It honestly baffles me that people make a mistake and sue the landowner. Not once have I crashed and thought of blaming someone other than myself. Great video though as always!

Basically, we want a Cathro upload at least weekly

So there's a huge unused grassy hill behind my house that's about a 1/4 mile from the main road. I'm going to build a dirt track for "wildfire prevention precautions". But there might be a few berms and jumps too lol

The best tracks are illegal. Our motto in Australia is "It easier to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission"

After 15 years of trail building in Rotorua, bang on Ben, excellent info. The other trail advocacy consideration we work with is community pest control trusts, trail providing access to more area for trapping & monitoring. So just another reason for more trail. MTB brings a better economy, stronger communities, healthier forests & a greater sense of pride of our beautiful town. Look forward to the DH season, cheers for all the great content bro.

Thank god for Cathro and thank god for Pinkbike bringing KZfaq content to us that is factually interesting. Extremely enjoyable to watch a vlog that is more of a magazine article about something we are all either involved with or affected by. Can I just get this one thing off my chest ? MTB content purely POV of ridding down trails, baphooning about playing a game of BIKE and or ridiculous challenges has become so tedious to trawl through . I know we can all choose what to watch but when social media is awash with mediocre content it's so refreshing when channels such as Pinkbike , Redbull and Cut Media release something that is truly engaging. ( the above sentence is not designed to open up debate purely meant for constructive criticism ) Don't stop the great work guys.

Good thing we don't have "illegal" trails in Colombia 🙊

Blink twice if FLS made you do this in order to keep the trail.

What's kind of nuts is seeing my favourite MTBers / youtubers riding EMTBs.

What’s wrong with the world is we have created a lawsuit happy society. Attorneys pray on a simple situation and try to turn it in a situation that 100x worse than it is while people try to file suit instead of acknowledging their mistakes put them in the predicament they are in. It’s truly annoying because it’s shaping a world where no one is safe... Just a horrible outlook since attorneys have nothing holding them back other than how much money they make.

Very hard to find land and get permission around where I am located North Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿. Great story of how you managed to get it done . Great one Ben

You’ve gotta love Ben Cathro 😂

To anyone who likes mountain biking, you should do what you can to be involved in your local trail association group. They're popping up in more places and almost always can use a hand with advocacy, building rapport with the local land owners and community, or even just moving dirt. It's important to remember that most of the awesome trails we ride around the world are a privilege to have access to, and like any other privilege, can be lost if it's not cared for.

The trail looks so good!!! Rad job by all the builders 👍👍👍

Funny that you manged to put the track through a medieval village man ahahah, my local riding hill is on the slopes of an ironage hill fort, with permission, I find all sorts of cool flints and even some Roman bits while digging.

You just have to love Ben! Great video! :D

I just returned to watch this video again after some time. It's so excellent! What an awesome summary of how to do trails right.

This has been a public safety announcement by Ben Cathro... 🤣

Ben I find your riding absolutely relaxing to watch. Just what I needed to chill out after a long, rough week... riding Stellenbosch tomorrow

This is so cool. Something that could've turned into a shit situation for Ben personally has turned into something positive for the community. We need more of this!

We all want Ben cathro to upload at least once a week

Marin county needs to take note!

we had issues up deuchny woods in perth , we got stv and forestry commission involved and we got a great wee all weather track built which has brought a lot of bikers our way .

It’s not prober mtb ing with out Ben cathro the man is a legend 🤘🏾

Cathro out here with his court-mandated public service announcement

my illegal bike jumps at queen elizabeth park (vancouver) go torn down by the C.O.V.

Building trails is just a whole diverent Vibe

A trail no go, but active forestry over that village yes man!!!

Somebody complained about our park we made with jumps they destroyed it and called it an illegal bmx park my city is so stupid

I will say there are some certain scenarios that prevent a certain plan from happening like the flow of traffic and parking. Fantastic video tho! Hopefully we see some more eager bikers building more trails in the future!

Literally impossible to get a project approved in Eastern Europe if it doesn't bring tons of cash yo the town hall

Cathro should name the trail Fortescue for disturbing the medieval village

A pile of rocks in the woods from hundreds of years ago when peasants tried to stay warm and dry. Honestly at what point do we stop thinking things are history and things are just an old pile of rocks? We've already touched almost the entire planet, should we never build anything new again?

WOW! I enjoyed watching it! That is really cool!

All the pointless bureaucracy just sucks the fun out.

Scotland is light years ahead of ireland in terms of sanctioned trailbuilding. The country is such an insurance basket case that the landowners, Coillte, will not allow any unofficial trailbuilding. Anything that is officially built is just tame trail centre greens or blues.

That’s right! You definitely would not want to illegally build a trail that attracts people to your community and helps people’s-health

This was very informative, I hope it will be helpfull for us germans.

It's always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission haha

So this is where Cathro's been, time to crawl through PB content to find everything I've missed since #CathroVision!

Ok back story my group is a dirt bike Enduro group, we found a great area but it was private property so we got permission. Ok so one day we were riding our trails and we came across a trail that we didn't make or have permission for it to be there, being a mountain biker also I realized right away that they were mtb trails, now don't get me wrong we have a respect system with the mtb community and most of us are great friends. But this was a breach on the terms of our agreement so we contacted the mtb community leaders and they did some digging around and found out that they weren't the ones that did it. So we tracked down who did it it was a bunch of teens that made it on a weekend so we let them deal with the property owners. Everything worked out in the end, so those kids were put to work on making other trails for us.

Noooo! You can't just go and have FUN!! First you gotta ask for permission.

Watching this as I build trails on conservation area

I remember the Forestry Commission in the Borders telling us about a woman who went walking in Craik in her stilettos, left the road to hike through the rough where she fell, broke her ankle and promptly sued the Commission for damages. Apparently you need warning signs about that!

Which law holds landowners liable for accidents which occur on their land? < This is ridiculous and needs to be fixed.

First rule of fight club is don't talk about fight club

FSA input in this vid translated to, mountain bikes waste our time when we could be unsustainablely farming invasive species of trees

Great vid🤘

Needed to see this trail in the pie

Awesome video🔥

Farm kids have it the best just have to convince theyere parents and got all the tools

Yes, the problem with mountain biking is that it doesn’t have enough bureaucracy. All the good local trails started out illegal and then became more formal and are managed by the local trail builder group. When the state set out to build a trail they brought in “professionals” who had no idea what they were doing and they created trash trails with terrible flow and dangerous jumps that just don’t work. Oh and they covered the whole thing in gravel for some reason.

thats really nice...keep it up

Thank you!!!!!!

Best way to build trails buy you self some land

we only have illegal trails in melbourne, australia

Thanks for this informations Nice vidéo

Can we get a revue on the vitus Sumer the one with the rockshox yari

Oh im super early. Last time i was this early to a pinkbike video i didnt know how to react

I don't think it is the problem of the builders or land owners, I think suing culture is bad in general, you have more fun, but it creates more problems then it solves, in the end no-one really benefits, probably even the idiots who sue people for no reason have complained about 'health and safety gon mad' once in their life

I want to see Ben Cathro and Christina Chappetta review the bikes.

such a good video! thanks all!

So it's multiple levels of bureaucracy, compromise and dealing with organisations, or build the trail you want and don't put it on instagram (maybe accept it might not last forever if the land isn't yours) - Got it

Who the hell is suing? And how are they winning the cases?

What if u can’t find who owns the land and build a trail with no big features?? And it’s by kids ?

Real ones already seen this

"Illegal trails" means a completely different thing in the UK than it does in Canada. We wouldn't even dream of building illegally or legally on private land. So the difference between legal and illegal on crown land (depending on the government official in charge of your area) often means the difference between being able to make something that's actually challenging or just building another homogenized boring ass blue or green flow trail.

yay Ben!

I have clipped my petal on a bush and I flew down a hill

Where is that new trail being put in?

Me and my friends are about to build one in a local park and we are not sure if its allowed we are in scotland btw

What I liked about this the most was seeing no excavators. I get it, maybe I'm a luddite, but once you cut a "trail" with a machine, I don't think its really much of a trail, lots of fun, but I'd call it a "track" or something else. Trails are natural. (I realize he refers to this often as a track, but I'm going to chalk that up the the Scottish vernacular!)

Basically the exact opposite of all that sound advice towards the end of the video happened at my local (illegal) riding spot and, well yeah all hell broke loose!

It’s so sad huge secret trails just got take down the city literally had to take a excavator

What I love about mtb is the majority of the time a failure is on my part, not the bike or the trail. People who sue are melts lmao

Whilst i total agree that we should all build legal, sensible and sustainable trails, involving the landowner from the word go, i also think that "sued for millions" is b*ll*cks! sorry! Can anyone actually point to a single court record that shows where this has been the, er case ????

I’ve had 2 of mine taken down

Where I am it’s all public land and the national trust just flatten anything

9:08 the man is damn Scottish!

With the right tools (I used a simple bike tool kit kzfaq.infoUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L that you can strap to the bike) it's simple to assemble. As a 270lb guy looking for a way to get more exercise that's easy on my feet I have been impressed by this bike. The tires ship with air in the tires, but before you ride you need to pump them up som more, but once you do you can ride with confidence. You'll definitely want to replace the seat if you're going to ride for any real distance, but that's the case with most bikes. I'm loving it and it has given me a hobby from my youth back.

or just build some trails and tell no one about it

where is this trail

Surely we have to be asking "Why is it so hard to gain permission in the first place"? "Land owners" have all the power and are unwilling to compromise. NRW here in Wales seem to think they have a divine right to do what they want, they completely forget that they manage the land that the public own. The outdoors should be for everybody's benefit, not to benefit Karen's who are upset they got muddy in the woods 😑

In germany where I live we only have illegal trails…

This video works only for people NOT living in germany and some other countrys ;-(

I’m building a sick trail rn and it’s goin well but I hope I don’t get sued cuz it’s such a stupid rule

if u mountain bike and sue when u crash u shouldn’t be allowed to ride a bike and u ruin it for everyone

Where are these tracks?

I feel like it’s better to beg forgiveness than ask permission in regards to trail building. The worst case is the time spent building is wasted if it gets shut down. Build smart and sustainable, and ensure your entrance and exits make sense.

Whats the music in this?

Mighty Plop

in fairness in ireland scotland wales and england you cant dig 6 inches before finding a medieval village or a iron age post hole also YOU should not be able to sue a landowner because YOU choose to ride down a hill and YOU hit a tree at 40kph and broke YOUR collar bone or worse, YOUR lack of ability is not the landowners fault...I and only I are responsible for my actions and mistakes so it really isnt fair to be suing landowners for when we fuck up

Imagine trying to sue the trail for a crash, like let’s be real…

With Scotland's right to roam, how do they not have a zero liability for said landowners?

When's he racing

I did this on one hour before watching it

Ooh I’m early

The title made me think how do I make illegal trails

Great trail, great riding - AMAZING! WELL DONE! But the video is not realistic. The reality is you had some time on your hands - and you built a trail. If you'd "worked with trail associations" and "consulted land owners on the route" you'd still be talking about it and your lockdown-opportunity to build would have been and gone. I understand why you made the video, it's important to get on the right side of people - you're being a model of "seek forgiveness not permission". 100% support you. Just saying that government, landowners, councils and society need to realise there is a need for trails. Unauthorised trail building is the only realistic way they will ever realise that need. Otherwise they're just not aware how big the need is - they won't get this from engaging with just a few select organisations like trail associations etc. Riders are stuck in a loop of: - no decent trails - no decent land allocated - have to build - HAVE TO KEEP THOSE BUILDS SECRET TO STOP THEM BEING DESTROYED - then other riders don't know about those builds - so no decent trails for them - build their own - and on it goes. There is too much unauthorised trail building - but only because councils, government and landowners are too restrictive about trail building in the first place. Yes there are official channels, but there's also militancy and sometimes that actually gets things done. Go out and build trails, people!!

Build a trail between a river and a army airport base, two soccer field in wood. No one will use the terrain in the future 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣