Ok but how

same here, ive been classically trained for about 16 years... haha

Joline Petram you’re probably at least an intermediate player

@@TheNutshaq yeah, I am. I don't wanna brag, but the things shown in the video are pretty easy for me...

Kia Same lol. I’ve played for 10

turned out I'm not

Yeah same 😤😂

I'm EXACTLY the same!😂

Yeah me too, l figure I'm in between beginner and intermediate so l must beintermediateginner. Pretty sure this isn't a word but somehow l know what it means.

I am trying to figure out if I can even play the piano

The same

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This 😂😂😂

ahahahha same

Yep same. I don't understand a word she said, yet I play mozart. So, I guess my mind is an enigma.

@@steadfastonhisword1810 you Don’t know about scales but you play Mozart?

that's what i'm sayingggg 😭 😭

Felt that. I clicked this video thinking I'd know a good amount of the stuff. I was wrong. I've definitely heard of some of these things but I definitely couldn't play any of this if someone asked me to.

LMAOO literally

:)) mastering the piano it's pretty difficult, most of the instruments especially the ones you blow air into are like playing the right hand with the piano, but of course they also have their challenges...

Sameeeee😅😅😅

haha :)!

all it takes is discipline

Same here ... :-)!

I am intermebeginner :P

We may be like the proverbial "two peas in a pod." Although I enjoy playing the piano, I haven't done it/practiced consistently over the years and it SHOWS!!

That's okay! Don't despair! Everyone still has something they nee to learn on the piano. Just be patient with yourself! :)

Haha, same here!

Yup samee

Same I’ve been playing for 15 years but I still suck at music theory 😅

@@henrike16254 I think the definition of "music theory" depends entirely on what style of music you're talking about. If you're talking about classical piano, a lot of it depends on scales, straightforward rhythms and time signatures, and basic chords (triads and 7th chords), and maybe some functional harmony (finding out what the words "tonic," "dominant," and "subdominant" mean). If you're talking about jazz piano, there's a lot more in the way of extended harmonies (9th and 13th chords) and syncopated rhythm. Contemporary/pop piano is more about understanding simple "pop progressions" such as 1-5-6-4 and its cousin 6-4-1-5 (way different from practicing those progressions from classical piano lessons that tend to be 4-5 chords long and start *and* end on I), and being able to play them in different keys and with different rhythms. I'd say that your grasp of music theory isn't too terrible if you understand one of those three branches of music theory: The one associated with the style you want to specialize in playing.

AMEN!!!!

Almost 9 for me- But I always listen to amazing pieces and say to myself, "I wonder if I can play that" Hands: _funny haha laugh_

@@gabriellewashere7353 ikr

@@pletkoek7575 jokes on you, it’s nine years now and now I can play intermediate songs... so suck it

@@pletkoek7575 lol

Lemmie just pull out my 18th century speech… Oh I can’t find it… dog must have ate it again

Same, i only passed for intermediate for sight reading, music theory and dynamics and emotion. So im still a beginner A beginner that can play Fantasie impromptu and the first movement of rach 2

Lol

@@aviation8168HAHA You dont really need a lot of the first things she mentioned, if u can sight read and play good what you read you are really good to go

It's never too late to start! :)

felt

Your level must be fetus level

@@PianoteOfficial thank you I needed this advice

me

On minecraft it's about 60

Same

Do you mean *C level*

Been playing for five long years, I find myself learning Kinderszenen 😭😭😭

Ive been playing piano for like 3 years and some stuff i havent learnedlike the 7th cords never plated them ever

How about now

Playing almost 10 years and I'm still a beginner

keep it up! pushing yourself above your limit helps you learn faster! so you might be an intermediate cause youre learning new stuff that are above your level, so yeah. happy practicing!!

It do be like that

@@luisaoliveira2158 literally 😅

I feel like this is the reason why we all think we're intermediate

that's a great way to progress much faster!

God level maybe?

@@huyvuquang9533 Intermediate slacker :)

Same here!!

Felt this!

I'm a self taught to

MagnumOpium Me.

Almost me.

Ok...

Practice some theory. It's not that hard and it would really help you to understand more

@@zaakuuroo Bien vu bg

This is focused on music theory. I think it's "good to know" especially to compose music. However, leaning to play songs probably doesn't require all the theory.

im not self taught, tho im still a beginner

@Senshine will we ever not feel like a beginner?

@Senshine do we define ourselves by how we do scales and know music theory? Personally, I consider how advanced of a song we can play to determine what level we are at. Beginner songs tend to have single notes for both left and right hands. Intermediate songs have chords in at least one hand. Of course rhythm and speed vary in difficulty. We are what we play! Just my opinion.

Me too i just ply whatever song i liked and after watching this video i relised that there's so much i don't know, like i only know a-b majors

Well done bro, congrats on your journey, continue strong!

Congratulations 🎉

Actually technique is what identifies your level of playing rather than learning advanced repertoire

@@resym7734 agreed, plenty of amazing pianist youtubers have never taken a course and play by ear (ex : Theishter)

@@resym7734 Not entirely true. I wouldn't call a person that could go up and sight read la campanella an intermediate player because he never bothered looking at scales. He's extremely good, just not at making the music himself. Actually interestingly enough my piano teacher barely bothered teaching me any of this. She just helped me practice pieces. You may call her bad, but fact of the matter is that that's what she (an experienced player) thought was acceptable.

@@lucaslucas191202 My teacher was the same, I took piano lessons for about 7 years and she told me I'd be ahead of the game in college for knowing what the circle of fifths was. Turns out that was not true. I definitely understand the need to learn all of this but it's a bit disheartening to know that I could play any of these or differentiate them by ear, but I'm not considered more than a beginner because I can't name them.

that's so true, there are people that can play really hard pieces but don't know that much about theory

Don't despair! You will get better with time and practice. You got this! :)

Ugh, me too. Not even close to intermediate. 😭 I really appreciate these videos! They help me keep trying. 😁

Bro this is mostly theory u could have the skill but not the theory

I can do fast scales/arpeggios, consecutive octaves, far leaps, and thinks I'm already intermediate. But after watching those classical professional concert pianists, they blow me back to beginner level. It's actually depends per person how high they raised the bar.

it's not depressing objective observation of reality, and brutal acceptance, are the path to progress you must know where you are, and what is needed to move forward this video has shown you the way (if only by providing you the topics to research and practice)

Don't stress! Leaning takes time! If there is anything you need help with don't be scared to ask, I'd love to help! :)

Lol

I can relate!!

Yep

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Don't worry my mum thought it was chop in lol

I say Chop-in... Is it wrong by any chance?

And also pronounce Ravel and not say raffle.

@UpriseNova oh okay thanks lol

I pronounce it Sho-pan

Yeah… Idk this video is more music theory not actual playing level/skill in my opinion

Ikr this video is just about musical theory not skills both you and i wasted our time hoping to hear that we are intermediate.

You can honestly play any song if you have persistence, determination, and a metronome. A beginner can easily learn and play Moonlight Sonata 3rd movement with these three things. What separates a beginner from intermediate is the knowledge and understanding of what they can play (music theory)

classical pieces*

Ikr. I have zero knowledge in music theory but I can play songs that are classified as "intermediate level". I don't know where that puts me.

Very much aggreed.

I was going to say something similar. I have a lot of the sight reading, theory, and chord recognition ability from extensive voice experience, but that doesn't mean I can play the piano. I'd say I'm beginning piano.

As someone now looking into grad school to continue a degree in piano performance and pedagogy, and as someone who performs and teaches professionally, I one hundred percent disagree. I don't think you get it ...

@@cloudambient I do feel we have differences in perspective. Don't get me wrong, these techniques are definitely essential in let's say acquiring a degree or teaching music in general. I just fail to distinguish how the "techniques" in the video are specifically for the piano and not for let's say the violin. Going back to piano techniques, you can't go to a piano competition and display your skills with this. These are still the fundamentals in order to understand the works of romantic, and especially those of modern. I compete nationally and in Asia as a classical pianist. I have a degree in biotech, but my father's a concert master and my grandfather was a composer who has presented his compositions in Carnegie. I hope you get into grad school and pursue your dreams. Especially with the Corona virus situation, artists like us are needed by society :)

@@jaschadadap4111 I am a music educator looking to improve my piano skills and the first thing I thought about is how this video is applicable to any instrument. The name of the video could be something more like you stated above but because this is a channel for piano I think that's why the focus is on piano levels.

When she said "arpeggio" my brain got the same feeling as when you get an unexpected item in bagging area - I thought arpeggio was a group of islands but that's the wrong word...

@A7xandria - Arpeggios are very important to playing the piano. You don't have to play them fast or anything. But knowing arpeggios, you can make beautiful songs using them. Especially using arpeggios with your left hand to create beautiful rhythms. Just go slow with them. You will love them once you start using them. Just my opinion. :)

Arpeggios are actually really fun; to make learning them easier just throw in the left hand and add some filler inbetween. The best advice I can give is don't think just feel. Learn where to place your fingers and the movements need to get to the next key and than just repeat ad nauseam. The key to playing fast isn't thinking, it's getting the motion to the point of instinctual so you can start really spicing it up. I just learned three different arpeggios recently( my first time actually playing arpeggios actually lol) it took about three days to fully master them but I made up my own music while I was doing it and threw in little challenges like combining different Arpeggios together while moving up and down the octaves.

Michael Jackson is hiding in your closet

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Thanks for sharing your story sir. what was the name of the school that you attended? Also how are you doing now?

@@markwashington7518 It was Marylhurst University. They closed their doors here withing the last few years; a Catholic school staffed by many extremely well-versed, classically trained nuns. I find myself steadily growing in muscle memory and beginning to venture into the flat keys. I think better and am more facile in the guitar keys (I played guitar for nearly 60 years.) It's so encouraging to feel the unthinking ease that playing is becoming. Even at 73, all that groundwork in theory and composition, and the daily woodshedding on the piano has me excited about moving on. I am working on a new album in my bedroom studio with the piano, not my guitar, as the centerpiece.

Thank You for addressing this all important question we all have! This video really helped me assess where I fall in this category based solely off of your suggestions. I'm pleasantly surprised to learn I'm closer to an Early Intermediate player as opposed to the Beginner that I've consistently referred to myself as. Your video also gives me some encouragement as to what areas I should've putting more focus on for well rounded development. Thank You!!!

I'm somewhere in between an intermediate and an intermediate beginner in terms of theory and scales. My teacher told me that I play at a grade 4 however Trills are still my bane of playing piano. Do you have any tips for improving the technique?

Your missing the fact that every intermediate player should at least be capable of playing flight of the bumblebee at 300BPM, 16 notes per second, and sacrilegiously.

I think you covered every well

I played violin for nine years. The Last year i was transferred due to too many students to a different teacher, she would scream at me when i did not learn something as well as she wanted And would tell me that if i'l do this then i should leave. She disgusted my passion for music And three weeks of not showing up to her lessons i came in, gave her a chocolate box And told her im leaving. She was suprised, IMPORTANT : i hated playing violin for the First two/three years. But in my seventh/eighth i finally got into it, started composing my own stuff And Just playing for myself. So yeah, this woman Just destroyed nine yrs of violin lessons, now i dont know how to play a single song on the violin. But then my passion for music Just left outta the Window. For one year i have not touched a single instrument. Year passed And i got a Cajon from my parents as a christmas gift, i still play it, it Filled me with Joy for some time. But then it kinda drifted away, you cant play sad music that i like, you can play along to it but not really. So when i started playing D&D, me as a DM, my crush And Four friends of ours (go Google D&D, its fricking awesome). So when we were talking my crush sat beside my grandmas 107+ yr old piano And started playing fairytale from shrek i was mesmerized. It was our most beloved song. When they left the other Day i šat behind the piano And typed: *piano easy lesson I started playing along And most of my friends learned piano And did so the classical way. I started asking them for advice And they told me not to follow these videos. I didnt have time Back then to go to music school AgAIn. So I told them thank you but no. Needless to say i stuck with the approach i had, i practised for 1 Hour every Day for the past 7 months. I think i turned from piano noob to advanced beginner. It still fulfills me to play even though i am not as good as my friends or even her. But after summer break i Will start talking piano lessons. My crush ( now my bff) really supported me throughout the year, with stuff such as my granny having two brain deaths in a row And me being the only one at home at that time. So yeah, i really apreciate her being There for me TlDR: sour And mean lady disgusted my taste for violin and music (after nine years) for over two years. But after my bff played me some piece from Shrek i got into piano And i loved it for the past 7 or so months. Next year i am talking piano lessons

Amen Mr. Jones!!!!

Kathy D. Thanks

@@mrjones1862 LOL! You are not the only one. I am a "beginner" too, after many years of playing. But I'm going to pick up my ego, and keep it moving! I will remind myself of Stevie Wonder's song and you should too: "Don't You Worry About A Thing!" Like she said, let her video allow you to focus on your shortcomings. Doing so, you and me will be fine! If you LOVE piano, like I'm sure you do, just keep enjoying the process and you will reach your goals!

Keep it going!

@@iamtjahan I am literally at a piano competition just watching on my phone between performances lol

Going to do buy my first piano today, though all these weird formulas that it looks like I’ll have to learn are a bit discouraging 😅. I’ll still force myself to learn though

@@salutarysix6869 it’s fun, don’t think of it as work think of it as learning something fun and you’ll get pretty far

@@prizm8530 Hope it went well!!

old man I agree

To be a piano player you should have knowledge in music theory

To be anything other than a beginner in any instruments you should have knowledge in theory

Misplay Madeline I think it’s important to have a basic knowledge but not to the extent of learning about all different diminished 7ths and stuff like that

pointlessproductions I think that having an advanced repertoire doesn’t make an advanced pianist. A beginner pianist can learn to play a difficult piece. The pianist who is no longer a beginner can understand the piece, that’s the difference

Michael Jackson is hiding in your closet

You are only hurting yourself

But that is how intermediate players become intermediate, they just tackle the hard pieces with the intent of developing technique. They don’t press the keys blindly. Example: Chopin Etudes

@@LoomiYT Silly comment. They are hurting no one.

@@ShenauticTV There are many ways to make music- not all of them are based on theory. You forget that people have been making music long before anyone knew what chord progression was.

Love this! :)

I can only play something by ear :/

Needed Privacy That means you're gifted. Some people are lost without sheet music. They have to take one hand off the piano to turn the page when they're playing for somebody. Funny thing is it's usually trained people who are envious of gifted people. I have an uncle who was invited to play for the queen he is self trained.

Well…..if we all compare ourselves to Mozart or Bach….then we are all complete beginners.

BritishIdiots gotta flex on those haters

My same thought but I've been playing piano for almost 13 years

You want to feel good about yourself, I guess

Even the likes of you may still have more to learn

Yup, 20 years here. Looking for some validation.

Yes, the category that I really lack in is composition. I don't spend my time dancing on the piano trying to stumble across a unique order of notes. Instead I practice the things that I know play a part in my lessons and overall theory basis. The instructors don't particularly spend time on going over that either. I think that category was for people experimenting beyond their studies.

If you've played for ten years you'd be able to learn that in a heartbeat. That's what I don't really like about this video. It's all knowledge that a player with a large repertoire would be able to learn pretty fast.

IExist the problem is that my teacher took out big scale books, we’d go through them until I just could kind of play them, then we’d move on. like i can play most of them, just sometimes my fingers just don’t work. some aspects of the video are frustrating for sure

It’s just practice bro practice one hour a day for like a week and you’ll see a big difference

@@trdavid2127 Focused practice too. I can learn two bars in four months if I just "practice" by performing, or I can learn four pages in two weeks if I am committed. I've been playing for 10 years, but it's a habit I need to get out of, and actually one that got worse after I finished Grade 8.

Well, you can just start practicing in a slow rhythm and slightly increase the speed.

You haven't played for over a decade you write like your 11

@@dontreadmychanneldescripti7104 Geez, they are starting so young!

@@dontreadmychanneldescripti7104 you also write like an 11 year old lol

@@wverdult What aspect of my astronomically short piece of literature screams "11"?

@@dontreadmychanneldescripti7104 read your initial sentence again lol

Michael Jackson is hiding in your closet

Don't worry, give yourself the time to learn and good things will come! :)

Same. At least now we have a list of what to work on to get to the next level.

Don’t feel bad I got ten thumbs

Me too

An hour*

Same thing ! My only teacher is Simply Piano. At least I made progress...

@@gfamad your first mistake

No intermediate is la Campanella

No

LOVE movement 3! But haven’t played it in years, would need about 6 months to “brush up” on it! 😂

Maybe if you're Lizst

Scarbo.

Second this

That's alright! Everybody has a different learning journey! :)

Made my day

IKR ROFL

Precisely

If you count that in, I will never be anything more than a beginner - no matter the instrument. I do need my sheet music and then I am quite okay, but without it I am lost. And I tried training my ear for like 20 years (on flute).

That is some freestyle-jazz Music school-pro stuff m8

I wouldn't bring up the naming of intervals by ear--my ear-training professor says that when he used to teach that (yes, he *quit teaching that*), he knew it was the part of each ear-training exam where he could count on his otherwise-best students to get some wrong, and his otherwise-worst students to get a few right. He figured it wasn't a real indicator of one's aural skills, so he switched over to training us entirely by solfege scale-degree recognition. As for hearing and playing chord progressions by ear, that's a really useful skill in pop or jazz piano, but I'd say that you can call yourself an intermediate pianist without it. It's just that you should be ready to start learning that skill almost as soon as you are an intermediate-level pianist.

Love the conversation! Listening can be a big part of learning music! Becoming familiar with certain sounds and patterns can help a lot with your practice and your performances for others! You should try and familiarize yourself with the patterns and sounds that you hear with everything you play on piano, but if reading the music is your thing then that is a great way to do it too! Everyone is different and at different skill levels, so figuring out what works best for you is an exciting part of learning about music. :)

Piano has so much to dive into! We are working on some more advanced concepts right now and we can't wait to share it with everyone!

I agree! If more pianists were "Intermediate" we'd have accompanists lined up at the doors to fill positions, which we don't...

Yeah. I'm wondering if Pianote did a list of what you need to know to be an Advanced Player, if I'd even understand what they she was saying.

An elementary level pianist can play a basic version of Ode to Joy with block chords in the left hand. An intermediate player with some practice can play M. Clementi's Sonatina in C. very well. An advanced piano player with some practice can play Debussy's Deux Arabesques, Clair de Lune, Golliwog's Cake Walk, etc. rather well. Semi-Pro pianists can play the tough stuff, much of it at least, without some of the polish and precision of the pro's. Some pieces are still a bit beyond the semi-pro. A pro (or VERY elite student) with a considerable amount of practice can play a Rachmaninov piano concerto, Chopin, Liszt, etc., well enough to perform publically, with a symphony, etc. A virtuoso can handle most anything written for the piano...

@@PianoteOfficial Can you please link to this video if it's up? :)

If you can play Animenz's Unravel arrangement you have achieved Animenz

Boogie Woogie is always a blast! :)

Steven Justice as a boogie woogie player, im probably considered advanced in some areas but beginner in others lol, theres not a lot of sheet music for boogie so a lot of it is learning by ear or watching others.

Looking forward to hearing from you then! Can't wait!

hows it going so far?

Peace Ninja good - can sight read but not quickly. A few scales down. I got an adult piano lessons for beginners and about 1/3 way through.

Art Beyond The Wall - Noice. 20+ years of playing piano and I can't read to save my life. Got everything else she mentioned down tho. You're gonna have an advantage over me if you keep at it, good luck :)

How is it now

Im terrible at sight reading but like once i figure it out and play a couple times and can almost immediately memorize so sight reading isnt that big of a deal.

Love it! Good luck!

Wow! That’d be awesome to accomplish in one year! Way to go man

Army same 😐

yea me too

Advance players are those who: Can play hard pieces like Flight of the bumblebee Can play songs they only hear once on the spot Good at controlling dynamics and rubato Can improvise on the spot Practice 40 hours a day

@@craiver00 Also you have to be able to turn the black keys into white keys

AsianOrganismHunter if you can play it slowly............

Me 😊

Beef

Michael Jackson is hiding in your closet

Yes she put way to much emphasis on scales and chord inversions! Yuck.

atalla same here 😂

Same basement bro

Check your closet

Michael Jackson is hiding in your closet

I AGREE WITH YOU ! She helps a lot !

Michael Jackson is hiding in your closet

At least ur not a beginner xD

Better than people who still make mistakes in Twinkle Twinkle Little Star after a decade of piano

Manju Roy bad example. It’s actually pretty hard...

@@m.sterling9527 If you'rwbtalking about the Mozart Variations then it is a challenge ( I'm presently learning it with sheet music, and believe me, don't chose it to be your first sheet music piece. )

Heck I'm almost a beginner/intermediate player after 40 years stuck not getting past passing grade 4

Thank you so much! Very happy to hear that you have improved! :)

Me too. I've been using a book called "Learn to play piano in six weeks or less" by Dan Delaney & Bill Chotkowski you may be interested in. It's very informative and well structured. It has a lot of practice pieces in it too. KZfaq is very helpful but I found myself lost trying to figure out what to work on next. This book gave order to my self teaching.