So i have one question ever since i first saw this: How does gun reload work? As far as i understand these changes, The slowest guns possible will be godtier if there is no reload (unless 2 pistols end up doing more damage, havent done the math on that yet but considering Arqebus works with 2H weapon style i dont see it). Another question is, did they keep spells being able to be retargeted? Because if not they have made casters even worse than they were before. Especially considering how consistent flanking will be. Really not liking how it is implement. Heavy and slow everything will be best on POTD + 1 fast character for hard cc since speed has gone from a really important stat (at least buff wise) to a dump stat. A more obscure question: How does this affect the "Red Hand" Arquebus. It used to be the best gun in the game by a large margin since it could fire twice before downtime. Does it still fire twice per turn or does it simply set initiative to 0 for the next turn? Anyway thanks for making this video , much appreciated.

@@WhirlwindHeatAndFlash Guns have no reload time. Just longer Initiative then other weapons. I have not tried the Red Hand, so I don't know how it is affected.

@@Fextralife Thank you. Very much appreciated :)

Look at Divinity Original Sin 2. If Pillars of Eternity 2 had turn based at launch, could have sold better.

In all honesty I don’t think PoE works with turn-based nearly as well as D:OS, due to the differences in their fundamental design.

@Tevyn Monismith 100% lol

@Cthulhu i get what ur saying. Apparently im trash too 😆

@Mr. Cactuar how is turn based 'dumbed down' when every pen and paper game (which inspired all CRPGs) are turned based?

Didn't Baldur's Gate have something similar with the Armor Rating? Shit was confusing at first.

I’m guessing it’s meant to imply their initiative rank wherein 1 is implied as number 1 to go in combat. Still, I do agree it’s a very weird design choice.

@@charaznable8072yeah, 10 was the default/worst and you wanted to get as far into the negatives as possible

Agreed, I figured a move to a DOS2 style of "turn based" for POE2 would be a much more natural fit than turn based without completely dumping the already established combat mechanic. Can't complain about the free mode though, fun and different but needs major tweaking

Exactly this. And yes, I'm not gonna give them any smack for being such awesome developers and doing this for us for free. But anyone who have ever played any sort of turn based RPG or combat system knows that the AP mechanics is the proven standard, from XCom to DOS, it's intuitive and simple, and it works. It's understandable that there might be some technical issues preventing them from doing an AP system, or just mainly because they don't wanna stray too far from their recovery mechanics, I don't know. But to me personally, I'm really not a fan of this system, it's overly complicated and tedious to learn. Turn based combat has always been praised for it's simplicity, it's your turn, do a number of stuff until you run out of points, end turn, which is why we can focus on other things, from positioning to strategy.

Yea but they screwed that up in DOS2 TO 4 fucking AP.

@@quadphonics Yeah, that's true. But there's always Lone Wolf so it's kinda ok.

the action sistem is fine really, because it makes things balanced, if there was a way to get more action points, it would make the game much easier if you make any build with a lot of action points, the only exception to this however is wasteland 2, in wich iniciative is more important for dps builds then action points since you can have 2 turns on the same round if you have enough iniciative, if you want to have proper action points in a game with the dexterity/agility stat look no further then underrail, in my opinion they do it properly, you can't have more action points in any way, instead you have movement points wich are only used to move, while action points are used to move and make actions.

If youre good with the AI configurator, you dont really need to do that anymore. Sadly there arent too many guides out there that give you examples of how to set it up so it can be a struggle until you figure out how it works...after that though, you rarely have to take your companions off AI except for boss battles where you really want to control the flow of everything.

Thank you for watching!

Yes I bought it a long time ago... like 8 months or so and just started to play it 4 days ago and I only did it because of turn based combat. it is very nice and I learned a lot from these videos. I think you will greatly enjoy the game.

Divinity original sins has spolied me so much , that is my benchmark

Yep.

So pause as soon as the spell caster has his casting turn? Been trying to figure this out, since just started playing turn based and thought you couldn’t redirect spells. Good to know wizards don’t suck ass in turn based mode now then

O-o

yep exactly and you really only need it for certain battles.

hmm why doesn't ambushing give you an initiative boost? seems like it should

Which did you prefer? PoE or DoS games?

I'm guessing you don't play chess with a clock huh?

@@crushingit5128 for me personally DO2 is the best for me, much more freedom, much more interaction and a better turn based system although to be fair POE2 wasn't a turn based system in the first place!

@@DecrepitBiden realtime combat is finicky and tedious. BORING SHIT

Lost after 4 mins...

How do chants and linger work?

Wait how do you get the spell to cast on the same turn? Because every time im go to cast... let's say fireball on aloth it takes longer than originally and the enemies always end up moving out of the AOE zone, it's like I get them all into the corner and then go to cast but between the time the fire ball actually goes off and when its cast 3 of those enemies I strategically moved into that area have detached and gone after my healer who's miles away.

This has just been "fixed" in the 4.1.1 and doesn't consume the action point anymore.

I personally think its better than DS 2....Battles in DS 2 devolve into the same tactic over and over again, wheres in POE 1 & 2, thats not going to work lol...some things are completely immune to some weapon or spell types, requiring you to switch things up on a regular basis. The combat systems are better as well. Damage types make a difference as does accuracy, deflection and weapon/cast speed. Its just a lot more granular then DS 2 and has a creepier atmosphere for dungeons.

Wow. 6 minutes after I posted.@@rpscorp9457

it causes them to be prone until their next round which opens for / adds damage to sneak attack

@@molnet999 not enough

@@jigglefloyd it also almost halves their movement points.

It's about 90-95% the same, so I don't think so.

I am a Gen Xer and my first crpg games were all turn based so I feel gaming is returning to rather than going to turn-based systems. Real-time with pause came to the fore with the Infinity Engine and had it's time but the pendulum has swung back to turn-based in party based crps. I happen to prefer the turn-based for party games now myself. I would be really surprised if turn-based is the rule for near future gaming.

Same. Glad folks like the addition, but I'll be sticking to the original system.

same, personally would play dos2 or some jrpgs for turn-based, but if this will make more people buy it then its definitely a great addition.

I did both and honestly I love this turn based. It's like playing Divinity Original Sin. The real time pause and click I feel is better for trash monsters but the tactical is much better for bosses and serious monsters. But to me its almost like a different game. I am even slowing down to enjoy the story better. You really get to know your character even better in turn based mode.

i prefer more the real time with pause. but it's good that they added this, helps attract a more ample demographic

@@Arcanyum I've been playing both. It's an entirely different experience. Turn based you really feel each of the feats and character development choices it's almost like a different game.

Enemies (and players) have to have an Engagement in order to cause a Disengagement attack. Shields give you +1, and some Stances and Skills do as well. You don't get a Disengagement attack by default.

@@Fextralife Oh ok, thank, I will check more closely.

It refreshes your Initiative, so you'll go first in the next round.

Are you playing an older version of the game?

He literally says in the video you have to pick one or the other and if you want to switch you need to start over.

It's on the PS4 version too: fextralife.com/poe-2-console-review-pillars-of-eternity-2-ultimate-edition-for-consoles-is-two-games-in-one/

How would you make so spells cast immediately? New to this game, planning on starting my first walkthrough after dos2

You can already set default actions and AI with PoE:Deadfire before this patch.

@@nicoinformatics Sure you can, but its impossible to play at higher difficulties with such low level customization. I want a lot of "If Then" for many ocasions. The options they give us are too general. A game from years ago (FF12 and DAO) gave way more freedom in this regard than POE. It was quite a let down for me, since i dislike repetition. I was almost tempted to play a solo char, but im too interested in everyone's storyline to do that. And, in the end, I just lost the will to continue playing. I just checked and the game is still installed here, but... well, now that POE2 has a turn based mode, maybe I will finnish POE1 so I wont miss the story.

@@TrueMomozo Well I see what you're talking about, and yeah I agree. Though there's a mod for it which is more than enough to have almost the same capabilities as what DA:O had.

@@nicoinformatics Oh God! Really? Do you know the name of the mod? I would really appreciate it!

@@TrueMomozo I believe it's called "More Custom AI Conditions" you can get it at Nexusmods, the mod adds a few dozen more conditionals for the game if I remember correctly. I used it alot on my Deadfire playthroughs.

Yes

@@giovannironcuzzi4160 ufff

"Currently Accepted" is a very narrow thing to say. You are saying that there is no need for any new mechanics or intuitive designs when it comes to turn based systems beyond DoS and the AP system. While I believe PoEs turn based needs work and that dexterity and action speed need to do more than initiative for martial classes, it is not overly complicated nor the wrong way to do it.

@@mp7311 It might be, but that doesn't change the fact that AP is the widely used format for turn based combat, same as VIDS (Vitality, Intelligence, Dexterity, Strength) are the commonly used terms with almost the exact same functionality across many different RPG games. It all comes down to familiarity. Almost all turn based combat will use an AP system in some form, it's not really a new thing, Civilization, HoMM, XCOM all turn based games, and all uses AP in some way or form. And please don't take this the wrong way, but you have a very odd notion regarding what constitutes as an intuitive design. Intuitive design in games basically means no explanations needed. You do it and you'll understand it, that's what intuitiveness means. No one needs to explain that guns are for shooting baddies in Doom, the game would just assume that you know what guns do and if for some reason you don't, you'll know exactly what it does the very first time you click and point on a mob. Take DOS2 for instance, I'll call it one example of a good intuitive design for turn based combat and why Deadfire is not. If someone plays DOS2 for the first time, and they ignore the tutorials, just close it, don't read anything, what would happen is that player would see there are these say 5 green balls dab center in the screen, with nothing else, just balls. They tried doing something, moving, casting skills, using an item, anything, some balls will turn red, and be gone after they did that something at the very first time they did combat. Anyone at that point would immediately understand one of the core feature of the game, without any explanation whatsoever. This is intuitive design at it's best. Now take Deadfire. If they ignored reading anything, learning anything, not bothering with tutorials, it'll take them significantly longer if not at all to understand how the combat works. I'm not here to complain much about the new mechanics, I honestly believe they did what they could without straying too far from their previous system. But as far as turn-based goes, it is complicated, not because they did it wrong, but because the game were not designed to be that way in the first place, and this is their workaround for it.

@@nicoinformatics INnovation is scary at times

@@israelblocktrine8855 Can't really disagree with that. And yeah, I would still applaud Obsidian if their reasoning was to innovate the turn based system dramatically or that they did what they thought was best as a workaround and not going too far compared to their recovery mechanics. Both are good reasons.

"Currently Accepted" I disagree with this. Turn based games traditionally have been using movement, action, bonus action and free action. DnD, xcom (ish) as examples. When in doubt devs should always look at DnD's 30+ years worth of balancing. AP systems while good, tend to lack the nuance of DnD, for example, feeling like you have to always use every single AP to damage otherwise you are wasting your resources.