FX2 owner here, we had our purchases transferred once. I've heard some third parties didn't agree a second time. Those who have incompleted FX2 collections had the game pulled from the store without warning, so that's partially why FX3 still exists today. The Legacy Bundles are built for us in mind, especially with the stacked discounts during sales. However, there's a bit of a double edged sword in play. Newcomers technically get BOTH for cheaper, and if FX doesn't end up running well on a lower-end build, there's FX3 to fall back on. If you're focused on FX as a newer player, though, and you have the power to handle FX, stick with FX.

Good advice but I actually have the opposite problem, I own all the Pinball FX tables but the small group of my community members who own tables own the FX3 version so we aren't on the same leaderboards since I don't have any FX3 duplicates myself. I have a video I am currently editing that goes more into the pricing and table value that also explains why I suddenly have all the tables. Should be out soon.

I already have another script finished talking about the cost breakdown of the tables but that's some good info about the licensing side of things which isn't a topic I even thought to mention. I actually mentioned Aliens briefly in the video I released today about Dead By Daylight pinball and how both Pinball FX/M and DBD are amazing at theming licensed properties for their games and as an example I mentioned how both games include Chucky and the Alien. Thank you for the complement, figuring out how to talk about pinball was kind of difficult and very different from the way I review other games and I'm sure there is still a ton of terminology I don't know yet. I wasn't sure if I was even going to be good enough to experience enough of the tables to properly explain the experience but I'm starting to learn the various shots and I have started finishing modes on some tables. I plan on going through and reviewing all of the tables in FX and M but only after I have spent enough time with each table to understand it. I'm a lot more interested in making informative videos than trying to do it fast or doing uninformed hot takes and that takes a little more time and effort. Cheers.

If you can't tell the difference between FX and FX3 you might be playing in normal mode which mimics the physics of FX3. Set a table to realistic physics and it's a whole new ball game... so to speak. I am actually going to demonstrate this in my Xena and Pacific Rim table guides because both tables have very anemic left orbit shots if you're playing in normal physics but the ball rolls straight up the ramps smooth as can be with realistic physics and the ball almost never gets rejected from the ramp. Pinball FX can mimic FX3's physics; but FX3 can't mimic FX's physics and I can notice an immediate and very welcome change to the ball movement when I use realistic physics.

I have started to warm up to the Williams tables. I have been practicing TNG and Bride of Pinbot to review those tables and I have for more respect for their design through that experience.

Overall, I actually love the Williams tables. I just love the feel of them and the way they respond. I have them on Pinball Arcade as well as Pinball FX.

I just reinstalled the game again today. I noticed a large uptick in views on Pinball FX and looked at the steam page and there is a ton of stuff to talk about and I will probably be done editing that video tomorrow. I wound up grabbing a bunch of tables I didn't own because of the current sale so I'm planning on working on videos for the individual tables. I stream so sometimes I need to clear hard drive space, I believe Starfield forced me to uninstall Pinball FX for space but I don't currently have any 100gb+ games installed right now so I had room to come back to the pinball.

Like I've just accepted that I can't transfer purchases and am just gonna buy the fx3 tables from other packs on the new game.

I am elated that they are doing Deep Space Nine being my favorite series. I really couldn't care less about the kelvin timeline or Discovery. That being said I expect to enjoy the pinball tables far more than I do Disc or Kelvinverse which is how I feel about certain Star Wars tables.

I'm not entirely sure about this but I think ball velocity might be tied to framerate in some fashion, I believe this is the reason the ball gets stuck in Duke Nukem (PinballM) and I have noticed some complaints about minor lag issues so it's not in your head. I don't know about the volume but I believer there is a way to set a custom camera angle on each table when you have chosen a table but before you start a game. I just went and checked and in the lower right corner you should see a list of commands, on Keyboard the button for manual camera is "Y" it is most likely different with a controller.

@@JeffersonRedeyesgood to know I’m not mad 😂 to be honest I’ve only played a couple of games so far. I’m playing on a series x and other than the few niggles it’s a good upgrade at least visually over fx3

Don't make me come over there!

I plan on doing a more in depth cost analysis of the tables in the near future. Whenever I can keep myself from spending all day playing Pinball M or the new FX Star Trek.

nope, check the release dates, Pinball FX is newer than FX3. There is also a Pinball M that just came out.

Thanks so much for the heads up… I realized this and in getting started I’m a sucker for Monster Mash since a local place has a working machine. Clearly I see and remember many of these machines and like the fantastic ones ❤

You're fair warning prompted me to buy the table, I got it on a discount because I had bought something else like Jurassic park and they were part of a pack deal. I only played a little if the Indy table since I'm still working on reviewing other tables and since I started streaming Marvel's Midnight Suns all of the related character tables suddenly moved up in priority. Since the game focuses on iron man, dr strange, spiderman, venom, deadpool, Blade and so many other characters that actually have Pinball FX tables it's just a really good time for me to spend more time checking them out since I'm already geeking out on a really good marvel story/game. Something about the table design for Indiana Jones immediately irritated me but in general I enjoyed the couple of games I played on it so far.

no, my game starts up pretty quickly

@@JeffersonRedeyes well that’s weird I just started playing today and everytime I start the game I have to wait for it to sync data and it’s takes forever. I literally prepped and cooked dinner for my family and it was still syncing lol

@@zachcook1185 On PC? Or more specifically PC Steam or Epic?

@@zachcook1185 I found this thread where they are talking about long load times and specifically synch issues but I haven't seen any kind of solution so far www.reddit.com/r/PinballFX3/comments/17x4frz/load_times_for_fx_are_too_damn_high/

@@JeffersonRedeyes yeah was just reading those comments I think I’ll reach out to the company and see why there isn’t a fix happening if it’s happening to enough people then I’d think it’s a big issue I mean I was pretty excited to play I even bought some extra tables before the game was even finished downloading and then went to play and after waiting so long for it to sync I instantly wanted my money back for the dlc I purchased

I don't know how it works on console but on PC the base game is free and there are some free tables and there are daily and weekly challenges where you can play tables you don't own but other than that you have to buy the individual tables or collection of tables. On PC they cycle through table discounts so right now the Garfield and My Little Pony tables are $2 and next week or month it should be 2 different tables on sale, not sure if that applies to consoles.

I felt like I had to address the expense complaint but the more I think about it the harder it is to justify complaining. The tables cycle through sales and were recently on 66% discount so most of the tables ranged from about $2 to $4 and with some bundles $4 got you a set of tables. It was Bride of Pinbot who reminded me of the real math. It cost 1 quarter to play and full price on steam it's $5.50 which equates to 21 plays on the real life table. So for $5.50 you get the table, the enhanced visuals and unlimited play. Given that it costs a dollar per play for new pinball tables even the most expensive original tables on Pinball FX are a bargain at full price because that $15 only equates to 15 plays on the arcade machines whereas that $15 grants the player unlimited access in Pinball FX. The in-game currency is still basically a scam though

They did, on Steam, through the Legacy Bundles.

@@pinballwiz45bShould've offered that deal everywhere. Like I said, Steam gets more sales than console.

@@impoopnrightnow906 Consoles don't have the same storefront rules as Steam, regarding bundles. They can't set them up and have it work the same way.

@@pinballwiz45bCool story. I've heard all their excuses, I don't need to hear anymore, thanks.

"and don’t understand the video game industry is more expensive and micro transactions based now" Why would I find it any more acceptable because all of the scumbag companies are doing it? I won't play Blizzard games specifically because their games are getting objectively worse at the same time they're getting more expensive. Some of my favorite games this year have cost under $20 and have no live service model or microtransactions so please don't try to pretend these practices should be expected or accepted. Know why there isn't a subscription service in Pinball M? Because it was always a terrible idea and it upsets the customer base. For the love of the elder gods Silent Hill Ascension has a battlepass and that's barely even a game. Wanna know how I know people hated the coin subscription service? Because if it was successful they would have put it in their new game but it wasn't, it was offensive and not worth the negative impact it would have on the fanbase. What better way to tell your customers exactly how much you hate them by offering less for more?

@@JeffersonRedeyes a subscription based model fits a arcade style game 10x better than multiple dlcs, (not to mention you can still buy the dlcs alone and they go on sale all the time) I would rather spend $20 every month or so for every map and then just not pay for it when I don’t play the game for long periods, buy the maps I really like and don’t complain about such trivial things?

@@MOFAZRE I broke down the cost of subscription vs the cost of just outright buying the tables you like in the video and the subscription is a substantially worse deal. "I would rather spend $20 every month or so for every map and then just not pay for it when I don’t play the game" So for that same $20 you can buy at least 12 tables on sale right now and never have to pay to play those 12 tables ever again. Lets say you only paid for 4 months of the subscription, that's $80 or roughly 48 tables or more because some of the tables are under $2 as I type this. So you're going to tell me that spending $80 for 4 months of play is somehow a better value than outright purchasing more than half the tables and being able to play them as much as you want whenever you want???? Do the math, there are currently 4 tables not on sale totaling $35, subtract that from the ADD ALL DLC option of $183 and you know all of the other tables cost a combined price of $147, subtract 4 months of subscription which is $80 and you are left with just $67 to complete your collection excepting brand new tables. What else costs roughly $60? 3 more months of subscriptions. For the same price as 8 months of subscription you could own every single table that came out before the last update RIGHT NOW and play them as often as you want or you can pay that exact same amount and own nothing at all. Don't pretend this is a good value.

@@JeffersonRedeyes right on, i agree.

​@MOFAZRE Subscription is bad. This is because the game is never really yours. It's rented. Better to buy the table outright. Then it's yours for keeps

Pinball FX seems to have very frequent sales, there were just two back to back. Nov 22nd every table was on sale 66%, Dec 6th almost every table except the brand new ones were something like 75% off and they have a habit of rotating sales on random tables and packs on Steam every month or so, so at least so it's worth it to be patient.

@@JeffersonRedeyes, thanks much, seems I just missed these sales windows. I just found out about the "new" FX version. Thanks for this video. I'm surprised of myself how much I like this. I was never into real pinballs in the arcades. Always thought they were lame compared with videogames.

@@FrogSpl4sh I am slowly releasing table reviews and one day I'll organize my channel and get all of the pinball stuff into the dedicated playlist. I'm kind of doing a lot with PalWorld at the moment but the Pinball Stuff will continue until I have reviewed every table in FX, FX3 and Pinball M because I love exploring all of these different tables. One of the planned videos is going to be talking about someone who keeps popping up in my table reviews named Kuddly Dragon who is another streamer I know who never played pinball before I got him the Dead by Daylight table for his birthday. He keeps beating my scores and he's making his own video about how he likes pinball way more than he ever expected and he really doesn't do scripted video content, he just really wants to talk about pinball and he has been introducing his friends to pinball with much the same reaction. One of the videos I am currently editing about the price of the tables from a value perspective and at the end of that one I also discuss what I see as a barely tapped market of potential players in his age group who grew up while pinball was practically dead.

Pinball FX is easily the best looking Pinball game outside of Demon's Tilt and Zenotilt and Pinball Wicked with the major problem for every other game I mentioned being that they are all single table games (Wicked will have more tables but there is just the 1 for now). I tried playing Pinball Arcade but I hate the menus and UI in that game and it runs at about 1/5th the speed it should. I was going to try to turn off V-synch which was what was screwing with Pinball FX before but wouldn't you know it, the UI is so bad I couldn't even find the graphics options. Like it or not Pinball FX/M are the current top of the line in virtual pinball. The problems I had with Pinball Arcade are probably the reason Williams yanked it's tables from there to put into FX.

I'm 45 dumbass. I grew up with GI Joe, He Man and Transformers and yes I grew up watching Garfield too. I hate Garfield because all he is anymore is crass soulless marketing gimmick designed by Jim Davis by his own admission only to sell plushies unlike Calvin and Hobbs who were designed to be Calvin and Hobbs because Bill Waterson never once considered ruining the integrity of his work by turning it into merch and that's why his comic still holds up while Garfield Minus Garfield is somehow better that Garfield with Garfield and all they do it erase the main character from the original panels because Garfield is such a one note character he doesn't even need to exist in his own comic. 'As Davis himself stated in a 1982 interview with the Washington Post, Garfield was nothing more than “a conscious effort to come up with a good, marketable character.” ' 'With the character and his personality more or less set, Davis came up with, as Chris Suellentrop from Slate so eloquently put it, “a stable of recurring, repetitive jokes for the cat”, that he could recycle endlessly, allowing him to churn out Garfield comics with as little effort as possible, which is amazingly fitting if you think about it." www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2018/08/when-a-marketer-invents-a-comic-the-story-of-garfield/ I love that shit as a kid, I had all the Garfield full color books, I watched Garfield and Friends, I watched all the holiday specials and not a damn bit of that personality or backstory made it into the pinball table or the shitty kart racing games. I hate Garfield BECAUSE I GREW THE FUCK UP and realized Garfield exists only as a marketing tool to shill garbage to children, you absolute doorknob. Clearly you never grew up because you're upset that someone doesn't like the same shit you do even though the rest of the world has figured it out it was never anything more that a soulless marketing tool and moved on with their lives but with that being said I'd play the hell out of a Dora the Explora table or Lazy Town or Blues Clues or Spongebob if it was anywhere near as good as the my Little Pony table because that table is really fun while the Garfield table is boring, poorly laid out and confusing because all of the lights blink literally all of the time instead of when the lanes are active.

Unreal 4. I imagine they'll want to leap to Unreal 5 at some point, but not now. Minigolf Galaxy, a Zen indie title, runs on Unreal 5.

PinballWiz, I look it up and just see it's running on Unreal Engine 5 for the update. Very conflicting information when I looked it up again. I'll take your word for it that only one table runs on UE5. @@pinballwiz45b