Am I the only one that immediately saw this man's sweet muttnchops and thought to myself: "This dude know's what he's talking about"?

As with anything, moderation is key. There's a huge difference between pipe smokers and cigarette smokers. Pipers occasionally smoke as a relaxing diversion. Cigarette smokers smoke constantly, and because they're addicted, and they're inhaling the smoke. Big difference.

My step-grandfather (loved him dearly) was an avid pipe smoker; he would have his breakfast, tend to his pipes, light one and read the newspaper for an hour. After that he would take a walk, a casual stroll really but you would be amazed by his posture, he stood at a tall 185cm with a back straight as an arrow and carried himself like a gentleman. Even at the age of 82 the man was as healthy as anyone could hope to be, sharp as a razor too. He seemed like he would outlive myself actually, so his untimely death was a surprise. Turns out few weeks after an electroshock theraphy his heart just stopped. No sickness, no complications, just stopped just because of a "treatement" gone wrong. You can live your life being careful about every little thing, living straight and narrow. But that doesn't mean you won't get cancer, or die in a traffic accident nonetheless. A person should be aware that no amount of being careful will make them immortal, and sometimes taking some risks for the sake of a brighter day will be more fulfilling than trying to squeeze out every last second from a future that isn't even guaranteed. There is a balance between freedom and safety, and everybody has their own flavor of it, but everyone should remember, safety isn't assured but freedom is. Honestly abstaining from the things I like just to die by some a-hole on his phone running me over would make me pretty mad... if I wasn't dead.

When my Husband had surgery the anesthesiologist asked him if he smoked, he said yes. then he was asked, "how many packs"? He told the doctor that he smoked a pipe. The doctor told him that that was much better than cigarettes. My husband has smoked for many years he is 70 and has smoked since he was about 17. When he gets his yearly check-up the oxygen level of his blood has been at 99% for many years. Cigarettes have a huge amount of chemicals to give them the "flavor", pipe tobacco and cigars usually do not have the chemicals added.

don't forget to floss! Smoking increases you risk of periodontal disease by decreasing neutrophil and fibroblast chemotaxis. You should floss before you brush and scrub your teeth with the floss - brush your gums at a 45degree angle for 2.5 minutes two times per day. Get regular oral examinations, including head and neck cancer screenings by your dentist and 6 month cleanings (3 months if you are diagnosed with periodontal disease). Try to keep pipe smoking to a minimum and enjoy only on special occasions. Smoke outside in the breeze to avoid second hand smoke. Pipe smoking will increase your risk of oral cancer(squameous cell carcinoma) with a survival rate of about 50%. Pipe tobacco smoke can also increase your risk of other salivary tumors which have a much worse prognosis. Alcohol will increase your risk of oral and esophageal cancer by about two fold (tobacco alone). You can get lung cancer with any form of tobacco smoke. There are more than 4000 carcinogens in tobacco smoke of any kind. The more you are exposed to smoke the greater your probalility of acquiring different forms of malignancy. Like you I enjoy a pipe, but understand, we are all taking a major risk. I do limit my exposure to only special occasions. I hope this helps you in your discovery process.

The big points about tobacco in my opnion: 1. Moderation is the key for everything, not only tobacco. 2. Tobacco was (and is) the target of large scale social experiments. If you say "tobacco", 200 persons will gather around you with stories about deceased relatives or something government said - even if you smoke very rarely, like me. Look the point: tobacco isn't an angel, but isn't that devil. 3. I always try to avoid doubtful and low quality tobaccos, and i NEVER carry smoke to my lungs.

Isnt crazy how positive the pipe smoking community is?

My doctor told me I'd add 5 years to my life if I quit smoking a pipe. He failed to tell me how long I was going to live in the first place. I still occasionally smoke a pipe just because. As to your drinking a soda with your smoke, the soda probably does you more harm than the pipe. Great video. Keep on keepin on.

12 years ago I quit smoking cigarettes. I recently took up pipe smoking. These are two vastly different worlds. Cigarettes are the coffin nails of modern tobacco use. Pipe tobaccos are the best of tobaccos. For taste, aroma and chill smoking a pipe is the best. Not anywhere near so addicting. I can skip smoking for days or weeks and then fire up a bowl of Captain Black. Pipe smoking is an art form.

I recently took up pipe smoking as a hobby, but I took the advice of people like MuttonchopPiper here and gave it some thought before I did so. The father of a friend of mine was a heavy pipe smoker that died of some kind of cancer, though he always inhaled. Another friend of mine lost his pipe-smoking grandfather to cancer that returned despite an operation to cut part of his lip away. This kind of stuff weighed on my mind at the start. Most of my family have died from smoking related illnesses, but they usually had other health problems including those related to lifestyle. Stress, mental health problems, poor diet, medications, serious poverty and so on. I know that lung cancer doesn't run in the family, though most of my relatives suffered and died from lung conditions - emphysema, pneumonia, pleurisy, collapsed lungs, tuberculosis. Most men in my family smoked pipes (including some women) but we have no history of oral cancer; the main killer is actually stomach cancer partly due to chronic ulcers (stress), followed by heart attacks and strokes (diet, medication, lifestyle). Looking at the situation as a whole, I reckoned it would be foolish of me to start smoking and inhaling due to the history of lung problems that even affect my non-smoking relatives now. I don't think I should be at high risk of oral cancer however because we have no history of that, even among the pipe smokers in my family. I decided to take up the hobby while keeping inhalation to a minimum, unlike my relatives who always inhaled their pipes going back to the 1930s. I've been smoking for 6-8 months now, a few bowls per week, and I see it as no worse for me than caffeine, junk food or alcohol. I would recommend this approach to anybody else thinking of starting the hobby; never mind other people's stories, look at your own family history and decide for yourself.

Very interesting topic. Something to ponder on while we smoke our pipes. LOL

Nice video. I like sitting round the 44 gallon drum fire with my dad having a beer and smoking a pipe on the saturday night. I will remember those times till the day I bite the dust! We all gonna die of something one day so I suggest you all enjoy your life as much as you can while you are still here. I suggest turning the TV off as a start and get out there!!!! Love you everybody

This man makes me feel like I'm in the 1800's. Keep rockin' the chops, good sir!

Great video. As a long time pipe smoker I have stayed away from highly processed and commercialized pipe tobacco. The cigarette companies manipulate their tobacco plants thru hybridization to boost nicotine levels to ensure they have a nicotine addicted customer, in addition, they re-process their stale cigarettes and re-blend the stale tobacco with fresh tobacco to be re-shipped to the retailers. The tobacco being smoked by cigarette smokers is putrid. Finally, I have known old timers who where pipe smokers like my grandfather who lived well into their 90's with no health problems.

2:53 That nose wiggle was adorable!

Life is too short and you should take any pleasure you can in this brief time we have in this chamber of horrors.

I feel you are being very unbiased by looking at both sides! Great video!

Your points remind me of my opinions about riding a motorcycle: risk mitigation. There is no doubt that riding a motorcycle (like smoking tobacco) increases your risk of certain injuries/diseases. However, there are things that you can do (wear protective gear, wear light colors, never drink and ride, etc) to greatly lessen your risk below cited figures for the "average" person. Smart approaches like you've given here are great to help lower risk while still enjoying a great hobby 👍

I'm a cigar smoker looking to switch to a pipe because I think it'll be cheaper. I don't abuse cigars and smoke them late at night with a glass of water to reflect on the week's events and to scan the sky. I imagine I'll do the same with a pipe. Your review was very well thought out and delivered responsibly. Thank you.

you look like you've came straight out of ww1

To a pipe smoker i would recommend having coffee along with your pipe as coffee reduces risk for oral and throat cancers and those who drink 4 cups a day reduce their chance of those cancers by 49%!! An alcoholic beverage increases the chance for oral cancers so alcohol should be taken in moderation.

I'd like to thank you sir.. I find your content and your lessons very useful in my youth and beginning journey of pipe and cigar smoking.. You've really opened my eyes in a lot of ways and I'm happy the algorithm worked its way towards you.. Thank you for inspiring us and giving your piece of wisdom.. With every draw I take, from now on there will be a piece of you in it, and I hope I can pass that piece on to the people I meet, who would like to begin their journey of pipe smoking :)

Just came across your channel. Been smoking for quite a while (when I was a kid) but been doing it moderately. I don't usually carry smoke to my lungs, I think there's a difference between a habit and a hobby. Some days ago I read a comment here on YT about someone's Grampa made it to 92 years old and smoking actively. Moderation is being a connoisseur. Love your channel! Greetings from Mexico.

Nice video. I have a chronic leukemia (CLL), since 2008, which is being treated very successfully. I still plan to take up the pipe again; I think there's a lot of health hype going around. When I was an Air Force navigator in the '80s I'd sit in the alert facility (as part of Strategic Air Command we lived on base for 1 out of 3 weeks, "alert" status, ready to go to war on a moment's notice) & enjoy my pipe while reading. It had a pipe cleaner that stayed inside the stem to absorb moisture; worked pretty well, but eventually got tired of getting the moisture in my mouth (must've gotten pretty wet tobacco) & gave it up. Don't recall hearing about filters in those days (or just didn't pay attention). My wife has been complaining about my occasional cigars, so I'm taking up the pipe again, & renew the battle with moisture. Sounds like a 9mm filter will take care of the previous problem nicely. I used a Zippo pipe lighter--think I still have it somewhere--but don't recall ever having the lighter fluid taste in my tobacco. Thanks for your helpful videos!

Thank you very much for your priceless observations, really appreciate them from an experienced smoker. You raise very valid points as well. I've just started with pipe smoking, and the one big difference I've observed is the burnt aftertaste, its almost a charred smell and taste for hours together, and this is regardless of the type of tobacco I use. I make sure, I smoke outdoors, I do not inhale, I do not over draw and overheat the pipe with rapid draws, clean the pipe, brush my teeth and clean my tongue. At the moment, I'm going through a huge conflict, of quitting cigarettes altogether and limiting myself to one pipe smoke a day, typically late evenings after dinner, in open air. But even that is really a borderline experience for me, since the near-term aftereffects are significantly obvious as compared to cigarettes. That aftertaste, and the amount of burnt stuff (that black fine dust, and the burnt smell) is very disturbing. I will continue this observations for next few months and if it gets just too much, will stop altogether. Please do continue to make such thought provoking posts.

Could listen to this man talk all day.

Good, simple, common sense advice. I’m glad you mentioned drinking soda while smoking a pipe. I thought I was only me that did that.

Thanks for this, Sir. I was just introduced to pipe smoking by a Brother from another Mother as a Groomsman's gift. I was never a smoker and do not enjoy cigarette smoke (I'm not trying to crap on people who do, just a personal preference), but I found I really enjoyed a nice slow smoke of a pipe and the way it made me slow down and be mindful of my breathing patterns. I was still worried about the health aspects. This helps a lot. I really enjoy the channel and love how you don't talk to the newbies like we're stupid. You have been a big help and I than you for what you do.

You have the gentlest spirit. Thanks for your great videos. I recently tried out a pipe with a new friend who has a couple extras. I had wanted to try it for a long time. I had smoked cigarettes for 3 years or so as a teen and now am 28. My friend is glad to have a smoking buddy now, as we live in Baja, MX. I decided I’d smoke very moderately, maybe at most once a week, because of some of the health risks. I am definitely not in the crowd who thinks smoking is a sin. I love looking at all the beautiful pipes that are made, and maybe I’ll own one some day. The Savinelli pipes are so beautiful. Anyway, I appreciate you sir and hope you are able to enjoy your pipe for many years to come. Thanks for the great and caring videos.

My Grandfather smoked a pipe to the end. Even though the right side of his face was affected by cancer, and it left him horribly disfigured, he still enjoyed his pipes. As a young kid, he would tell me stories as he smoked his cherry tobacco. All of my cousins have at least 1 of his pipes. This channel brings back lot of wonderful memories!

Excellent advice, thank you for the research you did on this issue.

Thank you Lemmy Kilmister

This is a very careful and realistic approach to a subject I feel is necessary for any smoker. You did a really good job handling this, and covered some pretty important practices I'll be incorporating myself. Well done, I subscribed and am looking forward to watching your other videos.

Your a Man of Humblness and kindness 🌱 🐢 it is difficult to find folks that have a honesty about themselfs, that one can trust. My grandfather instructed me once, not everyone who's trying to help you is trying to help you and not everyone who trying to pull you out of a jam is trying to pull you out. You speak slowly and are slow with thoughts ...I'd like to think, I could... trust a person like that. 🌱🌰

I found this helpful. Half of my family are cigarette or cigar smokers, and the other half isn't. I got into pipe smoking through my hobby as a reenactor, but I have cautiously watched how often i smoke, which has been a good habit of keeping. While I tend to smoke on my weekend encampments, it isn't every time, and it is only with a certain group of friends. I also smoke at home, but I have kept it to once or twice every couple of months.

Cigarettes=addiction. Pipe smoking=meditation.

I was with you until you said no alcohol Muttnchop, lol. I like a snifter of a good single malt scotch with my daily bowl or cigar. But I do agree with you in the sense that I'm going to enjoy my routine until I have to cross that river. At 65, I've already lived a pretty good life and I'm going to enjoy the rest of the ride my way.

I like what this guy has to say. Very down to earth presentation and gives me zero reason to question whether the information he is providing is true or not. Thank you for your pipe smoking series of videos!!

Thanks for being absolutely honest about pipe smoking!!!

I know this video is a few years old but i truly appreciate even haveing the initiative to do the video. As a person who is considering taking up pipe smoking, alcohol tasting, and snus, as well as vaping; I do a lot of research beforehand and try to see the risks and the positives (if there are any). I used to be very anti tobacco, anti cannabis, anti alcohol, etc. But i have learned a lot from both sides, hearing what they have to say. All in all you just have to know what try is fine with you. If you feel something is harming you, you may have to take a step back and take a break or lay off. But that is life. Anything can happen the most practical and unpractical can cross our paths. You can sit back and try to avoid anything that could come with a negative risk and still get some sort of health issue...... but then again would you have really experienced life. Sorry for the wierd comment, but thank you again for this video and all the other videos you have uploaded.

Thanks for the objectivity and balanced argument. I am relatively new to pipe smoking and it may seem contrary, but health is important to me as well. By the way, I just subscribed - thanks for presenting the art of pipe smoking it in nice fashion.

A very helpful video. The best one on this subject.

Great video as always your absolutely right when you mentioned the research early on. You either like and enjoy it or you don't! Moderation helps a lot and now a days most people think everything is bad for you. Before you know wiping your nose will be hazardous for your health!! I'm going to keep packing my pipe and smoking.

3 months ago I moved my family of 7 out of the city to 30 acres. Haven’t looked back. I’ve been doing tons of research on pipe smoking as it’s had my interest over the years (like 20). I like the idea of “contemplative” pipe smoking in the privacy of my shop. That’s how I’ve always viewed it. I’m actually a worship leader at our church and not looking to advertise my hobby but you’ve added value and have affirmed to what I otherwise see as harmless, masculine, small life pleasure. Told my family that they may walk in on me here and there but they say as long as it doesn’t smell like cigarettes, they’re fine with it. I’ve been doing about a bowl a day over the past week in the shop and there truly is something relaxing while watching creation through the smoke of a pipe. It’s a cup of hot chocolate for men. Thanks for the vids, you’ve helped me affirm the way I’ve thought of it for some time now👍🏻

Just found your channel. Great video! I too make pipe related videos. Before I started pipe smoking I did quite a bit of research. Smoking a pipe is definitely the least dangerous use of tobacco. Cool chops by the way! God bless.

Good video. Fair on your analysis. I for one use a filter, I drink water during my smoke, and when finished I brush my teeth with an electric toothbrush and also the roof of my mouth as far back as possible. I then scrape my tonge with a tonge scraper. This process throughly cleans my entire mouth. There are no guarantees in life, but I feel that you can enjoy pipe smoking and still help prevent any health issues by following a thorough cleaning routine.

Great Video! This has been something as a new pipe/cigar smoker I have considered, but had the same results as you. It is very hard to find information unless t is directed towards cigarettes and inhaling the smoke, not for a pipe or cigar. I appreciate being able to find this and chew on the info 👍🏻👍🏻

The crucial thing is the tobacco itself. The Burley that comes out of the fields of Kentucky and what goes into a cigarette are FAR different. The crap and chemicals added will blow your mind!! It scared me more than smoking cigarettes themselves did. I make this point to show before cigarettes because popular in the early 1900s there wasn’t much health issue with tobacco. Tobacco in its natural form has far less nicotine than a cigarette and no added BS. It’s the cigarette and the process companies invented to make tobacco such a “ evil”. Before cigarettes people puffed on pipes or a cigar for pleasure, little if any inhaling, or it was chewed. Both my great grandpas lived to be 90 and were pipe smokers. Mt grandpa and several uncles smoked cigarettes and inhaled every puff...all died in 60s of massive heart attacks. Moral of the story....Tobacco has been around for a long time but the way we use it drastically changed and the crap put into it changed. At least with pipe smoking your puffing natural tobacco that’s not molested with a chemical bath of chemicals and extra nicotine to make sure you get hooked. I quit cigarettes and went to pipe only now for about a week and I can already feel lung function returning and I feel better. Much smaller doses of nicotine through real tobacco and no inhaling.

Excellent and mature treatment of this important subject, thank you. I'm a cancer survivor (not smoke related) in remission, and a very occasional smoker looking at trying pipes. Would be interested in your thoughts on longer stem pipes eg churchwardens for keeping the exhaled smoke further from yourself, and making the smoke cooler. Again thank you for your responsible & mature treatment of this subject.

Really good video, impartial and concise. Enjoyed it alot and was pretty clarifying. Thanks

I’m glad you clarified in a different comment about the clearing your throat is attributed to asthma. I was wondering that only because lately I’ve been having to clear my throat a lot and I’m thinking it’s because it’s summer time and my allergies are kicking up. At least that’s what I’m hoping. Thanks for this video!

Inhalation of any kind of smoke is a health hazard. That being said, people should be able to do what they want with their bodies, and if that means doing activities that may lead to cancer or other serious health issues, they should be allowed to do so. This is how I live my life, and at least how I feel, others should live their lives as well. But again its their lives they live how they want to.

Thank you brother. Nice video

I want to say thank you for your help. It was a great video and important thing to know.

1000th comment. Your videos are very helpful and chill. Thanks for posting! Be well.

Thank you for this video! You've gained a new subscriber. I'm a relatively infrequent smoker of cigars, and have recently ordered a pipe and some English blends of various strengths because cigars are just too expensive for how often I want to smoke them. Can't help but want to smoke a cigar every couple days and when you get up to 8-10 decent Cubans a month (Romeo y Julietas, Hoyo De Monterrey, etc) it gets prohibitively expensive as I'm not what you'd call a Bilderberg or even a Rothschild. We'll see how it goes soon enough.

We all make a conscious decision to smoke. Whether by pipe, cigar, pipe, etc. None of it matters. Smoke is not good for the lungs or mouth in any known universe. Some folks last longer than others. I lost my mom and dad to copd and lung cancer, directly related to smoking. No question- I very much enjoyed cigs, cigars, and sometimes the pipe over 25 years. I now have COPD to show for it. No question- I miss the pleasure of it. On the other hand- smoke of any kind is just straight-up not healthy for humans, nor any other animal for that matter. I wish there was a way to smoke without consequence- believe me.

I quit smoking cigarettes 183 days ago. I'm looking into learning to smoke a pipe. I'm only looking to relax and unwind after a hard day at work. The info hear has been helpful. I will subscribe and I look forward to learning the art of pipe smoking. Thanks.

Thanks for the info. I had a dental checkup yesterday and my hygienist told me that the roof of my mouth looked more leathery than before. My dentist said it was caused by the smoking but that it wasn't anything malignant. He just told me to smoke in moderation. I also looked for answers online and found similar information that you found. Funny but I found one that said unless you smoked more than ten bowls a day, your risks are similar to non-smokers. I'll find that study and link it here. Thanks again.

I truly believe that cigarettes and pipes/cigars are totally different animals. You don’t bring the smoke into your lungs and when it comes to nicotine addiction it isn’t there for the latter category. Harmony and pleasant people is what you find in the pipe and cigar smoking community. That is what make life worth while 😊👍

If people are worried about their health then they to reevaluate their thoughts about life. Life is hazardous to their health

Very fair and honest! Thank you! My family has a ton of friends who smoke pipes and none of them have cancer. Pipe tobacco is to cigarettes' what a gourmet steak is to a McDonalds cheeseburger.

Lol. Yes, you are correct. Thank you for the reply. I enjoy your videos very much. -- Ken

Posting your references to the websites and data you researched wouldn't be a bad idea. Just in the spirit of being even more transparent and impartial.

I looked into this topic too. The "secondary smoke" you talked about, is a concern. But you need to put it in a context that we can understand. And that is, research has found that driving on the highway, with your windows down, in traffic, is MORE dangerous than "second hand" pipe smoke. I always found that to be interesting trivia. Good video. Keep up the good work.

Great non biased video. Great job!

Such a great knowledgeable bloke

My great grandfather smoked filterless cigarettes since he was 11. He died at 98 from lung cancer. My grandmother smokes and had smoked since I was a alive. She's going on 85/6. My mom had breast cancer, she had chemo with a woman who never smoked and had lung cancer. My father died at 48 from sepsis, like others have stated life's too short. I know the risks, I'll enjoy my 2-4 pipes a day

My doctor once asked me if I smoked. I said I smoked a pipe every now and then. He sort of made a "nah" type noise and half shook his head as if to say "doesn't count, not interested".

A very sensitive exposition of a most important subject. All the best.

thank you i appreciate this video, i just started pipe smoking and i feel you gave me some good tips. thank you again

Love your videos man, but I think you burnt the muffins! (beep beep beep beep beep beep) 😜

The Seattle Pipe Club hosted a Doctor one evening for one of their monthly meetings and he did a lecture on smoking and your health. Here are the results from that lecture and his studies. www.seattlepipeclub.org/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=969877&module_id=17020

I really appreciate the time you took to make this video it was very informative..

Thanks you made my day this is a great way to look at this issue. will share this video on facebook

also nobody gets out of life alive so who cares.smoke up.

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love ur style, amazing personalized corner, lovely collection

I love the honesty about your wife letting you smoke. When I go out with the guys and smoke a cigar one of the first things I do is shower and brush my teeth to rid myself of the smell. I can do what I want like anyone but life is so much more pleasant when she's not upset lol. Thanks for the videos!

Great video. You aren't in denial like those who dip tobacco on youtube

Did you replace your smoke detector battery?

I came upon your channel from doing my own research on risks of pipe smoking. I'm about to embark on a new journey into pipe smoking. I'm a cigar smoker looking into starting to smoke pipes. Your videos are very informative. New subscriber here!

Thanks for your video. This is a good topic for discussion. Very good points about taking care of your mouth.

Captain Price

I started pipe smoking today,literary like 4 hours ago

Two years later and I really appreciate the video that you've made here. I understand your coming from a place of bias, as am I, but I believe that you present your evidence in a very proffesional manner. In the end smoking something we take pleasure in but it is a vice. If I wasn't a sub before I am now.

This guys the man! Thank you for being real and acknowledging the political games and all that junk. Thanks for the facts man! Great video!

To quote my cardiologist there is no links between pipe smoking and heart disease

Hater's gonna hate, snowflakes will melt. Light up and enjoy.👍

I’ve heard plenty of surgeons smoke pipes and cigars as a way to relax after stressful days at work…not sure that’s true but makes sense…just my input!!! Thanks for a great channel 🤘😎🤘

Really wasn’t expecting Chester Arthur to talk about pipe smoking

Speed 1.5 anyone else?

Drinking coffee while smoking lower the risk of health and throat complications

Pretty much what I practice in my pipe enjoyment. My Dr., when he asked if I smoke, I described my pipe smoking and such, he said: Yeah, you're not "technically" a smoker so, you'll not have that on your chart. I've spoken with fellow pipe smokers and we've often gabbed about the downsides. As long as one practices good brushing and keeping one's face clean, it really reduces risks. Sipping a cool drink is a good tip, and I've been practicing that too. It does help, and pipe bite happens when one is drawing too much, and too hard, so you're getting hotter smoke and, making your pipe burn like a furnace. All around bad! Gotta sip and take your time. Good video.

Great video, thank you for the information.

2:41 say no more.

I had an uncle that was a moderately heavy pipe smoker and they attributed the fact that his pecker fell off to his pipe smoking.

Brilliant video and observations sir! A lot of people fail to realize that hygiene has the biggest effect on oral cancers. While smoking certainly won't help, it's not the end all be all to whether or not you get these cancers.

Cool smoking is definitely a very important factor. I smoked a bowl that was consistently too hot a week ago and my throat is still inflamed which is not good and tended to make my mind go off the edge with worry. I think I will give it a break for a decent period and might look to return in the future

I saw those muttonchops and immediately thought "This guy knows what he's talking about"