Comparing Some of The Best Standard Shape Paddles

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Comparing Some of The Best Standard Shape Paddles

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Pickleball Studio

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@NOT_A_TOP_FAN 2 ай бұрын

Next week on The Will and Aizec Pickleball Show, they will be featuring an up and coming paddle reviewer named, Chris Olsen.

@PickleballStudio 2 ай бұрын

I am dying. 😂😂😂

@Dilnfn 2 ай бұрын

@@PickleballStudioI would love to see more on the fatboy b&b

@PickleballWill 2 ай бұрын

Great Job Aizec, you did a good job subbing as the Host of the podcast

@af02271 2 ай бұрын

I love how much more blunt Aizec is lol. Chris is usually very careful when talking about a paddle he doesn't like, while Aizec is just straight up like "I hated this thing" 🤣

@KTCHNPickleball 2 ай бұрын

$300!? Who are these guys!? JK. Thank you so much for the chat about our bag. And we’ll keep making it better as we get more feedback like this. Keep up the great work you guys. Always amazing content. 🔥

@cvandi4094 2 ай бұрын

Aizec needs to be back more often, enjoy him being part of the podcast!!! Always look forward to the new episodes....keep up the great work.

@sesamesprinkles 2 ай бұрын

The slow pan with the wide camera was honestly a nice touch while watching the podcasts

@NightBandit13 2 ай бұрын

While Aizec may never replace Chris or Will, he makes the perfect accompaniment to them both.

@vincentszymborski359 2 ай бұрын

Aizec is a great add to the podcast! Well done Chris!

@teenasuzuki2514 2 ай бұрын

Consult the other Paddle Avengers, especially John Kew, on your court colors since he’s color blind and you need all of them to assemble in Minnesota.

@TooColdHands 2 ай бұрын

Aizec is a great paddle reviewer. Brutally honest and definitely knows all the details of each paddle.

@TooColdHands 2 ай бұрын

Mostly just as a 2nd opinion to contrast to Chris's opinion

@BobSan106 2 ай бұрын

I like how Aizec sits in the high back “host” chair, while Chris has the low back “guest chair”. A changing of the guard?

@mkppj100 Ай бұрын

Hey! Great podcast! As someone coming from the 14mm Mach 2 Forza, I'm curious about your opinions on the pros and cons of the 16mm M.2.F. vs the Fat Boy. Thanks!

@metal_bloo 2 ай бұрын

Can't believe these guys did an episode without the host

@scottlennan225 2 ай бұрын

Court colors must be dark. Since the ball is yellow/neon green. Contrast will be easier to see.

@groot3371 2 ай бұрын

I enjoyed the podcast with Aizec. Ed Ju has put out several videos on how to put on the Hesacore grip. Ed’s latest video shows an easy way that he puts on his Hesacore grip. I made it to the kitchen and enjoyed the memes. Thank you Chris and Aizec.

@bunsen27 2 ай бұрын

I always enjoy when the BLO makes an appearance and offers his opinions on paddles. I see it as a benefit overall since Aizec has a different stature and playstyle than Chris, thus differing opinions from a different perspectives. Great discussion on all the standard shaped paddles and I agree that many players would benefit from using one! I recently went from a hybrid shape back to a standard debating between the Volair Forza M216 and PIKKL HP16; I ultimately went with the HP16. It's been my Goldilocks paddle after playing a 6.0 DBD16 for the past 9 months. The HP16 just helps me play better in all the areas of my game that I needed. If you have the time I'd love to see a Volair FM2 & PIKKLE HP review, or a maybe a standard/wide body comparison video once the Fat Boy, Quartz, and 11Six24 Monarch are all released?

@LouisBrown19 2 ай бұрын

Welcome back Aizec - Another host of the PB Studio.

@cindywong7589 2 ай бұрын

Love the hesacore. I have one for each paddle so no need to remove and put on. The hot water method works well. I also use baby oil. Works well, too. Helps with my tennis elbow by reducing the vibrations.

@ender133 2 ай бұрын

So...which one is mary kate and which one is ashley.....

@123BV8 2 ай бұрын

Looking forward to the standard comparison! Please include the ALW. Aizec has great insight and we know what he likes, not standards but he still knows what a standard paddle should be.

@douglasmurdoch7247 2 ай бұрын

I saw those glasses and instantly said “Squirtle Squad!”

@AizecOlson 2 ай бұрын

Heck yeah!!

@JonasHoldemanLitChannel 2 ай бұрын

Chris, I imagine one of the reasons that USAP felt particularly compelled to go after JOOLA is the fact that the company was pretty much giving the USAP rulebook the double middle fingers in their advertising; after all, they were actively promoting the fact that the paddles exhibit what amounts to a “diving board effect.“ I can’t quote chapter inverse from the USAP rulebook, but there’s something in there that explicitly refers to paddles not exhibiting a trampoline - type effect.

@richhughes5784 2 ай бұрын

Whatever you do for the colors, make sure they put grit in the paint for the lines so they don't make the ball skid/skip. I don't understand why so many courts have slick lines.

@blackcayman64 2 ай бұрын

I have the light blue in the kitchen, grey court and Navy Blue surround! Looks great

@craigcable2982 2 ай бұрын

One thing to think about is how hot or cold and moisture you get where you live. Black court evaporation rate and heat is higher for cold weather play and light gray is cooler for hot day play.

@josephdragotta1485 2 ай бұрын

Joola vision bag for $60 is a steal would recommend

@PKB-AG 2 ай бұрын

thank you for adding this - great value. I bought an Adidas Excel 6 and use the laptop sleeve for a paddle holder. I think some things these days are over-engineered, but then warrant a huge price. Like when you get a dinner it's really two dinners worth of food but it's how they get away with charging more. 'Merica !!

@imK3VBOT 2 ай бұрын

The thing that drew me away from the KTCHN bag is the separate shoe cube. If you attach it to the bag it makes the bag huge. And i don't want to carry it in my hands that why I bought a backpack. I actually pre-ordered the ADV backpack v2 and that seems like the perfect bag for me now that they made it more pickleball friendly.

@PickleballStudio 2 ай бұрын

For sure! I’m not a huge fan of attaching it to the bag either. Too big

@KTCHNPickleball 2 ай бұрын

Personally we carry the cube more than we attach it.

@kimjaesung5938 2 ай бұрын

I literally created a poll on the same topic for wide body paddles a few days ago on FB. Thank you for talking about it.

@chanpickleball 2 ай бұрын

Pickleball studio color for sure! It needs to be!

@funnyism 12 күн бұрын

My everyday paddle is the Volair M2F, and purchased the 16mm hurricane pro from Pikkl after looking at all its stats. They are not the same in feel. M2F has a more crisp feel and easily be controlled, from a drive to a drop. Hurricane was more plush and has a thunk sound to it. Less control than the M2F. My 2 cents. I'm going back to the Volair as I found the ONE (for now)

@aaronmorgan8864 2 ай бұрын

Chris, loving this comparison video of wide body paddles. I got the Mach 2 Forza 4-5 months ago and LOVE it. Spartus sent me the Apollo to try and I enjoyed it as well but the edge guard started to come unglued in two weeks of play. They sent me a new one but that was a little worrisome. Did you weight your M2F up at all?

@MrSeanboon 2 ай бұрын

For the hesacore grip, I just spray my handle with a bit of PAM cooking spray before I try to slide the hesacore grip over. Super easy.

@DogBehaviorSolutions 2 ай бұрын

Soak it in hot water for a few minutes. It makes it super easy to put on.

@willgjetson2566 2 ай бұрын

Light blue reflects a lot! I have light blue kitchen courts here and it’s blinding when it’s sunny out

@hruntingson 2 ай бұрын

Interestingly, blue is the part of the spectrum that gets most of the blame for glare.

@JesseWilliams-wg1og Ай бұрын

I will say, I LOVE my hesacore! My grip was too slippery with my DBD, (obviously an overgrip would’ve helped) so I got the white grip and overgripped and will never go back. Definitely a preference thing, but I do love it. My wife has one too now.

@duanehensley8835 2 ай бұрын

Ugh!!! How could you not have the Gruvn Muvn-16S or 14-S in this line up?! I was so excited to see the subject of this new video only to be sorley disapointed that you didn't include one the the best standard shape paddles ever made. What the heck guys?!! :(

@PickleballStudio 2 ай бұрын

We can only hit so many paddles in one day. 😂 Those are really good too though.

@duanehensley8835 2 ай бұрын

@@PickleballStudio It's not like there's a ton of standard shaped / wide body paddles that should even make this list. You only talked about a handful anyways and I believe you already tested and reveiwed the Gruvn Muvn-16S and 14-S and I htought you guys really liked it. So, why didn't it make the list?

@jhleerph 2 ай бұрын

Aizec, if you are into looking at PT stuff, look up Conor Harris. Very unique approach.

@Gary-W 2 ай бұрын

Love the bag.. Have a magnetic towel that just attaches to the outside magnet.. If you're like Chris you can use the shoe pocket for additional items since you wear your shoes.. It also has a clip in a pocket to attach your keys..😊

@KTCHNPickleball 2 ай бұрын

Thank you!! 🙏

@1973superdad 2 ай бұрын

Ordered the volair mach 2 forza and used your code. Thanks. See you guys on the court soon.

@tannerterry8300 4 күн бұрын

Yes, do a review on the Forza Mach 2! Compare to the Apollo. Have you tested using any lead tape with it to get a bit more power? Thanks for all the info!

@Itskjb813 2 ай бұрын

Squirtle Squad glasses are elite

@PharmDConan 2 ай бұрын

Spartus Apollo is only $110 with a military discount. I’m currently running lead tape bottom two sides and top two corners. Think it is 8.9oz after lead, tape, and hesacore grip, and overgrip. Really pleased with it!

@RC-tm8jo 2 ай бұрын

The Apollo is my favorite paddle I've ever tried. I have 3 of them now, two of which I alternate using and will not use the third until the other two are worn out. I keep one paddle stock and have weighted up the other. For the weighted paddle, I have 2 grams around 10:00 and 2 grams around 2:00. I also have 4 grams around 4:00-5:00 and 4 grams around 7:00-8:00. I still can't figure out if I like the Apollo better weighted or stock.

@juansantiago1441 Ай бұрын

Have you guys compared the Apollo to the Volair M2F?

@brucemark 2 ай бұрын

Loving the Aizec honesty! Great job you two!

@user-cn1ol8qf8w 2 ай бұрын

About Aizec's experience with vibrations on the Apollo, since there is a gap between the rubber band and the paddle, it acts like a guitar string and it produces more vibration. The owner of Spartus said "The rubber band is a little bit stiffer than others, and if placed too high, there will be a gap between the rubber band and the face, which allows the rubber band to vibrate like a guitar string. It sounds stupid but it's for real." Try removing the rubber band to see if it makes a difference.

@terraXR 2 ай бұрын

Josh Kim from Spartus has written some very insightful comments regarding the lawsuit (I read them on Reddit). I didn't realize he has such deep experience in law. Love the standard paddle impressions!

@BlGSac 2 ай бұрын

Matt Wright gotta pro bono the USAP lawsuit. Aizec gotta become a permanent addition to the show, he's blunt, hes not scared to speak his mind about paddles.

@WhitePillMan 2 ай бұрын

The problem with the Joola 3 wasn’t the power. It was extremely difficult to determine the speed of the ball bc it would fly off even with half swings. The trampoline effect hid the actual speed and gave it a massive advantage. At pro level and beginner, the paddle seems to matter very little. Paddle tech seems to matter from 4.0-5.0

@parky6031 2 ай бұрын

Damn man Aizecs got some biceps, atleast 4.5 at best 😂

@LuckyBouncePickleball 2 ай бұрын

There are some courts in Crystal Minnesota that have light blue kitchens and around noon. The sun really reflects off of that light blue maybe a darker blue for the kitchen.:-)

@terogan 2 ай бұрын

Going to give Jack Sock a run for his money in the back end? 😂 Yay, BLO made the video! Golf club grip solution also helps the hesicore slide right on.

@iugradmark 2 ай бұрын

Nice pod today. Some really good info. I love the long reviews but we also want to know how similar paddles play in relationship to each other. I will say that I think the lines will continue to blur moving forward. Standard paddles will move in new and more powerful directions is my bet.

@RSCPB 2 ай бұрын

As much as I like Will as the host and Chris as the cohost, Aizec seems to mesh better with Chris that supports the phrase “Chris is the host and Aizec is the cohost” better 😂😂

@kimleith1378 2 ай бұрын

I always play my GBPwrE against any Joola G3s. Newcomer to the paddle game, THOMPSON has some new tech that takes on several of the shortcomings most paddles have. Sweet spot size, vibration damening and looks.

@wfbellis892 2 ай бұрын

Hey! Been watching the show for a month or so now. I've started buying a few paddles to figure out what I like and also to teach family & friends. My goal is to have a variety of paddles for others to try out. Here's what I have: Selkirk Luxx - Invikta Selkirk Power Air - Epic Paddletek Bantam TKO-CX 13.7 Vatic Pro Prism Flash 14mm I'm looking to add a couple paddles to the collection in the future. I'm going to skip Joola paddles for now as that's what most of my friends have. What recommendations do you have? Thanks

@user-jx1vp5ei4u 2 ай бұрын

Chris, time to review the new upcoming Six Zero Black Diamond 14 mm and the RUBY 14 mm. If people liked the RUBY 16 mm the 14 mm will blow you away. More power, lower swing rate, better twist and super well balanced.

@ruhrohraggy1313 2 ай бұрын

Be careful making the kitchen too light. Our local indoor place has light blue kitchens and the first two weeks of play there were pretty rough because I kept losing track of the ball during dink rallies. They've gotten dirty since then, so it's a lot easier to see now

@NightBandit13 2 ай бұрын

Chris, while there's nothing wrong with Patrick (he has a very nice game), if you want to start winning hardware at 5.0, you need to follow Will's lead and start playing with Aizec (he's a stud).

@PickleballStudio 2 ай бұрын

haha Aizec could have waaaay better partners than me tbh. I need to improve more before that partnership makes sense.

@NightBandit13 2 ай бұрын

@@PickleballStudio That may be, but nothing's better than playing with family (I just played a couple of tournaments with my daughter, and they were the best tournaments of my life (even though we didn't even medal)). You don't have to play all tournaments together, but once in a while would definitely be fun (both for you two and for us to watch).

@joestrei 2 ай бұрын

Loving all the recent discussions about standard shape paddles. Is there a release date set for the Fat Boy? And do either of you know how the pop/power compares to the OG thermos (DBD)?

@HeavyAndLow Ай бұрын

J3K Pro FTW!

@npisaacs Ай бұрын

I have a Vatic Pro Prism Flash and am looking to get my first thermoformed paddle. Would you recommend upgrading to an Apollo, Mach 2, or J3K or would it not be a noticeable improvement in play?

@JagEdge 2 ай бұрын

Auto mechanic here. For my hesacores I use silicone spray and it slides on easily in seconds.

@RC-tm8jo 2 ай бұрын

I have both the Apollo and M2F 16mm, and for me, the Apollo I like more because of the extra pop (which is very controllable for me). I actually think the spin is slightly better on the M2F, and I think the M2F is slightly better on touch shots like dinks and resets. The Apollo has more power and serves and drives are better.

@juansantiago1441 Ай бұрын

I have the Apollo and I like it, but this video made me regret not getting the M2F 16 in June when it was on sale for $129. Hopefully I’m not missing much from the M2F compared to the Apollo performance wise.

@roycastillo1602 2 ай бұрын

I use googone to remove the sticky glue from the original grip. The googone makes the hesacore slides in easy peasy.😊

@JovanniG678 2 ай бұрын

So for too much vibration in the handle, do you guys use a different replacement grip or something like a comfort over grip to avoid the vibration. Or is just “O that vibrates” and then you just put it down?

@hruntingson 2 ай бұрын

Yes! I was just wondering about the wave of new standard paddles.

@PickleballChris 2 ай бұрын

Your court: Make it fun! Vibrant. Don't be upset with the brightness Over time it fades out.. And be sure to have your contractor focus on building a solid foundation for the court. Worst thing is to start having cracks after 3 years. (Make it part of your warranty! And save the paper work!!!) Keep up posted! #PickleballChris #TylerWrenProPickleball #OptaHealthAndWellness #RawPickleballBuzz

@douglasmurdoch7247 2 ай бұрын

Here’s the easy answer on what to do with your court. Do the actual court in more traditional colors. But do the area surrounding the court, the out of bounds, in the PBStudio colors. Best of both worlds, you get to have your color scheme represented, and get a traditional court.

@AustinLNale 2 ай бұрын

Why are there not stiffness ratings on pickleball paddles? Coming from tennis, there’s a stiffness/“RA” rating for every single racquet. I’ve never once had wrist pain in 8 years of tennis until last week. Been playing pickleball for 3 months. This needs to become standard in pickleball ASAP.

@AllHijinksNoHighDinks 2 ай бұрын

soaking the hesacore in warm water for a like 15 seconds does the trick too.

@ender133 2 ай бұрын

Who truly hosts the podcast when there are only 2 co hosts available.....

@shalpher844 2 ай бұрын

Personal performance (e.g., do you take lessons, drill, practice, etc.) should not be overrun by a paddle that has been engineered to allow a beginner to beat a 4.5 because it has too much ball velocity, power, etc. It’s akin to aluminum bats for high school and college baseball.

@gianalvarez8724 2 ай бұрын

Hey Guys! Thanks for the podcast! Really informative and entertaining! I have a question, how can I find those wall mounts for the paddles? I’m needing some!

@PickleballStudio 2 ай бұрын

Just garage hooks from Amazon.

@FarmerLankyPickleball 2 ай бұрын

Aizec's top standards are similar to mine but I wear my court shoes everywhere like Chris 😂

@juansoria4086 2 ай бұрын

Great job guys! Have you considered reviewing the carbon pickle paddles? I have the Pro and I like it way better than the Luxx.

@pickleballnic 2 ай бұрын

Darker court colors (not any reds) are the way to go to get good ball visibility.

@danr9659 2 ай бұрын

Light blue kitchen makes the ball hard to see. At least that's the case at an indoor place near me. Outdoors it might not be as big of a deal.

@mkodwavi001 2 ай бұрын

Hurrache Control + or Volair Mach 2 Forza - which one would you choose?

@mkodwavi001 2 ай бұрын

@godgunsandgoldens Ай бұрын

Control+ will give you more offense although it still has good control. The Mach 2 Forza is pure control. Low power and also low pop makes the short game much easier to master.

@wpo1956 2 ай бұрын

love the glasses

@dannyboy9813 2 ай бұрын

USAP has hired a major high profile lawyer

@pauljohnmarcelino2121 2 ай бұрын

Will finally in SoCal. Maybe finally he can get a hand of the Maverix Havik 15 down there

@ccogswell5746 2 ай бұрын

How many replicates from a company of model "X" paddle, are sent to USAP for approval ? Then specs are sent to China, for example, and mass produced ....Is there ever any sampling of the mass produced paddles to help ensure they conform to the specs that were approved by USAP?

@seanhalili4464 2 ай бұрын

They are so similar it’s like watching Chris talk to himself 😂

@robedwards6926 2 ай бұрын

Really, they seem so different personality wise and even look/style wise to me.

@PollySmith_469 2 ай бұрын

Hudef enters the channel.

@thehiddenfamily 2 ай бұрын

Hesacore grips are pretty heavy so they create a headlight balance for your paddle. I think content creators and PB nerds are disregarding paddle balance right now. I know its a metric they account for but I would be curious to see what balance most pros like. In tennis the balance of a racquet matters so much. I find that I like to have my paddle with a heavy static weight and a really headlight balance.

@PickleballStudio 2 ай бұрын

I've noticed one big observation that's very different between Pickleball and PB. In Tennis, if you have a headlight racquet, it's always heavier. For example, 11-12oz ish. If it's a head heavy racquet, it's usually 9-10oz ish. This makes sense, because if it's head heavy, you want to reduce the overall weight, and if it's headlight, you need more overall static weight for the plow through. In PB, we don't have that luxury. Because of how most paddles are made, everything weighs in a similar range. So you aren't going to see a 9oz head light PB paddle and a head heavy 7oz paddle. That's not to say balance isn't important, but when I was doing research it was one big difference that I found. Swinging a 9oz racquet head heavy vs 12oz head light would probably be a huge difference. Whereas in PB, having a 8.2oz paddle vs 8.1oz and the difference in balance is 23.01CM vs 23.65CM, it's hard to know how big of a difference that really is. Still lots to learn about it and for the paddle market as a whole to mature and do more research.

@thehiddenfamily 2 ай бұрын

@@PickleballStudio I agree I don’t think it’s as significant as it is in tennis. But I will say that when I heard how much Johnkew was liking the slyce buttcap it made sense. Will a paddle with an already high Swingweight play better if you could add a significant amount of weight suddenly to the buttcap? Theoretically that should give you the plow through along with better hand speed than a stock version. I don’t think static weight matters as much until you get to significantly higher numbers with this. So many questions 😂

@Gary-W 2 ай бұрын

You have a hesacore on the Volair. So I assume you play with one. Just put one on each paddle you use..😊

@dspiwak13 2 ай бұрын

What Volair Mach 2 Forza did you use? 14mm or 16mm?

@taurusgump 2 ай бұрын

Chris likes the 16

@JacobAmato 18 күн бұрын

Your brother should use the proton. It’s heavy and spiny

@el10tufo 2 ай бұрын

So if we rank the host and cohosts of the pod, it would be 1- Will, 2- Aizec, the studio in third, which leaves Chris as , you guessed it, 3.5 at best

@3.99atBest 2 ай бұрын

Do the PIKKL!

@Whim396 2 ай бұрын

In my experience the 16mm mach 2 is great. but the ruby feels similar just better in every way. The dwell and feel of the ruby is better, and the control feel when adjusting for variable ball speeds is far superior... I wanted to like the mach 2 more than the ruby, but frankly just couldnt.

@edwardmiller9062 2 ай бұрын

Always the co-host never the host. Generally surprised that Chris hasn't hosted his own podcast

@notw16 2 ай бұрын

Which face material retains its spin the longest?

@mnonisa 2 ай бұрын

BLO=Better Looking Olsen!

@KeriFrankenstein 2 ай бұрын

How does the VM2 16mm compare to the Engage Pursuit Pro EX 6.0?

@DanielSkrade 2 ай бұрын

I currently play with the R3 pulsar and would love a review of the fx version!

@cheevang9806 2 ай бұрын

Would’ve been so funny if you replaced cartoon Will with cartoon Aizec at the end 😂

@PickleballHangout 2 ай бұрын

A couple of more serious comments... 1. Once I saw the spelling of Aizec's name, I was more self conscious to write it correctly so I would look it up. 2. Aizec looks like his name - I didn't make the comment, but with the hair he could potentially put out a Native American vibe, so I could see someone thinking "Aztec" 🤷

@EddieDBama 2 ай бұрын

I think the gray would be too bright. At least for the three weeks Minnesota gets sun. I'd stick with green and blue

@Eric-Denton Ай бұрын

Just to be clear... Volair 16mm? 😅

@ryankeirns345 2 ай бұрын

Light blue does NOT contrast well with a yellow ball. Purple does contrast. Check out Belknap Park in Grand Rapids home of BCO.

@dressed4killz147 2 ай бұрын

I totally feel ur guys pain. I'm a wedding photographer and very particular about my bags. Spent 300ish on my Wandrd Bag and 500+ on my rolling bag. I will definitely check out the kitchen bag.