Thank you kindly!

@@MunroLive It's a good job this wasn't isn't live! Because judging by this crowd, I think Scott would be wiping stuff off himself and nursing some bruises.

THANKS SCOTT, FOR AN EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW 😂💚💚💚

@@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 Two drums and a cymbal fell off a cliff

Great presentation, clear and concise - I have had a negative perception of Jeep quality & reliability although never owning one, strange how ones perceptions are formed. Not withstanding I cannot see myself buying any hybrid vehicle, although in Australia with our large landmass and our as yet limited fast charging network I can see why people are drawn to them. Every additional component is another potential failure, the older the vehicle becomes the higher the failure rate. I wonder what the long term used valuation of these vehicles will be compared to a BEV

Yeah, it's crazy to add all the extra engineering to include the ICE and all the requisite peripherals when all you need do is expand the EV side of the vehicle.

That's the idea though, they go from the training wheels to the real thing.

A lot of EV owners have it as a second vehicle. If you can only have one vehicle a PHEV is a good option.

I've been driving an Ioniq PHEV for 3.5 years now and it's been a great bridge vehicle, as the charging infrastructure wasn't there to make routine trips to my favourite ski hills feasible. I'm happy to say that's all changed now though, so in another few years I'll likely move on to a Kia EV6.

This is so 2000-2010. The time of this nonsense has come and gone.

Too much iron to drag around.

@@jamesvandamme7786 An extra 80kWh of battery weighs more than all of the ICE components, which would still probably be a bit small of a battery for a vehicle of this size and aero. It is not the weight of the "iron" that makes the vehicle inefficient.

I feel like Jeep missed an opportunity to do a BEV w/range extender as we saw in the Volt. The motor for the range extender is smaller, less complicated, and could be placed in the rear to skip an exhaust tunnel, allowing for a 40+ kWh pack. For people who want to do road trips & overlanding, having 400 miles of range is important. That would mean a 200 kWh battery pack. That means the same batteries could build 4 or 5 BEV with 80 or so miles of all-electric range and a backup gas range extender, which was seldom a problem on the Volt.

@@Nphen Mazda has an interesting idea. First design an EV. then put in a small, light Wankel at optimum RPM to charge the battery.Most hybrids do it backwards.

Thanks!

Sandy needed a holiday after taking a look under the hood. 😉

GM did a huge study on Volt owners and 80% of them plugged in every day. And almost 90+% plugged them in regularly..

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Which EV did you get?

@@Narcissist_Police Driving a model Y, tow my Alto trailer, see no reason for a Hybrid.

Nope, bugatti have Higher Peak power. At zero rpm sure any ev is more powerfull. Besides, rimac is more impressive than tesla.

Blablabla Tesla like always!Are you Elons boyfriend?Can you talk about something else on a carchannel!

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Going down the hatch... 😉

After they were done designing a gas engine car, they stuffed in whatever battery and motor would fit.

You know, at some point we’re going to have to recon with the fact that most of our driving is short range and that we’re wasting resources putting giant batteries in every electric car offered.

@@pjsmith6954 If we had fast chargers all over the place that would start to change people's perception. It would lower the price and weight of cars. But Mazda tried to sell an EV with 100 miles range, people laughed (and it was too expensive).

Nah, ours lasted 110,000 before we junked it.

Thanks!

And ICE is at the mercy of the gas station network...... If you want to know how to do a PHEV properly just look at modern trains all their diesel engines do is make electricity for electric motors.

It's worth noting that the power and torque you get from the electric motors in a PHEV is generally less than you get in a full BEV.

@@directorjustin there are currently like 12 gas stations within a mile of my house. The nearest DC fast charger is like 10 miles away and only a 150kw station. And other than tesla chargers I hear all the time about chargers being out. Gas pumps are down often too, but when there is another gas station next door I don’t care so much. I think charging infrastructure needs about 5-10 more years to mature. For now PHEVs make sense.

@@DanielBogerhave had tesla for 4.5 years and never found a dead tesla supercharger

@@Barskor1 I agree that trains are a good example of hybrid done right. Years ago I saw a thing where Oshkosh trucks were working on a hybrid that worked like that for heavy/military trucks. If fast chargers were half as common as gas stations we wouldn’t need PHEVs

Our pleasure!

Thank you! You too!

Less than 80 kWh of additional battery that would be the minimum needed for a BEV. Both systems (PHEV/BEV) lug around a bunch of unused weight for 95% of their trips. EV's do it with a bunch of extra battery for the 40 mile commute, and PHEVs carry a ICE range extender.

You're very welcome!

It looks like protective film that someone forgot to peel off.

People also don't like plugging in a BEV. They'll risk fast charging now and then to get home.

I know this was the case in the early days of PHEV, especially as early adopters were fleets and government vehicles which employees were expected to charge the vehicle when their fuel was otherwise paid for. I would like to see more up to date statistics, as I doubt this is the case as typically running on electric is half the cost of gasoline.

Well, everyboby has electricity at home. Quite everbody in developed countries around the globe.

Yeah, curious. Ford is using the hybrid transmission on the hybrid Maverick, but Toyota went with a conventional transmission on the tundra hybrid because of towing requirements.

You mean extend how long ICE remains relevant, so all the execs can line up their golden parachutes before the final collapse...

Thats what the volt does, No gearbox its just an EV with range extender and its a very efficient design.

Turbine electric would be my choice. Turbines can run on about anything, are compact and light, and work best at a single speed - matched to a generator.

@@hallkbrdz i think Mazda’s rotary engine range extender, could be a hit too. Simple and light

@@FreekHoekstra The last gasp of the Wankel. If they run at a constant speed they might be pretty efficient.

@@FreekHoekstra The ICE powertrain in the Volt has a planetary gear set and a set of clutches that take the place of a traditional transmission. Using these, It can make a physical connection to the wheels under various circumstances.

Not really comparable vehicles. You can almost get two of these for the cost of the Model X. ($65k and qualifies for federal rebate vs $110k with no rebate)

@@eric4903 yes you can but it costs you 3 times more in fuel, services and reliability. Go back to getting a Tesla. You pay more but it saves you more .

@@MrSteelAu It is hard to determine what the lifetime mpg will be for a PHEV as it is really dependent on the individual use case, which is why the buyer needs to look at it objectively. Still, assuming the Cherokee 4xe runs up to half the time on gasoline, for 150k miles that would be $13k in gas @ $4 /gal and $6.3k in electric at $0.15 kwhr for a total of roughly $20k. If the Tesla were only charged at home for the full 150k miles, it may also only cost ~$6.5k due to its much more efficient design; but recharging at Superchargers has a decent cost parity to filling an ICE with gas; so again hard to nail down exact costs. Maybe assume 25% Supercharger which brings the cost to about $10k total instead. Only a $10k savings in fuel over a "lifetime", and even the most egregious estimates on maintenance differences will not add up to the remaining $50k price advantage. This is assuming the vehicles are inherently equal however, and many would prefer the Tesla due to the inherent benefits which come with an EV.

@@eric4903 thank you for your basic explanation for people who can be easily manipulated. However those well informed educated people will tell you based on facts of ownership a hybrid like me when I invested in a hybrid 20 years ago you are investing in a vehicle that is comprised. You have a2 power train ( iCE and elec) ICe is high grade tech that is achieved by tight tolerance and soft rings in the engine meaning you get a lot of power and good economy . But you compromised the reliability if you on a long drive those rings wearing out fast ending up costing you a rebuild oops you just lost all the money you saved in fuel ⛽️ because a rebuild is very expensive. The electric is only good if the vehicle is light. When loaded with family and luggage. The current draw will delete the battery fast. Oops you just lost more money because you have a tiny battery 🪫 meaning the iCE have to work extra hard to cover the family and luggage and dead weight of the now useless electrical drive system. You better off getting pure ICE drive that is reliable and capable of handling long drive loaded with you family. Or go puss electric with a good size battery and drive unit suitable and fit for purpose. Omg I am too technical for you sorry I’ll back off .

@@MrSteelAu My first PHEV was a 2013 Volt which I sold at 150k miles, still mechanically sound. The only maintenance performed was 4 engine oil changes, 1 transmission oil change, 1 engine air filter, 2 cabin air filters, a set of headlights, and 2 sets of tires. The ICE maintenance was often free, included with the vehicle, but even at market rates cost under $300 for the lifetime of the vehicle. The vehicle ran roughly 75% EV through the lifetime, no unscheduled maintenance required. The vehicle was more versatile and overall a much cleaner product that an equivalent large battery BEV; at the time the only long range BEV would have been a Model S at 2-3 times the cost. I am an automotive engineer; feel free to speak more technically.

Usually it’s around 80mph before it kicks the ICE on.

Depends on the PHEV, but often not much different than a full EV. My Chevrolet Volt tops out at 98 mph. I think the Cherokee here is limited to 80mph.

On the RAV4 it’s under 50 mph. My commute is all highway so I ruled it out as it would mostly be running as ICE and rarely as full EV.

@@davidr3246 that is definitely not true. I have a RAV4 Prime and it can go up to 85mph on pure electric.

@Paul C Ha That’s what the dealer explained to me in 2021. I took it as true and never researched it further. Makes me wonder if he was misinformed or had reason to want to steer me to other inventory 🤔

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That’s just mean, man.😂

@@stever5359 When the junk man towed away our last Dodge, I swore no MoPar will ever darken our driveway again. Mostly by leaking oil on it and dropping rust.

Jeep could have used an Model Y setup with a (serial) ICE genset in the frunk or trunk, like BMW did with "i3 REX".

Scott, Points raised always defending EV while condemning ICE never...and I mean NEVER ever take into consideration the effect that power-interrupting storms have on EV owner's inability to recharge. Many gas stations, especially in areas of regular storm activity, use generators to power the fuel pumps. But it's a whole other ball of wax when it comes to recharging large capacity high voltage EV batteries. Out of sight, out of mind maybe...until it happens. Just defend the ICE in this way, and tell your friends! Anyone who wants to debate this is living in denial.

@@user-3tf67bk46u How do ICE owners run their household's electricity supply in blackouts?

@@waynerussell6401 With generators? Last much longer than battery solutions. But honestly only a very small minority of the population have either, and for good reason. The US electric grid is very stable and the cost outlay for a backup solution is generally not worth it.

Why not asking for a loaner? I would not leave the dealer without a car. They can call the police, don't care. I surly hope you insisted for one.

(True Story - Above and beyond Jeep Customer Service Story - I have no affiliation with any part of the auto industry.) (Vehicle - 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe Summit Reserve [4xe is a plug-in hybrid]. This replaced my 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland Summit) (Part - Coolant Pump for battery) I'm retired from the IT field, so I have a lot of patience now. Yes, they absolutely provided a loaner! I ended up with a lower end trim 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee from Enterprise Rent A Car. It worked fine, just so few features. :) I was given 3 different dates by the dealership that the part was supposed to arrive and obviously didn't. At about 3.5 weeks of frustration I decided to call Jeep Wave Program about the part not being available. I honestly didn't think they would be able to help. I called on a Friday midday and was I assigned a Case Manager on Monday. She left me a phone message and email on Monday evening. The next day it was reassigned to a different case manager. The new case manager answered her phone about 80% of the times I called. She replied to every email I sent within 4-5 business hours. Even after the case was finished, she sent me a few emails checking on me. I was shocked. She helped by going to a specialized parts division of Jeep and it appeared as though they were able to prioritize the part since my vehicle was marked as VOR (Vehicle Off Road) and sent it to my dealership within 3 days. It took they almost a week to get it replaced. Upon picking up my vehicle I opened to back to put all my junk from the rental into my vehicle. The dealership had it for so long that they forgot they had taken off the protective undercoating and put it in the back of my vehicle. I had to wait another hour. I've had the vehicle for a month now and it's working perfect. I asked my case manager what she could do for me for all the trouble. I had made about 30 phone calls and drove to the dealership twice to discuss the issue with Service and Sales. She offered to pay my loan for time I didn't have the vehicle, once my vehicle was back in my possession and working properly. I was shocked they'd even offer that. I have since received the check and deposited it. I paid for the Max Care 8yr/100k warranty when I bought the vehicle. I asked if they could extend it a few months for the same time I didn't have the vehicle. She didn't have to ask anyone, she said they'd give the entire 8 year warranty to me for free. I had to cancel my warranty and she replaced it with the same exact warranty at no cost. I canceled it at the dealership, receiving the prorated amount (about 97%) of my money back and they actually did attach the same Max Care Warranty to my vehicle. My dealership said they can see it on the vehicle and it was sold to me by Jeep Customer Care. They also confirmed it was the 8yr/100k warranty with the same deductible. Although I was pissed to not have my new vehicle, I don't know that I could praise Jeep's Customer Service more than taking the time to write a recount of the story. I honestly thought I was going to be jacked around and it was the total opposite. BTW, I was polite the entire time. I never had to raise my voice and vent frustration. When my warranty runs up, I'm pretty sure I'll end up with another Jeep!!

@@philardoin3783 well, disappointed to hear all those issues on a new Jeep. But, glad they cared for you. It's my 4th GC and never had any issues. Just one time, radiator hose leak, under warranty repair. This new Overland 4XE I just got now, did have a software issue, when I got it. Could not communicate with over the air connection. Dealer was lost a bit. Said, new radio/brain needs to be replaced. Went home, called Jeep CC, got a case agent. It took them 24 hrs to call me back, asking me to sit in the car and follow instructions over the phone. 15 mins later, all solved and the unit came back to life. Dealer wanted to do right, I never called them back. I don't need free car washes....lol. other then that, this new gen Jeep is so wonderful. I have no issues with the plug in. Going to install level 2 charger in my garage. Ordered Autel hardwired unit. Getting ready for full electric car in the future, for my wife.

A PHEV can be a great vehicle if executed well. The need for reliability goes up, but if the manufacturer _does_ make a reliable drive system, the cost and quality of life benefits of a PHEV over a regular ICE vehicle can be big.

Most EV users plug them in daily. Not sure where you're getting that info. Guessing?

@@tomgnyc I said hybirds not EV's, and it was a report that I believe it was autoline daily mentioned

I've had a hybrid for over 14 years and never plugged it in; haven't found the cord or the place to yet! Will look when it occurs to me, which so far it hasn't! If I owned a PHEV, I would use it in all electric mode (charged) as much as possible, except for cycling the gas every 3 months or so!

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It wasn't added. It already existed