Pitch & Stress Accent Languages All Japanese learners MUST know this...

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Aki from Japan

Aki from Japan

6 жыл бұрын

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@DeadRebornKid
@DeadRebornKid 5 жыл бұрын
1:36 *When you get taught by a foreigner about your own language*
@AkaiNiwatori1
@AkaiNiwatori1 5 жыл бұрын
This guy is one of the few Japanese dudes who knows this stuff. Bring up pitch accent to your average Japanese person and they'd be just as woke haha
@AkaiNiwatori1
@AkaiNiwatori1 3 жыл бұрын
一本のうんち Yeah but the majority of English speakers aren’t making KZfaq channels talking about language/becoming English teachers They should know what the phonetic script is if they’re going to do such things
@naomimoran5564
@naomimoran5564 6 жыл бұрын
As a native English speaker speaking in pitch stress instead feels very unusual, the pitch change can change the entire word
@333DOT.
@333DOT. 4 жыл бұрын
how. its not even that different in english. u can say CONtract and it means the thing u sign and u can say conTRACT annd itmeans to pull back
@komimia9309
@komimia9309 4 жыл бұрын
@@333DOT. literally not the same thing
@333DOT.
@333DOT. 4 жыл бұрын
@@komimia9309 yes it is its basically the same
@komimia9309
@komimia9309 4 жыл бұрын
@@333DOT. entirely wrong.
@NeurosisOsmosis
@NeurosisOsmosis 4 жыл бұрын
@@333DOT. It's confusing because in the CONtract/conTRACT example, the con part sounds totally different. In conTRACT it sounds like cunTRACT
@Fearless13468
@Fearless13468 3 жыл бұрын
Really glad English, though less effectively, can be spoken near absolute monotone.
@Bobtheconqueror42
@Bobtheconqueror42 3 жыл бұрын
“All languages fall into one of two categories”, no, some languages have a stress accent and a pitch accent (eg: Swedish, and Norwegian), some have neither (I couldn’t find any but in theory it’s possible, although some like French have stressing but it doesn’t add any meaning to it)
@starberrysweetee1495
@starberrysweetee1495 3 жыл бұрын
@Kenura Medagedara yeah, like in Spanish, the penultimate syllable of each word is the one stressed (unless an accent indicates otherwise)
@user-ni3bj2bi4z
@user-ni3bj2bi4z 2 ай бұрын
Not to forget tonal languages... where pitch changes are lexical changes. That is pitch has a similar impact as vowel changes to the meaning of a word.
@Tuvok_Shakur
@Tuvok_Shakur 5 жыл бұрын
Now I can kind of understand what it's like to try to figure out stress accents by a native pitch accent speaker
@dan74695
@dan74695 3 жыл бұрын
Norwegian and Swedish are both pitch accent languages and stress accent languages.
@Dayanto
@Dayanto 3 жыл бұрын
​@@dan74695 Yes, but I think they meant non-stress accent languages. If a person's language only uses pitch accent, it can be difficult for them to learn how to use stress accent and vice versa. It's hard to correct something you've never learned to listen for. If you're used to both, it should be easier to learn either.
@dan74695
@dan74695 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dayanto Yeah.
@rebeccaosser4907
@rebeccaosser4907 4 жыл бұрын
It's not either stress accent or pitch accent since it's not really a one or the other thing. In swedish we use both pitch and stress, for example. And most tonal languages work differently. That being said, this was quit useful. Thank you for taking the time to explain.
@kunaldeo9679
@kunaldeo9679 5 жыл бұрын
This was really helpful, Thanks!
@mcfalcia
@mcfalcia 3 ай бұрын
Very, very cool. Love how different languages works and I actually learned a lot from this short video. Thanks!
@daniellyons6269
@daniellyons6269 5 жыл бұрын
Very well explained.
@laitsman8662
@laitsman8662 5 жыл бұрын
"Demmit" lmfo
@ChunsBuns
@ChunsBuns 4 жыл бұрын
Last year, I lost a grade on pitch-accent, even though we'd never spent any time learning it in class. It's SO hard to be concious of pitch change in your own speech with long sentences oh my goshhh
@Ajia_No_Envy
@Ajia_No_Envy 2 жыл бұрын
I know, learning languages in schools are the worst private tutors and self study are way better options
@shadowguy321
@shadowguy321 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video, thanks for making
@dan74695
@dan74695 3 жыл бұрын
Norwegian has both pitch accent and stress.
@DANGJOS
@DANGJOS 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant man! I really learned something today! I'm a native English speaker, and I didn't even know about the difference in accents changing the meanings of words, until you mentioned it. I realized that if I say CONtract, I'm referring to a binding agreement between two people. But if I say conTRACT, then I'm referring to something shrinking together. Of course, I've always spoken these differences, but I didn't even notice that I do it. So Japanese isn't the only one in which pitch changes the meaning. Good to know, thanks!!
@FDE-fw1hd
@FDE-fw1hd 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Native Japanese speakers don't really notice it that much either
@NO1xANIMExFAN
@NO1xANIMExFAN 2 жыл бұрын
well in english its the stress not the pitch
@DANGJOS
@DANGJOS 2 жыл бұрын
@@NO1xANIMExFAN Indeed. Although pitch changes can also come in conjunction with stress to emphasize different meanings and emotions in sentences in English.
@pr17815
@pr17815 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. Not trying to learn japanese but I am trying to learn a pitch accent language. As a native English speaker, I keep trying to use stress which is not right. Still struggling with it but this helped me understand why I’m not getting the pronunciation right haha
@dan74695
@dan74695 3 жыл бұрын
What language?
@Muck-qy2oo
@Muck-qy2oo 8 ай бұрын
I am just comming from another video about pitch and I am amazed how similar swedish and japanese are.
@NicoFlame9
@NicoFlame9 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@mesomaxi
@mesomaxi 3 жыл бұрын
I’m Swedish and we have pitch accent but oh god I’m not good at it, honestly mostly context for me...
@dan74695
@dan74695 3 жыл бұрын
Norwegian and Swedish have pitch accent AND stress.
@hungwaicheung1691
@hungwaicheung1691 6 жыл бұрын
はい、わかりたした。 教えてくれた、ありがとう。
@AkifromJapan
@AkifromJapan 6 жыл бұрын
どういたしまして!
@iii-zs3dz
@iii-zs3dz Жыл бұрын
I think I finally get it…in languages like English stress on a syllable makes a word sound “right” or even changes the meaning. In languages like Japanese that’s done by changing the pitch :) I hope I finally got it 😭
@tonyHHH
@tonyHHH 3 жыл бұрын
This perfectly explains why a lot of folks in my language class years ago would mispronounce Japanese syllables so often and struggled to break out of these habits (they were obviously monolingual English speakers, which accounts for a vast majority of the US population).
@LeviGarrettMonroe
@LeviGarrettMonroe 4 жыл бұрын
conTRACT, CONtract!!!
@12tanuha21
@12tanuha21 3 жыл бұрын
stress accent
@neuto
@neuto 3 жыл бұрын
lol, can't really spot the difference despite the examples. I feel like increasing loudness & length in English is mostly optional so, stressing a word/syllable still seems to depend predominantly on raising pitch in both languages. Or maybe I can't distinguish between raising pitch and raising volume at such a low level of increase.
@lokikuro4236
@lokikuro4236 11 ай бұрын
Maybe an example in english for the pitch accent, if you are strictly talking, then try to say the words "cup" and the word "cop". The first one is the higher pitch, while the later one is a lower pitch. There is other examples, but this one is quite easy to hear the difference.
@todololo1037
@todololo1037 7 күн бұрын
You are very right. The pitch is what you really need to get right for pairings like that. This is true both in Japanese and English. In a rapid conversation, like you said, we can't usually detect that level of volume increase or lengthening, but most of us can detect the change in pitch/tone. And he said that in Japanese, there's no change in volume; I am willing to bet big money that that's not true, just because of the simple fact that we project our voice differently when it comes to producing different pitches. I have a much harder time saying something loudly when I also have to keep the pitch low.
@aesc4789
@aesc4789 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if the 'research' example counted. I've never heard the word research differ as a verb or noun depending on pronunciation, to my knowledge the two are just varied pronunciations of the same word. If anyone can provide evidence where the two pronunciations are differed as verb and noun would be great.
@apo.7898
@apo.7898 6 жыл бұрын
Is there a study that measures how much the pitch is raised in Japanese and if the length of the vowels is affected at least slightly?
@AkifromJapan
@AkifromJapan 6 жыл бұрын
I don't think these is. I will do that someday when I have time
@JagoS90
@JagoS90 9 ай бұрын
The comment is very old but I hope it will help other people, the rise in pitch is about a musical fourth, maybe slightly slightly lower, if you sing a fourth it sounds good for a native. I'm a musician learning Japanese and my girlfriend is also a musician and Japanese, we noticed this pattern both together and she agrees with it.
@AlanG512
@AlanG512 3 жыл бұрын
I could barely hear a difference.
@dan74695
@dan74695 3 жыл бұрын
Norwegian also has pitch accent. Do you hear the difference between these words: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g6dmrcefy8e9kok.html
@karaqakkzl
@karaqakkzl 3 жыл бұрын
Japanese: pinch accent English: stress accent Me: tones african: click and smooch
@cheerful_crop_circle
@cheerful_crop_circle 6 ай бұрын
Japanese is also mora-timed
@lam-ben-yam4015
@lam-ben-yam4015 4 жыл бұрын
But in English we have rising pitches which change meaning for things like questions. When asking questions we raise pitch at the end of the sentence. A question without that rise can just sound like a statement. Does this mean English is both a pitch and a stress language? I'm confused.
@carloscorona3143
@carloscorona3143 4 жыл бұрын
No When you rise your pitch to ask a question it's intonation. English is not a pitch accent language, in fact, it is very difficult to hear the changes in pitch in a real Japanese conversation, whereas stress in English is not that hard to hear If English was a pitch accent language, those who speak it would be able to hear the Japanese pitch, but for most learners including me it's hard to hear.
@tomkot
@tomkot 4 жыл бұрын
So actually both languages change pitch but the difference is English ALSO changes loudness and length. Right?
@DANGJOS
@DANGJOS 3 жыл бұрын
@@dan74695 then what does?
@dan74695
@dan74695 3 жыл бұрын
Norwegian and Swedish have both stress and pitch accent.
@cheerful_crop_circle
@cheerful_crop_circle 6 ай бұрын
That is because Japanese is also a mora-timed language
@ehmega4816
@ehmega4816 6 жыл бұрын
handsome
@AkifromJapan
@AkifromJapan 6 жыл бұрын
thanx!
@exerciserelax8719
@exerciserelax8719 4 жыл бұрын
Is pitch accent the same for men and women?
@333DOT.
@333DOT. 4 жыл бұрын
no its reversed. girls candy is rain and mens rain is candy
@rosenberry9150
@rosenberry9150 Жыл бұрын
English is also kind of distinct like Spanish, the placement of the stress can change the meaning of a word or even an entire whole sentence, most other languages aren't like this, though this doesn't apply for writing because the most known examples are differenciated by different spellings like e.g. incite vs insight, though this doesn't happen at a very high or medium rate but rather medium-low, unlike spanish which has a normal concentration of stress placement changing the word's meaning like any other *stress phonemic languages* (implying languages that if the stress is placed somewhere else but the pronounciation is the same, the meaning could change)
@cheerful_crop_circle
@cheerful_crop_circle 6 ай бұрын
Perhaps
@bobbie5646
@bobbie5646 5 жыл бұрын
If the difference is only on tone, why don't we just say tone language and intonation language? Since pitch is also an important indicator of stress, pitch rising also means that the syllable receive prominence/stress.
@heinzmustermann8416
@heinzmustermann8416 5 жыл бұрын
Because that is another type of language. Whereas the pitchaccent is on the basis of a whole word, or in other words syllables(or in the example of Japanese Kana) only have a diference in pitch compared to other syllables, whereas in a tonal language each syllable has a certain shift of pitch it has in itself
@fencserx9423
@fencserx9423 2 жыл бұрын
Pitch stress is how you speak Californian
@kne5829
@kne5829 3 жыл бұрын
言葉は難しいもんだな
@atsukorichards1675
@atsukorichards1675 Жыл бұрын
その上、『はし』『あめ』は地方によって反対になったりしますものね。
@shadowpastathetf2kidwithau706
@shadowpastathetf2kidwithau706 Жыл бұрын
Heh.......(hjelp meg)
@hcm9999
@hcm9999 2 жыл бұрын
I am against this obsession with accent. There is no need to study accent. Because there is no such a thing as correct accent. Let's think about English. Which accent is the correct one: American, British or Australian? The answer is that all accents are perfectly valid and none of them is wrong, none is them is the correct one. Because there is no such a thing as correct accent. In Japanese the accent the foreigners usually hear the most is the Tokyo accent. That is the accent you hear in films and TV and anime. But that is just simply the Tokyo accent. Tokyo is the capital of Japan, the most powerful region, politically and economically. So its accent is usually what you hear the most. But it is not the correct one, because there is no such a thing as correct accent. Each region of Japan has its own accent, even its own dialect or language. So the pronunciation and accent is different. And none of them is wrong, none of them is the correct one. Foreigners will always speak with a very characteristic accent. From Arnold Schwarzenegger to Sofia Vergara, they speak English with a very characteristic accent. And that is completely fine, there is no need for them to dominate a certain accent. There is no need for an American to learn British accent. As long as he is able to communicate with native British people, he can continue to use his own American accent. Foreigners who come to Japan and learn Japanese usually speak with a very strong accent. But as long as they can communicate with the locals, there is no need to change their accent. And even if you could dominate a certain accent, different regions of Japan use a completely different accent. What are you going to do? Learn all accents of all regions of Japan? What for? It is completely useless, pointless, unnecessary and stupid. And accent is something you learn automatically, unconsciously and effortless. All you need to do is interact with the native locals and you will end up assimilating their accent. Americans who have lived a long time in the UK end up assimilating the British accent. It is a natural and automatic process. Nobody goes to school just to learn the British accent.
@jakubadamczyk1523
@jakubadamczyk1523 Жыл бұрын
You mixed up "accent" as dialect with "accent" as way of pronouncing syllables.
@hcm9999
@hcm9999 Жыл бұрын
@@jakubadamczyk1523 Accent, pronunciation, dialect, they are all related and interconnected. Think about the difference between British English and American English. It is not just pronunciation. Vocabulary, even grammar may be different. Any video that talks about "correct" pronunciation will inevitably depict a particular accent of a particular dialect, because that is the one the video author knows. But that doesn't mean that pronunciation is the correct one. That pronunciation is simply specific to that particular accent.
@channeldoesnotexist
@channeldoesnotexist Жыл бұрын
@@hcm9999 I found your thoughts on this to be very well thought out. I'm interested in studying linguistics in the future. What university did you attend? Can you recommend any programs?
@hcm9999
@hcm9999 Жыл бұрын
@@channeldoesnotexist I study languages as a hobby, not at the university.
@sopaipillapesadilla7023
@sopaipillapesadilla7023 4 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how japanese is NOT a tonal language if clearly, the same exact word pronounced in two different inflections means two different things..
@alejrandom6592
@alejrandom6592 4 жыл бұрын
A pitch-accent language is a language that has word-accents-that is, where one syllable in a word or morpheme is more prominent than the others, but the accentuated syllable is indicated by a particular pitch contour (linguistic tones) rather than by stress. This contrasts with fully tonal languages like Standard Chinese, in which each syllable can have an independent tone.
@PassionPno
@PassionPno 3 жыл бұрын
Just go learn Mandarin and then move on to Japanese, you'll get why Japanese is not a tonal language.
@sopaipillapesadilla7023
@sopaipillapesadilla7023 3 жыл бұрын
@@alejrandom6592 thank you! I think I understand now
@dan74695
@dan74695 3 жыл бұрын
@@alejrandom6592 Norwegian and Swedish have pitch accent AND stress.
@michellehung6794
@michellehung6794 3 жыл бұрын
oh no i'm learning japanese rn and i thought japanese won't have pitch accent like chinese T-T
@kevinscales
@kevinscales 3 жыл бұрын
It's not as important as in Chinese, you can be understood without it (it just won't sound great and Japanese people may assume you don't understand them if you have a strong foreign accent). Just being aware of pitch accent and being able to hear the difference between the different patterns will allow you to pick it up (and notice you are doing it wrong) when speaking.
@phantasystar88
@phantasystar88 3 жыл бұрын
Chinese is a tonal language, where Japanese is a pitch accent language.
@dan74695
@dan74695 3 жыл бұрын
Norwegian and Swedish also have pitch accent.
@cheerful_crop_circle
@cheerful_crop_circle 6 ай бұрын
Pitch accent languages are similar to non-tonal languages in the spirit. It has nothing in common with tones
@cheerful_crop_circle
@cheerful_crop_circle 6 ай бұрын
​@@phantasystar88Pitch accent is in between a normal stress language and a tonal language
@alejrandom6592
@alejrandom6592 4 жыл бұрын
0:44 not all languages, e.g. french and chinese
@k_airo
@k_airo 4 жыл бұрын
Languages like Chinese (Mandarin/Cantonese), Thai and Vietnamese have tonal accents instead. I'm not sure about French though
@infiresmaaan4360
@infiresmaaan4360 4 жыл бұрын
Does korean fall into one of them?
@Jamie-ht1hd
@Jamie-ht1hd 4 жыл бұрын
Infires Maaan I believe Korean is pitch accented but I could be wrong!
@infiresmaaan4360
@infiresmaaan4360 4 жыл бұрын
Jamie I honestly don't know even though i speak korean. But I don't think its pitch accented though, bc literally every word follows the same intonation pattern. It might sometimes be stress accented but i can't really think of any example. I'd be surprised if it is either one of them.
@hiswieder9398
@hiswieder9398 3 жыл бұрын
​@@infiresmaaan4360 Standard Korean uses pitch only for prosodic. So, you can congize Korean as non-pitch accent language but some dialects retain pitch-accent system.
@lynkkx
@lynkkx 4 жыл бұрын
just like how every native can tell this guy has an obvious asian accent or way of pronouncing words, its pitch accent for us in japanese lol.
@khongkokwai
@khongkokwai 2 жыл бұрын
I think Malay and English speakers have the same problem.
@WalkandSki
@WalkandSki 5 жыл бұрын
hahaha chinese has no difficulty for that XD
@lucasbeloti6431
@lucasbeloti6431 4 жыл бұрын
grammar tho
@lucasbeloti6431
@lucasbeloti6431 4 жыл бұрын
@@lorax121323 I was talking about the Chinese guy, who even tho has an easier time pronouncing stuff, has not that good of a grammar.
@nomongosinthaworld
@nomongosinthaworld 5 жыл бұрын
今まで見た日本人の中で一番英語完璧
@nondescriptnyc
@nondescriptnyc 2 жыл бұрын
Somebody forgot the entire category of languages: Tonal Languages…
@markvis4106
@markvis4106 2 жыл бұрын
this is completely not true FYI you can use only stress to accentuate japanese words . unless you can point me to where in your alphabet there is a particle with a pitch accent what you are saying is completely false.
@user-sp4if8vc8t
@user-sp4if8vc8t 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry! Japanese is a semi-tonal language or simply tonal language, because İ hear the sound that silmilar to tonal language. (All language have pitch speaking. Please! change your thinking.)
@AkaiNiwatori1
@AkaiNiwatori1 5 жыл бұрын
Semi Tonal or pitch oriented. Most people will refer to these things within the context of pitch and not tones. Also, try using "give it a second thought". "Change your thinking" is unnatural and sounds rude.
@heinzmustermann8416
@heinzmustermann8416 4 жыл бұрын
No, Pitch-accent is the official term for those kind of languages, it is not a semo-tonal language. And no, they are not the same to tonal languages. Tones affect single syllables, whereas pitch accent languages have "only" the pitch of a syllable(in the example of japanese: mora) compared to the one before or after
@YukiKawaiiDesu
@YukiKawaiiDesu 4 жыл бұрын
you dumb bruh
@NateWithWho
@NateWithWho 3 жыл бұрын
Tonal language is pretty strict in tone of the word. Even when used in music, you can't use a certain word to sing a certain note because e.g. low tone word won't go with high pitch sound and vice versa. But Japanese or English can place any words into any music notes, and thus they are completely non tonal language.
@cheerful_crop_circle
@cheerful_crop_circle 6 ай бұрын
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