but you said in the video the complete opposite that you preferred the aspect ratio of the pixel?

Exactly, opening up to portrait VS landscape is way better due to it being way easier to use in portrait mode... You can even use it one handed in portrait mode

It's definitely possible for people to have different experiences, for people to prioritize different things. I acknowledge that the Z fold is easier to simply hold on to with one hand. What I'm not prepared to say is that it's easier to actually use one-handed. Holding and using are two very different things. If you can't reach the entire top half of the screen that's a problem. That being said, some people have giant hands and that just isn't an issue for them. I think it's best for people to try and get their hands on the device and see which one fits their hands and their sensibilities best.

I think with the Z Fold you are most likely be using the inner screen a lot more as the front one is too narrow for most people. While on the Fold it's wider so people will tend to use the front screen more and will know that if they need more space then they could use the inner screen. That's how I see it. I have that Fold coming in a few days but I'm already looking forward to the Z Fold 6 as I feel like I will ultimately land on that long term. I currently have both the S22U and P7P but if I had to keep one it would be the S22U as it just does everything for me minus the shutter lag. I love Pixel devices for everything else though like their calling features. I'm still going to keep my S22U for at least another year while my P7P will be handed down to my daughter. I can't believe she will have a better camera phone then me when I get my Fold. 😂

From my experience, the Pixel is better one-handed and I can never understand people using that excuse to promote the Galaxy Fold. My Fold 4 is a nightmare to use one-handed as I can never reach the top as it is taller; the Pixel is much easier. I suppose each to their own, but that reasoning simply does not fly with me.

​@@andyH_Englandmy fold 4 is a dream to use one handed especially swipe typing

@@soberanisfam1323 I see people like you swipe typing and it looks like magic. Sadly, I am older and teaching an old dog new tricks is challenging. But if you can swipe type then that is a solution as well as looking cool!

Perfectly reasonable

Google definitely needs to fix Tensor. I believe they should buy Snapdragon and use them to build their custom chips for their Pixels.

Dex is sweet

​@@bigdrews4360If dex could support multi screen stretch and not mirror When I plumbing a second monitor, I would use dex.

If samsung didn't fix the fifth Is generation, I wouldn't care if they added the s pen inside the phone and added a baker screen on the front. I still wouldn't Of pre ordered the phone. The new hinge was a make a break for me period I don't like the Google Pixel fold. The front screen is too wide for one-handed use. If I want to use two hands I open the phone. If I want to use one hand I use the front screen. Samsung Gots that down to a science.

personally i only want the next gen samsung folds to be wider. not shorter. I would dislike shorter. I want a samsung fold ultra with at least an 8" display : D

...so wait... Did you get the Z Fold 4...or the Pold?

@@2MenEQ I got the Z Fold 4 because I couldn't afford the Pixel fold.

​@@raxcentalruthenta1456didn't Google Fi have a promo on the Pixel Fold? Like $1,200 for 2 years?

My Z Fold typically looks the same. The only reason is doesn't is because it had been cleaned and put away since the Pixel arrived. It has a gap of similar, if not slightly smaller, size.

Really similar

It is hard to do anything productive on the Fold 4 outer display, it is close to useless for typing. I suppose some nimble-fingered swipe keyboard users may be able to make it work, but it really is terrible for my usage; every other letter is wrong and auto-correct isn't great and dictation is weak versus the Pixel.

It feels better to me for that reason. I'd like to see a Surface Duo ROM, for the Pixel Fold, while keeping some features that are Pixel exclusive. Multitasking on the Pixel Fold is better for me than on the Z Fold 4, but the Duo was the best for how to do dual screen.

I’ve been watching them too but can’t get on with Android.

It's pretty much the exact same screen, but rotated. I've answered this question about 200 times in these comments, it's pinned at the very top and I've followed up with a video in those responses. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7V3aceWrNyqc5c.html

Z Fold is probably a bit better, mostly because of the weight.

Did anyone call it a daunting task? When we talk about these two devices there is a big philosophical difference between the two approaches. By opening to a landscape orientation Google is prioritizing it and is therefore trying to push apps to accommodate tablets. They are also pushing the end user towards tablet layouts. In my opinion, that is the direction we should be pushing towards. Having big phone apps seems like a waste of time by comparison. Of course you can rotate your Z Fold, but by choosing a portrait layout Samsung is not prioritizing true tablet apps.

@@scaryifliteral Agree with your take, and appreciate the fact that the Pixel is the best form factor going forward. That being said, if the Z Fold is turned to landscape am I getting best of both worlds. Better usability in split screen and apps that fill the screen?

@@scaryifliteral Thanks again. I take that as a yes. I want to buy my first Fold device. I am leaning towards the Pixel Fold since I do use Google apps fairly heavily and prefer the Pixel form factor benefits, but I am trying to compare with Z Fold 5 and upcoming One Plus Open. I am life long Note user and the main thing that is holding me back is potential gains in battery life with Gen 2 and S Pen. I agree I will not notice performance gains between chips even when we jump to SD Gen 2. Currently my favorite reviewer. I appreciate your time.

The problem is that when all the famous YT creators dumped on the Pixel Fold for not having full apps in the inner display they did not show by switching to portrait could fix it, but will defend Samsung by saying it is easy to switch modes! Seems agenda-driven at times.

Don't have to optimize for Pixel Fold, just for tablets in general 😁

You can clearly see dust outside the screen protector on both. I've also not used the Z Fold in the last week.

I have both and sadly dust collects on both easily. I wipe it down at least once a day which helps.

One Plus Fold might be your preference.

@@The_Brimada Could be. But even this foldable will not officially come to Germany (to me).

Here is my pinned comment addressing this. When we talk about these two devices there is a big philosophical difference between the two approaches. By opening to a landscape orientation Google is prioritizing it and is therefore trying to push apps to accommodate tablets. They are also pushing the end user towards tablet layouts. In my opinion, that is the direction we should be pushing towards. Having big phone apps seems like a waste of time by comparison. Of course you can rotate your Z Fold, but by choosing a portrait layout Samsung is not prioritizing true tablet apps. I've explained my reasoning well enough on too many occasions. I've talked about rotating it in so many video already, but that's never enough.

@@scaryifliteral I'm not trying to be hostile but the logic is flawed. The ipad is made portrait and the tab s is made landscape. You wouldn't compare a portrait ipad pro to a landscape tab s playing KZfaq and say the tab s is superior.

No, but it would be fair to point out that due to the default orientation people will generally get a different experience with the two devices. I'm not reading this as hostile, just saying I've talked about it in other videos several times.

@@scaryifliteral Yes it's fair to point out but you shouldn't make a full video of it. Every review of an ipad I've ever seen that compares it to any other tablet has them in matching orientations. There are some instances you show like the flex mode, that's fine and is a perfect example of the physical design difference. On an ipad vs tab s it's fair to point to the orientation affecting the camera angles. It's not fair to keep the devices that way for everything else. Particularly confused that you compared KZfaq on a portrait fold vs landscape on pixel and gave it marks for it's bigger video. I honestly think this is something you should at the least never do again. Nothing is restricting the orientations of these devices when open. Not philosophy of design or anything else. Apps are available for both devices equally.

In every way?

Damn straight! 💪🏾

Not many folds can last all day. The Fold 4 gets me 5-6 hours SOT which is similar to the Pixel Fold. The Pixel has a larger battery than the Fold4 which helps it claw back battery life.

I can't be wrong, it's my opinion lol. You're free to disagree though. To restate a bit more clearly though, it's a compound issue. You said the Fold height is the same as any other big phone, and that's true. I don't love it on other huge phones either though. As I've said, if you're having to build software to actively disable parts of your screen so that people can use your phone with one hand you've sort of lost the usability plot. I say it's a compound issue though because not only is it taller than I'd like, it's also more narrow than I'd like. Content ends up being tiny and often out of reach. For me, the Pixel has neither of those issues. Your last sentence is bang on.

How is it the same? It's much more narrow. Both devices match the S21 Ultra pretty well on one axis and not the other.

I just checked that claim and the S21U is about a third wider than the Fold 4 and in fact closer to the Pixel Fold in that metric than it is to the Fold 4.

I was excited for this phone and placed an order based on what I saw in yours and other videos. My only problem is that Google after 48 days of waiting canceled my order and after 4 days of wrangling with their useless help department I ended up buying it through Verizon. I should get my device on the 18th next week and I'm excited thanks for all your help and going through these choices. I have owned two z-folds and I can't live with that skinny screen. I switched to an s23 and that will be my backup. I think the sacrifices you mentioned are worth it for the form factor. Thanks again for a great comparison

Thanks again!

Rough start lol. Hope it's worth it!

Thanks dude! It's certainly no landslide either way. Two different devices that I'm glad exist for people to choose between.

I know. Requiring software to use the entire screen is indicative of bad design.

I've answered this a hundred times already. Check the pinned comment. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7V3aceWrNyqc5c.html

And it'll show less content horizontally lol. Depends totally on the app. Some apps Pixel has more content, some apps Z Fold does.

i have the fold 4, its very easy to carry as even with small hands you can wrap your hands around it and feels like a regular medium size phone in the pocket, though i would prefer a wider cover display.

It's good to have options for different people

I think it's mentioned about 352 times in these very comments. The title of the video directs you to a pinned comment containing an entire video on this.

@@scaryifliteral yeah, I meant in this specific video..

This was the first video I've seen from your channel. I also just watched the video you mentioned, lol it seems you received a lot of slack over the same thing I said, apologies didn't mean to bring it up again lol.

Your comment is fine. You can't see the really fun ones anymore lol

@@scaryifliteral I like your perspective on devices and have subbed to your channel! Keep up the great work!

It will and it will be called the OnePlus Open lol

The OPPO Find N2 will not get a global release and it appears that OPPO are killing that design. The OPPO Find N3 will be a rebranded OnePlus Fold. Not sure you can expect $1200 as that seems impossible. I expect the OnePlus to be $1600 or more if sold in the US.

Definitely not the entire world, gotten enough comments calling me an idiot in the last couple days for a lifetime 😭😂

Not really. It survived being closed on debris, which was good and failed when a ton of force was applied. More force than will ever be applied in real life. At certain point it's like testing phone durability with a wood chipper lol.

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Pinned comment.

Reasonable comment. Thanks for watching.

You decide if it's a problem

IMO It's not a problem that's the whole point of a tablet, and if it is a problem for some users I genuinely like to hear why? I find it really bizarre that review after review keep mentioning and comparing the two devices like the aspect ratio can't be rotated just because each device opens in a different default position, portrait vs. landscape. I own both devices and the pixel in portrait mode does not do a vertical side-by-side multi app display instead it only displays them horizontally. It would be great to see a review comparing both devices when they're in the same aspect ratio on what they're capable of in the same orientation.

​@@wailashshowaf5942I completely agree. My friend just got Pixel Fold and even he says he likes the way the Samsung UI makes better use of the display real estate. Google is in bed with Samsung right now, they should bake some of Samsung's features into the Pixel UI.

Pinned comment. A lot of people are taking out their rough day on me over this video I guess. Thanks for coming back and apologizing though.

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I prefer to leave it. I actually turned off that gesture because I was doing it on accident.. because there are no bezels lol.

I assume you mean taller. Honestly, no. Not only would that just be adding height that I would struggle to reach, it would also make the inner display too square.

Yes, I meant taller. So a smartphone like the Vivo Fold 2 is not your thing (the hardware, not the software)?

I prefer smaller phones, but there are so few. The Vivo phones don't make matters worse with the entirely separate issue of being narrow though.

Wow a sarcastic comment that adds nothing of value to the conversation lol. I have a secret to tell you. When it come to day to day tasks, things aren't really getting faster. The Fold 5 will be pretty much the same as the Fold 4 which was pretty similar to the Fold 3. Are you seeing a pattern?

@@scaryifliteral comment wasn't meant to be that way honestly. You kinda also demonstrated my point of an older an cheaper device is equal to, spec wise a newer device. The tech has reached a pinnacle in smart phones. Now we just have to see if the design catches up. Neither of these phones should cost as much as they do. I would also assume the fold five is going to only improve on the hinge, processer based on current leaks which may lead to a bit better battery life, but no real life changing speed and power. Even the great silicon of Apple which threads all on benchmarks offers no real life speed advantage.Anyway, great comparison break down. Again my apologies.

It doesn't seem like Fold 5 is going to change much about this video. Honestly, I hope they don't change. Give people both options.

@@scaryifliteral I was more talking further down the line, maybe a couple years or so. That is a good point though.

Google could absolutely add this later

I'm sure they can add it but I'm not too sure that the G2 would run it as well as the Qualcomm chips can. AlsoI think Google may make choices to negate the thermal issues of their chips too.

It absolutely would. You can sort of force it with a dev option setting. It could handle 3 or 4 apps fine.

@@scaryifliteral Like I said, it will work but not as smoothly as the Fold 4 would. The G2 is great at everyday tasks but will suffer under heavy load. It was one of the reasons I returned my 7 Pro.

So, you can enable freeform windows on the Pixel and launch like 4 apps all together though. It's every bit as smooth as the Z Fold 4. You'd have to launch multiple games or something really taxing to see the difference.

Using the example of Gmail, when you rotate the ZF4 into landscape mode you do indeed get the same split screen as the PF

Yes, you can rotate the Z Fold to get the tablet layout. That's sort of missing my point though. When we talk about these two devices there is a big philosophical difference between the two approaches. By opening to a landscape orientation Google is prioritizing it and is therefore trying to push apps to accommodate tablets. They are also pushing the end user towards tablet layouts. In my opinion, that is the direction we should be pushing towards. Having big phone apps seems like a waste of time by comparison. Of course you can rotate your Z Fold, but by choosing a portrait layout Samsung is not prioritizing true tablet apps.

@@scaryifliteral I absolutely agree - and it makes some sense in terms of each company’s reasoning behind their decision. Google (as the software developer) designed their foldable for the best tablet experience - but did so in the hopes that app developers would take their lead and further optimize apps for the form factor. Samsung on the other hand, may have chose portrait due to the reality that is the Android App marketplace - most apps are not tablet-ized, so going with portrait mode, while less “tablet-like”, gives the user the best LOOKING experience upon opening the phone.

​@@scaryifliteral​@scaryifliteral Fair enough - have to say that inwas tempted by the PF but I love my ZF4 too much, especially using the s pen on the inner screen. Love your content BTW, keep up the great work!

100%

Why you guys absolutely REFUSE to read the 200 times I've already addressed this or at least the pinned comment is beyond me. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7V3aceWrNyqc5c.html

I give plenty of cons for the pixel fold as well, but you have up too quick. By the end of the video it's pretty close to even. I literally called it an incredible device in the title.

You seem to be arguing that having a cover display that isn't useful for many things is preferable to having one that is. This is hard for me to understand. To me, having two displays which are both very good, well suited for different tasks is pretty much the entire point of a foldable. It's two great devices in one. That seems obviously preferable over one great device and a mediocre cover display, right?

That argument is poor. When paying $1800 there is no excuse for a poor front display and defending the indefensible is flawed logic. I expect a great front and inner display for $1800 and I will decide how much I use each display, not be forced by Samsung because their front display is a design abomination! Samsung has got it wrong and apparently, they know this and will correct it with the Fold 6.

​@@scaryifliteral I upgraded to Fold 4 from the Surface Duo 1 which had amazing thinness probably because it had no front screen. I actually was hoping samsung could find a way to make it that thin even if it means sacrificing the front display. But it being narrow helps make the thickness more handleable, just wished it was more thinner. I think front screens should be kind of like the foldable Flip phones more focus on previewing/checking things. Not used for productivity. I haven't tried the Pixel Fold so maybe I will flip pun intended but for now, I think Samsung should focus more on making device thinner and lighter and think that means sacrificing the front display. As these devices are way too thick. Surface Duo 1 was the prefect thinness. Of course in a world without physics having both would be great, but 2 screens are just going thicker than 1 and the more narrow a device is, the better grip and handle one usually can achieve to accommodate the larger thickness. Like the way I handle the fold 4, imagining it being wider thus heavier will add more cumbersomeness to an already not ideal experience. I'll have to play with the Pixel Fold to see it but right now the Fold 4 seems too thick and bulky and it being wider thus heavier seems like you're going in the wrong direction personally.

Assuming you mean rotate, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7V3aceWrNyqc5c.html

I assume you're talking about the Z Fold because the Pixel's release date was June 27th, 19 days ago.

@@scaryifliteral I got mine on the Jun 27 which is why I said barely 3 weeks old...sorry for the rounding error.

@@scaryifliteral I actually love the phone, the screen was incredible, until it failed...I opened it up last Tuesday in the morning to check email, notice a white line in the middle and I was like WTF....closed it opened it again and then I noticed it just started slowly spreading.... I never dropped l and I've had it in a case the entire time. I'm still waiting on a replacement.

Plus another week waiting on shipping? You're off by like 9 days lol