By the way 橋　is Hash pronounced like you are yakuza. 箸　is just Hashi (no one agreed).

The first part...absolutely relatable!! BE-GIN-NER

@@aajohnsoutube hashi with devoiced is masculine

@@prezentoappr1171 lol. I was like、Ok 箸 is “Hash!” More laughter.

> the more I learn the more I emphasize “beginner” In other words, the Dunning-Kruger affect

His pronunciation is really good.

@@peterfireflylund yea no he is English, So that makes sense

英語上手

​@@RulerQfEverything He's English? Wow, his American accent is really good.

@@Dealanach yeah he is English, He is just very very good at Japanese

Damn bro, how you holding up?

Same. Half a decade for me, but still... 😐

Same! I came to this channel for the memes, but stayed for the soul crushing existential crises.

It gets easier the more languages you learn. To deal with the knowledge that you'll never quite reach fluency, is what I mean.

4 years here...

どんな風に？

Duolingo is absolute garbage for Japanese, they put those 'new' voices in a year ago and their pitch accent is totally wrong on a lot of words and they even use the completely wrong kanji pronunciation on a lot of words. I just had to disable sound when using it duolingo, it was so annoying. (Recently they even started animating the characters while you're trying to read, which makes it incredibly difficult to read Kanji when you're eyes kept getting drawn to the animation. Basically makes the site useless)

@@takanara7 that's an exaggeration

@@stephenc909 exaggeration or not they're not lying, duolingo still sucks for japanese.

@@MoonMarshmallowit doesn’t suck at all lmao obviously it’s not perfect but it has good resources especially the comments and idk wtf this dude is on about with the animations or whatever u sound like u need some adderall u got adhd or something my guy

I use Duolingo strictly as a fancy version of flash cards. It’s absolute garbage for learning a language. But it’s a great tool to build confidence and reinforce things you already know and get a good semblance of how far along you are

The circumflex (^) in French writing notes a place where a word used to have a consonant that is no longer pronounced and so it was dropped from the spelling of the word. The reason for the ^ is that the word is pronounced differently than it would be if no ^ was present. In other words, the missing consonant is no longer pronounced but the fact that it used to exist still affects the pronunciation of the word so the circumflex is added to avoid ambiguity. That said, the circumflex originated in written Ancient Greek and was used as a pitch accent marker there (Ancient Greek was a pitch accent language). So the symbol does sometimes relate to pitch accent; just not in French (since French doesn't use a pitch accent).

@@mikebmcl some exhibit circumflex even though the etymology doesn't contain -s this is from the word egg in french vid by k klein

@@argyrendehringterimksaccu174 I said consonant, not 's'. Often it is 's', but not exclusively. It doesn't really matter which consonant it was though, just the fact that there was one.

@@mikebmcl guess you didn't even check the k Klein video about egg with circumflex, some comment there listed a word that doesn't have and s in it's older form in etymology I've checked Wiktionary and it's true. We use circumflex e for schwa but in Javanese they uses inverted breve, acute for /e/ grave for the ɔ in kokoh

I guess you're right. I've also heard children's songs were composed so that accents and melodies match. Please try listening to the song "Karatachi no Hana".

Pitch Accent of words is changed in songs to fit the melody that the artist wants. Music is super fun to listen to, but for this reason it's best to listen to natural, unscripted Japanese (like KZfaq videos or podcasts) if you want to improve your listening comprehension. Anime, Dramas, and Audiobooks are also really good resource; just remember that they're scripted and the formality/register of speech that you hear is not going to be the exact same as actual speech (however the pronunciation and accent will be spot on because it's all professionally done by voice actors).

@@XgamersXdimensions I'm with you. A song can benefit greatly from word choice with different accents from the melody. What I meant in the previous comment was that word choice is 'affected' by pitch accent to some extent. I've heard a lyricist mention something like that on the radio. I also heard that songs for elementary school pupils called Shooka(唱歌) were composed in accordance with the accents. Finally, if I had to say something regarding how to learn pitch accent, I would recommend to Japanese learners an online Japanese lessons by NHK WORLD JAPAN which have scripts with accent marks in every sentence.

Yup some word change some don't demand, project, desert, umfahren, übersetzen, kaki in Japanese

@@argyrendehringterimksaccu174 MatcchelMiudemadeu

That is almost entirely verb-noun, though, where all that changes is whether the word is used as a verb or as a noun. In Japanese it can be to differentiate between nouns, which I don't think happens in English (it might in rare cases). A good European equivalent is Greek, where for example ταξί and τάξη are different and differentiated in speech only by their accent (ι and η are pronounced the same, so it's as if it were taxee and taxi).

複合語の場合は後ろが上がります。 雨以外でも同じことがおきます。 雨が降っている　Ame 明日は雨だよ　Ame 天気予報は雨マーク　aME 雨模様　aME 雨上がり　aME 箸を置く　HAsiwooKU 箸置き　haSIOki 猫の耳　NEkonomiMI 猫耳　neKOMIMI また「っぽい」の前にくる単語は大抵尾高になります

@@3wako なるほど。ありがとうございます!　失礼ですが日本人ですか。

@@DANGJOS 日本人です。日本語でしか説明出来なくてすみません。 方言ではイントネーション（ピッチアクセント）も変わってきて、日本人同士でも違いを面白がったりもします。

Pitch accent is a change in pitch alone, stress accent can be a change in length, pitch, volume, degree of articulation, or some combination of those.

While it can be mapped in a similar way graphically, the Japanese syllables always are pronounced with consistent timing between them regardless of pitch since syllable length is almost important for distinguishing different words. English stress usually slightly lengthens the stressed syllable as well as the volume of the specific syllable. Pitch Accent also varies depending on regional Japanese accents, but English stress is a bit more consistent even across accents.

mandarin isn’t a pitch accent language, it’s a tonal language

@@ErikaCartet hm. Sure enough, learned something new today. That means my comment makes sense, but was also dead ass wrong 😂 I think now I would say that a pitch accent lies somewhere between a tonal and stressed language, adding a tonal "pitch" on the stressed syllable? Idk, I feel like I'm cheating because it feels like I'm mostly using stress to mimic pitch accent, so I'm tryna make it make sense

@@ErikaCartet and what's worse is I took three years of mandarin in high school, and still forgot it was a tonal language. Somewhere along the line I forgot tonal language was a thing and assumed that's what pitch accent was referring to

@@g45h96 hey! wasn’t expecting to revive this conversation. i’m glad you took my comment at face value as just a clarifying correction in passing, and not trying to be all “well, actually 🤓👆” sounding haha i actually don’t think your original (or follow-up) comment was a too far-off way of looking at things. it seems like a lot of japanese learners either view pitch accent as something entirely foreign to them as an english speaker, or they map english stress accent onto japanese words because to them it doesn’t feel like there’s a difference, when it’s really something in-between. in both cases, an accent is just a way of giving prominence to a certain part of a word. in stress accent languages, a syllable is stressed by modulating the volume, length, and pitch of that part of the word - not necessarily all three, but at least volume or length. in english, the stressed syllable is louder, longer, and a higher pitch (though i have heard there’s at least one dialect where the pitch is lower). japanese, on the other hand, has pitch accent, which means only the pitch changes between mora. all mora are given the same length within the word whether they are accented or not. if you were to use english stress accent instead while speaking, even if you were using correct vowel sounds and pitch, you would still sound somewhat off because you aren’t saying words with a natural japanese rhythm (i think you’d be able to get away with it if you just stressed the mora by saying it louder than the rest, but i mean if you did the whole louder AND elongated english stress thing). in either language, the intonation of a speaker means that their volume and pitch may rise and fall while speaking, but as shown here, individual words still retain the same pattern of stress or pitch, and the overall changes in intonation within a sentence aren’t going to suddenly change what syllable or mora is accented within a word. tonal languages describe something different, though it also relates to pitch. rather than pitch accent, which describes the pattern of how pitch changes within a word, a tone describes the pattern of how pitch changes within a syllable. this means a tonal language can have stress accent or no accent. for example, mandarin speakers in parts of china may speak with a stress accent by elongating one syllable of the word (stress-timed), but mandarin speakers in taiwan give syllables equal length (syllable-timed, similar to how japanese is mora-timed) and so words are generally accentless. and again, intonation also exists on top of tone and accents, so it’s another layer that may change the pitch, volume, etc of a speaker’s voice even if the actual pattern of tone within a syllable or accent within the word remains the same. i’m not as well-versed in linguistics as i would like to be, and this was kinda wordy, but hopefully it helped to further your understanding somewhat haha!

Accent means marking a syllable or mora in speech. This can be done by pronouncing it longer (quantitative accent), with more loudness (stress accent), or with an audibly different frequency from surrounding syllables/morae (pitch accent), or with a combination thereof

Pitch accent is changing the pitch based on the accented syllable/mora. The rest of the syllables tend to be in one pitch while the accented syllable is in a different one. In Japanese, most of the word is low while the accent is high-pitched. In other languages, there might be 3 levels or rising and falling pitches during one syllable. It's like raising the pitch at the end of a question sentence, but as a way of displaying accent in a word.

Nice comparison. You'll get there with exposure and once in a while brushing up on the theory, I think.

Accent, Japanese is not a stress language

@@XGD5layer what category does "ME" in aMErica fall into? stress or accent?

@@EvgenyUskov Stress. English is a stress language

@@XGD5layer hmm... does not sound like there is any difference between them

@@EvgenyUskov Simply put, stress changes the loudness, pitch and length of the syllable. Compare CONtract and conTRACT. The pitch accents of は\し (HL) and は/し (LH) are different but strength and length doesn't change even if the pitch does.

Nobody said it's tonal, pitch accent is not the same as a tonal language. Ancient Greek was also pitch accent based, he's not "making it a thing" you Neanderthal.

Is this some kind of weird joke, or maybe you're a Dogen's original stalker, or somebody has really fυсκed your brain up that badly? 🤔

Every language has a way of intonation what are you talking about? You may haven't noticed it, but English has a certain pitch accent. You wouldn't make sense/ sound funny if you were to say it in a wrong pitch accent.

why you so ignorant mate

Yes, Japanese is a pitch accented language. Ask anyone who has studied Japanese linguistics. You are correct that it's not a tonal language. But the pitch accents matter. If you don't use correct pitch accents (at least consistent with a single dialect) you will probably be understood but sound very non-native and will create a lot of cognitive load on native speakers trying to understand you.