Pixar and the Obsolete | Big Joel

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Big Joel

Big Joel

7 жыл бұрын

Pixar is obsessed with its characters worrying about the future, worrying that a day will come when they're no longer useful. These is a deep dive analysis of why this is, particularly in Up, Toy Story, and Wall-E
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@kaylahouvenagle3866
@kaylahouvenagle3866 6 жыл бұрын
I love how he ignores the second car movie
@ShnobbsReal
@ShnobbsReal 6 жыл бұрын
Kayla Houvenagle and Big Hero 6.
@pokeaust7800
@pokeaust7800 6 жыл бұрын
Shnobbs Man Big Hero 6 is Disney, not Pixar, but I see the confusion
@CrazyLikeUhFox
@CrazyLikeUhFox 6 жыл бұрын
We all ignore the second cars movie.
@emilyk6774
@emilyk6774 6 жыл бұрын
what second car movie
@lowgunfire2671
@lowgunfire2671 6 жыл бұрын
Sigh, blind Cars 2 haters. Idiots. You do know that the villains of the 2nd movie are victims of shunning because of their own obsoleteness? Cars 2 is the best Pixar movie to date.
@neonlemurs4865
@neonlemurs4865 6 жыл бұрын
All dreamworks movies are about not having to conform to what people expect of you.
@flapadodawhitewoods5670
@flapadodawhitewoods5670 6 жыл бұрын
Should be top comment.
6 жыл бұрын
I feel they move a lot towards family issues, too. Shrek 2 and 3 are all about parenting and marriage. How to Train Your Dragon also talks about family traditions and a complete life turn about Hiccup's parents. Kung Fu Panda jokes about Po's origin at first, but it develops to become the main focus of the next two movies. Over the Hedge also is about the pertenence of a family and backstabbing, and so on. The Croods, too, has a big focus on family and orders. I feel Dreamworks gets greatly underappreciated. Movies like Megamind don't get the representation they deserve, and most of the time it isn't taken as a serious studio because there's always a Disney/Pixar movie out there to beat them. Sure, they have mediocre and bad movies like Sharktales, Boss Baby or Bee Movie, but overall they are a great studio with excellent adult jokes, character developement and storytelling which even Disney constantly lacks of.
@PianoMastR64
@PianoMastR64 6 жыл бұрын
Bee Movie wasn't bad. It was just a "B" movie.
@darkmyro
@darkmyro 6 жыл бұрын
I think we can all agree that Sony animation is 50/50( cloudy with a chance, Hotel Transylvania are good, everything else is kinda bad) and illumination kinda sucks (except sing, that's good) and blue sky animation( ice age movies, rio movies, the peanuts movie and ferdinand) are okay
@magic75450
@magic75450 6 жыл бұрын
Mabye, but isn't it also Disney's approach? -Moana is expected to be a princess and stay on the island, but she leaves for an adventure. -In Brave they expect the girl to be a princess, but she wants to be a warrior. -Ralph is expected to be the villian, but he wants to be a good guy. -Rapunzel is expected by her "mother" to be loyal to her, but she isn't.
@danjalwaziri1657
@danjalwaziri1657 6 жыл бұрын
I actually saw most of the Pixar films as dealing with ADULT fear, not childhood anxiety. The feeling of being made obsolete without much control about it is somethig that adults face to an even greater extent than kids. Children may fear the rapid changes they get put through by seemingly uncaring adults, but adults really get hit hard by these changes: Economy, Job Loss, changing roles due to age (which are a mixture of biological changes and external societal norms)... To me most of the Pixar films deal with a version of these issues (at least in part). Woody in Toy Story 1 is basically afraid of losing his job, due to a restructuring of his workplace that he cannot control. The small town in Cars is hit heavy by changes in the economy. Carls life changes for the worse (at first) due to him getting older and society moving on without him. These are very real and understandable fears associated with adult life. Pixar to me does not so much address the fears of children, but attempts to prepare them for these things in a way they can understand and cope with.
@saturnine.
@saturnine. 5 жыл бұрын
Danjal Waziri - Yeah I agree with this - I’ve kind of come to conclusion that Pixar makes movies for adults under the guise of cute Disney-type animation. Not to say Disney hasn’t made some strong message films, but I feel like many more adults have strong feelings about Pixar movies than their kids.
@Icybubba
@Icybubba 5 жыл бұрын
@@saturnine. Disney has made stuff like Wreck it Ralph, Big Hero 6, Lilo & Stitch, and of course The Lion King which all honestly feel like Pixar style movies. But of course they've also made stuff like Tangled and Frozen.
@chuckbatman5
@chuckbatman5 4 жыл бұрын
I think they can be doing both, the fears Pixar films present can apply to children as much as adults. However the way they are presented offers far more long-lasting emotional resonance than the arcs of most Disney films. Because the ideas they present and things they deal with are more mature, they hold more emotional value to adults and older adolescents. Some of their films are even more enjoyable as adults, such as The Incredibles. Not that the way Disney does storytelling doesn't have a purpose, but the way Pixar does it feels aimed to hit a wider audience than just children
@edenland2961
@edenland2961 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, well said
@coolfred9083
@coolfred9083 3 жыл бұрын
This is why pixar is so great. The stories can be enjoyed by both children and adults.
@falkofscrum
@falkofscrum 6 жыл бұрын
Well, Pixar's latest film "Coco" kinda follows both a Pixar AND a Disney formula. It's about a boy who is not allowed to play music, but he wants to (Disney), and about the passed family members who wants to be remembered (Pixar).
@kevinlittrell7501
@kevinlittrell7501 5 жыл бұрын
don't even mention that movie, I can't even think about it without having to hold in the waterworks lol
@koboldcatgirl
@koboldcatgirl 5 жыл бұрын
They're merging.
@Carmenifold
@Carmenifold 5 жыл бұрын
man, i hadn't even thought of coco's role in this formula. but i'd say the pixar-ness shines through wayyyy more. i mean the world is based on people who are dead! that's the ultimate form of becoming obsolete. not only that but these dead people "die" for real when they're forgotten. they fear that total obsolescence in the same way we fear death. obsolescence is built into the world at its very core, specifically the obsolescence that comes with being forgotten. i'd even say miguel's core desire to play music despite it not being allowed is rooted in obsolescence too. he's worried that music, furthermore his dreams of being a musician, will become obsolete. the conflict itself is based on the actions of a family member who is becoming obselete, as well.
@Icybubba
@Icybubba 5 жыл бұрын
@@koboldcatgirl Have to make room for Blue Sky somehow
@MegaKaitouKID1412
@MegaKaitouKID1412 5 жыл бұрын
@@Carmenifold THIS, but also, Migel's goal of being a musician didn't exactly get fulfilled. Yes, the ban on music in his family ended, but Migel also learned to let go of the role he built up in his head for his life as a superstar musician one day and put value on the family he'd be resenting and working together with them.
@eggynack
@eggynack 7 жыл бұрын
What I really like about this video is that, where most analysis of Pixar focuses on how it manages to appeal to an adult audience, or how it finds emotional resonance with people of all ages, this focuses squarely on how Pixar hits home for children, the ostensible target audience of their work. Not to say Pixar isn't great for us older folk. Pixar has been, with a few exceptions, awesome for just about anyone who watches. But it's an angle that I feel has been underrepresented, and this video makes a great case for it.
@DarthCalculus
@DarthCalculus 6 жыл бұрын
Edgar Nackenson it seems that Pixar's fear of obsolescence theme is more relevant to adults. Now that I'm grown up I don't feel like I have a whole new world to explore. I'm there already and I'm happy in my role.
@BigJoel
@BigJoel 6 жыл бұрын
This man, edgar, he is my brother. I am proud of him for getting top comment.
@kevinlittrell7501
@kevinlittrell7501 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the case of moving especially as a kid is a lot harder to process than as an adult. For one, its not so much the choice of the kid as it is the parents, which isn't meant to sound bad, just kids don't really have the responsibility of taking care of stuff like that. I know especially as a kid the feeling of obsoleteness in terms of going away from a place I had grown used to and moving to a place I had no prior emotional or social connections to. I think also think with adults, they can at least understand and know what they're going through. When you're a kid, you're going through those emotions for the first time, at least making sense of them can be overwhelming.
@SilenceOase
@SilenceOase Жыл бұрын
@@BigJoel Wholesome as hell
@calicoc1335
@calicoc1335 6 жыл бұрын
So... Pixar tells the story of Zuko and Disney tells the story of Katara?
@BigJoel
@BigJoel 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, and while I didn't mention it, Sokka is dreamworks.
@shneancy220
@shneancy220 6 жыл бұрын
that's just perfect
@thatboringone7851
@thatboringone7851 6 жыл бұрын
So, what's Aang? Toph? .... Iroh?
@missingno9
@missingno9 6 жыл бұрын
ThatBoringOne Iroh is Studio Ghibli, perhaps?
@CrabTastingMan
@CrabTastingMan 6 жыл бұрын
What do you mean when you say, "Sokka = Dreamworks"? A trashy inconsequential comedy that specializes in being funny, but remains shallow... most of the time?
@Jjrmtv
@Jjrmtv 6 жыл бұрын
While Disney is fantastic of establishing a stable narrative from well know stories, Pixar creates new ones, with such tenderness and intelligence. Yes, I like Disney, but the desert island test? Pixar all the way
@sebastien-loikntsangou-kan5264
@sebastien-loikntsangou-kan5264 6 жыл бұрын
Viking12 I agree but isn't Pixar a subsidiary of Disney?
@areebkhan9547
@areebkhan9547 6 жыл бұрын
the best example of obsolete can be seen in COCO where the whole movie revolves around the sunject of being remembered
@funkyjbass7762
@funkyjbass7762 6 жыл бұрын
Actually I was thinking Coco is quite a mix of both. The dead characters are all about being remembered - not becoming obsolete, but the main character Miguel is all the "i want more" from Disney. I think there might be a creative and culture clash now that Disney own Pixar.
@jcdf2
@jcdf2 6 жыл бұрын
Pixar is only able to do that because it is a new company (relative to Disney). Once a big organization becomes set in its ways change rarely happens.
@jackkeenan4616
@jackkeenan4616 6 жыл бұрын
what test?
@davidgold3nrose
@davidgold3nrose 6 жыл бұрын
The inside out one sounds like grasping at Straws: especially when you consider that Riley is growing out of her childhood. Joy no longer holds the same roll she used to. Bingbong and a lot of childhood memories are becoming obsolete. It's there, but you focused on the control panel
@HenryHaigh
@HenryHaigh 6 жыл бұрын
Inside Out has so many layers. To view it as one dimension in that the control panel is obsolete is wrong, yes. However, to overlook what that old control panel represents is also wrong. The old control panel is her childhood. You can make just as strong of a point that her childhood is obsolete, but it would be so long winded. His theory is far more prominent and easy to explain in other films, such as up and toy story. Inside out is a rarity in that it hosts multiple intertwining story lines, much like great films such as Dunkirk, Pulp Fiction and Snatch. They all share the multiple story line narrative but none, i don't think anyway, are as tight as between Joy's story and Riley's. It is a film that is so clever before you even look at the delivery of the film. It is a winner straight of the bat, the perfect elevator pitch. So complex yet easy to watch that to begin to analyse on any kind of deeper level is a huge, huge task. I think that's why he chose to go for something simpler and that got his point across for this essay in a much more punctual way.
@jeromealday614
@jeromealday614 4 жыл бұрын
Omg, yes. I mean why the control panel? Joy is getting obsolete and you focused on a goddamn control panel?!
@tonoornottono
@tonoornottono Жыл бұрын
@@jeromealday614 i can’t imagine being angry at big joel
@DeWessel97
@DeWessel97 6 жыл бұрын
Aren't Disney and Pixar kinda like the saying: Change what you can't accept and accept what you can't change. Accepting something is like changing something within yourself, whereas changing what you can't accept is more like having an external influence. Also all that obsolete talk reminds me of The impermanence of things, one of the three marks of existence in Buddhism.
@TheRoomforImprovement
@TheRoomforImprovement 5 жыл бұрын
Disney is the optimist Pixar is the realist Both are necessary in life.
@CarlsCozyCorner
@CarlsCozyCorner 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. You watch a Disney movie when you feel down on your luck and need someone to give you a hug and tell you not to give up. You watch a Pixar movie to understand where you are right now, and what to do about it.
@emmy8961
@emmy8961 3 жыл бұрын
Totally! This made me think of a quote from modern family: “There are dreamers and there are realists in this world. You'd think the dreamers would find the dreamers and the realists would find the realists, but more often than not the opposite is true. You see, the dreamers need the realists to keep them from soaring too close to the sun. And the realists, well without the dreamers, they might not ever get off the ground.” -Cam, s03e09 modern family
@renaigh
@renaigh 2 жыл бұрын
I'd Argue Dreamworks is the Optimist.
@Sadie-rai
@Sadie-rai 2 жыл бұрын
@@renaigh dreamworks is just the deviant
@user-dy2ss1ru2x
@user-dy2ss1ru2x Жыл бұрын
Ghibli is awesome
@sarrakitty
@sarrakitty 6 жыл бұрын
You mention Wreck it Ralph as one of the several Disney movies brought up in this video, and that Disney films genereally do not have the same focus on the theme of characters or things becoming obsolete, but of all the Disney movies mentioned here, that one that features that same theme the most. In Wreck it Ralph, Turbo, the main villain, his entire motivaiton was the fear of becoming obsolete, that's what drove him to escape his own game, and begin taking over other games as a virus in the arcade. Interesting how arguably the best example of this theme (character afraid of becoming obsolete) from Disney has said character being a villain, but in many of the Pixar films, this is the problem facing and often, motivating, the protagonist.
@BigJoel
@BigJoel 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think you're right here. Disney films sometimes do have characters who are desperate to reclaim their former roles. Ariel's father wants to go back to having a dutiful, happy daughter. The beast wants to go back to being a prince. Maui wants to regain his former power and be thought of as a hero again. It is interesting that none of these characters are the protagonists of their films. They exist as a compliment to the protagonist, a protagonist who constantly strives for a new, better, different role.
@smallss7197
@smallss7197 6 жыл бұрын
Sarr Cat also Fix it Felix the game is going down and all the people are afraid in not being. Therefore being afraid of not being know. Plus Ralph wants to be a good but by the end he figures out that being Bad does not mean you are a bad guy. Coming off that is that Wreak it Ralph is all about coming to understand that you will change but not in the way you want.
@chuckbatman5
@chuckbatman5 4 жыл бұрын
@Greg Elchert Wreck-It-Ralph always felt like the most Pixar-like Disney film to me, this is probably why
@chuckbatman5
@chuckbatman5 4 жыл бұрын
Some Pixar movies also portray those who fear being obsolete as the villains. In A Bug's Life Hopper fears becoming obsolete via losing power over the ants. In Monsters Inc the villains are afraid of their sources of energy, their purpose, becoming obsolete as kids are less and less scared, so they concoct their scheme to steal children and harvest energy from them directly. With Randall a lot of it is purely sadistic, but for Waternoose the motivation to "KIDNAP A THOUSAND CHILDREN" is based on fear and the deluded belief that change is bad and preserving the status quo is the greatest good.
@cristinahawke
@cristinahawke 6 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, this made me cry. (These movies all make me cry, too, haha.) But those themes you talked about resonate with me immensely. I don't think they're just themes in children's lives, but for all of us throughout our lives. And they're such worthwhile themes to explore over and over again. Terrific analysis!
@BigJoel
@BigJoel 6 жыл бұрын
That's the dream, makin you cry
@ChristopherSobieniak
@ChristopherSobieniak 6 жыл бұрын
That was what I loved about Up and Inside Out.
@t20kdc
@t20kdc 6 жыл бұрын
The video was close to making me cry too... then I noticed, and stopped before I could watch the last minute. Maybe I'll watch that last minute when I become the kind of person who could handle that. (In other words, never! My evil plan is all according to itself! Bwuahahaha! ... hopefully watching most of it still counts as a view for you, Big Joel.)
@TeletubProd
@TeletubProd 6 жыл бұрын
ah gay!
@humblehive6502
@humblehive6502 6 жыл бұрын
Shut yo sensitive ass up
@Kitty-the-Bunny
@Kitty-the-Bunny 6 жыл бұрын
I think these two messages/themes not only don't contradict each other, but also thrive alongside each other. You're not powerless; there are things you can do to change your world and you should pursue your dreams because they *can* come true. But while you're not powerless you're also not all-powerful, and things are going to change and to happen outside of your control. And maybe not every dream will come true. But you'll still be okay. Because whether you're in a position to change your circumstances or not, a power you *always* have is to make a place, a role for yourself in what does happen. Those two types of stories come together into one message about growing up and, really, life in general.
@Tousicle
@Tousicle 6 жыл бұрын
The protagonist has something. Then loses it. Then wants to get it back. But get something new instead (Pixar)
@RelativelyBest
@RelativelyBest 5 жыл бұрын
In writing we call it Want vs Need. What the characters _want_ form their motivations, it's the thing that makes them act. What the characters _need_ is whatever brings their character arcs to a conclusion. These don't have to be the same thing, and making them different things is a neat trick for making the story feel less predictable and more poignant. Disney does this as well: What Aladdin wants is to turn into an awesome prince so he can marry Jasmine. What he needs is to stop pretending he's something he's not and be true to himself, otherwise whatever life he has with Jasmine is a lie. It's more that Pixar goes for this very consistently and uses the fear of growing obsolete to give the character very strong wants and emphasizing the character growth resulting in getting what they need.
@jeromealday614
@jeromealday614 4 жыл бұрын
@@RelativelyBest yeah, This my outline when writing video game characters.
@jimle1370
@jimle1370 6 жыл бұрын
Ratatouille had a Disney like format
@yorktown2541
@yorktown2541 5 жыл бұрын
Jim Le good point 🤔
@SpagEddie8113
@SpagEddie8113 5 жыл бұрын
But Ratatouille also has the big epic
@chuckbatman5
@chuckbatman5 4 жыл бұрын
I think Ratatouille uses both. The main protagonist, Remy, follows the Disney formula of wanting something and going for it. But virtually every other character in the film deals with the fear of obsolescence, and Remy's character arc is specifically designed to bring out those fears in the other characters, from his dad who's afraid of his way of living becoming obsolete compared to his son to the head chef who hates Remy and Linguini for making his cooking methods obsolete. Even the other protagonists are affected by this, Linguini for example is insecure of the fact that all of the cooking he is being praised for is actually being done by a rat and fears becoming obsolete if the truth ever gets out. Every source of conflict in the film is based on the contrast between Remy's character arc and everyone else's. I actually haven't seen Ratatouille in years but writing this out made me want to watch it again. Thank you for coming to my TEDTalk
@jeromealday614
@jeromealday614 4 жыл бұрын
@@chuckbatman5 👏👏
@ambergris5705
@ambergris5705 5 жыл бұрын
Let's be honest : using Wall-E's soundtrack is the best idea in the world. It's such a masterpiece of a creation, perfectly completing the wholeness of Wall-E.
@willnash7907
@willnash7907 Жыл бұрын
I'd argue, also perfect for the topic.
@FreedomToons
@FreedomToons 6 жыл бұрын
this is really solid man
@robertneilson7169
@robertneilson7169 3 жыл бұрын
love your cartoons man
@tardersauce3578
@tardersauce3578 2 жыл бұрын
Wow very funny to see you talk to big joel
@Vasses935
@Vasses935 6 жыл бұрын
Your Insideout argument was very weak. I think referencing obsolete memories would’ve made more sense. Thats the entire subplot of the imaginary friend.
@frankstnable
@frankstnable 6 жыл бұрын
oh fuck off pretending like inside out made any effort in telling the story from the perspective of the actual protaganist (you konw, that one blonde girl that starts acting like a brat all of the sudden, for all those arbitrary reasons that pixar tells us are artisitic and super deep) Let's be very clear here: That particular subplot was in there because Pixar never forgot how much money they made from toystory. And Inside Out was a mediocre and lazy cashgrab. How much shit will Pixar put out, before people finally take off their Pixargoggles?! Do we really need to get to 'Cars 10' and 'Toy Story 15' here...
@jolosarmiento7382
@jolosarmiento7382 6 жыл бұрын
Frank Egle you okay bud?
@frankstnable
@frankstnable 6 жыл бұрын
yeah, the venting defently did help. I'm just afraid that I won't get far before stumbling over the "Pixar is the second coming of Christ" mentality yet again, so whose to say really^^ Great job by the way deflecting my arguments by putting the integratiy of my persona into question. Like im totally convinced now that you own the moral high ground just by the way you put me down. Great logic there
@marcella8576
@marcella8576 6 жыл бұрын
If you think Riley was underdeveloped with her mood swings you've never met a preteen child, lol
@jolosarmiento7382
@jolosarmiento7382 6 жыл бұрын
Frank Egle lol thank you 😅
@tinkdnuos
@tinkdnuos 4 жыл бұрын
Wait, you mean Up is longer than 15 minutes? I just assumed those were closing credits I was sobbing over uncontrollably for the next several hours.
@steingar7820
@steingar7820 6 жыл бұрын
This is an exceptionally good theory. While I've seen many theories about how Pixar creates meaning in its films, I very rarely see it connected to the oft-forgotten underlying purpose: that Pixar is in essence making films for children. It certainly reshapes my understanding of the Pixar ouvear. I wonder if this dealing with obsolescence has any connection with Pixar as a company, perhaps as a bunch of guys using a new style of animation that no one could be sure would remain a force in movie making or was just a fad that would quickly become obsolete? Either way, nice job!
@triplflip900
@triplflip900 6 жыл бұрын
Yes! I had that same thought about their history as a company. It's even more interesting to look it at now, with Pixar 3D animation being the new and 2D animation becoming "obsolete"
@astrometries1944
@astrometries1944 5 жыл бұрын
I watched this video essay shortly before giving Ratatouille a rewatch after a number of years and being able to develop a finer appreciation for the film (not to mention Brad Byrd's phenomenal work, as per usual.) My big thought while watching the film was, "Well this is Pixar, and it could be one of the few films where the character is looking for change rather than a force adjustment to it." But after thinking about it, I realized that every character within the film is the representation of Pixar's obsession, disregarding the main character. The main chef is fearful his position will be compromised, Linguini goes through so many hyperbolic scenarios to ensure his life remains constant and he is not put into uncomfortable situations, and almost every character has this same theme. An important aspect I've always appreciated about Pixar is their focus on side characters and those minor details. Obsolescence doesn't have to be the main story line, but Pixar will ensure it's utilized just about everywhere else. And it really is something to give props too, their attention to detail is and always has been impeccable.
@annieev171
@annieev171 6 жыл бұрын
I've always noticed how content and better I've felt with my life after watching a Pixar movie
@prinsmarsvin
@prinsmarsvin 6 жыл бұрын
You could argue that Ralph in Wreck-it Ralph ends the movie happy in the role he was given instead of somwhere new. It's just that the people around him have learned to apreciate his role and he learns to accept himself and not pretend to be something he isn't. Just a thought.
@KotoCrash
@KotoCrash 6 жыл бұрын
I think the depiction of Sadness speaks to this theme greater than the panel, the idea that it is seen as a useless emotion by Joy until the end
@dahurgthedragon9010
@dahurgthedragon9010 6 жыл бұрын
*Mother:* That's all the sweets you're getting for the night! *Disney Princess:* I WANT MOOOOOOOOORRRRRREEEEE!!!!
@StoryLaboratory
@StoryLaboratory 7 жыл бұрын
Very insightful! You make some great points, and I admire your ability to see the big picture. We need more thoughtful commentary about animated storytelling here on KZfaq - I would love to collaborate with you sometime!
@BigJoel
@BigJoel 7 жыл бұрын
thanks for watching, I'm not sure what you mean by collaborate, but your channel seems cool, so if u have any ideas, let me know.
@haleydunning3819
@haleydunning3819 6 жыл бұрын
inside out also has bingbong! who totally becomes obsolete in riley's life after she grows up a bit
@hinrinn1788
@hinrinn1788 6 жыл бұрын
I think the values and differences with these two ways of story telling is what makes movies where Disney and Pixar work together really shine. For a recent example, look at Coco- Miguel wants more. He wants to be a musician, and at the end, he gets that, though it also comes with the message of the importance of family, as the movie is incredibly focused on loved ones becoming forgotten, or obsolete. The way that these two themes work together is truly beautiful, with the main character understanding things in a new way that maybe isn't what they wanted in the beginning, but also being able to achieve their dreams.
@slingshot8071
@slingshot8071 6 жыл бұрын
I don't think you should compare Cinderella to Moana or Little Mermaid. Cinderella's story can be very powerful for those that had experience abuse and how they got themselves freed with hope and hard work. Another good thing about Cinderella is that her kindness does pay off when she selflessly helps others in need. They are very different companies with different approaches but they are both needed in order to keep that child within you alive for adulthood. Disney letting your imagination inspire you. Pixar understand that everything has a meaning in life both bad and good. But I like how you summed up your thoughts at the end of the video. So well done.
@denisenova7494
@denisenova7494 5 жыл бұрын
SlingShot: Please note that they stayed closer to the original fairytales in earlier times. The story of cinderella (French and German stories) is about a girl who is faithful and what you would expect from a good christian woman (cleaning, fulfilling your duty) and she goes to her mother‘s grave and prays and that‘s why she was „rewarded“ with a silver dress growing on the tree. The intention of the original stories always was to be „good“ and a faithful devout Christian. They didn‘t stay close to the original story of The Little Mermaid from Denmark where she actually doesn‘t (!) get the guy (Yes, he wanders off with the other girl) and she then commits suicide but she ends up becoming foam and her soul goes to heaven because she was a good and faithful girl. The stories actually say: No matter how hard life gets and no matter how much you suffer...being good and religious will „save“ you. Many people in Europe had parents who read the actual stories to them. I grew up with the actual stories in books.
@jeromealday614
@jeromealday614 4 жыл бұрын
@@denisenova7494 Um no, The moral lesson of Little Mermaid is " Don't sacrifice everything for a guy because you probably die miserable. " At least that's what my parents told us....
@denisenova7494
@denisenova7494 4 жыл бұрын
Jerome Alday: Well, that‘s not true :) This story is religious and about virtue and going to heaven.
@inflorire
@inflorire 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! I would also add that in Disney there’s often a magical/quick solution that falls short and it’s up to the character to demonstrate their inner strength to overcome their final obstacle, this is where we see real character development. Cinderella for example attempts to defy the abusive family with help from her friends (also survivors or kind beings that she’s shown kindness) only to be undermined and attacked. The magical dress gets her to the dance, but what gives Cinderella her ultimate escape is the final decision to defy her abusers by revealing the original shoe. It shows she is not only worthy of the one night of freedom, but willing to finally step into her own life outside their control.
@Delta_Aves
@Delta_Aves 6 жыл бұрын
While I find Disney and Pixar's storytelling methods to be equally good, Pixar films will most likely leave a bigger impact on children, as well as adults, because the fear of being obsolete and irrelevant is more universal and adds realism to their films, even ones that involve anthropomorphic cars, as well as the understanding that not all changes are evil, and sometimes there are things in life you can't control. It doesn't pander or talk down to an audience, not to say Disney does, but some of their films do display elements of retconning for that old happy ending. Then again, Disney has been around a lot longer than Pixar, so there's obviously going to be some dud movies.
@atinity6749
@atinity6749 6 жыл бұрын
I hate, and always have hated, Pixar films. They are boring. Really really really uninteresting. Maybe it's because I have asperger's, but I cannot project anything humane into the characters in pixar. They are toys! Or cars! They are things! I don't give a crap about some toy who worries if it will be useful in the future. It's a freaking toy. And the animation... People look creepy. Especially in toy story. Those people look freaky as f***. Dead eyes o.O I did like the incredibles. One of my favorite movies of this genre. But that is disney/pixar collab so that might explain it... I'm actually really looking forward to the sequel. I have always wondered what is with pixar, that I just can't bring myself to like any of their movies. Maybe it's because protagonist are mostly inanimate things? I didn't like Up either, because the whole premise of the story is so cliché. Old man left alone, losing his house and all that. The adventure part wasn't really exciting either. Talking dogs were just stupid. Only interesting part was the antagonist, even tho his backstory was weird and questionable. How old is Munz? How the hell did he survived decades in the forest middle of nowhere. Doesn't make any sense. But he did make the movie a little bit interesting.
@Delta_Aves
@Delta_Aves 6 жыл бұрын
Well, the thing is, kids, especially at a young age, tend to connect more with toys, dolls or some other kind of inanimate object, cause they're still learning about the fundamentals of the real world, which can be a tough and confusing, and they're a lot more imaginative and expressive around those ages. I mean, chances are when you were a kid, you probably had an attachment to some object that you couldn't quite comprehend and now find it to be silly. That's essentially what Pixar taps into in terms of environment, and in terms of writing, I don't think they're trying to say that toys, cars, monsters, etc. are people too, but rather trying to offer a different perspective on a universal topic/issue, like how Toy Story 3 and Inside Out tackle the issues of growing up, but from the point of view of toys and emotions, respectively, like how "they" would react to these certain situations, or what a superhero going through a mid-life crisis would look like, or what a monster going to college would be like. It's at least something to speculate about, then again, it doesn't always work, such as a movie starring anthropomorphic cars, which is just silly. As for the animation, I think it only looks creepy when they try to make the people look too real. Pixar doesn't do that, which is one thing I admire about them. I do agree that the people in Toy Story look very odd, but to be fair, it was the first CGI animated movie and the technique itself was still evolving. They've come a long way since then. I'm not trying to infringe on your opinions or anything, but I'll just say, Pixar films run more on emotional logic than, well, actual logic, and by this point, every possible story premise had been done before, hell the "toys coming to life" premise had been done many times before Toy Story. It's the unique ways in which Pixar chooses to tell theses stories that make them very memorable to both kids and adults. But if you already know that and still can't connect to them, that's fine, at least for me.
@atinity6749
@atinity6749 6 жыл бұрын
1717Dave Yeah I get it and I do understand why people love these movies. They are good movies, I am just unable to relate to them. I don't really remember any of the toys I had when I was kid. Except the huge pink house made for barbies. But what I liked most about it was the fact that I could organize all the little items in it. It had a bathroom with bathtub, and with it came little mirror, brush and hairdryer and shelves to put them in. But I don't remember how I played with it with my barbie dolls. I guess I just stuck em in the bathtub and tried different clothing on them. I didn't ever have any dolls that had their own personalities. They were just pieces of plastic. When I played with my friends they always came up with the personalities. Oh and I had a remote controlled car. I loved it. It was fun to just drive it, see what kinda terrain is good for it, trying to drive it through obstacles... Boys' toys were always way cooler :D
@theMoporter
@theMoporter 6 жыл бұрын
Nope, I have never worried about being useful at one point and then becoming obsolete. Maybe that's because I went from being a child, to a mentally ill teenager, to a physically ill adult and have, by society's standards, always been obsolete. Being a bisexual disabled woman, progress in general and particularly in my lifetime has been a unanimously good thing for me. I can't connect to being a middle aged man who's sad because other people are allowed to succeed.
@remnants9974
@remnants9974 6 жыл бұрын
well, I tend to like Pixar movies, but don't love them to the degree that many seem to. like I can appreciate them but ultimately they aren't as interesting to me as other things... although I'm not quite in a state of mind right now to unpack why they don't necessarily do it for me atm
@Zentagon
@Zentagon 7 жыл бұрын
Pretty decent video man. Keep up the good work.
@isthisboostedmode6106
@isthisboostedmode6106 6 жыл бұрын
Zentagon man+
@jcdf2
@jcdf2 6 жыл бұрын
An astute observation on his part.
@lunab541
@lunab541 3 жыл бұрын
This makes me think of how obvious it is that Brave (Pixar) and Wreck it Ralph (Disney) were conceived at one studio and developed at the other. in both films you can see influences of these two mentalities, a character wanting more in life but having to learn the hard way that what they were looking for is not what they truly needed. There is also a strong theme of obsolecence in Wreck it Ralph
@randomperson9701
@randomperson9701 5 жыл бұрын
I really agree with you. People often critisize Disney for only telling fairy tales, but there is nothing wrong with being a fairy tale, a dream like thing. Walt Disney wanted remind adults their childhood innoncence. He even says "When our child like innocence dies, we become evil." I love both studios. Being fun is a reason to exist for a product. Bringing people happines, reminding their childhood is a reason to exist. A theme doesen't make a movie good or bad. Disney and Pixar is different but both of them are good in their ways. But everything aside, Pixar should start making original movies again.
@SirBlackReeds
@SirBlackReeds 5 жыл бұрын
Ironically, they don't only telling fairy tales.
@jaschabull2365
@jaschabull2365 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting observation. I'm just realizing this actually explains something I've noticed a while ago regarding Disney and Pixar. I've long come to see Toy Story as a redemption story for Snow White's antagonist. They both have similar premises of a character in a position of prime learning that a new face on the scene stands to usurp them, to which they attempt to hijack this newcomer from taking their place and making them obsolete. The main difference is that Snow White focuses on the younger, wide-eyed character, and lets the audience experience coming into their own with this character, while Toy Story focuses on the the original top-dog, and lets the audience experience the feeling of being threatened with this character (followed by a redemption arc, of course, because American G movies tend not to do tragedy). This totally exhibits all the nuances in theme you just described. Interesting that you made sense of it. Strangely enough, I actually recall a video which argues nearly the opposite of what you said - it claimed that Disney, particularly before its CGI movies, was against change and progress, whereas CGI films like Pixar supported them. It cited trends such as 2D-animated Disney movies often having a happy ending where things return to how they were before (such as the monarchies of Triton, the Sultan of Agrabah, and Mufasa being returned from the hands of a deviant usurper), whereas CGI movies such as Pixar movies more likely have a happy ending where things change and move on (see laughs replacing screams in Monsters Inc., for instance). I guess Disney does have a shade of bourgeois-ness which is a tad strange odd considering Disney's existence as an all-American company which one would expect to be totally for progress and growth. I guess one could, to borrow an apt phrase from Jack Saint, call Disney's canon White Roses with varying degrees of Red Paint. Though, that might be a bit of a questionable dismissal considering the obvious pro-progression trends you've demonstrated. And really, this makes me wonder if A Bug's Life is the un-favourite for a lot of Pixar fans because it goes against this theme - it centres around an innovative protagonist who wishes to expand his role in life, and proceeds to do so. I guess that makes a lot of people see it as just a product of Pixar's early floundering to truly find its footing and take root into its proper niche, but its divergence is actually probably what makes me like it - most of the other Pixar movies of its time starred big, beefy heroes who versed wily gadgeteers threatening to push them into obsolesence with their tech. A Bug's Life's doing the opposite balanced Pixar's early canon out in a way I found nice. Plus, it's a bit nice to have a break from themes of helplessness, which could borderline on depressing if thought of too deeply - really, it's a bit ironic that one of A Bug's Life's most outstanding motifs was imagining a pebble as a seed; by the end of that story, all the protagonists proved themselves to be genuine seeds full of potential for growth which they exhibited throughout the story. Dot was able to spread her wings and fly, while Buzz was never so lucky. That's another theme of Pixar I'd love to hear you expand on - it's always made me kind of curious that I found Monsters' University to be much more frustrating, unsatisfying and borderline depressing than Toy Story, despite Buzz and Mike both ending up similarly learning they are incapable of achieving their goals. Maybe that's not how you see it, and maybe it's just a product of my age making me more critical of the newer movies, but it is something that would be interesting to ponder.
@jeromealday614
@jeromealday614 4 жыл бұрын
Woah, this quite very long... I only read the first two paragraphs, and yeah I agree with you about the Snow white redemption arc
@HeadCannon19
@HeadCannon19 6 жыл бұрын
But in Coco, at the beginning he has a history but doesn’t like it, wants to change, like a Disney character, but then realizes that that might not be best for him, and he goes back to where he was at the start, but different, and even changes his family’s attitude a bit
@BigJoel
@BigJoel 6 жыл бұрын
huh yeah, this video was made before Coco, but I do think you're right that it doesn't fit my mold super well.
@maxoweenie
@maxoweenie 6 жыл бұрын
One has to admit though, that it does follow the formula of want more - get more. Did he get all of what he wanted? Well... kind of. His “more” was a family who accepted his music. What did he do to get more? Stole a guitar to play in a music contest. What happened at the end? He got more- his family enjoys music. Even side or complementary characters got their more. The dad got his family back, and is remembered now, so he won’t die (his more was wanting more than being forgotten). This was not them having a role and changing that role , though it could be argued as such. It was more not having a role and then being able to attain that role. Though there is an interesting caveat that I’ve found in almost all Disney villains - Cocos villain is afraid of being obsolete.
@marsverb
@marsverb 6 жыл бұрын
If this had been made after Coco I think there would have been an interesting opportunity to look at Bing Bong (from Inside Out) and Hector's shared fear of being forgotten as a newer way in which Pixar is approaching obsolescence. Those two movies do something similar in that, unlike older Pixar movies that deal with machines and physical things that would be left to rot if they became useless, they both take place in a metaphysical realm where no longer serving a purpose basically means no longer existing, which gives the threat of obsolescence even higher stakes.
@denisenova7494
@denisenova7494 5 жыл бұрын
I just figured a funny coincidence/sychronicity with my life: When Disney had their Golden Renaissance with Princess movies in the early 90s I was a little kid (I was born when Arielle came out). Times changed and drawn animation became obsolete and the internet became a thing for everyone and this is when Pixar started their animated movies about getting older, becoming obsolete etc and this is when I just became a teenager.
@TheRealJims
@TheRealJims 6 жыл бұрын
Really nice job with this essay! There is definitely a wistfulness that exists in a lot of Pixar's work and this is a good rundown on why. Always felt like Toy Story 3 was kinda the linchpin of their obsession/examination of the obsolete, being a culmination of the first two films, as well as the two films that immediately preceded it (WALL-E and Up). I feel like the post-Toy Story 3 movies leaned a little less on this angle. Anyway, great video. Kudos!
@scifikoala
@scifikoala 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder, on kind of a meta level, how much this fixation on obsoletism started with the fact that Pixar made hand-drawn animation obsolete. Many of the people working on these movies loved that medium, had worked in it, and didn't intend for computer animation to become the only one that major studios used. But that happened, and it happened because of their early successes. That will always be part of Pixar's legacy and it seems likily that that fact fed into the focus on the obsolete just as much as being a counterpoint to Disney's themes did
@HanayoSora
@HanayoSora 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video! I loved Pixar movies a lot more than Disney movies, but I was never able to understand why until I watched this, because I'm the type who relishes smelling the roses or holding onto nostalgic relics than constantly craving for change and adventures
@xingcat
@xingcat 6 жыл бұрын
In some ways, this idea reminds me of the novelist Anne Tyler. Her most well-known book (which was adapted into a wonderful movie) was "The Accidental Tourist," which is (like all her books) about characters trapped into a single way of living, a single way of thinking, and a single way of doing things until something disruptive (usually a love interest, but not always) happens and makes them shift slightly. Her books are much more subtle in their shifts than Pixar characters, but she writes for a different audience. Great video!
@MewsAdventure
@MewsAdventure 6 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, man. I’ve been rewatching them because I love your analysis. Keep making more!
@Yipper64
@Yipper64 6 жыл бұрын
3:45 OHHHHHH that's why Pixar tickles our nostalgia... because its made to be nostalgic to anyone. the adults look back on their childhoods watching this, and the children get little hints of the past that stick with them as they come up from time to time.
@georgeleslie7307
@georgeleslie7307 5 жыл бұрын
Been on a binge recently with your videos. Very articulate and good analysis! Keep it up!
@izaaklane8028
@izaaklane8028 6 жыл бұрын
God damn I love this video. I love the polarity it shows between both animation studios. In a way it's like a comparison between a realist and an optimist. I think this is one of your best yet. Keep it up!
@Grizabeebles
@Grizabeebles 6 жыл бұрын
About 4:11-5:11> That's because the "I want" song is part of the standard formula for musicals. As of 2017 Pixar had never done a full-blown musical. I understand the point you're trying to make but comparing musicals to dramas undermines the rest of your thesis. It's sort of like complaining about a car that doesn't have sails. Dramas and musical typically deal with paradigm shifts in different ways. Rather than finding something new and better for new and better's sake, dramas revolve around some crisis breaking the world and the "hero" having to discover a way to put it back together. If not the way it was, then at least in some kind of livable "new normal". One of the main reasons why Pixar has stayed out of musicals is fear of treading on the domain of "Mickey the All-Consuming" and provoking The Great Shai Hulud of All Mass Media into jumping genres. I'd be really interested in your take on how to make effective dramas about desire and effective musicals about loss. There's probably a good reason why you almost never see any of either. But _Breaking Bad_ sure made bank!
@iLuvvYuuMjxXxLia
@iLuvvYuuMjxXxLia 5 жыл бұрын
Grizabeebles this is a general structure but not every musical follows this formula. Though even the non musical Disney films do follow this formula - Bolt, Atlantis and Treasure Planet for example.
@zacknicley8150
@zacknicley8150 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve always though Disney was for a younger child and Pixar was for an older child. When we’re younger children we want wish fulfillment, when we’re older children we want wish reassurance.
@julianb188
@julianb188 5 жыл бұрын
I think another way to look at the core differences is through the lens of the hero's journey. In a Disney film, there isn't really a refusal of the call. The characters want adventure from the beginning, like you said they want "more". The transformation is usually an external one like with Aladdin moving up in the social hierarchy. In Pixar the drama is the refusal of the call and characters are unwillingly in their situation. The transformation is also usually internal; at the end of Toy Story, Buzz is still there, but Woody is no longer threatened.
@heartquake1100
@heartquake1100 6 жыл бұрын
Wow. Now that you lay it all out like that I'm surprised I never noticed it. It really hit me when you did the comparison with Disney. Really great video that helps explain why I've connected so much with all the Pixar movies I've watched as a child and as an adult.
@veggiet2009
@veggiet2009 5 жыл бұрын
And I went that whole video without crying! and you just HAD to go and stick 20 seconds of the Up opening! But seriously I did cry. I find it interesting how much I love Pixar films and yet the fears I express are these very fears, before Toy Story was released into theaters, I was a child that didn't want to grow up. Now as an adult I find a lot of comfort in the endings, that ever present reminder that things will change, but that's ok. I just never put that into perspective. I think it's even more pronounced in the Good Dinosaur, and in Coco.
@qualifiedarmchaircritic
@qualifiedarmchaircritic 6 жыл бұрын
That's some really interesting content you are putting out, subscribed to see where you are going! I greatly enjoy your analytical style and narration.
@justanotherhappyhumanist8832
@justanotherhappyhumanist8832 6 жыл бұрын
So, this is my third comment under one of your videos, and I know I’ve already expressed how great I think your work is, but I have to say it, again - this is really good work, dude! You really are so insightful. Each one of your videos has enabled me to see old products in a totally new way. That’s an amazing skill you have! You deserve way more subscribers. This really is one of the best KZfaq channels I’ve come across. I mean, I only discovered you yesterday, and I’ve already subscribed, and liked/watched half a dozen of your videos! The interesting thing is that I’m often not particularly interested in the specific topic that you’re discussing, but you analyse each topic in such an interesting and creative way, that you manage to hold my undivided attention throughout the video...and now I’m thinking about these products in a totally new light (I still don’t want to see Cars 3 though, lol). Thanks for all the work you’ve put into this. I’d honestly be interested to hear you talk about any subject. EDIT: Just had a thought after I posted this...can you think of any movies that are an amalgamation of the Disney and Pixar models? Like, a middle ground? And if not, what would that kind of movie look like?
@davidroberts6538
@davidroberts6538 2 жыл бұрын
this is a really incredible analysis, I've watched a lot and never thought of it this way- thanks a ton!
@Your6figurementor
@Your6figurementor 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic essay! Very profound, made me view these movies in a completely new way. Thanks!
@JJChalupnik
@JJChalupnik 5 жыл бұрын
Wow. Really great breakdown of Disney and Pixar story philosophy. You definitely touched on it, but there's a meta narrative in there as well, such as how hard John Lasseter worked to bring forth 3D at Disney. As he saw the future in it. Even Brave Little Toaster, which he worked on, made heavy use of the 'going obsolete' theme. Also the idea that Disney never stops growing and getting more for itself is kinda interesting to think about. There studio cultures are also similar from my understanding.
@carsonlistenics2274
@carsonlistenics2274 6 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best videos I have ever watched on KZfaq. Excellent insights into both story structures.
@henreebee6561
@henreebee6561 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent observations and video! I’ve never heard anyone make these points before but I think you’re absolutely spot on!
@RidicAcidic
@RidicAcidic 7 жыл бұрын
Joel, this was an amazing video. I love these types of videos that look in depth when talking about movies and movie studios. You made a very valid argument and made me notice Pixar's similar plots along with Disney's. I look forward to watching more videos like this in the future. Good work 😀
@BigJoel
@BigJoel 7 жыл бұрын
thanks so much
@ariananehrbass8983
@ariananehrbass8983 6 жыл бұрын
Wow! Fantastic video! It was incredibly insightful and very well explained, and not something I’ve seen ascribed to Pixar before. Keep it up!
@SillyWillyFan47
@SillyWillyFan47 6 жыл бұрын
Nah. Pixar is about epiphanies. Disney's more about discoveries. One external, the other internal. Disney's premise is essentially childlike, Pixar is more pragmatic & thus appeals to adults too who have had to learn to change too.
@itsmebeter3538
@itsmebeter3538 Жыл бұрын
so glad your editing and presentation got better
@widgetfilms
@widgetfilms 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad my parent's played my brother and I more Pixar than Disney growing up.
@x0cx102
@x0cx102 4 жыл бұрын
Toy story 4 came out this year and it fits nicely in this theme
@aenean.
@aenean. 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your review. I am currently trying to do a research about how media shaped the ideal "childhood", how they "positioned" the children. Specifically in a children magazine in my country. Your video gave me inspiration. Thanks!
@KJOokami
@KJOokami 6 жыл бұрын
I really like how you said that Disney and Pixar are two sides of the same coin; those were my feelings as well. Where Disney represents the optimist in us--the one who wants to be famous, or to see the world, or to simply do things we consider extraordinary--Pixar represents the realist in us that keeps everything grounded in reality. Pixar seems like it's obsessed with becoming obsolete because they try to stick to a very grounded, true to life approach to their stories. The characters always deal with the fear of obsolescence because everyone does. The world is constantly shifting around us, and as we grow we are also changing, whether we want to or not. Cities change. People change. Fads come and go. Societal norms ebb and flow from one extreme to the other. Things that we thought we knew so well can be ripped out from underneath us if we allow ourselves to stagnate. It's imperative that we constantly strive to learn and relearn everything we think we know, because the world will continue to change with or without us.
@lilyaurora7078
@lilyaurora7078 6 жыл бұрын
You pronounce "Ariel" weirdly. Haha good video, bro!!
@adriannunez6594
@adriannunez6594 6 жыл бұрын
Wreck It Ralph is like related to Pixar because Ralph what's to become the good guy but realizes that if he does that then the whole system he's in gets unplugged. So in the end he learns to like being the bad guy because he what to do that for the whole game. So he wasn't afraid of that change that he felt in the end.
@griffinqk1058
@griffinqk1058 6 жыл бұрын
You make some of the best content I've seen in a while. Subscribed.
@saltoftheegg
@saltoftheegg 6 жыл бұрын
Very insightful! I really enjoyed watching this and you make some really great observations. I do think Bing Bong is a better example of obsolescence in Inside Out than the control panel, however.
@CassandraCarter
@CassandraCarter 6 жыл бұрын
I think a better example in Inside Out was that it was Sadness' journey to find her own purpose in a group that think she's not just useless, but her presence harmful.
@smfe
@smfe 6 жыл бұрын
Incredible video! You need more recognition.
@TheApoke
@TheApoke 6 жыл бұрын
This was a really in-depth video essay that changed the way I view Pixar, great work!
@chaotic1801
@chaotic1801 5 жыл бұрын
I love these video essays. They're very smart and well thought out.
@ZiKoN22
@ZiKoN22 6 жыл бұрын
i'm glad u added those last 2 minutes to ur video talking about disney and Pixar; 2 sides of the same coin. good video :)
@CalebJoaquin
@CalebJoaquin 6 жыл бұрын
This was a wonderful video with a really interesting insight. Thank you!
@Donteatacowman
@Donteatacowman 6 жыл бұрын
I LOVE this short video essay! I never really considered this but you're right, it does seem obvious when put into words. And cuz I'm a Coco fan, and that film came out after this review did, I gotta try to apply this video to Coco. The theme of obsolescence is there, but not for the main character. You could analyze the film from that perspective (especially considering Héctor as a main character, who is literally getting destroyed due to his apparent obsolescence) but it wasn't explicitly explored in the narrative the same way the other films you cited here were. But that doesn't mean these ideas don't apply. The main character, Miguel, starts out the movie SEEMING like a Disney protagonist. He doesn't get the classic Disney "I want" song but the first act of the film hits the same beats. He wants to break away from tradition, to be a musician (hey, that rhymes; maybe I could be a musician too), to escape the unfair and constricting rules of his family to the point that he runs away--very much like Ariel, honestly. But while the Little Mermaid unapologetically embraces Ariel's actions as good, Miguel spends the rest of his movie being cursed for those same actions. He learns an appreciation for his elders and for his family's tradition, but he also questions the history he was taught. By the third act, Miguel's goal is not to leave home, nor to go back to the good ol' days, but to find a happy medium where he doesn't have to "choose sides" as he puts it. Maybe that ties in with what you said about finding a new role, since that ultimately is the point of Miguel's character development. And he does wind up appreciating and resurrecting something once thought obsolete (music, in the context of his family; Héctor's writing legacy, in a broader sense).
@watsonwrote
@watsonwrote 6 жыл бұрын
This theme was one the reasons The Brave Little Toaster really stuck with me as a kid. You're right about how it sets up character development early and creates a sympathetic scenario for the audience. I'd also like to point out that we're living in a time where technology and trends are changing so rapidly that irrelevance and becoming obsolete are a frequent aspect of daily life. While that's always been true for people, I feel like the process is accelerating and has been since WWII with the advent of various modern technologies and globalism. The material possession/technological stability (and to a lesser extent, sociocultural stability) people experienced until about a hundred years ago is absent now. Disney is/was mostly tapping into stories penned in age where things didn't become obsolete so rapidly. We can no longer inherent tools created by our grandparents and use them with pride--we can barely use objects we bought last decade or 5 years ago outside of nostalgia or novelty. Plus--not only was Pixar created in a time of shifting technology and cultural customs, it was the first 3D animation studio (to my knowledge) and their very inception essentially made an entire art form, traditional animation, obsolete. It seems appropriate that these studios would make use of their respective themes.
@namjnhee
@namjnhee 3 жыл бұрын
wow i never thought about it that way! You're observation is amazing!
@desu38
@desu38 6 жыл бұрын
"basic childhood fears" Haha, yeah, good thing I outgrew those exact fears, right? *Right?*
@ConMan-ye4ou
@ConMan-ye4ou 6 жыл бұрын
It's interesting that this article came out before Coco was released. I've seen that film about 6 times now, and I think there's an interesting point to be made about Disney protagonists vs Pixar protagonists. The character of Miguel fits the archetype of a Disney protagonist. He is a young boy in a life he doesn't want to have, who dreams of something else. Meanwhile, Hector is the character who is fearful of becoming obsolete, as he is literally a dead man who is being forgotten. By putting these two characters together, we get to see how these two ideologies clash, and how both of them must work together to achieve their goals.
@marshmallowvampire8503
@marshmallowvampire8503 4 жыл бұрын
That's absolutely right! Each one starts with a brief intro saying "everything has been one way until today", it's usually about someone average (like us),& they must learn. We learn with the characters & many of them relate to us by having real problems. In my opinion, Pixar teaches good life lessons through presenting these things& it's just beautiful.
@reneelucero2923
@reneelucero2923 6 жыл бұрын
Dude, I love your videos! keep up the awesome work
@cexino
@cexino 6 жыл бұрын
I just love your assessment and insights in this video, sincerely thank you, I really learned from it. I think your insights are essential for aspiring writers.
@timothyclark5900
@timothyclark5900 6 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best video essays I've seen in a while.
@Pomoscorzo
@Pomoscorzo 3 жыл бұрын
Disney has developed though. It used to be about people wanting something and then getting it (Snow White: her prince, Pinocchio: be a real boy etc.), now it' more about wanting something and then finding something different and unexpected. Quasimodo wants to spend one day "out there" and gets free of his tower for good, Elsa wants to suppress her powers but learns she can control them, Rapunzel wants to leave her tower and finds her family...
@jordanryanfilmmaking
@jordanryanfilmmaking 5 жыл бұрын
This was really well done and analyzed. Great job.
@chatur_boy
@chatur_boy 6 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best video essays I have seen on KZfaq. Thanks.
@chatur_boy
@chatur_boy 6 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work mate !
@BigJoel
@BigJoel 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@bunmeng007
@bunmeng007 3 жыл бұрын
Dang. I haven’t realized that Disney animation is obsessed with their characters wanting more. Good observation.
@iiiiitsmagreta1240
@iiiiitsmagreta1240 6 жыл бұрын
I think I need to do a Pixar marathon now. Thank you for making this video, it really touched me :)
@yodaheabebe3756
@yodaheabebe3756 6 жыл бұрын
Really insightful. Exceptionally well said.
@Kamogelo
@Kamogelo 4 жыл бұрын
This was lovely to watch. Thank you.
@richardw2977
@richardw2977 6 жыл бұрын
Great video - keep up the good work.
@trickydicky2594
@trickydicky2594 5 жыл бұрын
I like Pixar movies more since Disney movies seem somewhat monotonous. Pixar makes its movies in a very wide spectrum and albeit in a relatively same format, they still make great movies Like UP, Wall-E, Cars, and more. I guess the base of why I love their movies is because I can relate to them, and I think a whole lot of other people can too, and that's what makes them so powerful.
@arkoudanthrope
@arkoudanthrope 6 жыл бұрын
That was very insightful :)
@17rajasandeep
@17rajasandeep 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! That was so insightful and well articulated.
@jpickens189
@jpickens189 6 жыл бұрын
Your Disney/Pixar paradigm feels accurate to the goals a character starts with, but as Pixar's films challenge that paradigm, so do Disney's. Most Disney characters enter the movie seeking a world of seemingly infinite possibility and opportunity, but eventually shape their life into a specific role. This often comes in the form of rejecting the initial form of societal order only to accept it again, or move onto a new social order, once they understand their adult role. This posits that there is a role that suits a person, and that role will bring eternal happiness. Pixar movies, on the other hand, posit that the world will change, and that no role will make a person happy forever. The upshot is there is infinite opportunity to find new happiness.
@eevee1583
@eevee1583 5 жыл бұрын
You know that movie nobody watched? The good dinosaur? I saw a clip of it in the beginning and it kind of had that feeling of obsolete. At least what I remember of it. See, the main dinosaur was struggling to help his family and felt obsolete compared to his father. Something like that.
@abarakat2241
@abarakat2241 4 жыл бұрын
seriously man, great video!
@Dracomut
@Dracomut 6 жыл бұрын
Great video with some poignant thoughts! Though there is something I want to say: Something interesting and important to note about Disney that they while do indeed look at people who want something more, they also take a good look at the dangers of seeking what you want single-mindedly: Anna gets easily manipulated due to her desires and innocence, so does Ariel, Ralph sacrifices things he shouldn't have to seek his dream, same with Aladdin, Judy's expectations of Zootopia are quickly destroyed, Moana and Belle get their adventure but quickly find out that adventure is more dangerous and harsh than just romps of excitement. And even when these characters do get what they want they get it via tremendous trials and tribulations, hard work, and sometimes even sacrificing something important to them. Judy becomes a respected member of the police and is working to make Zootopia better but on the way she nearly lost a friend and underwent a huge emotional breakdown, Ariel finds her true love but it happened after a ton of trauma at the hands of a sea witch and both her and her kingdom were nearly destroyed, and both Ralph and Aladdin are BARELY able to fix the mistakes they made. Even Cinderella had to go through a TON of crap in order to reach her happy ending. Perhaps the crowning example is Tiana: she achieves her restaurant and the love of her life but it happened via great trauma, fixing her flawed looks on life, and seeing the death of a close friend. I am not saying you are wrong at all, but I do think there is often greater depth to Disney's movies than meets the eye. They often indeed have the moral of "you are in control", but they also frequently say "achieving your dreams is far from easy" and "sometimes what you want isn't what you actually need"
@yorktown2541
@yorktown2541 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, this makes so much sense
@elinaturner6198
@elinaturner6198 6 жыл бұрын
This is really neat! You deserve more of an audience
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