video and podcast was an even better response, being that it’s more transparent about how they actually feel. The PR video was just that, a PR statement. The short video was the comedic relief. And the podcast was for the fans to know how they’re feeling about it. It’s better that it all came out as soon as it did because it makes it appear like the guys are processing just as the fans are processing. The try guys probably won’t talk about it anymore since they basically said all that needs to be said. P.S. I really don’t think Keith was going to say “help”. I heard “this hap..” like he was going to say “this happened” and he just stuttered. I also didn’t hear an “L” in what he said.
@sibvids9210 Жыл бұрын
I completely disagree with your analysis of their tik tok where they yell (around 53/54 minutes). As you said, they responded as a company. They had lawyers, PR, were polite and professional. I felt like that tik tok was them saying that, behind the professional response, they really wanted to be emotional about it. I'm sure they're hinting that there's a lot more they want to say, but of course there are legal reasons they can't say more. Other than that, love the doc and the analysis on the whole thing, I've always liked the Try Guys and I think they handled the whole thing so well. Edit: Also, I disagree with your read of the podcast. It's been a month of them dealing with this. I'm totally for people talking about what they went through. It affected them too, this was years and years of friendship. And they're trying to move on from this, I think at some point they have to try and find the silver lining.
@kathrynguy9437 10 ай бұрын
My biggest issue with this video has to be how weird she found any of their responses, like Eugene didnt seem closed off to the guys, he seemed down right pissed, not only at the affair happening but it now being so public because of how much he cares for Ariel. As for the podcast, it almost seemed like the PR statement was made before they got the whole story on how the affair started and the podcast was after they got more details because it seemed like they were pretty harsh on Ned and Alex in it (mostly Ned) which gives me the impression that there was no power play over Alex. That wouldnt make Ned any less gross when it comes to being her boss but that would make them less sympathetic towards Alex. In the end i think they did what they needed to do and handeled it beautifully. I know as a fan it was nice to hear a more genuine side of how things went down and how they feel in the podcast and they even said at some point that Ariel and the kids were more important to think about than them.
@PopcornPip Жыл бұрын
Hi Swoop, great doc as always. I just wanted to suggest that maybe it’s a bad idea to include body language breakdowns in your docs, especially since it’s considered largely pseudoscience by psychologists and the perpetuation of the idea that there’s a universal body language that you can read off of everyone is harmful to neurodivergent people. To be more specific, it leads to neurodivergent people having to try to force themselves to act in specific ways even more just so people won’t accuse them of being manipulative, especially autistic people and the like who naturally stim and avoid eye contact. It also leads to these types of neurodivergent people being falsely incarcerated more often, because police departments and juries find them less trustworthy.
@danijadedd Жыл бұрын
I agree! Münecat just did a great video on it.
@drake_diangelo 11 ай бұрын
I was literally just about to comment that her body language analysis means pretty much nothing and is still speculation lol. I liked the video overall but she definitely had a lot of weird takes that really frustrated me. I think actually think the podcast overall was a good idea and that it's completely fair for the guys to be considering their careers as well.
@maddiemcnugget1076 11 ай бұрын
This 100%. I've been screwed over multiple times based on "body language". Like... my body is just more comfortable doing one thing over the other. Like if I want to look away, it's because my eyes might be tired of looking at someone directly or I just want to look somewhere else. I will make eye contact if I find we are in a strict environment. Additionally, I used to OVERTHINK the way I folded my legs when I sat with my friends like "oh I should have my leg point towards Jasmine because we are besties and not towards Belle." I get that actions CAN speak louder than words, but that's more like... your husband saying "i love you" then cheats on you.
@bell7860 11 ай бұрын
Her: “Crossing any part of your body is you being closing off” Me who sits like a pretzel: “Damn”
@alim.9801 11 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for this comment!! I hate the rise on body language "analysis" online so much. Same the rise in people doing armchair diagnoses without qualification for people they've never met
@uhohspaghettios2391 Жыл бұрын
The guys have said they were planning to "address" the issue of Ned not being part of the company anymore but were hoping they wouldn't have to talk about the fact that he cheated. I believe it was Keith who said that they were trying to keep Ariel and the boys (and maybe Alex and Will, to some extent) out of the public scrutiny and speculation as much as possible. They knew people would speculate but were hoping the truth and the actual proof would not come out. I'm extremely biased because I'm a fan- with Keith being my favorite- but I believe them. I think they made both a legal and personal decision to try to keep what actually happened to make Ned leave on the DL.
@thebigkapowski Жыл бұрын
I'm curious if Will wanted it public to get back at Ned and Alex, and if the other guys knew it and were waiting for the leaks to happen. I fully believe that they would have done this in an way as to be respectful to Ariel and the boys, but I also think they may have realized that wasn't going to be a realistic plan.
@leahbelieva Жыл бұрын
Yeah he did explicitly say that! And I feel (even as a LONG time fan) that they have that right. They literally owe us nothing. If Ariel had preferred the world not know that he cheated, I don’t think we would be entitled to that knowledge.
@khaleesireyna731 Жыл бұрын
I'm really glad you brought up the question/conundrum of "do you support a friend who cheated?". While I could understand where some people may differ from me on this, I wouldn't. Idc if my closest best friend of over a decade cheated. I'd be telling their partner and probably never seeing them the same way. Because honestly, to me, cheating is kinda like committing fraud. If someone you thought you knew could ever knowingly do that, you didn't really know them. There are some circumstances that may not be this case, but your average "they were going behind their partner's back" type of situation, yeah, no. I see it as a) I'm gonna call you out for your dumbassery just as much as I'd expect the same from you. And b) what does that say about me if I condone that because you're my friend? What would MY partner think of that? So, yeah, I don't entertain that ish. You cheat, I send receipts to your partner and you probably lose your partner and your friend. Don't be a shit heel, maybe?
@selinesbeau 11 ай бұрын
And you now know for a fact that they're willing to betray their closest people to get what they want. You KNOW you can't trust them.
@khaleesireyna731 11 ай бұрын
@@selinesbeau exactly. If they'll betray someone they agreed to a committed, intimate relationship and (if they were married) agreed to financially, socially, and familiarly be a joint deal and they betrayed THAT person... yeah where exactly do you factor in the "how likely would you betray me" scale? Because if they're willing to betray an intimate partner like that, they'd more than likely do it to you, their best friend if they believed they could personally gain something from it.
@eg568 9 ай бұрын
If they make it once and feel very bad about it and regret not because they get caught, but because it sucks, I will be supportive for any decision their partner make, but still their friend. If they don't regret and try to make it like we all too dramatic... Hell no.
@ohhello937 Жыл бұрын
So them sharing that they are also angry isn't okay because they initially were "sad"? They probably were sad they had to fire Ned but with the SNL stuff as example it looks a lot like Ned doesn't give af & just wants to shade them. You can't expect them to just keep being sad & chill about him when he is being an ass. I've had a friend blow up on me then stop being friends with me, I can be sad about it but also angry they were being awful.
@smoreski Жыл бұрын
I read Keith as being uncomfortable in the apology video. Whenever I’m uncomfortable, my coping mechanism is to sometimes smile or laugh. I wonder if he’s holding back nervous laughter.
@stzyp Жыл бұрын
My thoughts, coming from a place of love! ❤️ - it felt like you were almost criticizing them for using a teleprompter, consulting with professionals, getting assistance with their statement, when that is the smartest thing you can do! I work in law, this was a good move by them.
@Cedsbestwife Жыл бұрын
I can’t be friends with a cheater; especially not one who engages in whole relationships outside of their main one… hard to trust someone who breaks hearts on purpose 🤷🏽♀️
@the_keeperofchaos Жыл бұрын
Honestly, it did help them. The things they've released since have been incredible. It felt so much like Ned's company for awhile now, and now it feels like they're working as a group
@kaskus7147 Жыл бұрын
Ned was the head of HR at the company Eugene's father cheated on his mother and Eugene has mentioned before that it affected him a lot when they got divorced. They did mention Ariel in the podcast. They mentioned that she was not going to be on the next You Can Sit With Us podcast and that she was welcome to come back anytime.
@melodychance9399 Жыл бұрын
Okay I love how petty Will is (Petty University honorary grad?) but I do feel very badly for him. He had already caught Alex cheating with Ned before, gave her another chance, but she and (moreso) Ned still ruined everybody's careers / families / happiness / relationships / etc. He doesn't get discussed a lot in this but my heart really does go out for him too
@britnysnyder4991 Жыл бұрын
This happened more than once?
@Jillberto Жыл бұрын
@@britnysnyder4991 Yea apperently he caught them cheating once and told ned to back off and gave alex another chance.
@samanthaM7119 Жыл бұрын
What I love and in my mind is the cherry on top, apparently Will is now in a relationship with the woman who told him about the affair
@LaLaSimpkins Жыл бұрын
“I’m sorry for the pain this MAY have caused” sounds exactly like “I’m sorry that YOU are upset by what I did.” 🙄😒
@gracekellman8049 10 ай бұрын
Aw The “kornfield” mispronunciation makes me so sad. He hates that so much :( this must have taken so much research, and that would’ve been an easy fix. Also he didn’t cheat with “a coworker” she was an employee
@MzAbstractMind Жыл бұрын
It’s always blown my mind that women will say “I want to protect the kids” but, the men ain’t have them kids in mind when destroying their home 🥴 SN: I need parents to stop staying in marriages/relationships “for the kids”. Kids know and it has a huge impact on how they will view relationships. They will think toxicity is normal and lower their self worth or devalue their partner…w/o even realizing it. It’s sooo detrimental and creates a bad cycle that goes on for generation!
@kaydenvega4635 11 ай бұрын
I agree completely but not many people see it that way and it affects their children in horrible ways because they think they're doing the right thing.
@mickeytamakesmusic 11 ай бұрын
Yeah. I would legit have rather seen my parent’s divorced and either happily single or in healthy relationships than what I endured growing up and still see now (as I live with them due to illness, and they refuse to divorce because of their cult). Children and teenagers aren’t stupid. And it’s incredibly traumatizing hearing/seeing yelling and shoving throwing things every other day, having your parents speak to each other through you, asking you at 13 what they should do about their marriage, etc etc etc.
@MISSMADISONMEDIA 10 ай бұрын
They’re gonna be mad about this one but you’re right
@MISSMADISONMEDIA 10 ай бұрын
People don’t care about future generations and patterns, they just want maximum control in their own lifetime. The kids are just side characters in THEIR story. A souvenir from THEIR relationship. It’s so disgusting don’t get me started
@nats423 Жыл бұрын
I interpreted the "this gives us the opportunity to shift our content" comment less as 'the affair' but rather the 'getting rid of Ned', indicating that perhaps he was the barrier to them integrating their outside projects into Try content. am I the only one? I didn't think they were saying the affair was good for them
@kayleeray2974 Жыл бұрын
that’s exactly what he meant
@beccac6812 8 ай бұрын
Seeing Ned walking down the street smiling a week after all This shit came out made me SO mad. He will keep his family and his wealth and Alex will lose everything and it’s fucked up.
@lillieanne9482 7 ай бұрын
Darling, don't forget that she too, cheated. She is just as guilty as Ned so, her loosing everything doesn't sound so bad. But I don't think Ned's work is gonna be the same, at least I hope he gets affected at least alittle for what he did to his poor wife.
@izstrkv Жыл бұрын
ned and john mullaney being exposed as cheating pieces of shit really proved how disingenuous the whole "wife guy" schtick is and i'm honestly surprised i kind of fell for it?? like, they were both pretty beloved because of it (despite how saccharine it all appears in hindsight) so finding out about their awful actions was genuinely shocking and left me super disillusioned.
@strawbmouse3615 Жыл бұрын
And when we needed her most, she arrived with even more info than we deserve. A thorough fact-checking gal indeed! Love your content swoop!!! Can't wait to hear your take on this whole malarky ♥️
@CaseyAvalon Жыл бұрын
Straight up! SWOOP is the shit
@yaniwet Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same!! I don’t know them but they are all over the news. I needed swoop to tell me everything 🥰
@nightlyoko626 Жыл бұрын
The fact Ned has people defending him and his actions is insane fucckkk I feel so so so bad for his wife and kids. And let’s not forget Will too. Hopefully he’s okay too. : (
@heydirle Жыл бұрын
I haven’t seen anyone defending him! What are they saying ?
@sourgreendolly7685 Жыл бұрын
@@heydirle There are people saying everyone cheats and/or insisting that people bothered by this “mistake” are acting like they’re above others. It’s mind boggling
@eevesjunkyard Жыл бұрын
@@heydirle even here in the comments there are people saying that he shouldn’t be removed from the company over a “mistake”. I’ve also seen comments in other feeds about how they “screwed him over by kicking him out of the company”. It’s weird that people are defending him.
@bluz1864 Жыл бұрын
@@heydirle I've seen some people say that we're all holier than thou for judging him harshly for a mistake and that we should all just forgive and let it go.
@alexfoster3101 Жыл бұрын
Tbh, I don't think it's weird that they talked about the situation on the podcast so soon after their official announcement- Because they mentioned how people were coming up to everyone who has any sort of relationship to them to ask questions. If they hadn't covered this, then people would have been certain there was more, and there would be even less room for those involved to make things right for themselves. I also don't think Eugene is about to leave the try guys- Despite his separation and how busy he is, he still made the effort to make sure he was there to represent the try guys. I think they will be a different channel, and will have more focus on showcasing interacting with others, but I don't think this is the beginning of the end. I think it's more likely that this will give them the room to change and grow like they've been trying to for quite a while- Because through it all, the only person who never strayed from the original content style was Ned- and now I kind of wonder if maybe he was a driving force in trying to keep their channel the same. But they've been trying to incorporate new things since they left buzzfeed, and that decision was all about being able to balance both their new try family, and the other things they wanted to do- Eugene going to do his solo projects was always in the plan. The only one whose content hasn't changed since Buzzfeed is Ned- Who on buzzfeed did content with the try guys and about relationships. And after buzzfeed did content with the try guys and about relationships. And they did cover how even though this was a popularity boost for their channel, they wanted none of it. Which is why I don't mind that Keith slipped and said it helped- because they tried to keep it quiet and just edge ned out without using the situation for their gain.
@RD-py9sv 9 ай бұрын
As someone who has been best friends with a Korean of my own, Eugene is 100% piiiiiiissed off in that sofa video. He's struggling to keep it civil-ish, but that betrayal turned Ned down to a level of someone who only deserves contempt. Behind the scenes, he's probably willing to bend into a pretzel to support the wronged people. It's a very Asian way to handle so many negative emotions while needing to maintain calm in front of others. For him to show anger at all really speaks to the level of that. It makes me wonder if they've kept him away from Ned because they knew he'd lay him out flat the instant he saw him. Eugene hasn't had an outlet to express his feelings in a satisfying way, so it's still bottled in. He still hasn't if his absence from the podcast thing is anything to read into. Legal and PR wouldn't want him at that microphone. I really hope the people who are involved get everything they deserve. Ariel (and Will) deserve any and all the support they need to deal with all the bullfuckery left in the wake of Ned and Alex's choices. And if Alex was the victim of coercion, may Ariel be given the strength to not go full Asian and send Ned straight to Jesus. ETA: If my friend was capable of making the choice, I would tell them to come clean or I will. My friends know my cheating rule is one and done. My ex-husband found out I wasn't bluffing. He's lucky I didn't let my dad take him deep sea fishing like he wanted. I might be able to continue the friendship later, but it would never be the same. Bring on the kitties.
@rondeeshalee8927 Жыл бұрын
In regards to Eugene's anger, I've also seen people say that he and his partner have a very close relationship with Ned and Ariel. Like more so than the other 2 Try Guys. So his anger comes from being so intertwined with them and their family and their family dynamic and so he feels it more as his close friend betraying another close friend and it just leads to more anger and frustration at the entire situation. Not sure how true that us but I've seen a lot of people mention it
@annavictrix Жыл бұрын
IMO Ariel isn’t protecting Ned, just being cautious with her words, knowing her children will see it one day; and BIG ALSO she still has to co-parent with him no matter what. That’s what they could be “working on working out.” (But I also think he set up that pap video and caught Ariel by surprise for his benefit.)
@emilythomas9012 Жыл бұрын
I feel like Keith saying this situation "helps" them was just his attempt at looking at the bright side. Their company and most of the projects they were working on now need to be completely revised or discarded. He was probably just trying to remind himself, as he has probably done countless times over the past few months, that maybe there's still a way forward after this and there is a silver lining. I don't think it came across insensitive towards Ariel at all, the Try Guys have been incredibly respectful and supportive towards her.
@MissCaraMint 10 ай бұрын
There was not just days between the or statement and the podcast. It was weeks if I remember correctly. That’s time they spent processing both their own feelings and the reactions from the community at large. That makes a whole lot of difference to how this all went down.
@CJMGalaxy Жыл бұрын
I was wondering if you'd cover this, and... I gotta say, most of it was good, but I didn't appreciate your speculation on the other guys and wish you'd done a little more research. A, Ariel has a full career outside the Try Guys, so reducing her to being dependent on Ned was strange. B, the uncharitable body language speculation, especially regarding Eugene, was completely unwarranted. C, Eugene has been open about working on other stuff for years, they even talked about how his work duties and pay at the company was different because of his different availability. If it meant he was leaving the company, he'd be gone by now. The only secret part was what those projects were. D, about the podcast episode? They DID mention Ariel, specifically in regards to You Can Sit With Us - they said they're giving her time and space for now, and they repeatedly mentioned the family and people at the heart of this without using names. And frowning on them for not bringing up Ariel enough when Ariel asked for privacy is a bit contradictory. And faulting them for doing some basic "look on the bright side" talk is weird, too. Idk, a lot of this seemed uncharacteristically under informed and uncharitable.
@bej7784 Жыл бұрын
I had the same feeling. The podcast also dropped like a week after this all started going viral, which in internet time is forever. The more time that passed, the more people speculated.
@Val-zu5hz Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I'm still in the first quarter of the video, but my attention span must dive down to the comments, and I've been seeing a lot of this similar critiques. Speculation and not knowing about Ariel's whole career feel counter to the "sleuthing" and "deep dive" angle. Actually, also somewhat counter to wanting to center Ariel, though I appreciate that that was something actively mentioned in the video
@CJMGalaxy Жыл бұрын
@@Val-zu5hz yeah, I get and appreciate Swoop reminding *us* that Ariel is the one affected by it, but calling out the guys for not centering her on the podcast when she specifically asked for privacy is just not cool. And it seemed like because they responded as a company, Swoop took that to mean they couldn't also react as people who were affected by it. At the end of the day, they are people whose lives were massively affected by this, and they should get to talk about that.
@jessislistless Жыл бұрын
I was very disappointed by some of the speculation here too. The "analysis" of Ariel's statement was a big turn off for. But then we can all have different opinions on the same material.
@feelslikegold09 Жыл бұрын
I feel like swoop was very unfair towards the other Guys during the official statement/tiktok they posted tbh. I haven’t gotten to the podcast part yet but just how she was criticizing the title of the TikTok they posted… come on. It’s not that deep.
@melaniemagolan2241 Жыл бұрын
The podcast actually makes sense to me because of the weird dichotomy that you alluded to. They are a business, but they are also people. The statement video was the BUSINESS statement. That was from 2nd Try LLC. The podcast was from them as people. I think that was probably something they felt was warranted because everyone could detect the 4th member of the official video, Mr. Tele Prompter. I think the difference in attitude between the two can be attributed to them being in different places emotionally after some time has passed. Especially given what Keith says in the podcast about the stages of grief being cyclical. There are probably days where they’re angry about what Ned did to them, there are probably days where they’re sad about losing what they thought was a very close relationship, only to be betrayed and screwed over and probably lied to. For MONTHS, if not longer. I think the screaming video was their way of fully acknowledging that the statement video was scripted by lawyers and PR experts. Those experts took that scream and turned it into words.
@MissCaraMint 10 ай бұрын
Well the screaming video was also probably an outlet for stress. They were working behind the scenes on this fir a while before the story broke.
@alexkasper5029 Жыл бұрын
i'm sure others in the comments have said this but in the initial days of the scandal coming out there was a lot of talk about how extreme a reaction it was to fire Ned just for cheating and i know a lot of their fans are younger and may not realize that a lot of larger companies would have fired Ned for what he did and have policies in place that allow them to do so. at Starbucks for example, if a shift supervisor starts dating a barista that isn't okay, you won't get fired but you will most likely get transferred to a different store. power imbalance in the workplace isn't something that companies want to risk happening bc it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. my sister is an employment lawyer, usually defense, and she has dealt with a ton of cases where an employee ends up in a relationship with a superior, whether they are having an affair or not, and it ends badly and legal chaos ensues. when it is an affair it is always worse bc the catalyst is often that the person in a relationship decides the affair needs to end. the Try Guys have such a small business in comparison to a lot of the businesses my sister has represented, but that almost makes it worse bc literally everyone is impacted. if Ned and Alex's relationship hadn't been exposed when it was, it could have been so much worse. the way they handled things so quickly and professionally shows that they aren't messing around when it comes to professional conduct policies, but yeah, it was not an overreaction AT ALL to get Ned out ASAP.
@NoaTugy Жыл бұрын
I hope Eugene will only take a break and won't leave the Try Guys because I really love his interactions with them, especially with Keith. I think in general the guys wants to focus on their own thing and less of the brand.
@Zxgrhexbj Жыл бұрын
Can we also talk about how former buzzfeed coworkers started coming out and saying sh*t like “I’m talking to people I haven’t talked to in years” or “yeah I never liked Ned” and it’s like yeah great happy to hear that someone’s marriage and engagement ending/being damaged could bring you all together to gossip.
@babydolI Жыл бұрын
you’re so right, it’s so sad
@seattlecryptid Жыл бұрын
Hope all the group chats were worth it for them at the expense of Ariel. 🙄
@heathercoffey6 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 💯
@makaylamcmichael2471 Жыл бұрын
@@seattlecryptid Hey 👋🏽 I’m
@jessigirlrae1688 Жыл бұрын
How is that different then you coming to watch this video to basically be entertained from this drama? You are not so high and mighty.
@Thegiddyowl Жыл бұрын
I know it’s gonna be spicy when Swoop’s got the evil eye necklace out 😂
@PettyUniversity Жыл бұрын
Hahahahahaha
@Karma_616 Жыл бұрын
I wanna know where I can get that necklace!! lol
@kaida6533 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know, I felt like the Try guys were justified in their response podcast wise. The members at second try had known for almost a month, so it wasn’t as rushed as it seemed to the general public. They also did discuss respecting Ariel and her privacy. I feel that they also as people who have had a friend backstab them and as business owners that have lost a lot of money do have a place to discuss their feelings and reactions to the situation.
@robinbliss6513 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for stating that Ariel has the right to react however she wants to react for herself and her family. It is her decision and hers alone. If she chooses to work on her marriage and use this crap to build a stronger relationship, that is for her to decide, as the risks and consequences for doing so are also hers. Send her love and support, but don’t tell her what to do. She is a grown ass woman and can make her own decisions. Support her no matter what because she is awesome. And she is asking for privacy, so I have resolved to not tune into any more gossip about her relationship or Ned Fulmer. Still a fan of the Try Guys because they make me laugh, and right now I need to laugh.
@booxluvx3 Жыл бұрын
During the podcast, when Keith said that "this helped" I took it that Ned being gone helps them grow and change their company not the affair.
@MissCaraMint 10 ай бұрын
Yes exactly
@MJHutchinson4 Жыл бұрын
I was in a very similar situation when my ex husband cheated on me with a coworker. I was pregnant at the time. Most of our friends slowly vanished after watching the train wreck play out . I received very little support in the long run. My ex’s best friend is still his best friend though, and acts like nothing happened. I have been sort of fascinated with this entire situation though. It makes me feel better that people do actually face very real consequences for this behavior. My ex was lucky and has hardly any beside now having to pay child support.
@MachineGunKelsey Жыл бұрын
When one of my friends cheated, I try to talk to them and figure out why they cheated and help them understand why it was so hurtful. It seemed to work but after the fourth or fifth time of the same story, I cut them off because they showed no desire to actually change. I could no longer condone their behaviors and I didn’t want any association to those behaviors
@laurenvorreiter544 Жыл бұрын
I think they had to do a podcast episode addressing it because they have contractual obligations with the podcast sponsors. I think it might have been weirder to not talk about it all. Their podcast is usually pretty casual and more personal than their produced videos.
@jackiesparrow919 Жыл бұрын
What I got from the podcast is that a certain someone no longer in the group may have been hesitant to change content format. And that’s what they meant by trying to go forth in different directions
@kathleenmcculloch2315 Жыл бұрын
No, this wasn’t unusual because they do their podcasts weekly. They’d have most likely put out a podcast on this day no matter what.
@josie4401 Жыл бұрын
i don't think eugene's closed off to the rest of the guys, i think he's just taking this on a deeper level because of his own past trauma with this kind of situation that he's talked about before. he's also talked about how he struggles to be vulnerable with his emotions, and as someone who does the same thing this is very typical. anger is easier to show to others as it doesn't place you in the same position of vulnerability as sadness/hurt does. but anger is a secondary emotion, and i think he's deeply hurting. also, with the whole body language thing, i cant say this applies to everyone, but i always cross my arms/legs. its just more comfortable. even as i was sitting here watching this video i had both my arms and legs crossed. but yeah, that's just my two cents and this is just my opinion.
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