I have no idea

You're doing a free concert?

Giveaway?

@@sarcastic_bee2410 lol

Rush E

Probably because HB either rotoscoped or used film frames as art references and WB didn’t.

Nice comment, I was totally impressed with that animation of tom doing piano.

its not that bad of a result

Tom is more skilled

@@patrickstewart3446 HB didn't rotoscoped or used film frames like other comment said before, they take their own time and fully animate It because It doesn't have that "rotoscope awkwardness" (credits to other comments). Edited: Credits is actually belong to an user named "Blockoumi"

Read my name❤

SAME

If your only using white keys your more than likely going to make something that sounds okay

@@nickhaas9185 oh

@@nickhaas9185 actually if u use black keys there'll be something even more ok😂

They managed it in Tom and Jerry

true that, my friend

Almost Debussy-esque

Agreed

They did miss animating any key hits on minor keys. It's not bad for major keys only.

Sounded like the only thing they got wrong is the key scale is backwards with the scene. Right hand playing low, left high as opposed to most pianos, right high, left low. Everything else was similar at least

Underrated comment, but you really aren't wrong. I learned the beginning of 'Minute Waltz by Chopin' from 'Forest of Piano'

I love Forest of Piano!

Not to mention, Kids on the Slope

Pixar's Soul too

Yes i watched your lie in april it was amazing

That's actually quite a chad move. EDIT: I was 200th like LMAO

@@CrafterDaemon Congrats

I always preferred T&J over BB, and knowing that they animated the right keys is just too satisfying know they got the Oscar despite all the controversy over the plagiarism

Tom and Jerry did it first anyway. Luney Toons copied it

@@trashboat2687 Looney tunes didn't actually copy that piece was really popular among animations search for a short called rhapsody rivets

Wow

Animation is already very difficult. Personally I don't mind the animators not getting it right it's a cartoon not a doc.

Yes, you can look it up, the episode's title is "Cat Concerto", if I'm not mistaken. Also Tom's pianist gestures, posture and body movement is following the rhythm and the melody. A marvelous animation 😍❤️

The fact that it's not in modern animation where everything is easier (not saying it's easy, it is still hard...But now it's better ig??), makes it more amazing...

@@vleaky3430 not really difficult

It is when compares to what its trying to imitate. The bugs piece is copying is the piano sequence from Tom and Jerry. Before you ask, yes Tom did play ever note correctly

@@mikecheck5937 No, he didn't. A lot of the notes midway through become incorrect. The beggining notes? Sure. But past around 10 seconds notes also become innacurate on Tom's side. Let alone, there's no evidence that Tom was the original short. It seems plausible given the history of both shorts but even the unofficial version claims The Cat Concerto was an answer to Rhapsody Rabbit. And that's not even adressing the point I made here. I know more about animation than thousands of pianists do and there's a reason why this kind of thing is common and low priority in animation: it's time consuming, hard and bloats production costs (which sure, makes the Tom and Jerry short more impressive for going the distance but doesn't change that the point of the short isn't even the piano playing proper but the comedy of Bugs being annoyed by the mouse)

@@roskiart8750 you can just look at the dates. Secondly it was still very accurate so much that it was noted for its extreme accuracy for an early animation. Old animation were poor there is nothing to changed that. But you can still say one was better or worsely animated. Lastly a animator doesn't need to go out of their way to animate something, but it does mean that your quality does go up in others eyes (since quality is mostly subjective).

@@mikecheck5937 "you can just look at the dates." Yes, I can. Rhapsody Rabbit came out first(November 9, 1946. The Cat Concerto? April 26, 1947. You know, over 5 months of difference). "Secondly it was still very accurate so much that it was noted for its extreme accuracy for an early animation." Which I never denied was positively impressive, but to assume that should be the standard is patently absurd. I can't stop pianists for feeling miffed every time an animation goes the easy route, but I can say without guilt they're coming form a place of ignorance when they ask incredibly stupid questions like "is it really that hard?". Yes, yes it is even today, which is why it's so rare to see it done right! And like I said, PRODUCTION TIME AND BUDGET. Animation is a craft. Work. Paid. It requires time and money to be made and it's not always available for things that in the end are often minutiae. I repeat, yes, that makes all the more admirable that Tom and Jerry(partially) went the distance, but to look down on Rhapsody Rabbit based on this criteria is patently ridiculous.

@@roskiart8750 I also said that quality is subjective. Meaning that author can view it by any means from a negative view. As long as the have something to justify that view in this case they do. What you find to be a petty factor is different than author

yeah a producer could probably sample the hell out of that

Yes I thinking the same....it does sound similar

What the

Its terrible

It's an effing cartoon! It's supposed to make you laugh! It's not a didactic for Hannon Virtuoso Pianist! What the actual eff is the matter with all of you?

Check out kids on the slope

it has great animations

Doesn't Tom & Jerry's version have most of the notes right

Cat concerto, the Tom and Jerry version was incredibly accurate with the same piece

Um your lie in april has left the chat

Exactly lol, "Poorly Animated" isnt really the right term

A pianist and an animator? Please make me your disciple! Plzzzz

@@lynxarcade2020 kinda mood

I swear this man's gonna come out as an neurosurgeon next kudos to you for being both a pianist AND an animator

So he has no reason to fail.

I like some authenticity when it comes to animating stuff like this. EDIT: ESPECIALLY if it's something you're passionate about. Heck, in Metalocalypse (one of my favorite shows), most of the time they would accurately animate the fret finger placement and the strumming using recorded footage from one of the show's creators, Brendon Small, who makes Dethklok's music. (He's a sick guitarist.)

obviously the animators know how they work, still dude that cartoon was obviously done just for entertainment, not really as an artistical piece of animation

@@2idiot2animate28 exactly. these knobheads think that cartoons have to be the same as reality. Just look at that. Is there any rabit that plays piano? Obviously no. And I'm pretty sure 99% of the words cartoon says arent synchronise with their lips. But who is there to complain it? Obviously no one because no one is an idiot. The same case happens here. Just if because youre a pianist doesnt mean to get out of way to complain things. Saying humanity arent improved that much. dude, whatre you holding in your hand right now? Is that a 30 Kg phone that was made in 1930? Absolutely no mate. Thats the prove human is improving.

It's not that they don't know how they work, they have to do tons of frames very fast

@@AtanoKSi that does make sense in the 1930’s - 1990’s. Luckily we have Adobe apps. Still, they were still very productive rather than using modern technology.

When was this made? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/otqhq5Cb1JzFh3k.html

I noticed the same thing when Stewie is trying to write a song for Suzie Swanson on guitar. He's just practicing campfire chords, but the chord shapes are all accurate. Always impressed when I see an accurate portrayal of people playing instruments.

Some guy without a mustache

Agreed. Second

Maybe respond?

Shows: Your lie in April, Piano no mori

You have to shut up

Especially over a hundred years ago they had to draw every frame by hand

also most animation was and still is drawn with the characters having only 4 fingers! it's a world of mostly fantasy people don't get too serious

exactly^

@@NovaBoi7 uhh today animators still have to do that lol. Yes i know that there are tools to assist them but still.

@@dacrazyhippo well yea but now there’s rigs n stuff on flash

Then you have shows like Metalocalypse which did their best to make sure the finger placements were correct on the guitar.

Very true lmao, people really dont see the struggle in animating (especially in those days where each frame was hand drawn). People take such small detail too seriously

Tom and Jerry won an Oscar for an animation exactly like this. Only it was Tom and they animated him playing the right notes. Got world wide recognition for it. No one said it’s easy but it’s 100% worth doing.

Only worthy for making videos like this

plus usually you greatly exaggerate things to communicate it to the average viewer. Not for it to make sense.

Friz freleng had the best timing

Yeah

Read my name❤

Agreed 💯

True. However those that take the time and effort for accuracy deserve a special place in heaven.

No need to take it too seriously This video is clearly just poking a lil fun at that nothing serious

Exactly lol, i dont see why people complain bout such small details. Besides not like everyones a pianist. The majority of the watchers prolly dont even realize theres a mistake. Animatings hard and people should realize that. Edit: Underrated comment btw

Thanks for this! Didn’t know that, very interesting. They’re still great cartoons though

Straight up

And then you have Cat Concerto from Tom & Jerry which got Oscar awards

@@EternalShadow1667 You're welcome! There are some fascinating interviews with OG Disney animators who said they sometimes spent DAYS searching the animation records room for a specific animation loop because their bosses demanded they reuse them whenever possible. The animators hated it because they could have just come up with something entirely new and moved on in less time than it took to FIND it let alone adapt it. I love rewatching the old cartoons, now, because I have so much respect for how much work it took to make that kind of magic.

You have to at such a slow part of the music though. Otherwise, you end up with the musical equivalent of those bad dubs where a character says one syllable loudly & slowly but their mouth moves multiple times.

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Patronizing much?

+Respect

Exactly. I don't understand these people getting frustrated over cartoons of all things messing up notes on an instrument. And ofc it's all from channels who play specified instrument so they can just use that to their advantage to get more validation on a pointless complaint lmao.

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Omg it's so annoying though because I'm a pianist and I know music, but Bugs Bunny is playing the piece WRONG. Maybe it's because I'm a pianist but I find it so annoying. Did I mention I'm a musician and I play the piano?? In fact I can play this piece and it just annoys me to see an animated animal playing it wrong!!!

@@loejewis I know you're a pianist, but like they said, it's just for entertainment purposes

@@jcoolguy1548 wow was that a plane or the joke flying over your head?

And that's why the animators of Tom and Jerry have an Oscar for actually doing it accurately whereas you likely won't get one with that attitude.

@@mariakhan7986 who?

Idk why a person who is gud at instruments get frustrated as such a trivial detail , I have been playing guitar for 6 yrs and I don’t really give a shit if some cartoon plays some thing wrong

@@mariakhan7986 "With that attitude" the animators don't get to decide details like that. Also you're just proving how much work it is to add those kinds of details, not everyone wants to go through that.

@@mariakhan7986 how to tell me you are a jaded instrument player drowning in copious amounts of copium without telling me you are a jaded instrument player drowning in copious amounts of copium

As if anyone but an obsessive psycho would care about it being the right notes or not lol

@@thunderstar7116 you calling out the uploader or...? Jk jk 😂

why am I the only one that didn't understand anything? this comment has a whopping and shocking amount of 366 likes! I literally thought that a 2year old wrote it

To red tooth blue tooth: I can happily translate for you. The original comment is basically saying that these cartoons were made at a time before the public was able to have free access to rewatch and put any little mistake made onto a microscope for imperfections or flaws, which is true if you think about it. Movies were made on reels and nobody really had access to replay them except for movie theaters at the time

@@redtoothbluetooth5794 It's because your a NPC...

For real.

The Tom and Jerry animators did it accurately in "The Cat Concerto"

I would presume none of the animators knew how pianos work

I mean tbf, I do think the Looney Tunes would be somewhat focused on music, hence the name, but I don't know.

@@toothlesstoe How can someone not know how a piano works?

But not the friska I think

@@peculiar297 Nah. The friska is still accurate coz i always watch Hungarian rhapsody no. 2 from Rousseau and piano concerts of michael andreas which is the great great grandson of Franz Liszt

@@ougi6524 oh nice By the way I am a real fan of Rousseau too...

@Belle ♪ bruh

Considering the fact that Cat Concerto was done during the 1940s that is already more impressive than the Looney Tunes one

“Poorly animated” is an obscene, disrespectful and stupid assertion. These are the best animations ever created. Hand painted frame by frame. Poorly animated started when single static images remained on screen for 10 seconds or more, and only the mouths moved, but not with precision. Just 4 or five basic positions that are sequenced to approximate 5% of what and actual pronunciation might look like. Often it’s reuse of a previously used sequences which doesn’t even get close to what the pronounced line would look like. That is poorly animated.

@@Ed_Mann And there's those VERY cheaply animated cartoons where they slide the animation cells around and use real life lips to "lip sync". For a parody example, check out Mr. Incredible and pals (preferably with commentary).

@@cadethumann8605 exactly. It’s a lost art.

This series is idiotic. Nitpicking decades old cartoons is stupid.

And of course, it's just a cartoon. The animators most likely didn't think it had to be realistic

That’s not true, these productions took 6 months to complete. After the script was written, the first week was actors meeting in a room to block out movements in the general scenes, which as filmed. Then, those films were edited to designate the composition of a world class orchestral score. Once that was written and recorded, the voices and sound effects tracks were created. After that, hundreds of artists went to work hand-painting each frame of the animation. And that’s just a very basic overview. There are video documents which show each part of this process along with interviews with the actors. Mel Blanc, Carl Stallings and support production team.

@@Ed_Mann Either way, that is still a lot of hard work, and calling it poorly animated still isn't right.

this production took nearly a year to release, which resulted in a lawsuit when cat cacophony also came out, doing the same song except with Tom and Jerry. these aren't just animated ( and this was beautifully animated in traditional style, "accurate " or not; it's amazing animation. That's impressive bc it's not done by cgi or automatic software. they hand draw each and every frame. few *weeks*? lol this is nothing short of a masterpiece if it took a few weeks. you crazy kids

5head stuff right here.

😂

Exactly

Finally, a wise comment.

Just like a coyote can fall off a 1000 cliff and walk away like an accordion. It’s a cartoon. Kids don’t care

^ This right here!!!

I rly don't care even now

💯💯💯

in fact its fun to see how probably some people that enjoyed the bugs bunny's short instead of the tom and jerry short started to hate it just because of the inaccuracy of the piano notes, those mtf's would wish to animate atleast as good as a hanna barbera cartoon XD

It's funny watching them try to play the accurate version of what it sounds like tho

They may know how to play a piano, but they definitely don’t know how hard animation is and how time-consuming and unnecessary it would be to make sure the character hits the right notes 💀

@ren yeah its way more difficult than animating them moving normally. Drawing the piano's already kind of a pain. And then does one honestly expect the animators to be like... I dunno, learn able to do everything? from piano to violin to guitar to singing to any other skill/activity just to animate one short scene

I'm so triggered

@Anonymous Person Exactly

That's playing the piano. Not animating it

@@jamesbigfan300 oh meh gosh they didnt play the piano correctly am so triggered!!!111!!!11

@@user-C3ryb5UVr257nJlWxvwRthA even the piano and key size... Why

yeah, that's true.

But there are different people who just have to nitpick everything.

I just don't get it. Why would anyone expect a show with a talking rabbit to be 100% accurate when it comes to a piano solo.

@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 because another show did it better

I’m a pianist and I never would have noticed this, haha.

wh-what do you mean?

@@misenthropic the piano in the video looks like a real piano

The piano wasn't animated, it was literally part of the background which OBVIOUSLY is just a painting... cartoon's animation is different from flipbooks...

Yeah

Tom n Jerry did it. Bugs is lackin

@@spudwickthrockmorton2112 yes, but that was because the director made the decision to have it done correctly and provided the animators with what they needed to do so. With Bugs, don't blame the animators for not doing it properly. It's not like they could pull up a KZfaq video on their phones to check back then.

@@faolan2174 dont blame them at all, its a lot of extra work to do a fully accurate animation of actual piano playing, for deminishing returns. He plays the same notes because they reuse the motions, because thats all that is needed to convey the action. It makes for a cool video where you see what hes actually playing, but animating every hand motion would be a lot more work and it would be pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things, unless thats something you want to show off

@@spudwickthrockmorton2112 my Asian buddy scored 100%,for you not to score the same means that you nd every single one of you westerners are slacking mofos.

Beats the F out of Captain Planet, or other modern frauds that couldn't find the vaudeville spirit with a map..

I'd be happy if they just went back to the intelligent writing.

@@ThatsMrPencilneck2U When cartoons didn't feel like cartoons while also being cartoons

Hate to be 'THAT' person buuut... Going by what you have said, you (And the 277 people that liked it) Have no idea how frames work. Because 1500 fromes over a 20min cartoon would mean a whopping.......1.25 FRAMES per SECOND. (FPS = Frames per second) Basically a comic book. As where your original example, 35000 frames in 8 min, would equate to 72.916 Frames per second. not only is your example massivly off scale, it's 100% the other way around, more frames per second are drawn (animated) today than they were 100 years ago, in a fraction of the time. I will however conceed, that many cartoons and shows story eliments have really gone downhill though.

@@Whitewolf1984p Hate to be that person BUT..... I never said modern cartoons have "1500 frames of animation" I said "1500 frames of unique animation" modern cartoons reuse a lot of animation, and have a lot of stills that drag on. Sometimes they don't even animate the character, or they use frame inbetweening to fill things in. They didn't have shortcuts to use back then. If they wanted bugs bunny to do something, they had to painstakingly animate by hand. Here's an example from an anime I like: Dragon Ball Z has tons of scenes where they cut back and forth between characters. During those scenes you usually don't see the character animated at all, just the mouth, so they can just reuse the face animation they made for the series.

Probably not impossible, since Your Lie in April seemed to handle it just fine

@@samueltreminivalle3494 not impossible yeah. But that's also because your lie in april is focused on a pianist. The animators were probably given actual clips to study.

Tom & Jerry Cat concerto- ahem

I suppose that would depend on the budget of the animation studio in question. There is no doubt that Warner Bros has that kind of budget at their disposal. But other animation studios may not have that budget so they cut corners. With that being said they definitely could have animated Bugs Bunny's fingering correctly but chose not to

@@rudrodeepchatterjee THANK YOU

respect o7

omg where do i watch it?

@@nickeman132 wahh i wanna know too o.O

@@nickeman132 I’m trying to figure out how to put it in a yt allowed way Tick-Tock (I hope the typo helps) beanandessantos Last one pinned (so, first one to appear)

@@sonderwater I just replied to the comment above yours with instructions! (KZfaq is kinda tricky with links and such)

@@angrytedtalks STILL, looney tunes had a high budget and it was and is considered as high budget animation, anyways its just a cartoon done for entertainment, not something really as an artistical piece of entertainment

The fuck you mean actually putting effort into it, good on T&J for doing it, but animating piano accurately for the song is so much more time consuming and costs way more money, that painstaking effort isn’t necessary for a cartoon

Do you even understand how much more time-consuming it would be to animate something that most people would just overlook How about you try to reanimate and "put actual effort" into it

People out here defending it like it's their own craft. It's got a higher budget and has been produced a lot later aswell, which means they had access to better tools aswell. Yes, it's more time consuming and more expensive, but there's still a noticible difference in the amount of passion of the animators that is showcased by the small details. The title of the video holds true, because it IS rare for animators to actually spend the time doing so, which is a real pity because the scene becomes a lot more immersive when you can not only hear the music, but see the music being played aswell. The best rated animations are simpy those that spend the time doing exactly that: Adding the small details.

@@Minecraftgnom its not because of pasion really, obviously both units liked their job, depending which animators, but its actually for budget reason, plus the production of a tom and jerry short would usually take 1 - 2 years, while a looney tunes short would usually take 7 months - 2 years to produce around that time, plus the person that directed the short was friz freleng which at the time, his unit has one of the best budget from other directors units, apparently chuck jones had the best budget, and it is clearly obvious if you look at the mid 50's shorts comparing it to other directors short from that time

I wouldn't be surprised. Isn't it literally about classical musicians?

Yep, it looked fairly accurate even with complicated stuff like Rachmaninov and Ravel. It is interspersed with a lot of still frames though.

Your lie in April and kids on the slope too

And piano no mori To end the quatuor of music instruments playing animes where the animation is actually good

@@pomatomapo mate just watched that the other day. It is amazing! Was just about to comment this also. 🤩

"To be faaair"

On the other hand, you have the notes on the music. It's not like flute or violin where a non-musician doesn't know how it's done. Additionally, they have an entire music department with multiple pianos in the studio, and they took the time to make it look correct from a timing and relative position. Given how long it takes and how much care they took to animate this scene (since they could have easily changed the angle to hide the hands), you would think they would at least get the notes correct on such an important part of the short.

@@Benjamin1986980 Ikr. Like when Bugs sticks his finger in the barrel of Elmer's gun and it blows up in Elmer's face... so inaccurate. They should show BB hand getting mangled. I hate inaccuracies in cartoons 🙄

@@Benjamin1986980 It's a six minute cartoon made to give you a couple of laughs before the movie starts. Relax.

@@nicholasmuro1742 It's a fucking cartoon what do you expect? It's supposed to make kids laugh, not be realistic.

I thought it was the same. Had to watch it twice to hear the difference.

FOR REAL 😂

I mean we don’t see scientists complaining about how wild coyote shouldn’t be able to walk and stand on thin air until he looks down so I hear ya but I understand how it could get annoying when it’s something you focus on daily.

@@BlueSoulGamer Obviously the coyote is in another planet with different rules of gravity

Look up Metalocalypse. Their 100% correct note accurate animations will blow your mind.

IKR? And let's not even get into the way Elmer Fudd's shotgun works....

@@tjsogmc and you can't forget the road runner that can run across canyons...

@@Delsanium of course, and the ever present painted tunnels on the sides of cliffs. It always bothered me that the animators couldn't get that simple physics correct.

@@tjsogmc Man, the audacity...

@@tjsogmc idk if I spelled it the right way for that version of the world lol

I play piano. I didn't watch the whole episode, just this KZfaq video. I felt like the animators did a pretty good job when you consider the difficulty of hand drawing scenes frame by frame, and also considering the (lack of) importance of visually portraying each note on the keyboard. Face it, most people don't play the piano and those of us who do, aren't using these animations to learn the piano.

Lmao so true

Musicians are the snobbiest people in the world and they do expect perfection. That's nothing new. That's one reason why I quit piano lessons a long time ago and have more respect for genres that lean heavily on experimental stuff.

I'm pretty sure it's just him that's getting mad at this mistake,NOT THE WHOLE MUSIC COMMUNITY lol

Exactly lmao, thnk god you said it. Seriously people dont see the struggle of animating smh.

You need more attention

Right, like I don’t think a pianist is a better judge of what is or isn’t good animation than an actual animator who probably doesn’t get paid enough to care about these details anyway 😅

you gonna give it to him? and besides, he's right.

@@bobsegar1242 Animation is hard enough without focusing on accurate detail, it isn't a big deal.

Who did it first, Tom or Bugs Bunny? Because I have seen two videos in one day where those two are playing the piano, and the Tom one got an Oscar award for being accurate and creative, and if this one came after and not before, than BB was animated doing the same thing to capitalize on the fame, but if it's the reverse, Tom did it one better.

This is the most presumptuous comment I have ever seen. The uploader was simply making a comment about musical instruments not being accurately animated. This isn't a new thing and they certainly aren't *expecting* the animators to be professional musicians. I don't know where you pulled that from, but it was certainly not from this thirty-four second video.

@@abbyelectric yeah thats fair, but what annoys me is that in the description he says the show is poorly animated, "what?? they didnt bother to animate a cartoon character to press all the piano keys correctly?? poorly animated" wheres his logic?