I appreciate that @ryumoto

Couldn't agree more! If the reliability of the Fazua Ride 60 pans out, this will be the king of Mid.

For sure. I do a lot of my testing at Santa Teresa Park and Calero Park.

Coming soon! I'm riding both a ton now!!!

I think I already know how the story ends. “The AM is heavier and thus less playful, but more powerful and goes all day. AM longer travel can charge down the rough stuff. In the end all depends on where and how the rider likes to ride.” How did I do? 😂

That's one of the reported issues that i heard about. Dragginess caused by an errant torque sensor. The other problems are with the ring controller. I believe they are discussed here in this Facebook Group facebook.com/groups/pivotshuttlesl

My understanding is that 60nm is only available for a few seconds, but for sustained riding, the max is 50nm.

Noted

BTW a proper bike review, unlike those polished music videos that are basically just ads, keep it up!!

Great share!!!! What size is your stem?

@@EMTBReview 32mm stem. I prefer a bit more agile bike vs just plain DH - especially on an e-bike. I am converting it to a mullet this week which should slacken the HA a bit.

Love at first sight and then heartbreak hotel. Sigh.

This 👍😭. I need tons of OT for this. Very helpful review like your other posts.

Negotiate 10-15% off or ask them to price match another shop.

@@EMTBReview a rollercoaster of emotions! 😆

I've had both. The Shuttle SL is one of the best handling bikes I've ever ridden. At least regular trail riding. It 'feels' like an analog bike with a little assist. The only drawback in the Fazua motor which is extremely buggy and the ring controller which is terrible. I loved my Rise M10. I don't think it is as sharp handling as the Pivot, but it isn't far off. The biggest upside over the Pivot is the Shimano is way more powerful and seems to have a lot less issues, especially if you don't unlock it.

I don’t intend to unlock. This is very useful. Thanks!@@smckenna12

I've been trying to get that bike in my upcoming mid-power bike shootout but no bike yet.

@@EMTBReview ok hopefully you get it but looking forward to the shooout either way thanks

Be great to see@@EMTBReview I bet it'll be a rocket ship, but use a decent % of the (relatively small) battery. Be good to see it tested at a lower tune (maybe how the are shipping it?), kind-of emulating the Orbea w/EP8RS See if the big motor - flatter torque range pans out here too...

Yes, most definitely. They capped the torque at 60 nm but what that means is it has a very flat torque curve that hits 60nm early and stays there for a wide range of rpms. So it seems to handle tough loads with ease as it just hums along and actually doesn't consume too much power. The only mystery is why no other bike manufacturer other than Orbea used a detuned Shimano EP8

@@EMTBReview while the power is great compared to other 50-60nm motors I feel that the Shimano RS is less appealing because it’s 0.8kg more than true mid power/SL motors. If it has the full weight of a full power motor give me all the power! Now Orbea have a 540Wh battery option a non RS motor should be possible. Many options and trade offs for sure (in theory anyway). Orbea did a great job making a light bike despite the higher motor weight. Maybe not many other companies see it as worthwhile or possible with their concept. The Giant Elite concept of full power with modular approach for range with modest battery plus extender makes sense to me if you want lightish weight bike with a full motor. More weight than a true SL but the difference is very small in actual ride feel on most trails. Maybe it’s the Goldilocks approach, time will tell if more bike options appear to judge more than one brands attempt. I haven’t found the lower weight enough of an upside to offset the reduced power compared to my Levo Gen3 but super interested as new options come along. Oh and the new pinion MGU with a belt would be cool in my often muddy trails.

@@glencompton2949 agree and probably why Orbea were the only brand to use it, as they were one of the early SL. I suspect a lot was down to timing with new tech coming out. TQ, Fazua & Brose. It is surprising how it’s one of the lighter bikes though, it must have cost them quite a bit extra in high grade carbon and part upgrades to lower the overall weight.

@@EMTBReview I nearly purchased an Orbea Rise M10 in goblin green, but with so many new e-bike innovations recently I’ve held fire for a deal. I really like the Pivot SL with Fazua but it’s expensive. Rise or EXE might be the value option.

Possibility. I will test. For this course though, 29er has little effect since it's just flat and steep. No roots, rocks, bumps.

I'm a huge believer in Versions when it comes to ebikes because there is so much to develop and learn. So for emtbs, Specialized is farther along than Santa Cruz, especially with mid-power bikes. They're in their 4th year already on the Levo SL and the new one is very good. Santa Cruz just entered with their Heckler SL and it seems like a very good effort. Geometry and ride quality are spot on. The Fazua Ride 60 is a better motor too with better power and range. It just needs to prove its longevity and reliability.

@@EMTBReview thank you for your honesty. Keep up the good great content

I’m 3 months into Specialized Levo sl comp carbon and love it. Zero issues, lots of adjustability, 42.44 pounds with pedals.

@@mikelesh9513 how is the noise from the new levo sl motor ? Does it ever get annoying? I know it’s much less then the previous motor.

I hear you. My point is the Pivot Shuttle SL came out first as it was released in late 2022. The Transition Relay came out 6 months later. The Heckler SL uses the same motor and came out Sept, 2022

@@EMTBReview The Heckler just came out.. In 2023! Maybe you need to be more careful with your reviews as its a little disengenuous to pretend certain bikes we released before others. And release dates are far different than market availability

@@QuakFu Perhaps Francis deserves a little more appreciation for his efforts to help us make informed decisions. It’s likely just a typo on the Heckler SL release year. It’s pretty easy to understand if you’re not trying to find fault. The point he was making is that Pivot was the first to release a bike with the Fazua motor in the U.S. that a consumer could actually buy. I appreciate the knowledge he shares, and he’s professional enough to reply with kindness when some don’t give him the same courtesy. Sorry for the rant, but Francis doesn’t deserve the snarky comments for the time and effort he puts into trying to help his viewers.