PHD2 Let's get better guiding! (but don't overthink it either!)

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00:00 Introduction
01:00 Multi-Stars
04:11 Guide Assistant
10:20 Bad Polar Alignment
14:00 Predictive PEC
15:35 Review PHD2 Log Viewer

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@captaincook6666
@captaincook6666 Жыл бұрын
Do you mean 10 arc mins not arc secs?
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
YES!!!
@Astro_Shed
@Astro_Shed Жыл бұрын
@@CuivTheLazyGeek mine is only 2 arc mins off and I get good drift for one way guiding….👍🏻
@peterbriggs3408
@peterbriggs3408 Жыл бұрын
"Poor polar alignment of 10 arc seconds ..." - man, you have a different idea of 'poor' than I do 🤣
@maciejzmuda1339
@maciejzmuda1339 Жыл бұрын
Not sure but imo it should rather be something like 10 arc minutes...
@jimbob4484
@jimbob4484 Жыл бұрын
I usually find it harder to get it below an arc minute!
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Sorry yes I meant arcminutes!!!!! So sorry about this!!
@JoeBob79569
@JoeBob79569 4 ай бұрын
@@jimbob4484 I usually try to get it a below or around an arcminute, and then the final adjustment is just tightening up the knobs in the "error" direction, which gets me very close, and the bonus is that I know everything is tight too.
@guycooke314
@guycooke314 Жыл бұрын
I have been all over the net looking for someone with your knowledge but also having the ability to explain and teach difficult concepts. As a professional life long teacher, my opinion is that you are outstanding. A hearty “thank you very much” is warranted. I hope you are enjoying Japan. Just watch out for earthquake and tsunami and /or volcano or whatever else that poor island has to endure. Guy.
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Guy, that means a lot! Sometimes I wish I had been a teacher, since I do love teaching :)
@addos999
@addos999 Жыл бұрын
Predictive PEC in PHD2 for me with an eq6 works equally as well as actually recording a pec curve - so highly recommended!
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Excellent to hear!
@actudoran
@actudoran Жыл бұрын
i got 1 more tip ... if your guiding camera rotates even the slightest bit from your original calibration... like say you've been doing planetary and then want to stick it back in the guiding scope and start guiding, then you must do another calibration.... it will make a world of difference and it only should take a couple of minutes ( point your scope at a star along the meridian ... Dec 0 ... +/- 10-20 degrees) my best results are when using 0.5 secs exposure with multistars enabled/ Svbony 305 using a 30/120 guider
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Yes! That is something that is too often forgotten, thank you!
@actudoran
@actudoran Жыл бұрын
@@CuivTheLazyGeek most welcome Mon Ami!
@larryhibbitts2099
@larryhibbitts2099 Жыл бұрын
Great information as always Cuiv!
@Arcteek
@Arcteek 6 ай бұрын
Cuiv always delivers
@enqueir
@enqueir Жыл бұрын
fantastic video Cuiv, well done! thanks for sharing ....
@KingLoopie1
@KingLoopie1 10 ай бұрын
Love tips and tricks!
@gregmckay666
@gregmckay666 Жыл бұрын
Excellent job explaining these features as always, Cuiv. Thanks!
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@taurus7228
@taurus7228 Жыл бұрын
Awesome.. and the finalmost advice fully agree.. can try that during moonlight.. limited amount of clear skies. Thank you Ashvn
@whenpigsflyobservatory
@whenpigsflyobservatory Жыл бұрын
This is the video I’ve been looking for. I’m pretty sure this is going to help my setup. Your explanations make complete sense. Thanks for these tips Sir!
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Hope it does help, and don't forget to wait for the full moon to test so you don't waste time!
@user-pi5xu7qs7n
@user-pi5xu7qs7n Жыл бұрын
I took your advice and now get much better guiding by turning off PEC on my AZ-EQ5 and now use predictive PEC within PHD2. Big difference. I now get around .4 to .5 all night.
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
That's awesome, great to hear!!
@richardmattas4003
@richardmattas4003 Жыл бұрын
thank you cuiv!
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
My pleasure :)
@johntrudeau2162
@johntrudeau2162 Жыл бұрын
thank you for your continued videos. I am learning, slowly lol, from your great explanations. Love the look when you say "because the earth rotates".😅
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
I'm really happy to see my videos can be helpful!
@ralphguppy
@ralphguppy Жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos! If I’m tracking with a non-go-to mount, and disabled the declination action, will the guiding assistant still help?
@michaellewis7768
@michaellewis7768 Жыл бұрын
The additional tip to deselect "Auto-adjust period" at the 14:44 mark, made a huge difference for the better when using the Predictive PEC option. PHD2 was off by a bit in its calculation, and entering the value provided by the manufacturer was like magic for my guiding performance. Ioptron CEM70 worm period 348 sec. Thanks for the tips!
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks Michael!
@ASTROKING-S
@ASTROKING-S Жыл бұрын
Its great to see you back....
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Great to be back ;)
@nbhoja
@nbhoja Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support Nahid!
@celestromel
@celestromel Жыл бұрын
Genius! Thanks enormously!
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
My pleasure, as always!
@fazergazer
@fazergazer Жыл бұрын
Poor polar alignment is great idea. I’ve got to wrap my head around how to set it up to pull up from the east pre-meridian for example.🎉
@lukomatico
@lukomatico Жыл бұрын
Super video Cuiv!! 😀
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Thanks Luke!!
@Astrogator1
@Astrogator1 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video😊 It may be obvious but found in last few sessions phd2 was often complaining, (I had been very “lazy”with cables. Tidying up the cables improved phd2 results, images were better and even mount sounded happier when slewing to target
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Great tip! Very true :)
@N4GW
@N4GW Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Astro_Shed
@Astro_Shed Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, I have been guiding in one direction for some years now with my EQ8, which had bad DEC backlash….👍🏻
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Good to hear it's been working for you on the EQ8! That thing looks like a monster though!
@Astro_Shed
@Astro_Shed Жыл бұрын
@@CuivTheLazyGeek yes it is, but it’s mounted in an obsy so all good….👍🏻
@stephen2615
@stephen2615 Жыл бұрын
I had some issues with not enough stars as I am using an OAG on a SCT looking at galaxies or other things in sparse star fields. Brian (from PHD2 support) said to disable Star Mass Detection as it was not necessary any more. However, it seems to be on by default. I noticed you have it on. Thank you very much for that huge Dec drift issue mention. One of the other comments on it was before you run GA, give your mount a big nudge towards the north before starting GA as it means starting it without the DEC backlash having to be accounted for. Nice to have your videos as always.
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the additional tips Stephen! I've had star mass prevent situations when clouds came through and PHD2 locked on some part of the clouds rather than the guide star but I'll look into it!
@stephanep1330
@stephanep1330 Жыл бұрын
Hi Cuiv, The other shorter periodic errors you get are probably harmonics of the main 300s... you will notice harmonic#2 at 150s, harmonic#3 at 100s, harmonic#4 at 75s... It means the error is not perfectly sinusoidal
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Thanks Stephane!
@Kroller9
@Kroller9 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Your Videos are really useful. I just improved my guiding by 0,3" !
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Glad it helped!
@KopLamp
@KopLamp Жыл бұрын
Never knew you could right click that graph!
@bazpearce9993
@bazpearce9993 Жыл бұрын
Oh my! I saw subtitles as i was on your thmbnail. It said "Hi, Cliff the lazy geek here" lol.
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Hahaha yeah the subtitles don't like my name (or my accent)
@beatsntoons
@beatsntoons Жыл бұрын
Can't tell you how good it is to have you back making videos. We missed you, Cuiv! May I ask how many of these things need to be re-done each session, if we don't have a permanent pier/setup? For those of us who have to setup and take down every time we shoot, should we have to run Predictive PEC and Guide Assist each time?
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Guide assistant shouldn't be rerun, PredictivePEC works automatically afaik
@celestromel
@celestromel Жыл бұрын
More, more!
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Haha, will do Melvyn :D
@jonkjon
@jonkjon Жыл бұрын
Another helpful video! Regarding polar mis-alignment, I was thinking the recommendation was along the lines of 5-10 arcmin for uni-directional guiding. No? Regardless, thanks again for the time you put into this for everyone's benefit! Here's hoping you get some clear skies soon.....
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Yes! Thank you jonkjon, I got confused :(
@galactus012345
@galactus012345 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Cuiv.Excellent phd tips summary as usual. I have a suggestion for a cloudy day/night video. What about making video about filter direction with your spectograph ? That could confirm that filters can be placed in any direction or not ? All filters ? some of them ? We all have filter location and wonder the filter working direction. Your spectrograph can reveal the truth.
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
I've seen no difference in filter direction - direction really is about reflections and the AR coatings, which isn't something a spectrometer can check
@galactus012345
@galactus012345 Жыл бұрын
@@CuivTheLazyGeek Thank you for the confirmation
@CDigata
@CDigata Жыл бұрын
big ups
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Make sure to wait until full moon to test stuff out so you don't waste imaging time! Also, guiding is usually quite tolerant of oblong stars. The OAG naturally picks up the stars beyond the edge of the FOV, where they're wont to be oblong (depending on the scope optics). But in theory, guiding should still work quite well.
@montygiavelli8125
@montygiavelli8125 Жыл бұрын
Cuiv, Thanks for all the great videos. Questions: 1. Do you turn PEC (or PPEC) off when you run PHD2 calibration ? 2. Do you turn PEC off when you run PHD2's guiding assistant ? I've been trying to find this information for quite a while ! thanks, Monty
@redabdab
@redabdab Жыл бұрын
Another brilliant vid Cuiv! You explain things so well!! But when you said poor polar alignment I assumed you were going to say 5 or 6 arcmin. Not 10”! I never bother getting any closer than 1’ anyway (and I consider that good PA)
@redabdab
@redabdab Жыл бұрын
Ok. No worries. I see the correction now 😊 I’m def going to try this as my EQ8R pro has a dec backlash of about 3500ms 😢
@koppervik1
@koppervik1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks again Cuiv for an excellente and practical useful video! 👍🏻 I do currently have guiding issues with my dec axis after a belt mod. Weather has been terrible for weeks here in Norway, so I have not really been able to test properly, but one issue is probably binding. However, binding is not equal around the 360 deg rotation. One spot is tighter, and if I adjust backlash (as described in an older video from you) to avoid binding and no backlash here, I have a small backlash other places. So, if I should apply backlash compensation, and it is not evenly distributex around 360 degrees, what compensation should be applied...?
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
PHD2 will dynamically adjust the detected backlash to counter exactly that scenario. But remember, software solution to hardware problems!
@stevenickolls8016
@stevenickolls8016 Жыл бұрын
Hi Cuiv thanks very much for this video. I have an iOptron GEM28 and have tried the PHD2 PEC algorithm but no improvement in RMS. Just thought I would share my outcome with others. Cheers.
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@michaelfeigenbaum2415
@michaelfeigenbaum2415 Жыл бұрын
Any thoughts on recovery after a dither? Sometimes it seems to take too long and then has a negative impact on the frame immediately following a dither...
@McTavish11T7
@McTavish11T7 Жыл бұрын
I use the ASIAIR, but still watched this all the way through, lol. Learning is fun, 😁 Thank you
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Hahaha that's great to hear - thanks for watching despite it not being useful to you for the moment :)
@mikehardy8247
@mikehardy8247 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering the question I was about to ask. Just learning ASIAIR. so wasn't sure if this was required learning. Never did get PHD2 to work properly with first gen Star Adventurer anyway. Again your videos are awesome, thanks!
@harveyrichard2007
@harveyrichard2007 Жыл бұрын
Adoré ! Spécialement le multi-star guiding machin. Tu m'as convaincu de passer du ASIAIR à Nina à cause de la flexibilité du guidage, jai un gros backlash sur ma monture, etc. Cependant, tu as un mini PC accroché au tube, si j'ai bien compris ? Quelle marque utilises-tu ? J'imagine que tu as un vidéo là-dessus aussi ?
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Oui, c'est ici: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l9mDmaRnrbyscZc.html
@Nabby13
@Nabby13 Жыл бұрын
I just did a 3-night session for the CN Goofi's monthly challenge, and I didn't re- polar align each night - so my polar alignment got worse each night for whatever reasons, which I could see from the increasing frequency of Dec corrections. My guiding got worse, even though the seeing got better each night (from PHD2 guide star data) - 0.55" average RMS on the first night to 0.70" on the third night. My Dec backlash is 4900ms (0.5 Sidereal guiding rate,) and normally PHD2 is excellent at guiding even when the Dec corrections reverse direction. So having poor polar alignment as the means of battling high Dec backlash may not work on all mounts. Mine is Sirius EQ-G with a 13 lbs load.
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Interesting thank you!
@anata5127
@anata5127 Жыл бұрын
Superb video! Unfortunately, backlash could be due to faulty motor. This is a main reason that mesh adjustment doesn’t work. One more thing. Min-Mo numbers after guiding assistance often don’t work. Backlash size works very well, but not Min-Mo.
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ana! Interesting on the min-mo numbers - I've always just relied on them, but never really tried to change them
@anata5127
@anata5127 Жыл бұрын
@@CuivTheLazyGeek Cuiv. I have a question not related to guiding. People often take L at 1x1 binning and RGB at 2x2 binning? I just wonder could RGB frames registered with L frame and then combine them all together?
@anata5127
@anata5127 Жыл бұрын
Hi Cuiv, Unrelated question related to your 2 years old video. What do you think about asi294mc versus mm? 294mc has all sorts of drawbacks. Does 294mm have them? One more question. I have heard that asi has new camera with 9um/pixel. Did you know about it?
@peterbriggs3408
@peterbriggs3408 Жыл бұрын
Is there a 'best' direction for the offset in polar alignment to beat backlash? Is it better to offset the mount in elevation vs azimuth, for instance?
@Nabby13
@Nabby13 Жыл бұрын
If that would even work for you, in the first approximation, it shouldn't really matter because of the rotational symmetry.
@brod5352
@brod5352 Жыл бұрын
I tried using predictive PEC but the jury is still out on that one. Still experimenting. But I have used the guiding assistant and have found it to be most helpful. My biggest challenge is working with my OAG. Seems you can never get round stars using an OAG. I have played with the prism to make sure it's as square to the OTA as possible. And that does help. But I'm guessing there is only so much you can do with a prism. If you have any tips using an OAG, I'd certainly be interested. Even w/o round guide starts I do on occasion get pretty good guiding. You just have to pick the smallest star you can in the limited star field you have.
@yzr250jp
@yzr250jp Жыл бұрын
Is the prism in front of or behind any filters? With my GT71 I had to stop using the OAG because my narrow band filters are screwed into the A6iii flattner and thus would block too much of the star light. But I also noticed the OAG worked great when I had my IDAS LP-3 or UV/IR cut filter in place.
@brod5352
@brod5352 Жыл бұрын
@@yzr250jp Behind the prism. In front would be a lot easier, but I wanted the filter to be the last item in my optical train. So I figured out a way to do so, and not mess up my back focus.
@nickverstand
@nickverstand Жыл бұрын
great video! thanks to your tip on Predictive PEC using this I got my guiding down to 0.28RMS with a CEM26
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Awesome, I'm glad it helped!
@keithmoore7515
@keithmoore7515 Жыл бұрын
Do you prefer the O'l ways to the ASIAIR Plus? I bought it because the learning curve is/was so drastic on the O'l ways. One shout (Try) to keep up with tech, EVEN IF you had a hand in building the O'l stuff!! ROTFL... I want a comment or further video of the DWARF as I an considering one. And would love to learn all the ins/outs of the ASIAIR. But thanks for any and all of your content!!
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Can't use the ASIAir anymore since I'm using non-ZWO stuff ... Yes I want to do a follow up video on the Dwarf II, but the weather isn't cooperating...
@jesusalbertoponcedeleon7124
@jesusalbertoponcedeleon7124 9 ай бұрын
Hello Cuiv (real name?), how comes that you live in Japan? I hope that next time I am flying to Hong Kong and I have to make a stop in Japan, I can take time to meet you and take you out for lunch or dinner! It will be nice to meet you! (Jesus A. Ponce de Leon). I just came back from HKG and made a connection in Narita airport. But did not occur at that time to make a longer stopover (one day or two) and look for you!! Great work!
@phfreddie6242
@phfreddie6242 Жыл бұрын
Can I make these changes in PHD2 via my ASIAIR PLUS ?
@doramason
@doramason Жыл бұрын
what are your experiences related to predictive PEC and harmonic drive mounts? if there are any?
@patricksAstro
@patricksAstro Жыл бұрын
I was going to ask the same question.
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Honestly no real experience with strain wave gear/harmonic drive mounts PEC, so I can't really comment on this...
@bartekchlewicku4711
@bartekchlewicku4711 Жыл бұрын
It is possible to take light frames between periodic pick errors? PHD can predict the periodic error so it can also synchrony time to take frames. Of course if exposure time is less than time between error picks. (Sorry for my English)
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Mmmh theoretically possible but would require development on PHD2 side and capture software side...
@BruceMallett
@BruceMallett Жыл бұрын
I’m confused (as usual). With PHD2 following a star(s), how does doing PEC compensation help? At intervals the periodic error of the mount would cause the star to move and PHD2 would correct for this, true? Or is the PPEC advantageous at longer guiding times? In which case it seems that predicting the error means you better have the periodic error time accurate to better than 1/2 of your guiding exposure time.
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
It's all about predicting vs reacting in the end. When you're reacting, you're already off-track and need to spend time to bring it back on track. When you're predicting, you can avoid going off track in the first place (or at least limit the amount by which you go off track)
@runematthijssens2304
@runematthijssens2304 Жыл бұрын
Is there a way to to de pecc while using the ASIAIR?
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
I don't think so - but if many people ask ZWO they might implement it ;)
@glen2880
@glen2880 Жыл бұрын
I was told that multi star guiding doesn't help much with a big scope or OAG. Have you had any experience with this or any info to contribute to this? Thanks for the great videos I do apricate your opinion! keep up the great work!
@MrDirtyRod
@MrDirtyRod Жыл бұрын
Helps a ton with my C8 and OAG. I’ve been running that config with PHD2 for over a year. Probably a .4” difference in guiding performance.
@glen2880
@glen2880 Жыл бұрын
@@MrDirtyRod That's the same config I'm using. I'll have to give it a try. Thanks
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Rod already answered but yes in theory it should also make a difference. That said many SCT + OAG users have good seeing to support their sampling, so they are statistically likely less affected by seeing in the first place!
@mireia3208
@mireia3208 Жыл бұрын
PEC guiding for the AZ Gti seems to work so-so in my case. The old hystheresis algorithm works just way better. Maybe the errors of the AZ Gti are not that periodic and the PEC of PhD actually makes it go crazy and compensate incorrectly.
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
Well, in the end it's what works best for you that counts!
@deepskytrekkin9600
@deepskytrekkin9600 9 ай бұрын
Step one. Never set your telescope up on a balcony. LOL
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek 9 ай бұрын
True! Lol
@deepskytrekkin9600
@deepskytrekkin9600 9 ай бұрын
@CuivTheLazyGeek In the end we all do the best we can with what we have. While it would be nice to image from a dark site in New Mexico USA, reality is typically very different. I am blessed to have a permanent pier under a Bortle 4 sky. I enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work!
@psantangeli
@psantangeli Жыл бұрын
Great video. One thing that I've always wondered about PHD2 is the relationship between multi-star guiding and actually selecting a guide star using the mouse. With multistar turned on, does selecting a star override that? Or does it indicate a primary star? Or is it ignored?
@psantangeli
@psantangeli Жыл бұрын
Never mind. Figured it out. Selecting turns on single star.
@Philobr
@Philobr Жыл бұрын
Moving from just using the scope/mount/dslr to autoguiding. Watched your videos which are great. I get what and how to do things from your videos but translating that onto a real telescope and mount is proving impossible to do. No idea why it's not working.
@billmurphypenguins3774
@billmurphypenguins3774 Жыл бұрын
Cloudy Nights and Stargazers Lounge forums would probably answer most of your questions on troubleshooting PHD2. The rabbit hole truly starts when you start autoguiding 😆
@Philobr
@Philobr Жыл бұрын
@bill murphy penguins thanks, I've 100s of questions. I've looked through both of those and got answers. They are great places for information. But it's putting into practice is the problem. Telling NINA to go to X target, and instead of going left the telescope goes right. Things like that.
@rXHrzn
@rXHrzn Жыл бұрын
I would allways recommend an offaxis guider :D improved my guiding extremly
@CuivTheLazyGeek
@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын
OAGs are great, depending on the setup - of course not for Hyperstar :D
@rXHrzn
@rXHrzn Жыл бұрын
@@CuivTheLazyGeek thats right yep :D would be a little bit to much stuff in front of the scope
@mariaantoniw1748
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@@CuivTheLazyGeek Which guide scope and camera do you use with the C6 and hyperstar? Great video!
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