Such great use of Medieval 2 to illustrate pike and shot warfare. This is a really well done video.
@gioojisba27586 жыл бұрын
John Konrad that’s med 1
@daswordofgork98233 жыл бұрын
Then it gets demolished by a dark age period army with peasants with spears and shields, and mailed armored knights on foot.
@williamduboisbolduc47368 жыл бұрын
These formations could actually be reaally helpful in empire tw and napoleon tw, I tried and i really is thanks a lot
@geoffreyM2TW8 жыл бұрын
I have not tried the pike & shot formations in Empire, so it is interesting to hear they work well there, too. I have tried out the double and triple acies styles of Roman manipular formations in Rome II and they work brilliantly, so I guess there is some degree of historical battle simulation in the total war games.
@williamduboisbolduc47368 жыл бұрын
I recommand you to use them while defending a fort or a town, especially to defend a breach in your walls
@nicholasp70957 жыл бұрын
There's a mod for Warhammer Total War that adds the Border Princes, Tilea and Estalia as playable factions with entire unit rosters added. They get pikes and actually suggest using pike and shot strategy. I'm checking this out for that!
@Marth6675 жыл бұрын
Looking up pike and shot so I can use it in TW for the empire. I wish there was a use for the steam tank
@maidat40265 жыл бұрын
I even use it for shogun 2 :))
@gorankatic40000bc9 жыл бұрын
I use Dutch formation, but with my own modifications that are adopted from Swedes. In center I have 5 pike units and 4 musket arranged in this fashion: pike-shot-pike-shot-pike-shot-pike-shot-pike, where shot units are few paces moved to the back, so that the enemy who came very close is entangled in fight with pikes while my shot units pour constantly at him, even from point blank. All units are in square-like deep formations. In that way I assure they will not run right away and have enough reserves in back ranks to fill the gaps. And also they can endure prolonged fight in that formation. This formation is good against combined attacks of enemy cavalry and pikemen. This is Swedish influence: At each flank I have musket unit but now not in square but 2 ranked line, behind it in close support of pistols are 2 units of ''lobsters'' - armored cavalry armed with pistols. So each flank musket unit is supported with 2 units of cavalry who shoots pistols over their heads. In that way I have very good fire superiority on flanks against enemy cavalry or infantry. Sometimes I use 2 units of Hessian organ artillery and put it in center between two pike units instead of 1 musket unit. They are devastating - killing more than 600 men. The rest of 2 to 4 units are in reserve. Usually zweihander units or very high quality pike units.
@lastswordfighter8 жыл бұрын
+Sam Packinpah was a classical composer Hey can you get the archer units to fire overhead of friendly units in this game? I wanted to have a pike and shot unit on steroids. Namely muskets in front, pikemen supporting them, and behind the musket units archer units.
@gorankatic40000bc8 жыл бұрын
+lastswordfighter none archers can shoot overhead in Medieval 2 and its mods, but also you risk some losses because they can hit the back of your friendlies so I recommend placing them on higher ground behind your front line and also redirecting their fire to enemy musket troops who stay further back of enemy main line of pikemen who are closing in on you. Archers are pretty good in this game - having 2 hit points. You also need cavalry to pursue the enemy. And try my formation - combination of Dutch and Swedish tactic.
@lastswordfighter8 жыл бұрын
Sam Packinpah was a classical composer Thank you.
@danielstoyanov18334 жыл бұрын
looks better then Empire Total war to be honest.
@unteroffitzierschultz42884 жыл бұрын
You can use the same formation in empire, and it looks a bit better imo!
@boxman90334 жыл бұрын
ok boomer
@unteroffitzierschultz42884 жыл бұрын
@@boxman9033 ???
@chigeh4 жыл бұрын
@mr_ anheuser triggered lol
@LookHereMars4 жыл бұрын
Coming from a fan since the very first Shogun Total War to the modern games Med 2 imo is the greatest Total War ever made its such a fantastic game and sure its dated now compared to later titles but it retains that certain magic brought over from Rome that seems to be missing in later installments. The later games for the spectacle of graphics are certainly more advanced but overall Med 2 for me will always be the best in the franchise.
@TomCouger4 жыл бұрын
There is something so hypnotic to this video that I always find myself coming back to it.
@broseidongodofthebrocean89319 жыл бұрын
Man this was awesome
@SamuraiGuy249 жыл бұрын
This is a neat video showing history in such a great game and mod! Thanks, I'm subbing
@geoffreyM2TW9 жыл бұрын
SamuraiGuy24 Thank you for the appreciation of our mod!
@RobertWF424 жыл бұрын
Gustavus Adolphus trained the first three ranks of his musketeers to fire simultaneously in one devastating super volley prior to close combat.
@geoffreyM2TW4 жыл бұрын
Musketeers in the Swedish formation formed 6 ranks. If about to be charged, they would combine into three ranks and fire a volley all at once.
@Brusselier-lk2io4 ай бұрын
This video is as ancient as the renaissance itself
@BismuthDwarf9 жыл бұрын
Very instructive, and very cool looking. I'm sure this video made many people interested in this mod. I have a remark to make : I noticed that the musketeers fired rather rapidly. Is it to simulate the fact that each rank would fire in succession ?
@geoffreyM2TW9 жыл бұрын
Filibert I have made some relevant commentary in the tactical guide in the mod. The engine was not made for pike & shot battles, or perhaps the ideas were there but they were left somewhat unfinished. Firing by rotation of ranks is oddly the slowest way to fire in the game, instead of being the fastest. So to achieve higher rates of fire (as the Dutch musketeers do in this videoclip) we had to remove that attribute and designate the unit as "highly trained". Of course they load so fast it is ridiculous to watch. The pikemen also march as if they are on amphetamines. Sadly, we cannot do much about these things. The animations in M2TW were not really made with the 17th century in mind.
@BismuthDwarf8 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Another question : was it really necessary to remove swords from pikemen ? Sure, in the original Medieval 2 pikemen would often drop their pikes to draw their swords and lose their reach advantage, but you could order them to form the spear wall again and this would make them retrieve their pike and use them again. I find pikemen OP if they never lose their pike.
@ethanfoster59142 жыл бұрын
Thank u. This is all going to be extremely helpful in the new napoleon mod pike and shot
@fentonfairway57933 жыл бұрын
The distinctive diamond shape of the Tercio looks epic, I like the look of the Dutch Romanesque manipular-like formation, too. Great video buddy, subbed :)
@geoffreyM2TW3 жыл бұрын
Yes, there are drawings or descriptions of these formations from the 17th Century but it is not always straightforward to implement them in a game because of limitations on computer memory, etc.
@geoffreyM2TW9 жыл бұрын
You can download the 1648 mod at www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?593141-Download-and-Installation-v2-0
@geoffreyM2TW8 жыл бұрын
+NEVER_AGAIN 1) Sword or halberd units were rare in the Thirty Years war. Swords were mostly used as a secondary weapon. Halberds were used in garrisons and halfpikes or partisans were used by many officers of pike units. 2) I will make a separate video on how to build pike and shot formations for the game.
@viettrungtran45006 жыл бұрын
I know this maybe late. But thank you for this video so much. There are so little video about this period and warfare that it is impossible for me to get any idea how it work.
@brigand110 ай бұрын
You gotta remake this video but in Total War Empire 2!!!
@diegomedina2359 Жыл бұрын
nice vid! really cool to try out on the game.
@VastGameMaster4 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna try to use what I've learned here for Shogun 2.
@geoffreyM2TW4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes these tactics work with Shogun 2. On the other hand, Shogun 2 battles are so fast, it is better to keep the matchlock units safe on top of impassable obstacles if possible. These are real life tactics by the way, they don't always work in the game as they worked in reality, because there is no real rotation of ranks in the game. Also historically, the Japanese did not really adopt these tactics. It appears they deployed large formations of thousands of men in which all kinds of units were mixed up in various arrangements. I have seen some drawing of these large formations (tiger formation, crane formation, etc) but am not sure if they are historically accurate. The Japanese indeed were successful at using matchlock units when they could be protected behind fences or walls. We must also remember that the matchlock arquebuses had a shorter range than muskets so that enemy units had a better chance to close in.
@alikuzyaka21524 жыл бұрын
Bows have greater range and they fire too fast, its better not to adopt pike and shot in shogun 2
@geoffreyM2TW4 жыл бұрын
@@alikuzyaka2152 - You can probably put a Yari unit next to a missile unit or just behind it, and it should work similarly. I haven't played Shogun 2 for a while, but I seem to remember that to work and the enemy cav turning away or getting stuck with the yari.
@libeloussmith76564 күн бұрын
Great Video! You picked up a subscriber!
@BIGluisluis3 жыл бұрын
Sadly in the mod and in all total war the AI cannot do pike and shots formations, but if CA make units with differente type of soldiers, and them maybe we can hope.
@unitedstates49122 жыл бұрын
meanwhile in total war warhammer musketeers have automatic rifles and get obstructed by a 1 inch tall hill. This wouldn't work anyways because of the zombies, wizards, and anything else that can brush it off but it should at least work against bretonnia or something
@evangelosvasiliades12042 жыл бұрын
Handgunners and Empire are far from being bad, but funny enough Bretonnia isn't a great faction to try a shootout with considering their longbowmen are cheaper and longer ranged. (Plus them not having armor penetration wouldn't matter against Empire Handgunners who have none.)
@kingdomofthesaintful9 жыл бұрын
At 9:51 shouldn't that company of horse be suffering friendly fire from the musketeer unit in the rear?
@geoffreyM2TW9 жыл бұрын
Kingdom of the Saints In reality the musketeers at the rear would not be firing. In the game, they fire through the gaps between the men in front of them or a combination of that and over their heads, whenever it is possible. That also depends on where the target is.
@kingdomofthesaintful9 жыл бұрын
I was wondering that in game terms. I know they wouldn't fire in real life. I just thought perhaps OP (or whatever is the term on ze youtubez) should have canceled Fire at Will. But thanks for explaining anyway :3
@benjaminburns44126 жыл бұрын
This was great
@Will-SFC065 жыл бұрын
Cool video and excellent demonstration of different pike and ball formations! I wish you had narrated it! Why not mention of the Landesknects and Maximilian's reforms to artillery?
@geoffreyM2TW5 жыл бұрын
Maybe next time ...
@sethleoric25984 жыл бұрын
I wish there was a mainly pike and shot TW
@faramund98653 жыл бұрын
Hey, where can I find contemporary sources on the Dutch pike and shot formation? As in, a manual from the time period. I do recall a Duth manual from the Napoleonic era where they had three ranks that rotated.
@MrDonut993 жыл бұрын
I wonder how often somebody in the front of the formation would accidentally be shot by someone behind them
@sosig64454 жыл бұрын
wasn't the tercio made of 1/3 pike 1/3 musketeer and 1/3 swordsman (Zweihander)? The swordsman would fight if an enemy infantry charged the formation, the pike warded off cavalry and the musketeers would fire before any meele engagement would happen.
@jvp12864 жыл бұрын
At first, but later on it changed to half pike, half arquebus and musket
@TyTye4 жыл бұрын
sword and buckler actually
@daswordofgork98233 жыл бұрын
Zweihander is German not Spanish.
@sosig64453 жыл бұрын
@@daswordofgork9823 The spanish used German merceinaries in their armies EXTENSIVELY
@marloyorkrodriguez99753 жыл бұрын
Rodeleros actually, most of the Spanish Tercio unless the Habsburg troops had rodeleros although as the 30 years war progresses the rodeleros were almost changed to musketeers, just so to add sheer overwhelming firepower.
@davidquezada506 жыл бұрын
Good formation! Need to do this :) Wonder how the Romans used in 1400 Wearing those Italian armous and such
@geoffreyM2TW6 жыл бұрын
There are references about cavalry formations that combined lancers and archers in similar ways. This probably gave the inspiration for these pike and shot formations.
@benjaminburns44126 жыл бұрын
Hey lad can I get a link to the mod and may I ask how complete is it? Does it have a campaign? Edit.nevermind I saw that you had more gameplay on your channel and I found the twcenter link I wish someone would post it on moddb I hate twcenter format
@TheManofthecross4 жыл бұрын
interesting info there though the one thing the formations all lack is artillery in massed use or enough artillery regiments deployed over the length of the field which can pound holes in the formations once artillery became battlefield pratical formations shown there are one way to get blown to peaces and vet up the gun crews real fast.
@lupahole9 жыл бұрын
have you guys thought on imigrating the mod over to NTW?
@theopiron43686 жыл бұрын
best mod i ever played!
@benjaminburns44126 жыл бұрын
Barão Fernando can you give. Me a link to the 2.0 version I found it on there official website but the all the files are corrupted
@theopiron43686 жыл бұрын
sure: twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?593141-1648-Download-and-Installation-v2-0 i recommend downloading from torrent
@theopiron43686 жыл бұрын
after downloading you install the part 1, part 2, part 3 in this order and after that install the patch, everything is in this download link
@benjaminburns44126 жыл бұрын
Barão Fernando thanks man mod works great
@helium-3795 жыл бұрын
Do you think this is how the musket line battle came into action during the nepolionic era?
@geoffreyM2TW5 жыл бұрын
After the bayonet was invented, pikemen were phased out. The musket fire was a bit of a deterrent against cavalry in itself, once musketeers became numerous enough on the battlefield. Then with the bayonet, they could also be like mini-pikemen but all of them armed with muskets. Firing by rank was introduced by the Dutch and volley fire by Gustavus Adolphus, so indeed the ingredients were all there.
@trygveblacktiger84298 жыл бұрын
I might adapt this in my own way into my Medieval2 total war britanic campaign
@HeadCannonPrime8 жыл бұрын
This also works well with heavy crossbows and anything that shoots with a shallow trajectory.
@trygveblacktiger84298 жыл бұрын
It worked with Pesant Archers
@michalsalekcz9 жыл бұрын
Battle of "White Mountain" ? I appreciate the google's effort, but the battle is properly called "The Battle of White Hill (1620)", because it was a battle near Prague on a hill, only called a "mountain" (in native - czech - language "Bílá Hora") 1620 To Czechs, it symbolizes an utter defeat and destruction of hope. Some say: "Jako na Bílé Hoře." "Just like the White Hill." :)
@michaelr35836 жыл бұрын
You can do it even better with the otomo shogun 2
@geoffreyM2TW6 жыл бұрын
I don't have their pack. They probably have good matchlock units but do they have pikes?
@Nightfire-ui9zu5 жыл бұрын
No the Oda are perfect for this with their long spear.
@HiiPPi34 жыл бұрын
cossacks sounds
@juliuszgodek65145 жыл бұрын
Amazing video
@bigbake1324 жыл бұрын
Nice job!
@AudieHolland4 жыл бұрын
The Spanish formation (Original Tercio): Fear our invincible army! The Dutch formation: Sir, this would be perfect if we added a lot of heavy artillery! (Maurits): "Nah, I hate to lug those heavy lumps of iron around." The Danish formation: it's like a local speciality. Noone else touches it. The Swedish formation: bring in the Heavy Metal. Let's Rock! You'd think I would say the Dutch formation is the best. But nah. Being a Dutchman myself, I can come up with a very valid reason for not employing a lot of heavy artillery. Cannon are expensive. What if we lose a few pieces during a retreat or if we lose a battle? Who is going to explain that to the state treasurer? We can easily train a few thousands of new musketeers and quickly. Compared to cannon, muskets are cheap.
@geoffreyM2TW4 жыл бұрын
Maurice of Nassau says that in this formation the musketeers on the sides of the pikemen should stay behind a stone wall or a redoubt and fire from there by rotation of ranks. This was a practice used a lot in the English Civil War by both sides. But even when such protection was not available, battalions deployed in the Dutch formation during the English Civil War.
@giorgigio35025 жыл бұрын
best mod for me nice vid thx
@urbanacje48964 жыл бұрын
good one but i think you can show more with Empire TW engine, especially rank firing.
@ZT3X4 жыл бұрын
what a great game
@RobertWF424 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see if it's better to break up an army's cavalry into separate units attached to every pike and shot formation instead of putting cavalry on the wings. In lots of battles gaps open up between the battle line during combat, presenting opportunities for cavalry to hit enemy units in the flank & rear.
@geoffreyM2TW4 жыл бұрын
In the painting of the Battle of White Mountain there is cavalry between the tercios. This arrangement is sometimes referred to as the German formation. Nonetheless, I have found that once enemy units get in between the tercios they get a morale handicap and often break, especially when fired at. I have made a couple of videos with the Italian Wars mod where you can see how enemy infantry breaks when they enter the space between tercios - here for example kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d6tyhceHmty6ias.html at 7:04. Of course it's a game mechanic, but the game mechanics are made so as to somewhat imitate reality.
@RobertWF424 жыл бұрын
@@geoffreyM2TW Very interesting, thank you.
@lucianogardelli107 жыл бұрын
That was so cool
@geoffreyM2TW7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@user-bv4ft7jn8y4 жыл бұрын
So good
@aquafox22199 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know how to get the launcher to work for 1648 total war with a steam version of mtw2? If so an explanation would be appreciated.
@geoffreyM2TW9 жыл бұрын
Aquafox There is some advice at twcenter, e.g. here www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?687573-Impossible-to-run-M2-mods-on-win7-OS&p=14493077&viewfull=1#post14493077 You can make the launcher to work for any mod.
@RenMagnum40574 жыл бұрын
Tried this in Warhammer. Did not end well lol
@geoffreyM2TW4 жыл бұрын
Good to know!
@huntclanhunt96974 жыл бұрын
So which is better? Tercio or Battalia?
@geoffreyM2TW4 жыл бұрын
If you have more pikemen than musketeers, then tercio is better. If you have more musketeers than pikemen, then the other formations work best because they make more effective use of the musketeers. However, if the AI has mostly pikemen, it will attack your positions and if the pikemen get to your positions and you are weak in pikemen the AI will probably win.
@huntclanhunt96974 жыл бұрын
@@geoffreyM2TW Yeah. I've found for M2TW musketeers aren't usually able to rout pikemen on their own, so Tercio has become my go-to formation.
@geoffreyM2TW4 жыл бұрын
@@huntclanhunt9697 - You can make any formation work but you can use whichever formation works best for you.
@cinemacritic95717 жыл бұрын
good video
@NapoleonTotal2 жыл бұрын
nice
@alecmclardy77096 жыл бұрын
That was fucking epic do you know any other pile and shot mods for total war
@geoffreyM2TW6 жыл бұрын
There is For King or Country, a mod about the English Civil War which is a non-Kingdoms mod and therefore not playable on Steam. There is a Polish mod called With Fire and Sword, based on a homonymous Polish movie about the Polish-Swedish War. There is also the Italian Wars mod.
@g-lix77023 жыл бұрын
where can i find all the diffrent countries in detail. wanna know about the germans specifically
@geoffreyM2TW3 жыл бұрын
No two battles were the same. Commanders were usually experimenting depending on the circumstances. What is shown in this video are some general outlines based on an Osprey book by Keith Roberts: Pike and Shot Tactics 1590-1660.
@arkana55723 жыл бұрын
What happened if you use the pike and shot Formation in shogun 2 total war
@geoffreyM2TW3 жыл бұрын
The range of arquebuses is too short in Shogun II but pike and shot formations might work with Fall of the Samurai.
@modernknightone9 жыл бұрын
Oh WOW! I gotta get this mod. Where can I download?
@NarednikLobanja9 жыл бұрын
Is there anything important to know before installing or downloading the mod?
@maguimnobbao14338 ай бұрын
Mod please?!???
@kgp2275 жыл бұрын
If the Musketeers would fire whilst moving historically could that not be replicated by scripting them to behave like skirmish cav, or would that break everything?
@geoffreyM2TW5 жыл бұрын
Yes, we tried that but we could not get skirmishing cav without the horses. The soldiers looked weird with open legs and floating in the air. Other things were buggy as well, so we never went any further with that idea.
@kgp2275 жыл бұрын
@@geoffreyM2TW oof
@poctordepper44697 жыл бұрын
How do you hide the mini map in replays?
@geoffreyM2TW7 жыл бұрын
These scenes were not replays, they were recorded on the fly during custom battles. I do not think it is possible to hide the mini map during replays.
@kagtkalem71158 жыл бұрын
What if enemy charge at our musketeers in Dutch formation ?
@geoffreyM2TW8 жыл бұрын
+İnebolu Balıkçısı In reality, most of the time musketeers took cover behind stone walls and hedges even when in Dutch formation. Maurice of Nassau assumed they would be firing from cover when he wrote about this formation. If they were fighting in a pitched battle and cover was not available, presumably the pikemen would have to help them out. They were nearby. A company 8 deep was probably only 10-12 men broad, a few steps from the pikemen and they were covered.
@kagtkalem71158 жыл бұрын
geoffreyM2TW So pikemen march forward and spread out ?
@geoffreyM2TW8 жыл бұрын
+İnebolu Balıkçısı Guessing from contemporary descriptions, they just moved forward to counter the enemy pikemen with the musketeers on the flanks firing. If they spread out, they would block the field of fire of the musketeers. But in the Danish formation the musketeers would end up unable to fire, because the pikemen were more spread out. The Danish formation was not used by anyone else, so the Dutch formation, with the musketeers always having a free field of fire, was probably a better arrangement.
@kagtkalem71158 жыл бұрын
geoffreyM2TW I am asking this because when I try this tactic on M2TW, enemy cav just charge into my musketeers and retreat when pikes marches on them
@geoffreyM2TW8 жыл бұрын
+İnebolu Balıkçısı If the enemy has a lot of cavalry and you are worried about being overwhelmed, then you can bring more pikemen to the battle and arrange your army in the Spanish tercio formation.
@napoleoncomplex27126 жыл бұрын
And people charged those things? Deliberately?
@geoffreyM2TW6 жыл бұрын
Usually cavalry kept its distance and pikemen fought pikemen. If a tercio wavered or if it broke, they might be attacked by cavalry. The Polish cavalry apparently had some success attacking the Swedish pike & shot formations possibly catching them unprepared with surprise attacks.
@jakubborysewicz88775 жыл бұрын
@@geoffreyM2TW Actually, polish calvary just had longer pikes (5,5 - 6m) than swedish infantry (3-4m).
@su_morenito_19484 жыл бұрын
Jakub Borysewicz The Spaniards had 8 M pikes tho
@y.z.65174 жыл бұрын
Sadly, it just doesn't work in Medieval 2. Cavalry is SOOOO overpowering that a full cavalry army can rout a balanced army with just 1 frontal charge. The enemy routs, before I can flank them! The only thing I found working is a Tercio styled army. Every 4 pikemen forming a square has 1 gunmen "guarrisoned". Even then, the casualty is too great to be effective in a campaign. I understand cavalry domination is historically accurate in the Early Middie Age, but pikemen in the Late Middle Age should have heavy armours.
@geoffreyM2TW4 жыл бұрын
The vanilla version of M2TW is not really appropriate for the Renaissance period. Probably no one ever gets to that point anyway. Good mods for the Renaissance period and the the Pike and Shot period are the Italian Wars and the 1648 mod. Hopefully, Creative Assembly will one day create a game focusing more on pikemen and pike and shot formations.
@y.z.65174 жыл бұрын
@@geoffreyM2TW Yes, we want Renaissance: Total War!
@ahmedkeremsayar4 жыл бұрын
I wonder what strategies did ottomans adopt during battlefield. They manage to annihilate most european nations till 1700
@geoffreyM2TW4 жыл бұрын
Sadly I am not an expert. I think their army was more Polish style, i.e. without many pikemen but mostly musketeers and cavalry plus lots of cheap rag tag units of all kinds. I think their tactics were mostly based on numbers. We always read their armies were very numerous and they could probably afford that by using unconventional methods such as slave soldiers (the Janissaries) and forcing vassals to contribute forces and so on. My feeling is that their victories were not necessarily the result of good tactics but often due to numbers, although the Janissaries being committed full time to training for war would have been decent soldiers. The Sipahis were similarly sons of wealthy landlords with an obligation to train for war and take part in campaigns.
@AudieHolland4 жыл бұрын
Don't know much about it either. Just chanced a Wikipedia look-up. According to them, it was the Turks who first started using muskets in massed formations combined with a lot of artillery. It says the Turks started using matchlocks as early as 1440. Now I don't have time to look up sources but everyone remembers that the Turks took Constantinople by using the first usable heavy cannon. The original black powder hand cannon was invented in China in the 12th century. Becoming a rather popular weapon in the 13th century, it spread westward across Asia during the 14th century. And logically the Turks were the first on this side of the world to become acquainted with firearms so I'd say the Turks had a powerful and efficient army because they used large numbers… of highly trained, musket armed Janissaries. And cannon.
@geoffreyM2TW4 жыл бұрын
@@AudieHolland - Maurice of Nassau says that in this formation the musketeers on the sides of the pikemen should stay behind a stone wall or a redoubt and fire from there by rotation of ranks. This was a practice used a lot in the English Civil War by both sides. But even when such protection was not available, battalions deployed in the Dutch formation during the English Civil War.
@AudieHolland4 жыл бұрын
@@geoffreyM2TW Yes, of course, Maurits made the musketfire more efficient and thus deadlier. I was just replying to the original poster that the Turks were probably the ones who introduced muskets and cannon onto the European battlefield.
@geoffreyM2TW4 жыл бұрын
@@AudieHolland -Sorry I was replying to another comment and put my mistake my response here. Yes, you are probably right in your assessment.
@yangzhong81754 жыл бұрын
what mod is this?
@jenriquep48174 жыл бұрын
Spanish tercio?
@jutsie7 жыл бұрын
Can the AI handle this? or is it retarded and tires to rush you with melee or cavalry? :) looks fucking amazing btw!
@geoffreyM2TW7 жыл бұрын
As I comment in my latest videoclips, we managed to get the AI to keep its formation but it was not working: Because the pikemen were advancing slowly waiting for the musketeers who were loading up, but because the pikemen were advancing the musketeers then would stop loading up and hurry up to catch up with the pikemen, never ever firing until they got to pistol-shot range. The result was that the AI advanced as a decent looking formation, not perfect but not bad, but slowly and under constant fire and was cut to shreds. In the end we opted for the AI to rush the player with cavalry and pikes as you guessed, because that caused more damage. If Creative Assembly could come up with a post-Renaissance kingdoms campaign that would allow musketeers to fire on their advance, that would solve this problem and it would be fantastic of course!
@greenmushroom239 жыл бұрын
I thought this was turn based?
@WillyShakes9 жыл бұрын
You're thinking of just the game "Pike and Shot" this is a mod for Medieval Total War II called 1648.
@Galdenberry_Lamphuck4 жыл бұрын
Much prefer the Thin Red Line tactic. Every gun fires at the same time, which demoralized and confused the enemy. Granted at this point cavalry is kept around out of a sense of tradition and muskets are far more powerful and reliable
@TheManofthecross4 жыл бұрын
@Lats Niebling they only had the advantage of being able to hide enough from massed artillery fire which can tear holes in the formation real fast especially French gun crews are quite capable now if carcaus and quick lime rounds were used among other things to deny weselly his hide the troops behind the hill to protect from artillery fire method then it would be lights out for him. especially the quick lime rounds with the burns and all of that which will force anyone out of cover real fast.
@TheManofthecross4 жыл бұрын
@Lats Niebling true.
@TheManofthecross4 жыл бұрын
@Lats Niebling yep. using those rounds on open field battles will help clear anyone out of cover epsecally denying them the hide behind the hill method which is weselly's signature tactic used though out his battles etc. to deal with those rounds would force his hand to attack the batteries using those rounds or withdraw from those positions.
@saber28027 жыл бұрын
that dutch formation does not work for me in total war, warhammer, when the Spanish one does.
@jerec12677 жыл бұрын
Lucy Pedersen well you see warhammer is a fantasy game and the empire is based on the HRE so take of that as you will
@saber28027 жыл бұрын
Jerec 12 I am aware of that, just wanted to state it kind of works when magic isn't being used.
@heinwein4213 жыл бұрын
This is all BS. The Swiss where the founder of every Pikeformation after. The Swiss where the first one who won battles whitout cavallery and musketes. The German Landsknechte are a cheap imitation of the Swiss Tactic. The Spanish Tercios also have theire origin from the Swiss Tactic which was in fact very simple. The Vorhut(Scouts) thry find the foe and the Terrain where the Swiss would fight. The Vorhut attacked the foe and keeping them busy until the Mainforce known as Gewalthaufen lance a furiouse, brutal and with no mercy attack, then last but not least the Nachhut attacks the enemy and gave him the rest. Swiss Guards of the Pope are highly regardet for theire fighting skills and every enemy knows a Swiss never capitulate and will fight till death against anyone.