That was exactly the point made in the video. Were you actually watching/listening? 03:24 "Larian Studios has been developing and iterating upon its complex choice based combat system through both Divinity Original Sin games." 03:53 "What you're actually observing is the end result of years of iterative design."

@@napyet And in that you are totally right! Just noting that their CRPG root goes well beyond the two Original Sins. Anyway, I might be nitpicking due to my belgian nationality at this point :) I enjoyed your video and am eager to see more of your content!

it's more correct to say that they started doing crpg with the first original sin. other games of the saga are action rpg. the first one, divine divinity, it's diablo with some ultima elements

That's kind of the point I was trying to make in the video - they are different games - each with their own merits

BG3 is good but I can't stand the formula of gameplay where you have a giant area that you do small things in until you've beaten the huge area then you move on to the next one. It's like yes some interesting things happened in the area but it honestly feels really restrictive that the game is essentially set in a few areas with lots of stuff to do that I'm not really interested in. I like the story, moment to moment gameplay and combat but the game feels very unfocused at times especially when I'm supposed to be rushing to get a mindflayer parasite out of my head but first I have to talk to every NPC on the way and sort all of their problems and it makes the main story feel trivial. I also hate how much talking there is. So much time is spent in cutscenes talking to people instead of actually exploring areas in a world and fighting new enemies/discovering new things. In Pillars you go from one interesting area to the next each with their own relevant and interesting NPC's/side quests. The pacing and main story feel great. BG3 you just want to get past the bullshit alot of the time and get back to actually playing the game. Genuinely dreaded going back to camp because of how much talking you'd have to go through that was often cheesy and uninteresting. I love the gameplay, but hate how much the game keeps me away from gameplay and hate how it paced it's gameplay.

I call cap. In which regards is PoE supposed to be better than BG2?

@@yodigak8810 story telling, combat, graphics. It could be playing them at different ages but I enjoyed PoE far more.

I prefered Tyranny, I thought that in terms of choice and gameplay, it offers a far more richer experience. And also Torment from InXile was exploring far too similar topics to PoE1. It was weird. But Pillar 1 was the re-starting point of it all and I played it more than 70 hours... so, still a good game.

Divinity OS 2 negs all

Hey they're all great and we need to support each other so we can still get good games instead of of triple and quadruple A turds that won't flush down the toilet.

@@Davidesrajohn Yeah, I don't know exactly why but Larian games feel really game-y when I play them, which is not a bad thing in general, but not the best quality for an RPG in my opinion. I also think that I don't enjoy messing with mechanics that much, like stacking a tower of boxes, or carrying a bunch of explosive barrels just in case etc. People seem to enjoy that kind of thing a lot, but it is pretty low on my personal priority list when it comes to a party RPG.

Thank you! I've been complaining about this to friends and they don't seem to understand it. I think Larian treats the world like a playground, rather than an immersive world, which makes the game feel very game-y to me.

The production value in bg3 is insane though. Full voiced characters with full facial mocap animations on all dialogue options is just completely insane. Completely immersed. No other crpg does it and hardly any rpg does it.

I have played WotR and BG3 beats it easily with how much freedom you have. In WotR you cannot jump, you may have wings, but cannot fly over a canyon. And combats feel so incredibly repetitive. Each combat in BG3 feels unique and memorable and you can avoid many combats by using skills, class or race to defuse.

True. Although Divinity OS2 is the best crpg for me, it is almost impossible to finish it without watching a KZfaq video

I think it was a very smart move for them to move it forward on the release slate to give it room to breath. I would've been torn between BG3 or Starfield otherwise and it probably wouldn't have got the exposure it deserves

I think the pathfinder games are quite a bit better than BG3. Character creation is extremely limited in BG3 and act 3 is a horrendous mess of bugs, glitches, event triggers either not working at all, or randomly activating and ruining things. BG3 also has logic problems and punishes you for doing the things you should do. For instance the Moonrise towers bit. The game goes out of it's way to tell you that Ketheric is immortal and his power is tied to an unknown source....then gives you a quest and maps markers to go find the source of his invulnerability....so of course you would want to go grab the source of his power to make going to Moonrise without it a futile waste of time...right? Yeah....you go through that hellish tedium of the Sharr dungeon and pull off an extremely hard challenge just to find that the game killed all the hostages and important vendors because it wanted you to go directly to Moonrise KNOWING that you wouldn't be able to kill the guy they want you to go fight. Lots of dumb stuff like that and the game is honestly written pretty poorly and illogically.

​@@47ravenlord Sorry but I feel like that is on you, since once you go to the Shar dungeon, TO GET HIS SOURCE OF POWER and do what you gotta do there, why would you think KT just DIDNT notice its gone? That makes no sense. I dont think thats poor game logic here, kinda on you... lol of course the entire tower is going to be hostile to you, they know what you just did.

@@MDHDH-iy7nmI think the writing/ narrative depth in bg3 is much worse than in pillars of eternity, and much much worse than baldurs gate 2. To me bg3 is written like a marvel movie as opposed to a fantasy novel. Also feel it’s missing the atmosphere. And don’t love any of the companions. I initially thought bg3 was a masterpiece, but having come down from the initial high I’ve realized the writing for me really holds it back and prevents me from wanting to replay, and the combat is fun, but not deep enough to offset that. it’s just given me a kick to replay the original trilogy and pillars as opposed to replaying BG3. It’s a great game, the interactivity / exploration mechanics are second to none, and I’m glad it’s successful. But it frankly doesn’t come close to capturing the magic of baldurs gate imo, and pillars comes much closer

@@boethius8114 I'm only half done with BG3 so far. I still consider BG2 as the best for now and both BG1 and 2 just seemed bigger and more immersive for several reasons. BG3 has done some great things though, the Larian style features of physics and interaction make combat more dynamic in a lot of ways, and there is verticality to the maps which adds a new dimension. I agree that writing, style and atmosphere are still better in both BG1 and 2 though. A few little things too that add to the immersion, like a full day/night cycle and in-game time. There are little more numerous, even random little spawn encounters compared to the much tougher or bigger encounters, which makes the world feel more alive. Resting is not some cozy little retreat, which feels like summoning a town to your dungeon in BG3 lol. In the first two games, it's a bit or a more meaningful and tactical decision to rest, because you can actually be attacked if not at an Inn, it's just another thing that's subtle but really adds to those games.

Exactly the same - I was a bout 40 hours into a new playthrough of Pillars when BD3 released (in fact, it was the upcoming release of BD3 that caused me to revisit it)

@@napyet Haha yeah sounds familiar - it's a shame because you can never really pick up a CRPG playthrough mid way again later on.. But sacrifices have to be made for bg3, this game is worth it!

It's not even just confined to CRPG for me! I know I'm going to get distracted by Starfield next month /sigh

It has a lot of freedom except for the roleplaying aspect.

The games not overhyped. It was hyped and more than delivered. There are loads of people who don't play CRPGs who are loving this game. The attention to detail and anticipation of just about any gameplay scenario is like nothing I've ever seen in an RPG. The whole idea of an RPG is to have an emmersive experience where you feel like the Character you created. This delivers in spades. If there's not enough action for you then go play Elden Ring or PoE2 when it comes out.

@@mickpratt8327 where did i say i need "action"? What im actually saying is: they didn't evolve RPG genre, didn't make it more advanced (what you can expect when a game is so overhyped) That's not a breakthrough, there's nothing new in the game. They just added some decoration (cutscenes on every click, destructable objects etc.) Besides that, they even failed decoration at some aspects, likse inventory/party management, quest list not being able to sort, flat probability distribution from DnD (which might be ok when you don't have proper tools while sitting at the table, but it's not ok when you can afford more complex probability calculations) etc.

@@testerjohnson7940 Do you know what evolution means? Just because you don't like cutscenes and it didn't make improvements you dreamed of that doesn't mean the game isn't something new. There's also absolutely no new feature in Dark Souls but it's still a milestone because games are more than a list of features.

What the fuck?

Yeah I hate that all my companions are trying to fuck me.. like chill out dude I don’t swing that way.

Thats why I'm still not done with BG3 despite getting it when it came out. The production is top notch but it was definitely written with too much of that 'progressive' culture.

@@coldcrush5921 Larian appreciates money from either side of the aisle, I'm sure

@@coldcrush5921I really don’t see it in the game. Other than there being weird options for sex just like there is weird options for everything else, I don’t see what you mean, and I wouldn’t classify that as “progressive”.

I’m just starting to try CRPGs too. I suggest u try DOS 2. It’s really good. I’m not really a fan of turn based combat, but it’s really good in DOS 2. The class system is also more fluid, like u don’t have to stay in 1 class. U can mix and match. U can even readjust the points (and even the appearance of yout characters) midway through the game. Very useful for newbie like me. I tried BG3. I don’t really like the combat system. Feels a bit limited. I got a refund after playing for a couple hours. I think I don’t like D&D combat system. Might give it another go later once I finish DOS2.

Should try dos2. Its combat system is better in my opinion. The companions are incredible. Fate and The Red Prince are hard to beat. I havent finished bg3 yet but so far I found the story in dos2 to be far more interesting.

@@coldcrush5921 I actually got it on a steam sale. Played for while but of course when new games out, much like warhammer 40k RT, it's hard going back to older ones. Have played bg3 in months.

@boethius8114 Very fair criticism there. My problem with games like Baldur's Gate 3 is mainly the oversaturation of millennial writing which is far inferior to the writing of the older CRPG masterpieces like Baldur's Gate 2 and Planescape Torment. To many Baldur's Gate 3 does not feel like the old Baldur's Gate games and feels more like the newer Divinity Original Sin series though quite a bit edgier than that. It has a different tone most of the time.

​@@gamersinger5118is planetscape torment gameplay outdated now? I'd like to get into it.

@@ytcomment1810 Gameplay is definitely outdated. I won't disagree with that. But it's story is something every RPG fan needs to experience.

​@@ytcomment1810I've been playing it. Gameplay definitely outdated. Writing is great though. It has a great and interesting unique story.

But that's not Baldurs Gate.

bg3 is turnbased @@defatgames2796

by extension, I played pathfinder WOTR before the BG3 release and I really didnt felt any gap between the two games, WOTR already made huge improvemebt to the crpg formula with the interactions between caracters, the camp thing, etc etc. I dont know its prboably a question of taste

I enjoyed Pathfinder too (there's a review on the channel if you're interested). I found both games have there merits - it's true Pathfinder is much more customizable in terms of the party you can build

BG3's biggest fault is it's 5e base

@@OmegeddonI think it’s the marvel movie writing and divinity style atmosphere, which unfortunately misses on two of the best things about baldurs gate

@@boethius8114 i think the story is fine for me it just really suffers from a lack of options. Level ups are lackluster and choices are limited

I'll shit all over bg3. In my experience anything becoming mainstream ends badly. Leave it in the subculture so it keeps it heart, soul, and quality even if it's low budget. You can already see it losing those qualities from the journey from dos2 to bg3.

I'm enjoying it a lot but taking my time. There's a lot to discover!

It's an interesting point of view. The amount of lore that's in BD3 firmly sets it within the same universe and timeline, so I feel they've been as respectful as any new company with a new approach to the design could be

@@napyet certainly its a forgotten realms game no doubt, and theres many other PC RPGs set in that world as well, like the Pool of Radiance (A somewhat buggy but still fun RPG from back in the day)

Try the Pathfinder series. The second one is better than BG3 in every way imaginable.

@@47ravenlord nah man, it's got a bunch of annoying shit going, I love both games. But saying PF is better in every way imaginable just tells me you're incredibly biased. and dumb.

Room temperature iq

Super bad take lmfao, go back to CoD