Pinarello Dogma F vs Dogma F12 Road Bike

Pinarello Dogma F vs Dogma F12 Road Bike | Sigma Sports

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2 жыл бұрын

The Pinarello Dogma F12 was released in 2019 to huge acclaim - somehow the Italian road bike virtuoso had further improved on the winningest road bike in recent Grand Tour history. So now, with the introduction of the Dogma F, can Pinarello take pro-level road bike performance to even greater heights? With promises of greater aerodynamic performance, stiffer power transfer, greater comfort and significantly lighter weight - we'll need an expert to put both bikes to the test.
Follow Sigma Sports Bike Sales Expert Dan McQuillan as he puts both the Pinarello Dogma F and the Dogma F12 to a real-world test, riding as hard as he can on a short but effective time trial - which one will come out on top?
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@alexandercameron1977 Жыл бұрын

My first Pinarello was the 2010 Paris and I currently have Dogma 8 with Sram e tap. Some people complain about the price but it is not Chinese and it will last you more than ten years if you look after it. Finally to those who complain about the comparison test, this is not scientific but serious enough for me to respect Sigma sports and their inhouse test rider. Thank you so much Sigma this was a well edited ,fun viewing .

@hmudesign 2 жыл бұрын

I’m happy to see your humor isn’t lost on you during covid, cause that test was quite funny.

@johnclement7621 2 жыл бұрын

Dan … can you hear that ? Still no squeaking from those rim brakes 😂😂… if you know .. you know … you know

@27gw27 2 жыл бұрын

Props to Dan, great presenting.

@geoffwoods3653 2 жыл бұрын

Would have been a fairer test if both bikes had the same wheels ang groupset. Just saying.

@Playmaker_08 2 жыл бұрын

Wheels, tires, and power output were not made the same between both test rides. Can’t compare the two in that circumstance and give a verdict that one is faster. They are however, gorgeous bikes!!

@stfu6397 Жыл бұрын

exactly, what is this clown comparison between the two lmao

@felixjackson2670 2 жыл бұрын

Bloody heck. HOW could it be possible to have won the Tour De France on the F8 when the new,latest,all bells version is SO MUCH faster. Better not get the new F because in a years time there will be ANOTHER F something that will kick the F something into touch by going even faster. Amazing though that in spite of the fact that EVERY YEAR for decades bike tech has leaped forward,coming up with the best and fastest....fact is that Eddy Merckx and his buddy’s were riding almost as fast 50 years ago on steel frames and bikes with friction gear shifts and weighing 10 kg 🤔 p.s. I ride an F8-Campag Super Record. So love modern bikes,just hate bullshit!

@thierryc4132 2 жыл бұрын

Even if I suppose that the Dogma F is a good evolution of the Dogma F12 in my opinion, this comparison has no value ... Just the set of wheels / tires necessarily has a noticeable impact because everything is different on this point and everything is favorable for the Dogma F to go faster and also be easier with a lacing of the spokes in order to improve the nervousness of the wheels ... Please perform this test again with the same wheels and tires to make it credible.

@vr4966 6 ай бұрын

Marketing

@pinarellocampagnolo3875 Жыл бұрын

What tire size on your Dogma F rear? enough space for 28mm clearance on chainsaty?

@Ghostina1 2 жыл бұрын

Will the bike (Dogma F) come with "borealis" colour aswell???

@francodellamura7471 2 жыл бұрын

I am happy with my K8S. Thank you.

@joedizzelfoerizle Жыл бұрын

Where does the Dogma 60.1 fit into the dogma progression?

@johnsfulton 2 жыл бұрын

Group set will make a significant difference in my opinion, the SRAM Red set up gives a lot more flexibility x12 v Dura Ace. I have two bikes one SRAM and one Dura Ace.

@nicensleazy1892 2 жыл бұрын

those two seat - post grub screws at the rear are a pain. I use to put electrical tape over the two holes to protect them.

@alexandercameron1977 Жыл бұрын

I used tiny pieces of blue tack 😂 you cannot see it and not so ugly.

@djbaskin5814 Жыл бұрын

Easy to operate! Love it!

@josorzo11 2 жыл бұрын

I really wish it had better warranty , costing this much money should come with lifetime warranty like most other brands.

@Timtimzi 2 жыл бұрын

What are you looking to get out of a bike manufacturer warranty?

@josorzo11 2 жыл бұрын

@@Timtimzi i guess peace of mind , if you pay 7k for a frame alone , let’s be honest, all bike are made at the same factories and under the sale conditions, if Giant Cannondale, Trek and specialized can offer a better warranty why not pinarello ???

@kurt4ble 2 жыл бұрын

@@josorzo11 good point. I was considering my options too. I think i'll go with the new emondas or even the tarmac.

@zeuszuki6698 2 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of the placebo effect, sorry but I'm not drinking the Kool Aid . Imo the Bianchi Oltre XR4 and first gen Venge in green are the dogs bullocks 😍

@rafaeldegiacomoaraujo8778 2 жыл бұрын

Snake oil but it's beautiful.

@ThisIZ2Funny Жыл бұрын

How much it weighs?

@solefreak2 Жыл бұрын

Given the cost of these bikes, id be scared to take them out!!

@josephabraha5779 Жыл бұрын

I love the orange color of F12, absolutely amazing 👌🤘

@abcdefg8134 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video but taken with a pinch of salt. It’s the least ‘fair test’ iv seen in a long time. No power data?

@juanhidalgo7043 2 жыл бұрын

I M NOT SURE I CAN AGREE WITH THIS TEST, I have 2011 pinarello dogma and I have to say the 2011 pinarello dogma 2 feel more racy than my pinarello f12. So I am not sure I buy into new bikes give the best ride. For clarity, I have been riding competitive and fun for 16+ years and I would love to hear from pro cyclist wht they think!

@joedizzelfoerizle Жыл бұрын

Same here, I think mine is even older than yours. I have a 60.1 but not sure of the year. Trying to figure out where it fits sequentially in the line.

@JamesBrown-js1qm Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure that Wiggins rode the Dogma 2 throughout the 2012 Tour only to ride the 65.1 on the final day

@ryansuchodolski68 2 жыл бұрын

Like mot comments on this test, I CANNOT AGREE WITH ITS VALIDITY. there are several obvious reasons, but the biggest one to me is his legs are more fresh riding the F first. His legs will be tired after riding the F first.

@mdayne1142 2 жыл бұрын

I was looking at a prince, I may have to look at a Dogma. There is nothing like a Pinarello whether it is the Angeliru, Razha.....or Dogma!

@user-ib5gv8kb3c 6 ай бұрын

I brought the f frame from China gougous bike only 1300 dollars running shamaro ultega cosmic wheels love it all up cost 3.800 dollars

@eechaze12 2 жыл бұрын

Dream bike

@rudyelizondo1935 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent!

@sigmasports 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Rudy!

@tolulopeobe 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t get how you can claim to do a true bike speed comparison without taking average and max power into comparison. Marketing claims 45secs faster over 50kmph speeds but not over how long. Again, snake oil!

@paolohuang9935 10 ай бұрын

This bike was really easy to assemble kzfaq.infoUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.

@treyquattro 6 ай бұрын

test would have been more useful had power been recorded along with speed.

@rudyelizondo1935 2 жыл бұрын

Super nice but I’m sure price is too high

@TERLANJUR_KAYA Жыл бұрын

dogma f is the best 🥰

@sigmasports Жыл бұрын

We're big fans also!

@xavierlee9206 2 жыл бұрын

Is a Marketing Spin - Comparison is discredited, period.

@sadlfjasdfacv 2 жыл бұрын

They're owned by Louis Vuitton group, which makes perfect sense: Quadruple the price of a $500 bag, but for bicycles.

@lookpro.rideslow 2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe it means they’re going to come out with high quality products. No matter the cost.

@Timtimzi 2 жыл бұрын

What's the name of the LV group?

@edjack1993 2 жыл бұрын

It’s almost like Sigma Sports want to sell you the latest bike.

@thomasmountain7791 Жыл бұрын

Almost 😁

@tobykew2227 2 жыл бұрын

Dan is still my absolute favourite. So lovely looking and such a super cyclist. #danforever

@sigmasports 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Toby! We will pass on your kind comments!

@4lumi 2 жыл бұрын

Are you serious with this test???!!!

@MaverickCycle 2 жыл бұрын

no way just frames makes 20+ difference on 10m segment..

@migueldana9561 2 жыл бұрын

Can’t compare how to power meter

@kf168 2 жыл бұрын

not scientific but ok its just ad

@robintheorganist 4 ай бұрын

Winningest!? Oh goodness…😮

@LaRuta-sk8rr 2 жыл бұрын

Nice comercial.

@vincefava7929 2 жыл бұрын

Marketing, not science.

@tywang 2 жыл бұрын

so ppl at Sigma makes lots of money, no wonder when i am having issue with my "Specialized" Venge Pro, noone seems to care.. probably because IT IS TOOOOO CHEAP.

@lcisso8584 7 ай бұрын

Lol how much of a difference can one tell from those 2 bikes. How much can you evolve one model, hitting the wall soon. They are out of ideas and they know it.

@ZIPTRAVELS 2 жыл бұрын

Rubbish comparison, they both are excellent

@sharpcsc998 2 жыл бұрын

Can I buy some pro’s legs with a 24 year old heart, not that a 59yo mamil can tell the difference, but at least I can afford it, which is not fair to those with talent!

@mit1978 2 жыл бұрын

Race yes...comfort no...its not made it for long comfy rides...race and race nothing more.

@attybong 2 жыл бұрын

italian branded, china built .. lol !! (correction .. taiwan made, out of japanese carbon)

@LouieBaLLz 2 жыл бұрын

Why is there always that one special olympic person that mentions china? Almost everything is made there, bro. probably including the electronic device you're watching the video on and posting from. "lol !!"

@attybong 2 жыл бұрын

@@LouieBaLLznothing wrong with products made in china, just stating that fact to stress the unreasonableness of the price at which these bikes are sold when they have been made thru cheap asian labor ..

@grrrooovhusa 2 жыл бұрын

It´s Taiwan, not China ;)

@attybong 2 жыл бұрын

@@grrrooovhusa thus confirming that those expensive bikes are made out of cheap labor .. and they only paid once for the design .. lol!!

@attybong 2 жыл бұрын

they advertise the bike as italian made in heaven when in truth it is made out of japanese carbon and made in asia .. and sell at sky high price .. that's misrepresentation

@rogeriomrcampos 9 ай бұрын

Very disappointing comparison. Just the frameset should vary and not the whole bike! Plus, the guy owns a F12 rim, so the DogmaF was his first ride on discs… should have chosen a rider that owns a F12 disc…

@toi3213 9 ай бұрын

Is this gordon ramsay voice ?

@normen416 2 жыл бұрын

What in the actual ASS, channel this big,full of resources, yet both bikes have different components WTF? and no power data? U kidding me?

@mikedaknight8854 2 жыл бұрын

They might be fancy and very Very expensive, but it's not classy

@sol305 2 жыл бұрын

This bike has won so many grand tours…you can’t get more classy then this bike lol

@marccarter1350 2 жыл бұрын

I cannot afford either. I would not pay 12k for a road bike. I use my local bike builder Thorn Cycles based in Somerset. Obtained a custom factory made bike which I spect out, measured me, even let me send in my own tyers! I spent 4k, but it was a decent price for what I ended up with. The customer service was amazing. I do not buy from greedy bastards like Pinarello. There out to grab as much cash from you, that's why they are so over priced!