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No u didn't understood, u were brainwashed.

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They are just professional flat earthers making money from gullible people ...wonder how much they got paid to be on the program...... they no more believe its flat than Buzz Aldrin does

Yep, that moment caused a large amount of coffee to get sprayed at my keyboard. These people are desperately sad.

@@GFW-np5jx I don't follow things because 'the masses believe them' - I follow them if they are demonstrably true. You have chosen another path: You believe absolutely anything at all, as long as it is blieved only by a small group of people who have no knowledge in a field whatsoever. You have decided that the less people know, the more you trust them. The less someone has studied, the more you trust them. When I had cancer a few years ago, I didn't ask my mechanic to deal with it. When my car needs work, I do not ask my surgeon to work on it. The masses are often wrong. But it's not the masses that worked out the shape of the planet. And you guys? You seek the losed-in acceptance of a smaller community of people who believe the same thing you do. No matter how absurd it is. Personally, I don't care about acceptance from anyone except about 5-10 people who are important parts of my life. You clearly have a need to be part of some 'secret club' - a cult you can belong in.

I caught that too....luckily I had NOT taken a sip of anything .... and my ribs are recovering nicely.

What he meant is the use of CGI footage to falsify space looking videos to easily deceive people like you

Its a great quote but flat earthers lose every argument. All you need to do is ask them for evidence and they lose their minds 🤣

It's the cup of tea that got me!

The whole deal with belief systems, is they have to reject aspects of reality to make a claim about how their world works. But there's no underlying structure of framework of knowledge, like you get in real fields of science. They are only addressing some specific criticism. The result is you often find they diametrically contradict something they have previously claimed, without even realising. the golden flerp example is sun motion and other perspective claims. I LOEVE it, it's so hilarious.

He also just said prior to talking about gravity that water finds it's own level. Hmmmmm. I wonder what force causes that to be true about water.

You’re dropping something, it’s falling. No force is behind that other than the air. Like a car going forward

@@AllAroundSleeves How does it move from it's previous position, champ? According to literally EVERY relevant experiment ever conducted.

@@AllAroundSleeves "No force is behind that other than the air." By implying that you think air is a force, you're not really instilling a sense in people that you understand the topic.

Yeah they are too stupid to understand their own contradiction 🤣

And that is what it is about. Once you have evidence of what you believe in is not (entirely) true, then you can start to research and look further. Question what you are told to believe.

@@hongry-life And they were questioned what causes things to accelerate towards the earth. And they don't know.

@@snaptrap5558 Do you know about the electrical charge of earth and the charge of the air above the earth? And did 'science' ever calculate with that?

@@hongry-life Ah, what does that charge do?

Says the guy who went and polluted his bloodstream multiple times with mystery juice because the TV said so

@@ThePhilosophicalOne the "philosophical one" arguing from emotion 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hey Custy.... I am glad to see (from your avatar) that a Neanderthal is smarter than a 21st Century Flat-Earther. I mean... they don't have any excuse and you're just learning about fire. 😂🤣👍😎

@@macforme Ugg! Me fire, burn!

@@crustydownunder 🤣🔥You have to try marshmallows on a stick over the fire...they are awesome.... be careful, you can burn your mouth... and take the stick out first .... after that there is hotdog on a stick... be creative. 🧯 Love your humor! 👍

Me either, but it's nice to see all 195 countries working together to keep up the scam, for whatever reason.

​@@jonlivesinasiaeven though they cant agree on much else, at all.

@@jonlivesinasia😂

This is just a theory, and only a theory, but the governments of the world could be motivated to lie about the globe Earth, because a round ball is final - there is no place to go, except around and around. Now imagine if there were other lands beyond Antarctica, rich and fertile, and every man, woman, and child could become self sufficient and live like kings - what would happen to Planet Earth's wage slaves? How could kings and queens be special if everyone was as well off as they were and were their own soverign. Wouldn't the globular establishment of Elites do everything in their power to maintain the status quo and aggresively defend their lie. If wage slaves the world over knew they could just get up, and walk away from the grind, thus finding prosperity, they would do it. What better way to keep slaves on the plantation than to convince them there is nothing else to see and there's nowhere else to go. I'm not saying this is true - I'm just saying it would explain a lot.

Where are the whistleblowers 😅.🤦‍♂️

Makes you wonder if there is any hope for humanity. What an intellectual catastrophe that more than 2200 years of building knowledge was completely lost on these guys.

And he only found out how big the earth is. Pythagoras knew the earth was round 300 years before that.

That was a question a child of 4 might ask.... but I assume these men have finished high school by now and are working.

​@@macforme never assume

@@finger3181 you are right.... they could be high school dropouts ! 🙄

@@macforme they definitely never finished highschool

@@drmantistoboggan2870 I wonder what kind of work Flat-Earthers can obtain... and do they share this thinking with people at work. If I was hiring type person I would steer clear of any FEers... in fact, questions like that should be mandatory... to protect the business from nutters ...😂🤣👍

Why name calling? What are your arguments/evidence of what you believe is 100% truth?

why are yall getting offended by that? @@alivingsoul9648

Solar eclipses. we can't see the same stars in the south hemisphere and in the north hemisphere. @@hongry-life

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@@hongry-life Literally the whole body of physics and astronomy since the time of the ancient Greeks.

He was a pilot in the Korean War, so he was a plant to make you think he was a civi!!!!

And a freemason

Some flat Earthers claim it's a Satanic conspiracy to discredit the Bible and Christianity with it. Somehow. Others claim it's a fraud by NASA for tax funds. Without being laughed at by other countries. Others claim it's to hide rich land beyond the Antarctic ice wall so governments can exploit it themselves. Without lots of people.

God has created a globe Earth but Satan has been telling the world that God has been lying that he made a flat Earth.

Because the amount they spent it on is miniscule compared to the lost of power n control of : Scientism, Financial Scam, Free Energy, Medipharma Scams, Academia Indoctrination, and God forbid; Military Industrial Complex AND.......Religion.

Why would people lie that they are women, when they are biological men?

perchè siamo dentro una sorta di stagno, intorno a noi un muro di ghiaccio , il muro di Ross. Oltre a questo muro , percorrendo migliaia di chilometri c'è una cupola che chiude la nostra terra, oppure non c'è nessuna cupola e iniziano nuovi continenti.

Paying attention.

Do you often look at your ceiling to describe your flooring?

Is my dad a blonde Chinese young man?

Makes so much sense ur sentence. “How do fully formed adults believe the Earth is flat? Is the ocean yellow with black stripe and pink circles?” Bro Ure a fully formed adult except on the brain lmao 😂🤣

@@joaopintovb yeah, your ignorance is astounding. Zero research and that’s the only reason you argue. You believe in sci-fi outer space and magic force fields that Defy real scientific laws. Grow up kid. Stop worshipping what was above your cradle.

No, they do not. That is the main problem. It seems it takes a larger brain to grasp larger things.

They don't realize al whole lot more 😅

Its 24,000 miles in circumference according to mainstream science. It takes 24hrs to complete its alleged rotation therefore its moving at 1000 mph at the equator.

@@theeye-ns1ch Yeah so what?

@@theeye-ns1ch And.....?

Especially after they try to disclaim what his own eyes saw 😂

Isn't that precisely what it is you're doing with your own remarks though??

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Who defines these "qualifications?" The government? 😂 Might as well ask, "Did the government give you consent to disagree with the government?" 😂

@@ThePhilosophicalOne Oh wow! You're a flat earther! My point is that there are these things called schools, colleges, and universities where people attend in order to become qualified experts in their field. You're even allowed to attend if you think the earth is flat! How can the people on the interview possibly justify telling scientists from around the globe that they are incorrect, when the interviewees are basing all their knowledge on internet conspiracy theories? Much like religious people, I'm sure most conspiracy theorists don't genuinely believe what they're saying. They're just looking for attention and to be part of a community.

@@jonlivesinasiaAnd if you go against the status quo theories, you don’t get these qualifications.

It was on special for $5.99 with free shipping.... must be the best. ( Yeah, I know they are in the UK) But we have Nutters in the US too, that would use that statistic just as proudly.

You accuse thousands of years of ancient geniuses.. who built temples all around the world with precision. and the horizon... well... accusing the sun of setting is like accusing traintracks of converging.... it's perspective my friend. Be smarter.

Yes you're an IP

@@southstandlufcss5 a what?

@@premabaul7570 You have no idea what perspective is and how it works. Obviously. Very very obviously.

​​@@premabaul7570things "vanishing" due to perspective is an asymptotic phenomenon. Meaning, the distance approaches a limit. The limit is the horizon. If it truly was due to perspective and the sun going further away from you, this is what we would observe: the sun would go down towards the horizon, getting slower and slower and slower, and never actually crossing it. Now what do we ACTUALLY observe? The sun goes towards the horizon with a constant rate of change of angle, never slowing down or speeding up, and crosses it at twilight. The perspective explanation does not fit observations.

Why u lying bro? There’s no curvature and no rotation, keep on moving bruh…

@@joaopintovb stop being pathetic. We can measure rotation and curvature.

Thanks Bob.

@@joaopintovb We are moving, at a 15 degree per hour drift!

@@timehunter9467 that’s what you believe? 😅 first of all it’s not a drift, second it’s not real. But you do you buddy.

When you realize there is no 1 real image of flat earth, no video, no image, NADA, then you'll start to question flatatds ability to use their brains.

Tvoyager 1 "family portrait" is a series of photos that shows 6 plants in the solar system. Of course, you're just gonna shout "fake" without offering any evidence.

Blurry images don't make me a believer. I will stay a skeptical. You guys are like those people that claim to have taken pictures of aliens and UFOs but the images are never clear, nor are ever HD(even though everyone has a HD camera nowadays), NEVER, even though we live in the 2020's!

says the guy who believes in a flat earth when you can freaking see different stars from the south hemisphere and from the North hemisphere. Also, how does google earth work then?

Leandro, science can show that the solar system exists. There is no point in us trying to convince you, Leandro, that the Solar System has 8 spherical planets with a sun in the middle. You won't believe us so you can do whatever you like.

They are close. and your eye cannot see far.

@@hongry-life The stars are closer than the Eiffel Tower? My eyes can see reeeeeaaaallllly far with a telescope....

@@snaptrap5558 The Eiffel Tower is minuscule compared to the stars we see. There's also a bunch of crap in the way, like the Earth itself, because it's a ball. Unless you're in Paris of course.

@@TalesOfWar The Eiffel Tower has lights on it. You would see it at night And how do you know what size the stars are? That's an assumption

@@snaptrap5558 Sure, you can see it at night, if you're within about 50 miles of Paris. And we can figure out how big the stars are with some basic geometry. They're millions and billions of miles away.

Just ask them to pour water.

Indeed I'm egging the point now taking it further, the south 'pole' (or er.. ice wall?) from the north pole should also be viewable. Anything from anywhere (barring physical obstructions) should be visible via telescope on their dream scape. It's batshit bonkers bless em!😂

Phil is silly

Don’t do it bro we don’t want ur opinion on how the world is a big globe in the vacuum rotating at 1670km/h 😭

@@joaopintovb You dont even understand that rotation is measured in rpm :)

@@drmantistoboggan2870 what would make you think that I don’t know? U’re that much bothered about my intelligence? You might want to act like the smart guy here but u’re not.

@@drmantistoboggan2870 but I don’t feel like giving u physics lessons.

I bet if he told them he was that high in a balloon with no window, they would ask him "What shape are your eyeballs?!"

Neil deGrasse Tyson has said that at 120,000 feet the horizon is completely flat, that is his words not mine you can search it up and verify it for yourself.

@@josephgeordielogan4399 Ok even if it's curved above 120k feet, that's not important. The joke is in the flat earth round window argument. If there was no window, I believe they would say "What shape is your eye?" :D

@@josephgeordielogan4399he’s wrong.

@@josephgeordielogan4399he’s wrong.

Horizon from horizontal. How ever high you go there is no globe.

@@jasondavis8886 Yeah and level come from flat 🤣🤣🤣

@@jasondavis8886 Yeah. Except all the other planets, moons, and the sun.

@@bobelot6302 that's imagination and belief. You have no. Idea what you're seeing in the sky. Start with that which you can see like the natural inclination of standing water to maintain level.

@@jasondavis8886 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You mean with the way] our lawmakers find a way to cheat us out of our hard-earned money and try to convince us that the wars they fund do good for us and the world?

He wasn’t lying remember, he was just mistaken 🤷🏻‍♂️

I get where you're coming from, but (a) not doing so would lead them to crying 'censorship', (b) it's somewhat entertaining (or it goes from entertaining to a bit depressing when you realize they're not alone). I saw the gent on the right in another video as a Moon landing denier. Do you happen to know his background (or any of the others here)? I may try to research that later but it's a low priority.

I see the appeal. They are welcoming and friendly. It's a cult

@@talandelana6873 It's a cult? You don't have the first clue about what NASA's founders were into

@@nasalies1292 I bet you struggle to complete simple tasks.

@@Kura-Kekoa Well.. you struggle to comprehend reality and the contradictions of heliocentrism.. and actually it's freaking hilarious that you said I struggle to complete tasks wherever that came from LOL. If you think daily "tasks" are a big thing, you must not even be out of high school. Next time, know you have something before you get cocky. K bud?

@@Kura-Kekoa If ad hominem attacks is the best thing you can do, it truly shows you have ZILCH

You meant thinking people (?)

@@phdbulet1366 Thinking people can explain theeir beliefs and knowledge, which is something you will never see with a flat earther. They ALWAYS tell you to go research, post 4 hour videos of claims backed by claims, switch burden or change topics. All of those tactics are used to deflect by believers who cant understand how evidence works.

​@@phdbulet1366Nah, thinking requires a working brain 😂

I spoke with one and listened with interest. I didn't argue.

@@Dr-Curious Sounds like you just deny evidence but okay post that online

Actually, viewed from space, the boats *would* appear upside down. But "down" would depend on the viewer's orientation.

@@davidbroadfoot1864 not really.....even if you could get far enough away and had a powerful enough telescope it would just look like a standard birds eye view. What sort of perspective are you imagining? by the time youve zoomed in close enough the sea would also fill the lens, negating any relative concepts of 'up' and 'down'. its a big ball and boats planes and people are completely minuscule in comparison

@@JBT-bw8sh It would not be a birds-eye view. Birds are oriented to the nearby surface of the earth, so they have their local horizon. When out in space, your orientation is whichever way the spaceship is facing, looking at the Earth as a ball. Zooming in towards your "top" of that ball, you would see ships floating right way up. Zooming in towards your "bottom" of that ball, you would see ships floating upside down. Saying, "by the time you've zoomed in close enough the sea would also fill the lens" is utter nonsense. If you did that, it means that you did not target the edge of the ball.

@@davidbroadfoot1864 by 'birds eye view' i mean that in the common use of the phrase. top down, like a satellite image. not literally a bird looking out to its horizon....anyway so wait, what your saying is that you need to be at a specific point in space to target a ship that from your perspective is sailing Exactly on the edge of the globe?? ill ask again..what sort of perspective are you imagining? what does this image look like to you? your forgetting that horizon is a relative concept. ill tell you one thing. telescopes, satellites and human eyes dont work like that, you could not see what it is your imagining you could see. If the earth was the size of a tennis ball, a sailing ship would be microscopic, smaller than a grain of pollen. there is no edge on a sphere

@@JBT-bw8sh From a satellite, one can move the telescope up and down slightly to view the opposite side of the planet. For a bird to view the opposite horizon, it would have to tilt its head down so far that its head would be upside down, and the ships would appear to be upside down too (from that frame of reference). No, of course it doesn't have to be exactly on the edge. That was just an example position to make it easier to understand. Re "If the earth was the size of a tennis ball, a sailing ship would be microscopic" ... of course, so you'd have to zoom in until you could clearly see the ship, and just a small portion of the planet. Re "there is no edge on a sphere"... the two-dimensional projection of a sphere onto your eyeball does have an edge. That is what is relevant.

What is the biggest scientific achievement that was made by flat-earth?

@@snaptrap5558 Idk who or what flat earth is?

@@hongry-life Exactly. Nobodies

What multiple directions is earth travelling through? The reason flat earthers get laughed at is they say silly things that arent true and then refuse to accept reality. They lack understanding of the subject they are "debunking" and dont realize how wrong they are. A lot of them are very arrogant and get angry easily too. Its quite hard to be polite to an arrogant, ignorant person

@@snaptrap5558 Again a box that your 'we' or someone created for you. Step out of it and go explore the world.

prove it

​@@bigmonkeyshahaI'm now thoroughly satisfied that it's flat. When I was 4 years old I thought the sky looked like a dome shape. I started looking into it in 2015/6 *very* extensively, and experiment after experiment after experiment, has reinforced the idea that it's flat, and NOT spherical. The sphere was never actually proved, just asserted, and likewise continues to be so to this day. The International Flat Earth Research Society, Eric Dubay, Darren Nesbitt, Dave Murphy, Rob Skiba - experiments of my own such as the moon acting as a cooling mechanism for the Earth (complementing the sun's warming mechanism for the Earth), density, buoyancy, etc. There's next to no excuse these days, to say that you can't establish this for yourself. A gun being pressed to your head or inability to access the vast array of information being two plausible excuses.

@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 okay, then prove it!

Flat Earth believers: Look up "Foucault's pendulum". It is an experiment proving the rotation of the earth that you could replicate yourself with some effort, but instead just visit one of the many sites that have a permanent installation of the experiment. Note that the effect (rotation of the line traced by the swinging pendulum over time) cannot be observed on the equator and is strongest at the poles (as predicted by a globe model). Furthermore note, that the rotation of the pendulum is clockwise on the Northern hemisphere and anti-clockwise on the Southern hemisphere (as predicted by the globe model). How could you make the same observations on a flat earth?

The brainwashing is strong! The Bible is my proof. We are enclosed by a firmament which cannot be penetrated. 🚀

prove it

Gravity is both a theory and a law. Learn what those words mean in science before using them.

@@msa7933 Would you agree with me that earth is flat?

Correct. Gravity is well defined, has been rigorously tested, repeatedly verified and never falsified.

Ever seen bubbles in space or greenscreen problems with austronats in the ISS?? 😂😂

@@Grote-smurf : How about FE claims of superhuman eyesight in New Zealand?

​@@Grote-smurfLiterally doesn't matter, just look up and see it in the sky

@@Grote-smurf "Ever seen bubbles in space or greenscreen problems with austronats in the ISS??" Youre laughing, and yet the answer is no. And neither have you. Youll try to post a 5 hr video and nothing will back up what you claim.

@@Cosmic-Spanner still at it huh? lying about the simplest things that can be disproven in 2 seconds lol pathetic

Says the guy who believes planes fly upside down 😂🤣

@@joaopintovb A lot of planes can fly upside down. your comment isnt the zinger you think it is

@@drmantistoboggan2870 show me one. And I’m talking about passenger planes, commercial flights, as I believe you correctly assumed, so when you’re telling me a lot of planes fly upside down, I’m really intrigued to see one actually doing it.

Explain your thoughts about the matter. I see only your assessment of persons, not you discussing the brought up arguments.

@@hongry-life fair enough. If you were to hover high enough above london in a hot air balloon or a helicopter, would you be be able to see Australia from that piont with a stronger enough telescope?

What's the overlap of religious ideology and these wacky beliefs, do you reckon?

Religion is not related to this.

@@user-bk9fk2tq2zit is, because they both rely on faith and apologetics, which is essentially trying to use argument and occasionally misinterpreted or falsely attributed parts of science to explain the faith belief.

@@coolkid9967 Lots of mainstream religions are outdated and flawed. But the existence of God has not been disproven. God could still exist. Evolution is a fact, and abiogenesis might be a fact too, but that doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. And if God exists, then yes, it is not the God of any man-made religion. Regardless, a being who created the universes (yes, I think there might be more than one universe) could exist.

@@user-bk9fk2tq2z The key point you've made is that there "might" be. I don't need or intend to disprove the notion of a god because its quite literally unfalsifiable. It is not a scientific belief, it is based on philosophy entirely. I could say that any number of things were the universal first mover but this doesn't change much of anything in regards to what it is. AE: Flying Spaghetti Monster, Tea kettle orbiting saturn, etc. What you're describing is a deistic belief as opposed to a theistic one, and I tend to like this style of belief myself. Nonetheless I recognize it is purely a belief and lies in the realm of philosophy, it is nowhere close to science outside of the loose conjecture regarding OOL and the beginning of the universe. Thus far physics have demonstrated no issue which created a "need" for god. Our understanding of black holes and the forces of gravity, spacetime, etc are sufficient to explain the universe quite well. Nonetheless we don't know everything, but I wouldn't leap towards some godly figure. Even in the realm of philosophy we can use occams razor to figure this. Is it more likely that some extradimensional being handcrafted the universe, with all its nonsense and suffering, or is it more likely that the universe is a pure result of natural processes which have no feelings in regard to what humans value? I tend to think the latter is more likely, and could perhaps become near irrefutable upon discovery of an extraterrestrial civilization.

*"only a theory"* With that, you show us you don't have the first clue of what is a scientific theory. Also, please read up on the Law of Universal Gravitation. Not a hypothesis. Not a theory. A law.

@@coriscotupi a theory is something not proven and gravity is a, as they call it “well-established scientific theory”, still a theory tho. Don’t tell me u believed planes fly upside down? 😂🤣

@@joaopintovb Please read up on the definition of scientific theory. While you're at it, also read about the LAW OF UNIVERSAL GRAVITATION. As for "flying upside down: only complete idiots and children confuse opposite hemispheres with being "upside down". Are you a child?

And yet all flatters claim there is a force that causes matter to fall to the ground.

@@kitcanyon658 never heard such claim from the so called “flatters”

Globe Earthers believe planes are flying upside down and the earth is a globe in vacuum rotating at 1670km/h 😂🤣

@@joaopintovb : are you boggled by many hard concepts and big numbers? Flatters claim New Zealanders can see the sun thousands of miles further away than Canadians can. How lame is that? Lol.

@@kitcanyon658 Ure talking about the so called flatters that go on this stupid shows? 😂

@@joaopintovb You dont even understand that rotation is measured in rotation per unit of time but you think youre smarter than all of known science :)

@@joaopintovb we don't believe planes are flying upside down, you aren't even smart enough to know what 'down' means. I feel sorry for you.

Buoyancy? That sounds interesting. What's its formula?

Buoyancy is an effect of gravity.

@@TalesOfWar gravity has never been proven...EVER and there's two gravitational theories. One is from Newton a Free mason and the other from Einstein. Both still nothing more than theories

@@traviscarr4698 1) Theory in science science is the explanation of a natural phenomenon that is backed up by multiple lines of the best evidence that we have. It's not a guess. That's what a hypothesis is. General relativity is the most successful scientific theory in the history of science. Your illiteracy is not a valid reason to deny it. 2) Objects falling is the proof of gravity. The fact that objects with different masses fall at the same time in the vacuum chamber shows that gravity is proportional to mass. 3) Buoyancy is the result of a fluid with higher density being pulled down harder than an object with lower density. Go back to school.

gravity can be measured not gonna argue im right period density doesnt make things fall any faster either only drag objects also weigh less at the poles also mountain tops or elevation etc

It's a holographic disc

They didn’t, that’s just another lie you fell for instead of checking it out

It is contained in bottles and takes the shape of the bottle how is it contained on a ball spinning in middle of nowhere?

@@nevergone111 a massively dense sphere of rock with powerful gravitational pull towards it's centre? uuuh, that's how "Human". Although, I would assume you were a machine learning bot trying to understand basic and fundamental science.

@@MokuTom show me that as a experiment then that water sticks to a massive rock on earth you have all the elements here bra ! Difference is I use my brain and think you take everything and run ? Have you ever been to space and have you seen earth as a sphere?

@@nevergone111 Have you ever been to space and have you seen Earth as flat ? I never had a full discussion with a flat earther, so I wonder why do you think it's flat?

@@keithamaya8713 same question to you have you seen it as as sphere and have you seen curvature without fish eye lens and cgi ? The thing is that you can’t anymore tell difference on what is real on a screen and what is fake to much brainwashing, not just you but all of us

"15 degrees per hour drift" "Thanks Bob" 😂

Physics 🤪

That is because we are all stupid and not as intelligent as you flat-earthers.

As opposed as living on a pizza which should make more sense?

all navigation is based on a globe. Cope and seethe

@@drmantistoboggan2870 explain plane sailing brainiac

@@jasondavis8886 hahaha Thats a good one mate, ya got me. I thought you were a serious flerf. Well done

@@drmantistoboggan2870 Nope, everyone uses flat maps.

Globe just means 'lump'. If you mean ball? That is a projection of a flat map. Even NASA said in a report that the findings were based on "a stationary flat surface of earth". Look it up.