Philharmonic Ceramic Mini Review (LIVE!)

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@leodesforges161 Жыл бұрын

FWIW, these do come with grilles. They are magnetic and look just fine. Great review Erin.

@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын

Sorry. I guess I missed them in the box. I’ll pin your post so others are aware.

@leodesforges161 Жыл бұрын

@@ErinsAudioCorner Thank you brother. Glad you liked these. Mine are amazing in my very small listening room. The bass is seriously good. I don't know how Dennis sells these so cheaply.

@wa2368 Жыл бұрын

@@ErinsAudioCornerHow do these look good? They look like a lil piece of sht speaker. You should review some large floorstanders homie. Review something big, intelligent and unique like the Polk L800 designed for bamfs!

@ben23a31 Жыл бұрын

@@ErinsAudioCornerwould the grills help diffuse diffraction? Some speakers are designed to perform better with their grills on. But if that is the case here wouldn't measuring them with the grills on have a different +/- result.

@joentell Жыл бұрын

You came in looking so happy at the beginning. That makes me happy for you.

@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын

Thanks man. I’m feeling good these days. Life is turning around in a positive way.

@DBravo29er Жыл бұрын

Agreed!!! SO good seeing Erin smiling and in good spirits!! :D

@Brandon-qs3jq Жыл бұрын

Dennis Murphy is one of the nicest guys I’ve ever met in this hobby. He designs crossovers for Salk Sound, which is a fantastic speaker company owned by Jim Salk. Check ‘em out if you haven’t already. Great review!

@WeeWeeJumbo Жыл бұрын

I’m listening to Song3s right now! The audio world needs this brand, lol

@Brandon-qs3jq Жыл бұрын

@@WeeWeeJumbo For sure. Enjoy!

@a3marketing991 7 ай бұрын

Salk is closing it's doors.

@jasonyandow3145 Жыл бұрын

Hey Erin, excellent work as usual! Just wanted to mention that whenever a manufacturer uses (P-P) or point to point in their x-max specifications, then divide it by half to get traditional one way linear excursion capability. True x-max spec (that you would use in any calculation or software I've ever seen) is from coil at rest, to displacement in the forward direction. Some manufacturers use the point to point spec, which includes linear coil displacement in the forward and rear direction, thus doubling the true specification one would use. For instance, Seas has always used P-P, while Scan Speak has always designated one way with a plus/minus in front of the number indicating that it's half of the point to point. Cheers, Jason aka Diypole

@dilbyjones Жыл бұрын

First stereo dude im excited about in a while. Excellent.

@02honeydew Жыл бұрын

Wild, I literally searched on here yesterday for a review of these and now here you are lol

@paulwilliamson3798 Жыл бұрын

I have the SB Acoustics Micro-C. SB speakers are incredible for what they output (especially in this small of a package). Can see why Philharmonic went with them for their speaker

@59seank Жыл бұрын

Thanks Erin. I enjoy your reviews!

@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@bobbiebreese9377 Жыл бұрын

These look like the Refernce / Vento Series from Canton. Canton also uses a Ceremic Tweeter. Curiuous how the two compare against each other.

@adsph Жыл бұрын

Very nice looking loudspeaker. Great review with impressive details. Well done.

@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly!

@laurentkoehl771 Жыл бұрын

Hi Erin and thank’s a lot for all the work and efforts you put into your reviews. I’m an insatiable fan of yours as well as GR Research reviews and work. Trying to link subjective personal listening experience to undeniable and relevant datas. Would you consider adding to your analysis a spectral decay data sheet ? I think it’s a great add to go further deep into the analysis and trying to explain listening impressions. Great review for these speakers. Listening to non pure acoustic music at realistic sound volume should make adding a sub almost mandatory not only to compensate the inevitable lack of first octavas but to preserve the bass-mid woofer and lowering the distortion below 80-120hz. Sadly it would cost at least as much for a decent one. Greetings from France.

@User_not_found_403 Жыл бұрын

I think these would work great in my small space with a sub. Color-wise I'd go opt for high-gloss white. I like the shape of these puppies too. Seems like they were designed to avoid standing waves in a traditional box design.

@leodesforges161 Жыл бұрын

I have mine in a tiny listening room. No need for a sub, but if you do use a sub, make sure its fast and can get into the 20's, otherwise you may not need it.

@JeffAdairKTM530 Жыл бұрын

love these videos - thank you

@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

@varunu4176 Жыл бұрын

Someone send this man a KEF LS 60 wireless !!! Great review man, you're a game-changer when it comes to speaker reviews.

@user-xg6zz8qs3q Жыл бұрын

In my limited experience, the LS60 just sounds like the LS50 Meta Wireless but with better bass. The 7k€ price is a little steep in my opinion. But the LS60 is truly fullrange, most speakers (even towers) aren’t until you reach about $5k as a price point. But I can’t shake the feeling that a pair of AudioVector QR3 (2600€) paired with a Cambridge Evo 150 (2400€) would get you there for 2k€ less. Granted, there’s no room correction EQ.

@dansuess4859 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Erin for another great review. After watching this I was wondering what your thoughts are comparing these to the Arendal 1961 bookshelf. Similar price, deeper bass with these but if both are crossed to a sub which might work better nearfield/desktop? Thanks!

@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah Жыл бұрын

Good speaker. Well reviewed too Erin. The F3 is impressive for its size

@leodesforges161 Жыл бұрын

Their bass extension is absurd in my tiny room. I own a pair. No need for a sub at all, even with rap, electronic, etc.

@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@leodesforges161 7 ай бұрын

I added a small sub. It's nice, but not really "better". But again, my room reinforces bass like crazy.

@Bradimus1 Жыл бұрын

Sensitivity isn't great, but it's small and has a high order well designed crossover. Seems pretty darn good.

@leodesforges161 Жыл бұрын

I'm driving mine with a $200 SMSL a300 and they sound great. If they are 84db, its honest. I find them as easy to drive as my emotiva b1+. I'm in a tiny room, though.

@ubacow7109 Жыл бұрын

For nearfield it should be fine unless you have a strong amp to drive it for dedicated spaces

@nc3419 Жыл бұрын

@@leodesforges161 How does it compare to the B1+ in soundstage depth, width and tonality? I have the ML 15i which is supposedly similar sounding to the B1+ which I drive with a small but well designed 50 watt integrated. The size is a better fit than the BMR which is huge. I listen in an approximately 300 sq ft room or so at low to moderate levels about 7-8 feet from the speakers. Thanks for sharing any opinions.

@leodesforges161 7 ай бұрын

Just seeing this now@@nc3419 My room is small enough to make width tough to get much of. It's wall to wall, occasionally a bit outside the wall, but the walls are only 7.3' apart. But depth is great... but my room is really well treated. I think the room is more important than the speakers for imaging/soundstage. That said, depth is excellent. With good content, the soundstage is really impressive. Depth and small location cues are incredibly good.

@leodesforges161 5 ай бұрын

Ceramic is way better in all regards. THe bass is the largest difference though, which is to say: the ceramics are so much better with bass depth and quality. For their size it doesnt really make sense.@@nc3419

@NeilBlanchard Жыл бұрын

If the tweeter was offset say 0.75"-1" to the inside of the cabinet (so there would have to be a left and a right speaker) - would the diffraction dip you mention, be reduced/removed?

@nc3419 Жыл бұрын

3.2 ohm minimum per Phil website...might be a bit much for low powered amps regarding heat although your measurements are closer to 4 ohms? Reminds me of Dali Menuet speakers in that they were a bit difficult to drive but they fall under 3.5 ohms for a rather large part of the lower mids frequency range.

@FOH3663 Жыл бұрын

"smash the fire outta that thumbs up button" ... Very nice! Again, much appreciated!

@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын

Thanks again!

@alexorigoni8626 Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@ioannisloungos9489 Жыл бұрын

My opinion on the "diffraction theme" its not at all matter of boxe's edge but on crossover "damping" on second order of drivers and possibly on order difference between the drivers! I use alot of sb acoustics and i was on the way to use these ceramic ones on my setup! (I have the midwoofers already for my car .…..them or the carbons will go on!!!!)

@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын

Diffraction is the issue. It’s the relationship of the driver location wrt baffle size. You can model this very easily using free programs. 😎

@ioannisloungos9489 Жыл бұрын

@@ErinsAudioCorner first i have to say that I admire your job! I have some of knowledge in area of acoustics. And believe me i had similar situation on a try marching between m18 vifa with xt25 that i was going with big resistance on woofers second order (the capacitor in parallel with the woofer there!!!!) (second order electricaly that acoustically was some 8 to 9 db per octave) there i found lots of summing and missmatching that when i drop resistance off and made more stiffer slope gone away!

@ioannisloungos9489 Жыл бұрын

Also I have to say that i cant accept that so much good job on building with so crazy curvature have issues on diffraction and there is my point that goes on cross more than theme that its hard to accept! At this moment i njoy your new jbl video ! "Keep on"

@joshcatstream Жыл бұрын

I have some speakers with very similar off axis performance and I'm not sure I really agree with the marketing on these, specifically this claims "crossed low enough to match the radiation pattern of the ceramic woofer, without resorting to a wave guide." It's pretty evident from even their own data that this isn't the case. What I see is the usual bloom between 3-6k which IMO looks like most typical two ways. I do have some waveguided speakers and they don't have the bloom at all. This is really the only aspect I have issue with in what I assume is an otherwise great sounding speaker.

@dennismurphy3802 Жыл бұрын

Fair enough. One of the reasons I submitted the Ceramics for a review was to see what the Klippel machine would show about directivity. If I understood Erin's comments correctly, a lot of the directivity error is coming from vertical rather than horizontal dispersion. It's very difficult to evaluate directivity thoroughly without the Klippel measurements. I've arranged to have future preliminary designs Klippel tested to get a complete picture of radiation patterns.

@riorecchia Жыл бұрын

My comment has nothing to do with the video but I would love to hear your thoughts on the affordable Micca RB42

@Novilicious Жыл бұрын

Please do more tower reviews if possible. Something special about towers that bookshelves just fail at IMO.

@ubacow7109 Жыл бұрын

Efficiency and bass lol. It's gonna b hard for companies to send him towers since they lose a lot of money to shipping and for him to mail em back it's also gonna cost money lol

@Novilicious Жыл бұрын

@@ubacow7109 so true my friend!!

@ashneel Жыл бұрын

That's quite impressive.. an active one would be an instant sell

@p_mouse8676 Жыл бұрын

There is a company called TrueTone speakers, who sell a very similar active design with SB woofers as well. I bumped into them last week.

@edjerum Жыл бұрын

I wondering how these compare to Elac Debut Reference DBR-62. I just got a pair of the Elacs and they sound great, but I'm not keen on the cabinet - vinyl wrap. They are an amazing value sound wise, but these Philharmonic's look like quality so I'd prefer these if this sound is comparable.

@ken33935 Жыл бұрын

DBR-62 goes lower, the Ceramic Mini would sound nicer but you'd need to pair with a sub.

@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын

I’m working on a review for that Elac speaker right now. I know it has been tested elsewhere but no one has the compression and distortion data that I do and that’s what I’m interested to see.

@RennieAsh Жыл бұрын

Would have been cool to compare these to the 4" kit that SB Acoustics makes

@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын

Link?

@svalbard01 Жыл бұрын

@@ErinsAudioCorner It's the Micro-C kit on madisound. $645 KZfaq won't let me link for some reason.

@drh3b Жыл бұрын

@@svalbard01 Allowing links is a setting somewhere in the creator's tool box. It might default to NO, but if Erin searches around, he should be able to enable links in comments. Unless it's a different issue.

@svalbard01 Жыл бұрын

@@drh3b That's good to know. I've wondered about that. Thanks for the info.

@billjon12 Жыл бұрын

What is an acoustic crossover that you referred to regarding this speaker. Please refer back to about the 18 minute mark in this video.

@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын

Electric crossover is the component's crossover (resistors, inductors, capacitors). The drivers+enclosure have their own shape. So the combination of the drivers+enclosure+electrical crossover yield the final acoustical crossover.

@billjon12 Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@VandepoelM Жыл бұрын

Who makes the drivers for philharmonic?

@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын

SB Acoustics. These are off-the-shelf drivers as far as I know.

@mattgiunt 7 ай бұрын

Would these make good surround speakers?

@ErinsAudioCorner 7 ай бұрын

Yeah.

@NackDSP 9 ай бұрын

Looks like the only way to buy these is to search the website for the email address and then ask?

@leodesforges161 7 ай бұрын

correct

@paul87buick Жыл бұрын

Hope your feeling better covid is nasty

@georgebliss964 Жыл бұрын

So what is the ceramic all about? Is it a solid material,presumably stiff? Is it a coating on something else? We have paper,aluminium,kevlar,plastic cone materials etc. Why ceramic? Are there proved advantages? Is it a gimmick?

@dogsbodyish8403 Жыл бұрын

"Ceramic drivers" usually means heavily anodised aluminium. Should be able to maintain pistonic behaviour up to higher frequencies (by having higher stiffness to weight ratio).

@georgebliss964 Жыл бұрын

@@dogsbodyish8403 Thanks for the info, entirely different to what one might expect.

@DBravo29er Жыл бұрын

Ceramic is a moniker that SBA uses to describe a deep anodize on the front and rear of the aluminum cone. It stiffens the cone and linearizes the response, BUT, the breakup behavior is always negatively affected. These drivers are no exception. If one uses LR4 high-order crossovers in their designs (and accept the phase and time issues that this topology brings along), this may be a good tradeoff as the breakup will be much further down in level.

@teachonlywhatiseasy Жыл бұрын

livestream is highly pixelated and extremely blurry in general. could you consider switching reviews to regular uploads.

@Pete_or_Peter4Long Жыл бұрын

What’s your thoughts on Martin Logan’s electrostatic speakers?

@mattbba8451 Ай бұрын

Jelly bean blue, oy.

@Fix_It_Again_Tony Жыл бұрын

18:43 And this is why standards exist. I am sure some marketing wank said "but the number will be higher if you measure it a different way". Thanks for the objectivity, Erin.

@shipsahoy1793 Жыл бұрын

I’m blinded by the color lol Philharmonic (pronounced “fill” “harmonic”) .. where I’m from anyway lol

@alexw890 Жыл бұрын

This is guy is giving these things away at $850. How is that possible? Is he independently wealthy and doesn’t care about profit?

@xavdeman Жыл бұрын

Just means he doesn't have to use huge margins to send to shareholders.

@dennismurphy3802 Жыл бұрын

Don't worry--we're making money on these puppies. The key is low (as in no) overhead. No staff, no ads, no warehouses--just my business partner's garage, living room, and a couple of bathrooms.

@leodesforges161 Жыл бұрын

@@dennismurphy3802 Love it. Lean and Mean.