Pink Letter: who will win Winterfell in the Game of Thrones books?

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Who wrote the Pink Letter? Is Stannis dead? Who wins the battle for Winterfell? Did Mance write the Pink Letter? Did Stannis write the Pink Letter? Or Melisandre, Barbrey Dustin, Ramsay?
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0:00 Pink Letter
2:28 Night Lamp
5:47 Letters
8:37 Mance
11:31 Stannis
14:00 Melisandre
15:08 Barbrey
15:55 Conclusion

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@AltShiftX
@AltShiftX 4 жыл бұрын
Who do you think wrote the Pink Letter? Check out the ASOIAF books on Audible: www.audible.com/asx
@thefancasthub6862
@thefancasthub6862 4 жыл бұрын
@Alt Shift X Obviously Hot Pie.
@tedbreuer6927
@tedbreuer6927 4 жыл бұрын
And still.... you know nothing Alt Shift.
@rogueprince1341
@rogueprince1341 4 жыл бұрын
Mance sent the letter.
@solgnaleb
@solgnaleb 4 жыл бұрын
Lord Manderly was my first pick
@BenMedia7
@BenMedia7 4 жыл бұрын
Either Mance or Ramsay
@ClaireYunFarronXIII
@ClaireYunFarronXIII 4 жыл бұрын
My Theory: George R. R. Martin wrote it.
@redblueproductions9739
@redblueproductions9739 4 жыл бұрын
Sir Twenty Goodman wrote it.
@joeykijuancepeda4078
@joeykijuancepeda4078 4 жыл бұрын
Lightning Farron damn it! It all makes sense now......
@galymzhankyrykbaev2976
@galymzhankyrykbaev2976 4 жыл бұрын
i liked this comment before it got 1 000
@ClaireYunFarronXIII
@ClaireYunFarronXIII 4 жыл бұрын
@@redblueproductions9739 LOL. 😂
@kseriousr
@kseriousr 4 жыл бұрын
@@redblueproductions9739 House HalfTruth agrees.
@danielhiguita5511
@danielhiguita5511 4 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile Patch Face: "yeah, everything is coming together"
@drowningin
@drowningin 4 жыл бұрын
I know oh OH oh oh
@wisemankugelmemicus1701
@wisemankugelmemicus1701 4 жыл бұрын
Patch Face VS Moon Boy is the real story of ASOIAF
@zetsubanned4308
@zetsubanned4308 4 жыл бұрын
@@wisemankugelmemicus1701 I want these JoJo stands to fight.
@Grandmaster-Kush
@Grandmaster-Kush 4 жыл бұрын
The shadows are coming to dance mylord, dance mylord dance mylord, I know, oh oh oh!
@Jinisinsane
@Jinisinsane 4 жыл бұрын
Hodor.
@dogman6687
@dogman6687 3 жыл бұрын
I just watched a 20 minute video about how a letter signed by Ramsey was probably sent by Ramsey.... and I loved every second of it
@dustingaethje1332
@dustingaethje1332 Жыл бұрын
The chances of that are very low in my opinion
@user-kq5ci7ol8o
@user-kq5ci7ol8o Жыл бұрын
@@dustingaethje1332 IMO it's either Ramsay (The whole thing about the wildlings was maybe just to further anger Jon to do something stupid cause he knows how honorable he is, that or he just wanted to torture them, cause you know, he's Ramsay, and Ramsay gotta Ramsay), someone in the watch testing Jon (Less likely, but maybe they saw his loyalty swaying and thought to test him, which he failed), or Mance (Knowing how honorable Jon is, and how the watch works, maybe he wanted Jon to betray the watch's code causing them to kill Jon and keep the wildlings from participating in the war as a result)
@Davide-kd2cm
@Davide-kd2cm Жыл бұрын
​@@user-kq5ci7ol8o The bit about Val and Mance's son may also be Ramsay reasoning as a Westerosi and supposing that the Wildlings would act like e.g. the Northmen with the Starks, as in even if they are Jon's allies and dangerously south of the Wall they won't dare raise against him and the Bolton regime once he gets their prince and "princess" hostage (together with their king which he supposedly holds already), I doubt the letter comes from someone in the Watch because even if they somehow knew about Mance surviving how the hell would they know about Reek?
@funkyyukiedits
@funkyyukiedits Жыл бұрын
its about the journey not the destination
@TheRubberMatch
@TheRubberMatch Жыл бұрын
@@dustingaethje1332 as a UFC fan your name and avatar made me crack up 😂😂😂
@mn-ru4li
@mn-ru4li 4 жыл бұрын
It wasn't Jon Snow. There's no reference to "she's my queen" and "I don't want it."
@thorin2152
@thorin2152 3 жыл бұрын
Jon - i nEveR aSkEd fOr iT
@nunyabiznes33
@nunyabiznes33 3 жыл бұрын
@@thorin2152 Jon - aY duNnO wHAt elsE tO sAy
@raouflamri1172
@raouflamri1172 3 жыл бұрын
@@nunyabiznes33 John- SaYiNg NotHiNg snow
@daith_izumi
@daith_izumi 2 жыл бұрын
@@thorin2152 Jon -i NeVeR wAnTeD iT
@admiralmeow3161
@admiralmeow3161 Жыл бұрын
jon snow also knows nothing
@bdfornies
@bdfornies 4 жыл бұрын
This contrasts so much with the show's simplicity and rushed stupidity
@belisarius6949
@belisarius6949 4 жыл бұрын
Thats why D&D wrote the pink letter
@djordjedangubic7270
@djordjedangubic7270 4 жыл бұрын
thats true show is like summary of whole story ( books ). After they run out book material show quality went down and become really predictable.
@bdfornies
@bdfornies 4 жыл бұрын
@@belisarius6949 lmaoooo
@Hellichibi
@Hellichibi 4 жыл бұрын
@@djordjedangubic7270 That moment someone forgets that George said the show's last season went more or less how his book was going to go. Lmao. Books are usually better, but don't dump on the show without the grain of salt that it's basically how George envisioned it would go.
@jordantalbot6344
@jordantalbot6344 4 жыл бұрын
Xenosas yeah, but George will actually build it up better and not rushed it. I had zero problems with what happened in season 8, but the way it was executed, was really rushed and sloppy.
@jeffralston1
@jeffralston1 4 жыл бұрын
"Fans have had a lot of time to overthink it." A truer statement was never made.
@carlosalegria4776
@carlosalegria4776 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe if the fat man actually finished his books instead of watching football games, fans wouldn't have to do that
@theguardianslair529
@theguardianslair529 2 жыл бұрын
Except when Stannis claimed to be the rightful king of Westeros
@sethp26
@sethp26 Жыл бұрын
Yup.
@juliancain3872
@juliancain3872 Жыл бұрын
@@theguardianslair529 Depends
@theguardianslair529
@theguardianslair529 Жыл бұрын
@@juliancain3872 no, he is the rightful heir. Any man who denies that is my foe
@georgeianta2088
@georgeianta2088 4 жыл бұрын
In the books Stannis is about to replay his greatest tactical victory, with even greater success I bet. During the first Greyjoy Rebellion he had trapped the entire Iron Fleet in a straight between 2 rocks and smashed it to bits and now he's about to trap the Frey army within a thin strip of land between 2 frozen lakes poked full of holes. Keep in mind his army is enduring a full fledged Canadian winter, literally balls deep in snow, but he refuses to give up his tactical position in the abandoned village. In the show Stannis gets defeated by 2 inches of snow and 20 goodmen...
@ragnar8771
@ragnar8771 3 жыл бұрын
i hope so, manderly knights also can help him, but if mance sent the letter, that means stannis is dead, or mance and stannis are ploting so jon can bring reinforces and claim the north under his name
@lykastannis7662
@lykastannis7662 3 жыл бұрын
@@ragnar8771 I have no idea why everyone thinks Mance Rayder wrote it. King Stannis spent time with wildings. He knows how they talk. He has the motivation. He has the Dreadfort maester. Why would GRRM go out of his way to write an entire chapter about Stannis and Theon (the only character in the books to take Winterfell) and the Dreadfort Maester? Literally the only thing that makes me think it isn't Stannis is that detail about ravens flying through castles (apparently it can't reach Castle Black from Stannis' camp and that Stannis has no idea that Mance is in Winterfell. Both of these could easily be solved off page. Maybe Theon speaks of the man who helped him and Jeyne escape who had an amulet. Stannis may suspect this to be Mance since he knows much about him. Or he could have known Melisandre and Jon tricked him all along. No way would GRRM decimate a four book long plot because a bird couldn't reach a Castle. Plus Winterfell no longer has any POV characters. I can't see a Bolton win here even if Stannis dies. If those two things are somehow solved, Stannis or someone from his camp checks all the boxes for the pink letter's author. Mance Rayder doesn't have the tools, knowledge, or motivation. Three things not so easy to come by and three things Stannis has. I'm certain Mance will play a big role somehow though. GRRM went out of his way to not kill him. You might even call it plot armour. What is your main reason for thinking Mance wrote it? If so, what is your main reason for thinking Stannis will lose? I can't see it going any other way than a Baratheon victory. Realistically and narratively he must win. The show writers even went out of their way for him to lose. There is no satisfying or even well written way his defeat could play out. There are plenty of great ways he could die after taking Winterfell.
@emg7882
@emg7882 3 жыл бұрын
If jon brings free folk to the south mance can do two things= 1- try to take winterfell ( he would have giants to break the gates) and go north to take the wall( would be easy) 2- go directly to the wall and let the free folk cross to make a great army and take all the north.
@lykastannis7662
@lykastannis7662 3 жыл бұрын
@@emg7882 So IF Jon literally comes back from the dead, he will for some reason go south? Why? He died trying to go south. Dare I say his death was justice by law. He broke his vows several times and payed the price thousands before him did. Even if Jon does bring the wildlings south. You think Mance Rayder will want to take Winterfell? Or the entire North? and Jon will help him!??!!? Have you even read the books man? It sounds like you are trying so hard to prevent King Stannis from taking Winterfell. GRRM doesn't share plots. That plot belongs to Stannis. If Jon Snow ever comes back, he will stay at Castle Black or go even nore North. The only reason he should come back is if he is Azor Ahai reborn. If he isn't he should stay dead. If he is his plot will be directly linked to the Long Night and the Others. Not stealing Stannis' plot if taking Winterfell which suits Stannis more and is more realistic. If Stannis can't take Winterfell no one can. Even Daenerys' dragons would freeze before reaching the Castle.
@sebastianpijov8708
@sebastianpijov8708 3 жыл бұрын
@@lykastannis7662 Neither do I. A major plot point in the books is that Mance probably does have the Horn of Winter but refuses to use it, and was instead bringing it South to keep the walkers from obtaining it. Mance needs the Wall up, and he needs a wildling sympathiser to man it, otherwise the wildlings can't marsh south by the time the wall falls. Jon's death threatens his plans, and Mance is too pragmatic to kill Jon for revenge.
@ryannightingale2457
@ryannightingale2457 2 жыл бұрын
Stannis lighting a false beacon seems symbolic to me because he is a false flame himself. A false fiery hero a false beacon.
@Okcucumber
@Okcucumber Жыл бұрын
good one!
@gothicgothic2839
@gothicgothic2839 8 ай бұрын
Stannis is a hero. Maybe not Azor Ahai, maybe he will die, but he is one of the most heroic person in the books.
@Pablonehm
@Pablonehm 5 ай бұрын
@@gothicgothic2839 of course he will die, and then will be reborn as he is Azor Ahai
@VoidTower_
@VoidTower_ 2 ай бұрын
The blue eyed king with a red glowing sword who has no shadow
@VictordeAndrade1
@VictordeAndrade1 4 жыл бұрын
this has more plot density and complexity than the whole season 8
@shawn6669
@shawn6669 4 жыл бұрын
Umm..than seasons 5,6, 7 AND 8, actually.
@dragosmic4903
@dragosmic4903 4 жыл бұрын
@@shawn6669 I remember season 5 being pretty good and 6 being alright, were they actually that bad?
@karldilkington8802
@karldilkington8802 4 жыл бұрын
@@dragosmic4903 season 5 was good because at the end of season 5 jon dies and daenerys flies away on drogon so it was synced with the final book it all went downhill with season 6.
@astrojeet
@astrojeet 4 жыл бұрын
@@karldilkington8802 There were many other things wrong with season 5.
@karldilkington8802
@karldilkington8802 4 жыл бұрын
@@astrojeet Stannis dying you mean? Yeah that was stupid see if how he's still alive in the books and is in just as bad a position as the Boltons who are trapped in winterfell due to a snowstorm.
@Shadibadi
@Shadibadi 4 жыл бұрын
Finally, back to the books baby.
@pramitbanerjee
@pramitbanerjee 4 жыл бұрын
have the new books finally been published?
@Shadibadi
@Shadibadi 4 жыл бұрын
pramitbanerjee naw, George said we’re getting the next book soon but I wouldn’t count on it
@kimberleymorris8052
@kimberleymorris8052 4 жыл бұрын
No!! I don’t think they ever will be published
@dr.embersfield1551
@dr.embersfield1551 4 жыл бұрын
@@kimberleymorris8052 Don't be like that.
@MrBark1969
@MrBark1969 4 жыл бұрын
@@dr.embersfield1551 it's true. The last one came out in 2011 ffs
@gilgamesh3328
@gilgamesh3328 3 жыл бұрын
Stannis's battle must be a reflection of Alexander Nevsky's famous 'Battle on the Ice,' in 1242, when he defeated the Crusaders by drawing them onto a frozen lake. GRRM really does love his history, doesn't he?
@EndOfSmallSanctuary97
@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 2 жыл бұрын
Good observation. Martin has created many scenes directly inspired by medieval history. This might be another example.
@britfox7766
@britfox7766 2 жыл бұрын
Or Napoleon's similar maneuver with cannons in his war with Russia.
@softdrink-0
@softdrink-0 2 жыл бұрын
@@britfox7766 oh boy
@britfox7766
@britfox7766 2 жыл бұрын
@@softdrink-0 beg pardon?
@gregoryludkovsky5185
@gregoryludkovsky5185 2 жыл бұрын
big Russian MYTH!
@absolutemollusk
@absolutemollusk 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like the lack of description about the letter could just be a way of showing how furious Ramsay is, and how he's unraveling psychologically. He's normally very theatrical and precise with his blood-ink and tightly rolled letters, but this letter was written in a hurry.
@Isuream6331
@Isuream6331 5 ай бұрын
3 years ago, I know, but the idea of Ramsay mentally unraveling is funny to me. Like, how could he POSSIBLY get MORE crazy?
@andorea11
@andorea11 5 ай бұрын
​@@Isuream6331and why tho, he didn't lose Arya or Sansa, just his false Stark and also Theon, and call me crazy but i don't thing he cares that much about him
@Isuream6331
@Isuream6331 5 ай бұрын
@@andorea11 He named Theon Reek due to his strange attachment to the old Reek, which is why he is bothered there. As for fake Arya, she is his ticket to being Lord of Winterfell, which he uses as a sign of his legitimacy. Without her, he is afraid he won’t be seen as legitimate anymore
@TheKrostiman
@TheKrostiman 4 жыл бұрын
In the Books Stannis shows a lot more awareness about knowing about people's thoughts and motivations than you give him credit for and he makes a lot of dry jokes about folks. But yeah it was probably Mance.
@santiagogarciazapata7422
@santiagogarciazapata7422 4 жыл бұрын
Its sad to know Stannis fate, my favorite character from the books, the true King!
@belisarius6949
@belisarius6949 4 жыл бұрын
@@santiagogarciazapata7422 Stannis is well and alive.
@josharntt
@josharntt 4 жыл бұрын
@@santiagogarciazapata7422 I don't trust anything in the show after season 5, yeah they might have the "same plot points" but I doubt they'll happen in the same way.
@tabulldog2743
@tabulldog2743 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah he's got more of a modern sense of humor compared to everyone else in the series- more one-liners, deadpan snarking to everyone, while everyone else thinks jesters are funny.
@hyypio764
@hyypio764 4 жыл бұрын
He was even the one who initiated the investigation into Joffrey's parentage. And we saw that he's certainly not above subterfuge when he assassinated Renly.
@CroseBuhrn
@CroseBuhrn 4 жыл бұрын
Oh, Stannis. He was the only king we ever wanted. But somebody took him away from us, and nothing in the final 3 seasons could fill the hole he left behind.
@belisarius6949
@belisarius6949 4 жыл бұрын
Shush. We got the books, made by someone who actually gives a fuck about the lore.
@Wolfeson28
@Wolfeson28 4 жыл бұрын
Ironic paraphrasing of the brother who actually never liked Stannis.
@vitussvit
@vitussvit 4 жыл бұрын
It was D'n'D who left the hole in the plot.
@dylanchouinard6141
@dylanchouinard6141 4 жыл бұрын
Brogan Brainstorm He was the king YOU wanted. Fire and Blood!
@molonlabe820
@molonlabe820 4 жыл бұрын
@@dylanchouinard6141 eh, tyrants and brother fuckers. Stannis had the legitimate claim.
@Amazatastic
@Amazatastic 4 жыл бұрын
"Stannis has the personality of a lobster" - Loras
@csillakaszas7285
@csillakaszas7285 4 жыл бұрын
lobster has left the chat
@MRJTD99
@MRJTD99 4 жыл бұрын
- Loras "Lobster" Tyrell
@gfilmer7150
@gfilmer7150 3 жыл бұрын
Loras "Got Hot Oil Poured On Him" Tyrell
@mysteryjunkie9808
@mysteryjunkie9808 2 жыл бұрын
But he fights like a Lion
@EndOfSmallSanctuary97
@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 2 жыл бұрын
Ironic considering that Loras is one of the most bland and forgettable characters in the series whereas Stannis is a legend.
@thefilmeffect6089
@thefilmeffect6089 4 жыл бұрын
I love Wyman Manderly! That dude is a straight savage! He not only cooks up some Frey pie and serves it to everyone at Winterfell, but he eats multiple slices himself and savors every bite.
@razbuten
@razbuten 4 жыл бұрын
I mostly just hope that the readers win. We really could use it right now.
@MRJTD99
@MRJTD99 4 жыл бұрын
Wait. I know you.
@cuttlefish1801
@cuttlefish1801 4 жыл бұрын
we’ve already won lmao
@jinxedsphinx3600
@jinxedsphinx3600 3 жыл бұрын
@@MRJTD99 You have committed crimes against Skyrim and her people. What say you in your defense?
@internetvictim4147
@internetvictim4147 3 жыл бұрын
@@jinxedsphinx3600 you caught me. I'll pay off my bounty (1 gold)
@shinobifirecracker6671
@shinobifirecracker6671 3 жыл бұрын
Why? What was so wrong with the readers in February 2020? Boohoooooooo
@shmooveyea
@shmooveyea 4 жыл бұрын
Oh gosh, 9 years!? He wrote the first three in the same time span... Depressing
@jedisentinel4879
@jedisentinel4879 4 жыл бұрын
He said he was having trouble mending all the numerous stories together for the ending
@Chris_Davis_music
@Chris_Davis_music 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah not to mention all the episodes he wrote as well as the spinoff books. We should send life coaches and motivational speakers to GRRM's home.
@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285
@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285 4 жыл бұрын
@@jedisentinel4879 it's almost like the books needed to focus more on key points instead of ballooning out of control...
@alphagamer9505
@alphagamer9505 4 жыл бұрын
but the first 3 originally was going to be the first book,so everything was planned from the beginning,feast and dance werent planned
@yetigriff
@yetigriff 4 жыл бұрын
@@Chris_Davis_music we should send David Goggins
@WorkingClassZombie
@WorkingClassZombie 4 жыл бұрын
Remember when Game of Thrones used to be good? The North remembers.
@theemperorofmemekindpurger7751
@theemperorofmemekindpurger7751 4 жыл бұрын
This is not GoT btw
@wrmorris2
@wrmorris2 3 жыл бұрын
still is .. as game of thrones is the 1ST book in " a song of fire and ice " still i felt cheated in season 8... may the old gods give us a great final few books... wont hold my breath ...yet .... IF the books are great as the ones before were... greeatest come back ever... and will be for us book readers only.. rest will just be thoses who dont truly know.... soryy 4 ramble its is know me with a little whiskey and 7 up and a bowl or two to be honest... i might talk a little shit...
@gfilmer7150
@gfilmer7150 3 жыл бұрын
When people read about The Long Night centuries later, they'll read about Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryen's heroic efforts in the war. But everyone will forget about Stannis Baratheon, the man who got people to look Beyond-The-Wall and led the army of the living. Most of Westeros will forget his actions... but The North Remembers...
@pyramidion5911
@pyramidion5911 Жыл бұрын
I 'member
@Luis-by7li
@Luis-by7li 4 жыл бұрын
It’s so refreshing to know that in the book everything makes sense and in the show it’s just a dream
@mrj4082
@mrj4082 9 ай бұрын
If the books ever finish the show will only be known as fan fiction. Not just fan fiction but bad fiction, very bad
@jmeds94
@jmeds94 5 ай бұрын
@@mrj4082 Would you have rather the show did everything the way Martin intends and have it spoil the books before they come out?
@andorea11
@andorea11 5 ай бұрын
​@@jmeds94yes
@bozerkralj
@bozerkralj 5 ай бұрын
Its not likely that books will ever be released. I hope I am wrong but its unlikely @@jmeds94
@kentknightofcaelin4537
@kentknightofcaelin4537 5 ай бұрын
​@@jmeds94 hot take, but they shouldn't have made the show until the books were close to finish.
@fieldadmiralspartanryseb-8293
@fieldadmiralspartanryseb-8293 4 жыл бұрын
Oh wow. You just made me care about game of thrones again lol. Here's to hoping the last two books are ever released...
@UAPReportingCenter
@UAPReportingCenter 4 жыл бұрын
Me too!!! I've been so got depressed since season 7 and 8. This reignites my hope and passion for TWOW.
@fieldadmiralspartanryseb-8293
@fieldadmiralspartanryseb-8293 4 жыл бұрын
@@UAPReportingCenter I really have missed the game of thrones a lot...
@dr.embersfield1551
@dr.embersfield1551 4 жыл бұрын
I have a good hunch that it's gonna happen the second half of this year. I don't know... I never had this feeling in the last 9 years, but now... now I do.
@jsb1585
@jsb1585 4 жыл бұрын
I read the pre-released chapters for Winds of Winter recently, and it has made me so impatient for the other books to be released. I didn't start to read the books until we were 5, maybe 6 seasons deep, but now that I've finished them all, I understand why you poor book readers are so impatient hahaha
@Bleatmop
@Bleatmop 4 жыл бұрын
Almost for me. The book series is almost certainly going to be left unfinished, unless Martin somehow lives to 110. It's such a great series and the author just refuses to write any more of the stuff we want. Side stories and gap fillers are great but 9 years and still no release date just kills the series for me. Even if The Winds of Winter comes out tomorrow I'm still not picking it up until we have a book 7 release date with a confirmation that book 7 is the last in the series, because Martin could easily say he needs another 3 books to wrap everything up.
@jay-t1030
@jay-t1030 4 жыл бұрын
I hope Stannis defeat the Boltons in the books, the show writers did him dirty.
@bigassboy9343
@bigassboy9343 4 жыл бұрын
I don't care, I just don't want him to burn Shireen.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 4 жыл бұрын
@@bigassboy9343 Why did they do that to us? "She was good, and she was kind, and you killed her."
@Steelion69
@Steelion69 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigassboy9343 I don't think Stannis will burn Shireen, but I do believe Melisandre will do to resurrect Jon. Which would fit in with the books and all, and if the Mannis really is alive, it'd probably create conflict between the two (though more resent-wise rather than Stannis wanting to cut Jon's head off, though it's likely Jon will give Mel the chop as retribution, and giving her a last POV) maybe even result in Stannis damning Rhllor (which would be a neat rhyme of poetry with him damning the Seven Gods)
@upsyndrome223
@upsyndrome223 3 жыл бұрын
Same, every time I rewatch the show stannis’ death depresses me lol I want him to beat the Bolton’s, take the North, and focus on the white walkers like he’s supposed to
@gfilmer7150
@gfilmer7150 3 жыл бұрын
@@upsyndrome223 I never watch anything past Season 4
@not_averge
@not_averge 4 ай бұрын
"till the next book comes out" When the sun sets in the east and rises in the west...
@stuartsviews1565
@stuartsviews1565 3 жыл бұрын
GRRM loves history. One of the most famous battles in history is the "battle of the ice" where Nevsky defeated the Crusaders by tempting them onto the ice with heavy cavalry. They fell through, were destroyed, and Slavic Europe remained Orthodox. Stannis is the best general in Westeros and the legitimate King, while Ramsey Bolton is an impetuous vicious idiot. We will be seeing more of Stannis. It is a shame that the tv show was run by idiots, as a quick look at Eisensteins movie would show the potential of the battle of the ice.
@8Hshan
@8Hshan Жыл бұрын
One nitpick I just can't let go - EASTERN Slavic Europe, which is by far not all of it, I can tell you that as a Pole. And there are Czechs, Slovaks, Sorbs (not Serbs!), Croatians, and Slovenians too on the non-orthodox side. Eastern Slavs aren't any more (or less) Slavic than Western or Southern ones. Edit: rearranged the listing, as it might have looked slightly misleading
@milosav7314
@milosav7314 Жыл бұрын
@@8Hshan sorbs are catholic??
@8Hshan
@8Hshan Жыл бұрын
@@milosav7314 Catholic or protestant, I don't know exactly
@flamandzrumem6053
@flamandzrumem6053 Жыл бұрын
@@8Hshan they are orthodox
@8Hshan
@8Hshan Жыл бұрын
@@flamandzrumem6053 Not Serbs. Sorbs. Totally different Slavs, living mostly in eastern Germany. Edit: I've realised that the way I wrote that before might have been misleading and indeed suggest I meant Serbs, so now it's corrected.
@julie-4549
@julie-4549 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve missed got videos so much😭😭
@Brandonhayhew
@Brandonhayhew 4 жыл бұрын
Afterthe disastrous of season 8
@kindlin
@kindlin 4 жыл бұрын
Do you mean ASOIAF videos? GoT videos.... meh^2.
@CreepsMcPasta
@CreepsMcPasta 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are the only way I can get excited about GoT now :(
@RandomLink455
@RandomLink455 4 жыл бұрын
CreepsMcPasta same
@matthewnaylor9735
@matthewnaylor9735 3 жыл бұрын
What a place to see your face
@calebgarage4254
@calebgarage4254 3 жыл бұрын
WOWOWOWOWOW here I am minding my business watching KZfaq and the MAN himself is in the comments AND he likes GOT like me??!!?!?! *faints*
@burpostockings
@burpostockings 2 жыл бұрын
@@calebgarage4254 lmao he's people just like us. Shits from his ass and sneezes from his nose
@lukasfraley7598
@lukasfraley7598 8 ай бұрын
Oh hey dude. I just finished ADWD and here you are! Hoping you are well:)
@Bassist-Beneath
@Bassist-Beneath 4 жыл бұрын
I think it’s most likely that Mance wrote it at Melisandre’s behest. She knows Stannis is in trouble and that Jon may be the only one who can save him, and she knows that Jon’s destiny is to leave the watch. It still doesn’t explain why Theon is mentioned in the letter though. Although Mance could’ve added the part about Val and the child on his own.
@beezzarro
@beezzarro 2 жыл бұрын
Good idea. Theon might simply be in it to lend believability to the author of the note. Might seem weird if he were never mentioned. He's shown to be pretty attached to reek
@Mymmii
@Mymmii 4 жыл бұрын
"And Jon doesn't know what a Reek is" :D
@frohnatur9806
@frohnatur9806 2 ай бұрын
I chuckled at it too, but it makes sense to put it this way for 2 reasons: 1) The letter calls him MY Reek, implying he is A Reek 2) In the books, Theon is indeed A Reek, because he's not the first. Ramsay had at least one other tortured pet slave he named Reek before
@reginaldfromnigeria5206
@reginaldfromnigeria5206 4 жыл бұрын
I'm suprised you didn't mention how Theon directly quotes the Pink Letter in Theon I of Winds ("He wants his bride back. He wants his Reek.") So that lends credence to it being faked by him and Stannis.
@sealy_99
@sealy_99 4 жыл бұрын
Or Mance, who spent some time with him too.
@EndOfSmallSanctuary97
@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 2 жыл бұрын
Great catch, that definitely adds a lot of legitimacy to the Stannis theory (which I personally subscribe to).
@lw3106
@lw3106 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't fit Stannis's personality. Maybe it was Davos? Is Davos with Stannis now? I don't remember.
@reginaldfromnigeria5206
@reginaldfromnigeria5206 2 жыл бұрын
@@lw3106 Nah, he's in Skagos.
@SuperCosty2010
@SuperCosty2010 2 жыл бұрын
@@lw3106 Davos was sent by Manderly from White Harbor to Skagos to find Rickon. And it wouldn't fit his personality either to fabricate letters such way, leaving aside the fact he can barely read
@onetwothreefourfive12345
@onetwothreefourfive12345 4 жыл бұрын
It would really fit the tone of the story if Stannis wins at Winterfell. It's just too upbeat for The Starks to take it. Far better for a grey character, like Stannis, to have that triumph.
@lanestapp2
@lanestapp2 4 жыл бұрын
He's not grey. He's a flawed man sincerely trying to save the world. He is of the light. Just look at his sword.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 4 жыл бұрын
Frankly it would be amazing if Stannis didn't take Winterfell. He has to die fighting The Others, not the pipsqueak Ramsay.
@onetwothreefourfive12345
@onetwothreefourfive12345 4 жыл бұрын
Lane Stapp he is for sure. He is extremely utilitarian (slightly less so in the books) which makes him cold and makes him ruthless. I agree he is pretty much a good guy but not a nice guy
@noneofyourbeeswax01
@noneofyourbeeswax01 4 жыл бұрын
@@lanestapp2 Looked at his sword. It's a fake - Even blind Maester Aemon could see that!
@lanestapp2
@lanestapp2 4 жыл бұрын
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 He knows its fake too. He uses it as a rallying cause. To help gain people to fight against ice zombies.
@Skillgore
@Skillgore 2 ай бұрын
Year 13 and we still don't know who sent the letter.
@1helluvaguy738
@1helluvaguy738 Ай бұрын
George RR Martin.
@Idontknowy2
@Idontknowy2 Ай бұрын
⁠@@1helluvaguy738I don’t know
@Idontknowy2
@Idontknowy2 Ай бұрын
Watch the video again
@luvmusl2163
@luvmusl2163 Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of stannis using the lake. Also it will come back later with the dead rising and making the night king army larger
@nurdersvw8070
@nurdersvw8070 Жыл бұрын
there is no night king
@luvmusl2163
@luvmusl2163 Жыл бұрын
@@nurdersvw8070 dude.
@eyeballpaul700
@eyeballpaul700 Жыл бұрын
@@luvmusl2163 he's right, the Night king was made up for the show
@luvmusl2163
@luvmusl2163 Жыл бұрын
@@eyeballpaul700 dooooood!
@regalprivate6372
@regalprivate6372 Жыл бұрын
where about its the books show wise before the battle of winterfell ? and there is whitewalkers right ? when will this man finish the book ffs
@jonbaxter2254
@jonbaxter2254 4 жыл бұрын
Ah Stannis... I would have followed you anywhere... my brother.. my captain... my king...
@olgierdvoneverec3554
@olgierdvoneverec3554 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Boromir in the end of FotR :D Our one true king will defeat the Boltons! Can't wait for Roose vs Stannis
@faisalkamal4319
@faisalkamal4319 Жыл бұрын
@@olgierdvoneverec3554 or Stannis vs Ramsay
@jables9229
@jables9229 4 жыл бұрын
The voice Varys heard in the flame, please.
@lasttoparty7570
@lasttoparty7570 4 жыл бұрын
Bloodraven
@weswesyall2827
@weswesyall2827 4 жыл бұрын
@@lasttoparty7570 ahhhhhh plausible!!!
@CottonCandySharks
@CottonCandySharks 4 жыл бұрын
Yes!!
@CottonCandySharks
@CottonCandySharks 4 жыл бұрын
Especially if gods don't exist in this universe, what did he see?
@duganelliott8340
@duganelliott8340 4 жыл бұрын
@@weswesyall2827 I doubt it. Bloodraven has never been shown to have direct influence in Essos.
@averageperson8882
@averageperson8882 3 жыл бұрын
George R R Martin is in a great position where he literally can’t make the ending to the books any worse than the tv series. So even if it sucks people will still view it positively.
@frohnatur9806
@frohnatur9806 2 ай бұрын
Wellll... I think GRRM doesn't intend on finishing the series, because as long as everyone can imagine their own ideal ending, everyone's gonna like the story (with that cool imagined ending, or at least none, which is better than a bad one I guess). So far he's perceived as this genius storyteller, but when the ending is set in stone, some people are bound to be disappointed and his reputation will suffer for it. ...either that or he's having a much harder time tying things up than just letting his imagination flow, because if I remember correctly, he once described his writing process as setting the stage, imagining character's personalities and relationships, and letting everything flow naturally from there. I think it's much harder ending a story that way, than just continuing it. Also, writing this MUST get harder and harder the further the story progresses, because when writing book 1, he could change anything on a whim, leaving him total freedom, with book 2, there was only one book he had to be consistent with. Now it's 5 books he can't change and probably has to check regularly to make sure things fit together. He probably keeps thinking up stuff, checking the previous books for contradictions, and going "Aw hell, that doesn't work!" So yeah, as I see it, the story is over. I'm not one of those claiming not to care anymore, I do, otherwise I probably wouldn't have written this comment on a 4 year old video, but I've stopped actively hoping and wishing for an ending. If we're lucky we'll get Winds of Winter at least... Wouldn't hold my breath
@stephenc.4319
@stephenc.4319 2 жыл бұрын
If Stannis has Manderly on his side and the element of surprise like you say, he'd have as good a chance as possible already to beat the Boltons and wouldn't need a ragtag bunch of wildlings to help him. With 100% surprise and an a hostile army already inside their walls, there wouldn't be much hope for the Boltons in Winterfell.
@stannisbaratheon6725
@stannisbaratheon6725 2 жыл бұрын
Also the best commander in all the seven kingdoms.
@willson1908
@willson1908 Жыл бұрын
Would Roose Bolton fully trust Manderly's claim that Stannis is dead though?
@Isuream6331
@Isuream6331 5 ай бұрын
Don’t forget how nearly all the northern lords are currently gunning for the Boltons right now as well. They are pretty screwed, all things considered
@marcosalmeida3947
@marcosalmeida3947 3 ай бұрын
@@willson1908 Probably not. But he also wouldn't deny it openly. It's possible that the letter was either sent before Roose could talk to Ramsay in private, or Ramsay was too livid about loosing Jayne and Reek to care.
@calebward5007
@calebward5007 4 жыл бұрын
I "kinda forgot" about Game of Thrones S8 until Alt Shift X uploaded this video
@Steve-hk5ds
@Steve-hk5ds 4 жыл бұрын
I want Alt Shift X to do a theory video on when GRRM will finish his book.
@iagocasabiellgonzalez7807
@iagocasabiellgonzalez7807 4 жыл бұрын
That would scare me more than the Forsaken chapter, or Cotter Pike's letter from Hardhome.
@noneofyourbeeswax01
@noneofyourbeeswax01 4 жыл бұрын
Hardly worth posting a video when all it consists of is the one word answer: "Never".
@mymaynee5963
@mymaynee5963 2 жыл бұрын
the book wont come out until he dies probably
@mdraj5655
@mdraj5655 Жыл бұрын
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 this
@ccchhhrrriiisss100
@ccchhhrrriiisss100 4 жыл бұрын
I really hope that Stannis is still alive. He is one of the greatest characters in the books.
@harshagrawal1056
@harshagrawal1056 2 жыл бұрын
He's so smart, the show did him dirty. He's regarded as the best commanders but Dumb&Dumber forgot and turned him into a dus
@MaDMaN_JaCK
@MaDMaN_JaCK 2 жыл бұрын
George is the reason the show's version of him is so popular, they stuck to the source material and the actor pulled it off in full. But when they had no more material for him, they got rid of him. The writers didn't know how to juggle the many characters in ASOIAF like George does.
@daith_izumi
@daith_izumi 2 жыл бұрын
He is. I believe GRRM confirmed it
@MrGeorgeFlorcus
@MrGeorgeFlorcus 6 ай бұрын
He may not be the true hero of the story, but if nothing else, dude deserves to die fighting a White Walker or something; give him the soldier's death Robert never got.
@AzaleaJane
@AzaleaJane 4 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression that Bowen et al. had been plotting Jon's assassination for a while, and had been waiting for a chance. Throughout the books Bowen and others are clearly upset about Jon's actions and the way Jon refuses to explain his actions. The diversion with Wun Wun fighting Ser Patrek, combined with Jon not having his wolf, provided the opportunity. It seems unlikely several of the NW would spontaneously execute Jon in such immediate response to his plan to ride south, especially in the middle of a deadly fight involving a giant.
@zafelrede4884
@zafelrede4884 2 жыл бұрын
How would they know about reek, about abel and the spearwives?
@kushagraagrawal7292
@kushagraagrawal7292 Жыл бұрын
@@zafelrede4884 the assassination probably didnt have anything to do with the pink letter. Bowen simply saw an opportunity and took it
@brownsey1
@brownsey1 Жыл бұрын
Yeah having just completed a reread it looks like Bowen was plotting this for a while. The Pink Letter arriving and the chaos in the yard provided ample opportunity to carry out an assassination. Not saying Bowen and the rest orchestrated that, it was simply opportunistic.
@frohnatur9806
@frohnatur9806 2 ай бұрын
YES! I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned in the video. There's clearly a motive: Getting Jon to break his oath so they can put an end to him and have an excuse
@Dictator1999
@Dictator1999 4 жыл бұрын
All men will kneel before the one true king of Westeros Stannis Baratheon.
@olgierdvoneverec3554
@olgierdvoneverec3554 3 жыл бұрын
Dany, Boltons and the Reach You will bend the kneeeeee!
@faisalkamal4319
@faisalkamal4319 Жыл бұрын
Bow ya shits
@faisalkamal4319
@faisalkamal4319 Жыл бұрын
@@olgierdvoneverec3554 or I will destroy them
@Steelion69
@Steelion69 4 жыл бұрын
Pink Letter: Early Patron Release You: _Accidentally releases it normally_ Non-Patrons: *It's Free Real Estate* Great video though, I'm a Stannis Hypebeast.
@literallynoone5473
@literallynoone5473 4 жыл бұрын
Arms... heavy
@Blastanker
@Blastanker 4 жыл бұрын
You sure it was “accidentally”?
@elliottcoombes
@elliottcoombes 4 жыл бұрын
A man of culture as well I see
@gargarabdullahi2101
@gargarabdullahi2101 4 жыл бұрын
Vomit on his sweater already....
@a1990hussain
@a1990hussain 4 жыл бұрын
Mom's spaghetti
@ravercorum20
@ravercorum20 3 жыл бұрын
"Manipulating Jon isn't something Stannis would do." This reminds me of Stannis's opening scene in book 2 where the Maester is being humiliated by the red priestess and Stannis joins in by making him wear patches jesters crown. The Maester thinks 'You were never one to mock, not before you met her' I'm paraphrasing of course. But it does go to show you that Stannis HAS changed in his ways ever since becoming Azor Ahai (supposedly).
@mirayoquese8608
@mirayoquese8608 Жыл бұрын
Melisandre is the one who puts the jester crown on Cressen and Selyse is the one making the louder jokes. Stannis allows it at first, but he's very uncomfortable and then stops the humilliation.
@Davide-kd2cm
@Davide-kd2cm Жыл бұрын
imo there Stannis is trying hard to fuck up Melisandre's prophecy that Cressen will "betray" him by poisoning her, possibly because he trusts Cressen (or maybe even loves him and doesn't want him to die) but surely also because he's a skeptic and doesn't believe that Melisandre has actual powers, so if he manages to make what she predicted not happen he's proving that her visions are not real or at least not absolute, that's why he tries to have him leave the feast and why he doesn't have him called for it in the first place, mockery certainly isn't a goal or trait of his in the rest of the books
@Kangaroo-Bob
@Kangaroo-Bob 4 жыл бұрын
First 20 seconds: Alt: The show is Crap Me: You have my attention
@PatchesNjose
@PatchesNjose 4 жыл бұрын
I forgot how good these books were. It's a shame they'll never be finished.
@Grewyn7
@Grewyn7 4 жыл бұрын
This. I, like many others, desire them deeply. Though I think GRRM knows this and his ultimate joy steal is not going to be killing characters he made us fall in love with. He'll be killing the whole series.
@MoonV29
@MoonV29 4 жыл бұрын
@@Grewyn7 this is the only way he can pleasure himself. Sex won't do it anymore
@lordodysseus
@lordodysseus 4 жыл бұрын
Can you see the future? If not, don't assume anything.
@drowningin
@drowningin 4 жыл бұрын
@@lordodysseus maybe he knows the 3 eyed raven
@anza323
@anza323 4 жыл бұрын
I have acepted this. And at this point I am just waiting GRR to croke so Brandon Sanderson can finish the books
@Premoguys
@Premoguys 4 жыл бұрын
I used to live and breathe through those videos, shame how GoT got most of those carefully thought theories into nothing more than a theoretical script that's way better than what the show ended up being. Nevertheless, keep up the good work, i missed those videos a lot!
@redblueproductions9739
@redblueproductions9739 4 жыл бұрын
This is books, mate.
@Premoguys
@Premoguys 4 жыл бұрын
@@redblueproductions9739 i am aware mate. I simply said that everybody was diving deep into those theories and expected to see them in the show as well, and the show proved to be a big pile of shit.
@iamthewalrus4998
@iamthewalrus4998 4 жыл бұрын
@@Premoguys I binged almost every alt shift x video before season 8 came out. That definitely made it worse in the end. Still the biggest disappointment I've ever had with a tv series. Annoys me to even think about it
@FIN791998
@FIN791998 4 жыл бұрын
@@Premoguys Yeah of course theories that are based purely on the books wont be in the show but one can still hope right? Most of these theories were however books only stuf and inportant characters that were involved were rarely in the show anyway. Not to mention that around season 5 where most of these misteries poped up D&D heavilly altered the story and cut out alot of stuf. Then people claimed show was bad because they ran out of source material but they didnt. They simply cut it all out. They did leave some big theories and reveals in like R+L=J or Mad Dany but they were so poorly established, shown and used it honestly would have been better if they left them out completely
@capgangchannel6309
@capgangchannel6309 3 жыл бұрын
@@Premoguys the tv show is a completely hollow and surface level bastardization version of the books (Last 4 seasons). So of course they didnt have all of this interesting stuff that the books have.
@emilyegg3621
@emilyegg3621 4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I watch your videos before bed kind of like an ASMR video because they're pretty smooth and you don't talk overly fast.
@ChakibTsouli
@ChakibTsouli 4 жыл бұрын
"So Jon is shook" Sums him up
@deeplydeeplydope1111
@deeplydeeplydope1111 4 жыл бұрын
"& Jon doesn't know what a reek is." Tickled me
@CosmicFaust
@CosmicFaust 4 жыл бұрын
"I've been looking forward to this." - Dooku
@ultravires2335
@ultravires2335 4 жыл бұрын
My hatred for D&D and anticipation for the next book has doubled since the last time we met Count.
@Gaminglink1000
@Gaminglink1000 4 жыл бұрын
@@ultravires2335 "Good twice the pride double the fall"
@atoz1to9ization
@atoz1to9ization 4 жыл бұрын
Your editing is absolutely amazing. Keep up the great work!
@AzulaOTP
@AzulaOTP 4 жыл бұрын
Just finished ADWD, started on the first book last summer. I had no clue Abel was actually Mance, I always miss such details, but of course it's him. Loved the ending with Kevan and Varys making a cool comeback. My favorite storylines in this book were probably Quentyn, Griff and Selmy
@henrik199414
@henrik199414 10 ай бұрын
Man, I had the exact same feeling just now watching this video. I remember feeling sketched out by abel and the women and really wondering what was up with them and also at the same time wondering what had happened to Mance and the women. I was even wondering if one of the women was that captured wildling woman that saved Bran back in Winterfell. There is this one very specific line when Theon & the gang are escaping winterfell and they have to do some climbing and one of the women remarks that she has climbed the wall when she was but a young girl. I legit feel like a retard for not connecting the dots until this video, I also seem to miss soooo much of these things lol
@frodobaggins9129
@frodobaggins9129 10 ай бұрын
Dude same here, can't believe I missed that!
@mrj4082
@mrj4082 9 ай бұрын
I figured it out almost immediatly. Once Theon mentioned a singer I went back to see what his name was, then I immediatly knew it was Mance. Although me figuring it out the first time the singer showed up probably has something to do with me being spoiled about Mance being in Winterfell with his spear wifes before I reached ADWD
@hogriderhogw1696
@hogriderhogw1696 5 ай бұрын
I realized it with the mention of his companions being women and his singing and talk with Theon confirmed it.
@beanfrompa
@beanfrompa 4 жыл бұрын
The Battle of Ice results is all I’m really interested in anymore. I’m a Stannis fan and I want to see the Bolton’s go down. God I hope the books don’t end like the show.... it’s all so disappointing.
@jasonfuentz7681
@jasonfuentz7681 3 жыл бұрын
The show will be the only ending you will get. GRRM will never finish this series. Guy is a dick. Fuck him.
@thedumbdog1964
@thedumbdog1964 2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonfuentz7681 Jon being a Targaryen is p cool and I’m not opposed to him getting himself some Dany. I remember GRRM talking about how disappointed he was that Tolkien brought Gandalf back so I’m very afraid of if his death is permanent for the books. Maybe he is at a point where he understands why he didn’t let Gandalf die, or maybe not.
@thedumbdog1964
@thedumbdog1964 2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonfuentz7681 what’s wrong with you? You ever written a 1000 + page book? I can’t even write more than 30
@EndOfSmallSanctuary97
@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 2 жыл бұрын
@fabRic_jAck The first three books were nowhere near as complex as A Dance With Dragons was, or as complex as The Winds of Winter will be.
@mysteryjunkie9808
@mysteryjunkie9808 2 жыл бұрын
I think Stannis will take Winterfell and make Sansa Stark the Warden of the North. He’d win the support of most Northern House along the Vale. He’ll be preparing for the March south on Kingslanding but The Others will attack and he’ll likely go out in a blaze of glory against them defending his Kingdom from evil.
@chrismne92
@chrismne92 4 жыл бұрын
Last time when I was so early, Game of Thrones was still a great series.
@WhosShamouz
@WhosShamouz 4 жыл бұрын
:( I cry every time
@fieldadmiralspartanryseb-8293
@fieldadmiralspartanryseb-8293 4 жыл бұрын
Those really were the days, weren't they?
@Grewyn7
@Grewyn7 4 жыл бұрын
It was about s6 where the downhill turn began. S6 was still acceptable but 7 and 8 were laughable. Guess that's why we have headcanon :(
@RamielLilith
@RamielLilith 4 жыл бұрын
@@Grewyn7 I was gonna say 5 but 6 is watchable. xp
@fieldadmiralspartanryseb-8293
@fieldadmiralspartanryseb-8293 4 жыл бұрын
@@Grewyn7 I completely agree. Season 6 was the last season that I truly enjoyed. Cersei blew up the sept!! It was so fucking epic. But I could tell that something was fucked up when 7 came out. Something changed. Big time.
@designate_om
@designate_om 4 жыл бұрын
this is the kind of video i've been craving for a while, and now my hype for winds is reinvigorated. also, i think the different handwriting is easily explained because ramsay had reek write the first two letters (brown, bloody text + erratic spiky handwriting seems in keeping with a tortured, desperate man writing a letter in his own blood), where this one was ramsay himself.
@jbowetry
@jbowetry 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the great videos! You’ve made this show so much more fun to watch and think about.
@eliasandersson3299
@eliasandersson3299 4 жыл бұрын
Stannis VS Boltons is the thing im looking forward to the most!
@thenotorious844
@thenotorious844 Жыл бұрын
Stannis with Jon snow vs Boltons much better
@kombinatsiya6000
@kombinatsiya6000 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, I'm kinda trying to get over the season 8 mess and this video is giving me all the ptsds 😆
@UAPReportingCenter
@UAPReportingCenter 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed!!
@RedRoseSeptember22
@RedRoseSeptember22 4 жыл бұрын
I recommend listening to Talking Thrones' S8 re-writes so far, they're brilliant!!!
@0ussama01
@0ussama01 4 жыл бұрын
@@RedRoseSeptember22 check out "Macabre storytelling" He has rewrites of characters I've seen a lot of rewrite videos, but he is my favorite so far. Let me know what you think
@thefilmeffect6089
@thefilmeffect6089 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, book readers been dealing with that shit ever since season 5. It just continued to get worse with every season. The Dorne storyline still haunts my dreams. Plus, the way Tyrion was written from Season 6-8 just makes me cringe thinking about it.
@gilgamesh3328
@gilgamesh3328 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, that's better than STDs
@helloGTMO
@helloGTMO 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love your videos! I liked the books, show was ok, but if you keep making these videos ill keep watching them! Thank You!
@joesahagun2037
@joesahagun2037 4 жыл бұрын
Great content, as always. Thanks for all that you do on your channel. Have you ever read The Wheel of Time series? If you're a fan a series of videos on those books would be awesome. Probably not as fun though since it is actually completed so there aren't as many fun fan theories to talk speculate on like this video has.
@johnschwartz1641
@johnschwartz1641 4 жыл бұрын
Next Game of Thrones book? Like GRR is going to finish writing it one day? I admire your optimism.
@seelfire4725
@seelfire4725 4 жыл бұрын
i think hell do one more book, and maybe in 30 years finish the last, or let it be finished by other authers he trust. it hope. but honestly i dont think well see an "ending" written by george
@johnschwartz1641
@johnschwartz1641 4 жыл бұрын
@@seelfire4725 I think he's just not hungry anymore. When creators are starting out, they produce huge volumes of work just to keep a roof over their heads. But when you've got licensing money coming out of your ears, there's a lot less push to get the job done. In any event, I hope I'm wrong. I really do want the last two books to come out.
@Quasisaur
@Quasisaur 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnschwartz1641 I heard somewhere a theory that he'd really finished them both already and now He only waits for hype from tv show to die out and then release them one after another. Now when even prequel show was canceled and think its more plausible .
@merrittanimation7721
@merrittanimation7721 4 жыл бұрын
@@ReptilianLepton With consultation by Brandon Sanderson, purely for laughs.
@nich6200
@nich6200 4 жыл бұрын
Quasisaur what remaining hype the show had died the second they named bran king. He could have released it by now it’s been almost a year
@sbiz2291
@sbiz2291 4 жыл бұрын
Stannis is the One true King.
@Zainiology
@Zainiology 4 жыл бұрын
KNEEL BEFORE YOUR KING!!!!!
@kennysorel
@kennysorel 4 жыл бұрын
STANNIS THE MANNIS
@beanfrompa
@beanfrompa 4 жыл бұрын
Sbiz97 This 😁👍
@Echo2602
@Echo2602 4 жыл бұрын
Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!
@liorcohen436
@liorcohen436 4 жыл бұрын
fuck stannis in the show. Maybe Stannins on the books isnt a bitch ass child killer
@scooter677
@scooter677 Жыл бұрын
Wow I never knew just how much the books differed from the show even during the seasons they were actually following the books. Why did the change it so much
@ajeetchoudhary6645
@ajeetchoudhary6645 Жыл бұрын
Books has too many characters and world of asoiaf is too big and detailed for a show whose season are only 10 episode long like it was manageable in starting season even though they skipped few story line but at later those few skipped stories started to get bigger and bigger part like how velaryon are not mentioned in show as well as aegon son of rhaegar or that necromancer in essos and robs love story and too many characters if you can then read the books it's amazing It's the only novel i have ever read so might be biased
@scooter677
@scooter677 Жыл бұрын
@@ajeetchoudhary6645 I’ve had the books for quite some time. Just been doing other things. I will definitely read them. Thanks for the insight. I hope he finishes the books better than they finished the series. Although I don’t particularly hate the series ending like many others. It was definitely the wrong way to end it though
@sydisemma
@sydisemma 4 жыл бұрын
Yey, an ASX video. Appreciate you're still making videos about ASOIAF mate.
@ajiramarija
@ajiramarija 4 жыл бұрын
I'd really love to see you cover dark!Dany theory. It already came true in the show, but I'd like to know how you think it'll go down in the books.
@AltShiftX
@AltShiftX 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah it'd be cool to do a proper detailed character analysis of book-Daenerys - similar to the Cersei and Jaime videos
@tabulldog2743
@tabulldog2743 4 жыл бұрын
Seconded!
@FIN791998
@FIN791998 4 жыл бұрын
Im still kinda split on her endings in the books. While I have no doubt shes not gonna make it im not sure if is madness that will end it all. I mean im not saying its not possible but mad Dany was a really popular theory and really souns like something D&D would instantly jump to to shock the viewers. Anyway I have re read her chapters myself and heard people with different opinions about her ending. Everyone agrees on her death but its 50/50 on her madness. Personally id say her character can go either way. For the most part it never felt like she would ever go mad but at the same time her very last chapter in Dance is really cleaverly constructed so that her character could end up either way after. Its all down to whats shes gonna be like after those vissions and how will she understand them. Aside from the mad queen theory that was shown in the show, many people still think shes gonna have the Nissa Nissa ending, or die during childbirth. Based on what we know all of these options are very likely although im not so sure about the childbirth one.
@alexarias5717
@alexarias5717 4 жыл бұрын
@@FIN791998 I would rather call it dark Dany because "mad queen" is an oversimplified moniker based on nothing but her father's reputation. I think she'll still have clear motivations for whatever ends up doing.
@Lionstar16
@Lionstar16 4 жыл бұрын
@@AltShiftX Oh yes please
@rookis25
@rookis25 4 жыл бұрын
I feel they did Stannis so dirty on the show. I feel like they reversed the deaths of Stannis and Selyse, with the Red Witch still at the wall with Jon, Selyse, and Shireen, I feel Mel burns Shireen to bring back Jon. Jon comes back and beheads Selyse while Stannis finds out and hangs himself. idk why i think this either. Also I think That Theon and Asha are Stannis' prisoners outside of Winterfell, so If Ramseys had killed Stannis he'd have his Reek, so that is another inconstancy.
@thewallofz
@thewallofz 4 жыл бұрын
they did everyone so dirty on the show.
@Wanderer1794
@Wanderer1794 4 жыл бұрын
Good god this is a dark view.
@willmosse3684
@willmosse3684 4 жыл бұрын
Ramsay could have written the letter but lied about having defeated Stannis, or, as suggested in this video, have been tricked into thinking Stannis is defeated when he isn’t, in which case he wouldn’t know that Stannis has Theon/Reek.
@tomsimcox5066
@tomsimcox5066 4 жыл бұрын
It's an interesting idea, but Stannis doesn't really seem like the type to hanging himself over the death of his wife or daughter. In fact, I don't really recall him ever giving a shit about them in the books.
@cuttlefish1801
@cuttlefish1801 4 жыл бұрын
i can’t see stannis hanging himself. imo he’ll be executed after refusing to “bend the knee” in the face of defeat; all the symbolism about knees that don’t bend can’t amount to nothing
@val882
@val882 4 жыл бұрын
That was awesome thank you!! I hope you do more GoT videos in the future. Make one about who killed little Walder as well.
@iBesaZombie
@iBesaZombie 4 жыл бұрын
This is an AMAZING video, well organized, well explained, AND funny
@vipset87
@vipset87 4 жыл бұрын
one of the most interesting discussions from the winds of winter. kinda glad it wasnt answered or mentioned in the show. us book readers still have big topics to look forward to
@mjob1sniper851
@mjob1sniper851 4 жыл бұрын
Tbf, in season 6 Ramsay did write a similar letter to Jon.
@vipset87
@vipset87 4 жыл бұрын
@@mjob1sniper851 yeah i remember that. they were kinda trying to mimick the pink letter
@ShaunakDabir
@ShaunakDabir 4 жыл бұрын
Stannis the Mannis. One God, One King, One Realm
@gfilmer7150
@gfilmer7150 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe not one God but definitely one realm under on king.
@sn3o0os
@sn3o0os 4 жыл бұрын
Whenever I’m having trouble going to sleep I watch your videos. Your voice is so soothing, and hypnotic which makes me sleepy. Thank you 🙏
@LoudWaffle
@LoudWaffle 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely think it was Mance. Even though we don't know what his motives were, he has enough secrets that there are plenty of possible reasons to motivate him to do this, although we can't know what's going on with him until the next book. Aside from the convincing analysis of the letter's wording matching up with Mance's vocabulary, he's also pretty much the only person who would know about all of the details mentioned in the letter. The next-closest possibility is that he was captured and forced to give up his secrets to Ramsay, but Mance doesn't seem the type to crumble under torture, and the whole point of the letter is that it seems to be written by Ramsay but upon closer examination probably wasn't, which makes Ramsay pretty much the least likely candidate.
@holyelliw
@holyelliw 4 жыл бұрын
There really isn't any other work of ficiton that has this many plotlines and this many mysterious secrets and shit going on literally non-stop
@imdumbbut1681
@imdumbbut1681 2 жыл бұрын
And that’s the reason this particular work of fiction isn’t going to be finished
@darkspirit1911
@darkspirit1911 4 жыл бұрын
Such a pleasure watching your content, I can almost physically feel all the hard work that went into this one, keep it up!
@kodiekulp
@kodiekulp Жыл бұрын
Oh wow. You did the all tomorrow video. That story/art, really everything in that blew my mind .
@heatherhenninger-rollins1690
@heatherhenninger-rollins1690 4 жыл бұрын
I would listen to you read the ingredients off a cereal box your voice is so hypnotic. Seriously, you could have one hell of a career doing audio books! I feel like purring listening to you.
@PocketxWatch
@PocketxWatch 4 жыл бұрын
mostly unrelated, but i thought the phrase “false fire” in regards to Stannis is neat just considering his false azor ahai status
@elliottcoombes
@elliottcoombes 4 жыл бұрын
Please keep the Asoiaf content coming guys, it’s absolutely quality stuff. Keep up the good work
@erenliebert4576
@erenliebert4576 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. It would be also good to see a video on Davos and theoris on him looking for Ricon
@made-line7627
@made-line7627 4 жыл бұрын
Best video I've watched on the mystery yet. Very helpful tetris-ing in all the examples from the text. 👌
@Kriegerdammerung
@Kriegerdammerung 4 жыл бұрын
I knew All Shift would be the man to do an essay video like this!!
@juliachehab900
@juliachehab900 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the book theory videos! I hope there are more coming ☺️
@exorikk
@exorikk 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Thank you! I'm always so excited to see a new ASOIAF video from you.
@bloodynine9017
@bloodynine9017 3 жыл бұрын
If Stannis dies in winds of winter I won’t even finish the book
@PunksterOS
@PunksterOS 4 жыл бұрын
I think at the time of writing even GRRM didn't know who wrote it, which is why he placed things in there to make it hard to guess. However, I think he may go with the Mance Rayder wrote it answer in Winds if we get it sometime in the next decade.
@ryandempsey4830
@ryandempsey4830 4 жыл бұрын
No he 100% knew who wrote it. 200 pages were cut from the end of Dance and moved to the opening of Winds including both the Battle of Ice with Stannis and the Boltons and the Battle of Fire at Mereen. The answer is definitely in there somewhere and was written well before Dance was published.
@shadowninja6689
@shadowninja6689 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe GRRM might change his mind and change who wrote it (he's changed up the plot before from getting bored of it), but he definitely has someone in mind who wrote it.
@frostieisme
@frostieisme 4 жыл бұрын
AltShiftX Uploads: "Go on do your duty"
@alexcasanova8683
@alexcasanova8683 4 жыл бұрын
Hey there! Thanks again for a great video! I was wondering if you would consider doing a recap of the general state of things at the end of ADWD. Obviously this kind of covers the North situation but having a recap for all the main storylines ahead of the TWOW coming out (this summer hopefully) would be great. Thanks again for all your videos!
@gagmanius
@gagmanius 2 жыл бұрын
I believe that it was ser pounce warging into hotpie in order to write the letter
@michelmorio8026
@michelmorio8026 4 жыл бұрын
You aren‘t a real character in Asoiaf until you have another secret identity or are involved in at least two secret plots 🤣
@sebastianpijov8708
@sebastianpijov8708 3 жыл бұрын
Or if you haven't lost who you are.
@thefilmeffect6089
@thefilmeffect6089 4 жыл бұрын
Fire and Blood is such a great book. I've read it eight times already and I can't get enough of it. I really want vol. 2, so we can learn more about my favorite sot King Aegon IV. Plus, we will get Baelor The Blessed's crazy ass and the Blackfyre Rebellion. I of course want the main series finished first, but I really hope we will get vol. 2 at some point.
@Matteus2109
@Matteus2109 4 жыл бұрын
Please, Alt Shift X, don't ever leave us. I can't live without your videos - least not since GoT ended.
@jpa5038
@jpa5038 Жыл бұрын
In A Dance with Dragons, different forms of communication are revealed and discussed. We learn about the obsidian candles and how Marwyn the Mage has been using one to communicate with the Faceless Men. We learn about the Weirwood trees and the concept of the Weirwood network in Bran's training. And dreams as a form of communication and possible direction or even misdirection, although this is not the first time dreams as a form of communication has come up. When the Northerners rescue Theon and Jeyne Pool, Theon is brought to Stannis in that tower with the fire beacon. Apparently he's been spending almost all his time just staring into it. Back at Castle Black, we know that Melissandre has been spending a lot of time looking into the flame. I think they're communicating with one another. Deception is typically not a tactic that Stannis would employ, it's not very in keeping with his character. Melissandre on the other hand, employs deception constantly. The very nature of her glimor is deception. So I think Melissandre advised Stannis to draw Jon Snow out from Castle Black. The best way to do this is to make him believe he's all that's left to help his sister. Thus the letter talks about Stannis being defeated, Mance is captured, the Boltons have secured their position and there's no one left but Jon that might be able to stop them. It's perfect for Stannis. Jon will leave Castle Black, learn that Stannis army still stands and he's still alive, only it will be too late for Jon to turn back. He'll have to aide Stannis in the Battle for Winterfell and with Jon's knowledge of the castle, Stannis will be victorious. Also, perhaps more so than helping Stannis, Melissandre might have come up with this plan as a way of getting Jon away from Castle Black to try to save his life. This is the theory that I have settled on, but Mance writing it is also plausible. Anyone that takes the Pink Letter at face value is a retard. The first time I read the Pink Letter, I got so mad at the show runners for what they did.
@Zlarel
@Zlarel Жыл бұрын
One additional detail: Whoresbane Umber, who is currently inside Winterfell, always signs letters with a crude drawing of the Umber sigil, as if he can't write his own name. However, we're told that his father thought he "had the makings of a maester", and he spent time learning at the Citedal, which makes it seem implausible he'd not have one of the most basic steps of education, reading and writing (and the most elementary step of it at that, writing ones own name). If, as stated in the Hooded Man/Winterfell Murders video, Rowan is actually Crowfood Umber's long-lost daughter, and thus Whoresbane's niece, it's possible that they've linked up at some point, connecting Whoresbane with Mance's conspiracies; and if Whoresbane can indeed write and is hiding it, he's another candidate for authoring the letter. Also, is Mance even literate? It seems implausible a man born beyond the Wall and raised by a purely military organization composed mostly of thieves and scum would be lettered.
@newname4941
@newname4941 8 ай бұрын
Mance was Not raised beyond the Wall, He was a nights watch man once
@No1important88
@No1important88 4 жыл бұрын
Finally got around to watching Preston Jacobs first video I see. Well done
@wisdommanari6701
@wisdommanari6701 4 жыл бұрын
Lol amen
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 4 жыл бұрын
@@wisdommanari6701 This is Cantuse's theory. Rewatch the start of the video.
@tjzini
@tjzini 4 жыл бұрын
This was great. It's been so long since I've read it, I had forgotten so much. If a new book comes out, you'll need to do a comprehensive recap.
@killua4162
@killua4162 4 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh, you videos makes me feel so anxious for the books, i don't know in what believe anymore haha
@crazyprof5349
@crazyprof5349 4 жыл бұрын
It would be coof if you made another video after "The Winds of WInter"s release, about all the Theories and how they actually turned out.
@Blackhawk211
@Blackhawk211 2 жыл бұрын
There's still another book afyer Winds so there will undoubtedly be brand new theories about a dream of spring
@Fenniks-
@Fenniks- 4 жыл бұрын
I hope that Stannis Baratheon becomes the king of the seven Kingdoms
@Echo2602
@Echo2602 4 жыл бұрын
Every sane person should hope for that.
@Echo2602
@Echo2602 4 жыл бұрын
Every sane person should hope for that.
@kimberleymorris8052
@kimberleymorris8052 4 жыл бұрын
It’s got to be better than the last series
@shannond7437
@shannond7437 4 жыл бұрын
Fenniks I think we just need to hope to get the books! 🤞
@RedRoseSeptember22
@RedRoseSeptember22 4 жыл бұрын
I want Jon to be the King, pissed me off so bad when he denied his responsibility in the show...Bran as king was soo...eh.
@maxzulu
@maxzulu 4 жыл бұрын
I read the 5 books in 2010-2011. I then started watching the show. In 2019 I got the 5 books again but on audible. I listened to the first 4 and maybe half of the 5. I was getting so excited for the final tv season. By the end of the show I had to put down the audiobook. Still half way thru the 5th and I haven’t been able to finish it. The alt shift x vids were a nice discovery. Thanks for making all these.
@discogypsyfish9577
@discogypsyfish9577 2 ай бұрын
Harry Llyod does an excellent job narrating the hedge knight books just btw
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