Phaseplant: Can a brilliant synth also be kinda dumb?

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platipo

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@DashGlitch
@DashGlitch 2 жыл бұрын
To answer all of the concerns :) You're right, 2.0 manual is late, although the discord is alive with tips . the combining of shapes in the Surge oscillator (and all other oscillators pretty much) is just several oscillators and control over their pitch and level ;) So you can make most of those combos with a series of analog oscillators. With regard to serum warp modes and other similar plugins, they're just applying phase modulation of a specific shape to the original oscillator. There is a folder in wavetables called "morphs" I think, that is all serum's warp modes. Parallel filters can easily be made in the effects by using snap heap. Again the reverb, make an input eq and output eq nested in a snap heap, save a preset to make your own style reverb. I also don't understand the duplicate pitch wheel thing, you can just make 1 and then send it to several destinations, creating several is redundant - the modulators are by default MPE ready, so no need to stack. Hope that sheds some light so you can use this amazing plugin more in the future ;)
@platipo
@platipo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment :) I didn't notice the warp folder in Serum, will go have a look, yet I don't think simply applying phase modulation from a specific waveform would allow all the things I'm refering to, for Serum it could well be the case; I mean, among "similar" plugins we'd have to mention Zebra and Vital, which definitely seem capable of a very diverse things. I really like Phaseplant, as I mentioned several times in the video, and I did learn a lot from your videos about it, the bass in my recently uploaded short for example was made using clocked curve modulators as you brilliantly explained. And yes, I do acknowledge having a modular architecture, I could do all that and more, just adding more components, I just find it well... Obviously feasible, but quite time consuming, and much harder to tweak in detail. I'll definitely be using this synth in my music :) as I mentioned, I was obviously nitpicking or so. Thanks again for the comment, and for all the good work on your channel :)
@DashGlitch
@DashGlitch 2 жыл бұрын
@@platipo I mean the folder in Phase Plant, using the "morph" tables as PM source, you can achieve all of serum's warp modes and more, also very similar to vitals warp modes (not the spectral stuff - you need to dive into the editor for that). I've even applied these same tables in the hardware domain and achieved the same waveforms as I get with serum etc ;) The idea of phase plant is to build your own perfect building blocks for an ideal synth, each component is not very advanced but altogether the eco-system can build almost anything. Think of it like Lego :)
@DashGlitch
@DashGlitch 2 жыл бұрын
if you think about the concept of PM, you're manipulating the phase of a frequency depending on the value plotted by the chart of the incoming source. Using this theory, you can potentially turn any waveform into any other waveform, it all depends on the shape of the PM source ;)
@platipo
@platipo 2 жыл бұрын
First of all, thank you very much for your last comment, I'm kind of ashamed of myself, as I have quite a scientific background, and this should have been obvious, but really, your explaination helped me understand exactly what PM or so called PD actually does better than ever. Anyway, I believe the folder is "modulators" as the morphs one seems to be the one containing basic waveforms or so Back to the previous conversation, yes, I understand the "lego" concept, even though I never dived into the hardware modular craze, I've been programming Zebra2 for like 10 years, using it as my main instrument, and you see, that too is a modular, but the building blocks aren't all necessarily that minimalistic; sure you can make them simple and computationally cheap, if you don't need them to do more, but at the same time, you can make quite complex stuff without having to use dozens of components. This in my view helps keeping your programming "tight" if you get what I mean, and patches easy to tweak for different needs. Here if I need an even slightly more complex component, I have to go to the snapins/fx lanes, and that's a one way trip. I kind of like the idea of having only a basic filter and a distortion unit, but at the same time, things such as a comb filter, could definitely help as "basic" building blocks. On the Snap Heap thing yes, I get it, but Snap Heap is to be bought separately, so, someone getting only PhasePlant can either dedicate a whole snapin lane to making a decent reverb, or give up the idea of using the built in reverb altogether... no big deal on the practical side, as I and many I know wouldn't usually put a reverb as a insert in their projects anyway, on the "sound design" and patchmaking front, the story is different, for reasons unknown to man, people expect presets to have their reverb already, and doing that in Phaseplant, if you don't also own SnapHeap, can be tricky. Regarding my observation about the pitchwheel and other midi modulators, of course I get that instancing many copies of a pitchwheel makes little to no sense, but since this is the case, I shouldn't be able to do that. I mean, since the modwheel got the "special treatment" and got itself its dedicated space at the top left corner, why couldn't the other midi modulators be treated the same? That was an observation about good interface design, together with that about the useless switch for the lane 3 output. Again , hey, I think it is a brilliant instrument, I'm liking it, but there are a bunch of things which could imho quite easily be better :) Thanks again for the comment, and forgive my late reply.
@dudearlo
@dudearlo Жыл бұрын
what up Dash Glitch :D
@Rprth
@Rprth 2 жыл бұрын
i'd dare to say this video is more informative and charismatic than dash glitch's one for instance, not that it is a proper tutorial but it's good in showing strenght and weaknesses of the synth while giving a panoramic of how to use it, cheers to you and your amazing sound design skills ! :P
@platipo
@platipo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you :) But really, I believe they were made with very different purposes, I doubt you could learn how to do a Krell patch from this video :D
@elenadepalma6426
@elenadepalma6426 2 жыл бұрын
One of the most entertaining videos in your collection, IMO :-) cheers!
@platipo
@platipo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@fredrikh3547
@fredrikh3547 Жыл бұрын
The Generative disturbance and Epic spacefaring pad patches are supremely cool! Dash made a much more mellow soundspace in his video about PP's generative patches (compared to your more twisted/ominous one) so if you get the time I'd love if you made a tutorial about that kind of sequence. So so much better and deeply psychedelic for forest/darkpsy than the tiresome FM-scratches a lot of artists make.. Countless times I've tried to follow these tutorials, both yours, Ollies, E-clip's, Shep Muteprod, and Dash's, and the result is often good, but still manages somehow to sound quite different even though I try to follow as closely as I can...but practice makes perfect I guess :) anyway, thanks again, you're awesome!
@macronencer
@macronencer 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, this was useful for me! I have Vital already, and I've been wondering about Phaseplant for a while. It's very powerful but it's also good to see an honest opinion about its shortcomings so I can take that into account when deciding whether to buy it.
@platipo
@platipo 2 жыл бұрын
I was in similar waters for a while, saw great enthusiastic reviews, then I found it was on a discount and couldn't say no. In retrospect I'm quite happy about it, it's another tool in the box, and it definitely has some features no other tool I have has, but... Well, I suppose you watched the video :D
@macronencer
@macronencer 2 жыл бұрын
@@platipo Indeed! I think maybe I might still buy it anyway. It seems to be a fantastic platform for experimentation, which is what I'm into at the moment. I really love things like VCV Rack, and I recently bought Bitwig because that also seemed like it had the right approach to connectivity. Phaseplant will probably fit into that context very well I think.
@user.08994
@user.08994 7 ай бұрын
For everything that's involving post effect processing, for instance, making a reverb highpass, or distording it, i find Multipass and Snapheap to be really useful, they allow me to avoid any post processing when designing a patch carefully
@platipo
@platipo 7 ай бұрын
I wholeheartedly agree, but PP by default does not include SH, which makes the whole system effectively more expensive; if you want to design your patches carefully, you'll need to dish more money...
@user.08994
@user.08994 7 ай бұрын
@@platipo Absolutely, but i never saw PhasePlant as the final synth, the whole KH Bundle IS the synth, for about the same price the only competitor is Falcon, but UVI effects are a separate purchase, and a lot more expensive
@platipo
@platipo 7 ай бұрын
@@user.08994 but it does get sold as marketed as a standalone synth, while it is actually a "gateway drug" to an ecosystem, and you'll have to get snapheap even just use the synth "properly" if you get what I mean; I suppose we roughy agree having a slightly different perspective. I really liked the update though, should make a video about it... if I had any time to make videos that is.
@nsjx
@nsjx Жыл бұрын
Hi, I was just investigating PPlant myself and I ran across your neutral presentation here, which I HIGHLY appreciate. We need more of this to save us time. Cutting to the main gripe for me, personally, is the absence of a Matrix. I understand and agree with your reasoning 100%. It is not only a section for organising mods, yet also a section/list/page to (in some synths) choose mod modifiers. It has never bothered me as a programmer to have the matrix on a separate tab either. Many of the great modular softsynths do just that. Secondly, I see right off the starting line that these Kh-devs have decided on an Entire proprietary systematic approach to designing all of their "host plugins". Wow they look fantastic and clean, but some ergonomics...as you mention are a little annoying. I noticed there is an updated manual online. I think no one compares to the quality of user guides as the U-he team provide, but I also understand it requires extra time. Luckily, the U-he team are old grumps like me who LOVE digging into and studying guides to deeply learn the equipment. I personally do not wish to get on Discord to learn the latest bits, it's only a short hop away from further distraction to ongoing projects, whereas having versioned pdf keeps me offline and focussed. I am also intrigued by Wavetable LFO units... interesting potential indeed. Lastly, a point on Vital I agree with you about... Velocity control implementation. This can definitely benefit from streamlining. Also appreciate your 'advanced' FM in Vital video. New to Vital after many year with U-he but warming up to it fast. Keep doing what you do.
@platipo
@platipo Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your comment, I kinda see where it comes from as I've been, and kinda still am a U-he man myself, Zebra has been my to go synth forever :) Yes, WT LFOs are really amazing, I wish more synths took the same approach, they makes evolving and transforming sequences a lot easier :)
@XeloX58
@XeloX58 2 жыл бұрын
Yups I totally agree with what you say here. One of the reasons I don’t work with modular synth is that I get lost in what is connected to what, as you said. Phaseplant is not that bad, but still…. A proper mod matrix would be welcome indeed.
@XeloX58
@XeloX58 2 жыл бұрын
Another thing that I really miss in phaseplant is the possibillity to change the amount and width of voices in unison mode. This is what makes serum and vital so powerfull. Or maybe I overlooked that feature??
@platipo
@platipo 2 жыл бұрын
Well, no, that you can do. There is a spread knob that controls the stereo opening of unison voices, and the obvious detune knob. I don't think it's just "not bad", I think in many ways it is actually great, the free audio rate modulation thing is extremely powerful, to name just one; and I really find it inspiring in many ways... But well, there also are all the problems I mentioned.
@XeloX58
@XeloX58 2 жыл бұрын
@@platipo oh my G… I totally missed that. Stupid me!! Tnx for correcting me there… I ‘m now falling in love with PhPl !!
@platipo
@platipo 2 жыл бұрын
@@XeloX58 glad to help :)
@GeorgeLocke
@GeorgeLocke 2 жыл бұрын
Ican think of two reasons not to provide a mod matrix view. One is to keep the entire interface in one window. The other is that a spreadsheet like interface is extremely abstract and maybe feels like the office for some people. I'm not arguing that these reasons are enough, but I do think they are not prima facie worthless.
@platipo
@platipo 2 жыл бұрын
Well... You could program nearly everything in Serum or Vital without ever opening the Matrix page, I see your point, but on the other hand you know. It's just something more, not anything less; you want to stay in the "main"" page and mess with virtual pseudo-cables? Without ever seeing a dreadful "spreadsheet like" modmatrix? Fine, but someone wanting to get into a patch, debug of fine tune it, might on the other hand find it invaluabe
@aspirativemusicproduction2135
@aspirativemusicproduction2135 4 ай бұрын
This is the one paid synth I was tempted to buy when it was discounted. But on the other hand I don't think I need to make diverse farts for my music. I have Massive for farts and although I bought it to make farts I don't remember making too many farts with it. I think geeks get obsessed with making farts. However Phase plant may have just the right sound for someone who wants to make nice sounding music but wants to venture in fartland every once in a while. Someone like me.
@platipo
@platipo 4 ай бұрын
It is, as I sure mentioned, a very capable synth, and to my knowledge, the only modular VST which doesn't try to emulate some rack thing, or has some other wires and similar concoctions, apart from my beloved Zebra, yes, there is Zebra3 coming, but at the time I made the video, it was nowhere near sight, and Zebra2 was already over a decade old. The fart topic in itself, should deserve a more nerdy approach, I might make a video on the topic sometime :)
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