Plastering Over Artex DIY

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Roger looks at plastering over Artex to see how effective it is.
The art of plastering over Artex can seem like a daunting task to the uninitiated. However, with the right tools and techniques, you can transform your dated Artex ceiling into a sleek and smooth masterpiece. This guide will walk you through the steps you need to take to achieve a successful plastering over Artex project.
Understanding Artex:
Artex is a surface coating used for interior decorating, primarily for ceilings, and was widely popular in homes built between the 1960s and 1980s. The material is known for its textured and patterned finish. However, modern tastes lean towards sleeker, smoother finishes, so many homeowners look for ways to cover their Artex ceilings.
Preparation:
Before you begin, it's important to know that some older Artex can contain asbestos, a harmful material when its fibres are inhaled. If you suspect your Artex might contain asbestos, have it professionally tested and removed if necessary.
Next, gather the necessary tools. You will need a bucket trowel, a plasterer's trowel, plaster, a step ladder, protective sheets, goggles, a dust mask, and possibly a PVA bonding agent.
Procedure:
Safety First: Lay down protective sheets over your floor and furniture. Wear protective gear, including goggles and a dust mask, to avoid inhaling dust or getting plaster in your eyes.
Cleaning: Clean your Artex ceiling. This step will involve removing any dirt, dust, or grease from the surface. Use a brush or vacuum to clear any loose material.
Prepping the Ceiling: Apply a PVA bonding agent if needed. This depends on how porous the Artex is. If it's quite porous, applying a PVA mix can help the new plaster adhere better.
Mix the Plaster: Follow the manufacturer's instructions to create the right consistency. It should be a creamy texture that's not too runny nor too stiff.
Applying the Plaster: Start at one corner of the ceiling and work your way across. Apply a thin first coat of plaster using the plasterer's trowel. It's important to work quickly before the plaster begins to dry.
Smooth the Plaster: After you've applied the first coat, go over it again with your trowel to smooth out any lines or imperfections. You're looking for a flat and even layer.
Second Coat: Once the first coat is dry, repeat the process with a second, thinner layer of plaster.
Final Smoothing: After the second coat, use the trowel again to smooth out the ceiling. This may take a little time and patience, but the result is worth it.
Conclusion:
Plastering over an Artex ceiling can be a rewarding DIY project, and with this step-by-step guide, it should now feel more achievable. Once your ceiling is dry and smooth, you can paint and decorate as desired, giving your room a fresh, updated look. The world of smooth ceilings awaits you!
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@george-1961 11 ай бұрын

I had that textured stipple paint. As soon as plasterer started plastering one point started to sag with the stipple. I eventually had to use a heat gun warming sections and it was easily peeled away from the ceiling. Took about 4 hours. Lucky plasterer had other rooms to work on.

@42RHD 11 ай бұрын

Nice job! And thanks for the top tips for dealing with the dire Artex!

@LupusMechanicus 11 ай бұрын

Looks excellent Roger.

@adrianfulcher4941 11 ай бұрын

Been plastering for 48 yrs two more then retirement, I will not skim over artex without explaining to the customer that the artex will sometimes debond from the board, so they would have to pay for it to be done again . 9 times out of ten you are okay but it can happen. Also get those safety glasses on i got skim plaster in my eyes a few yrs ago and was in hospital for 6 hours having saline wash constantly applied to my eyes, I was lucky they didn't get damaged.

@DoraWillExploreHer 11 ай бұрын

Too true, never spread without the glasses, bonding and hardwall are worse, but a trip to A&E assured.

@vinnysurti 11 ай бұрын

Great point! Sometimes their is a easier option is but people like to do the harder option for some reason! Must stop and think sometimes!

@emmavenvell 11 ай бұрын

A well-timed video! Thanks for covering this. Our kitchen's ceiling is textured paint and nobody wants to touch it, they'd much rather overboard. Reluctant because of low ceilings but also would like a proper job done. Bit of a dilemma.

@ceciljohnrhodes4987 11 ай бұрын

Well done for covering the asbestos risk.

@michaelbradley-yorath9682 11 ай бұрын

Just had 1960's marley floor tiles removed apparently had 1% asbestos as reinforcement used (hopefully white rather than blue, blue is the longer strand the body can't shift from what I remember) much like various modern safer filaments used in epoxy fillers and GRP. There is a big question whether we should remove when found any asbestos, which the given currently is wipe it under the carpet due to the fund set to cover such compensations has been thoroughly emptied. I think at some stage the regulations will tend toward this given the regulatory bodies will start to penalise existing owners of properties when selling as if the properties have pre-existing defects similar to not being up to insulation standards, inefficient boilers and really harm to life materials. So if you own a property with covered over asbestos you may be in for a shock if discovered after a sale when new regulations start to kick in. Also I am flabbered that artex has also asbestos as it only became a thing shortly after the whole blue asbestos drama came to light which was early seventies similar to the lead pipes which my childhood house had in abundance.

@daveburns4951 3 ай бұрын

White is low grade and used in artex. Its very low risk and minimal content. Everyone skims over it

@daveburns4951 3 ай бұрын

Hopefully I sell mine before any regulations change then

@eddjordan2399 11 ай бұрын

smart. done loads of over plastering artex i often sugar soap it first the hit it sticks on there great.

@daveg6948 11 ай бұрын

Nice job 👍

@Perdywerdy1 11 ай бұрын

I sometimes throw a hand full of bonding coat in the first coast, it gives the mix some body without the mix been too heavy to spread, this really helps when laying in over heavy patterns, making the gear just a little less slidy. Then go in top with your skim once it's tightened up 👍

@PaddyAgis 11 ай бұрын

Same as you

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

Great tip!

@SteveHit1 11 ай бұрын

Looks fantastic! Plastering a ceiling (or anything for that matter) is incredibly skilled work, so very impressed you did that! I’ve taken the over boarding with taped joints route a couple of times, and the final result is excellent. I feel that it’s overall faster than skimming, taking into account the drying time for the skim coat, but you do have to wait overnight for sanding between filling, so could be wrong!

@davidelliott5843 11 ай бұрын

A builder friend had to redo the entire ceiling of a fitness gym that he had plastered over Artex. He had done a test that seemed ok, but the wet plaster loosened the Artex and it came down in sheets. No primer on earth was going to fit that. He got it all off with a water spray and scraper. The new plaster was great and client understood the issues.

@tinytonymaloney7832 11 ай бұрын

Being NOT a qualified spread, I have to say that being able to do a reasonable plastering job at home is very satisfying. So what if there are a few dips and bumps, the Good Lord made allowances for such issues by getting somebody to invent the orbital sander and filler 😅. It saves you money for one thing plus getting hold of a spread can take months, which is no help if you want the job done sooner.

@robyndavis3043 11 ай бұрын

That’s a nice kitchen

@thegrandmuftiofwakanda 11 ай бұрын

'Ello I'm that Roger Busy Bee off that Skill Builder channel wot you all like and today I'm getting plastered.

@billy4072 11 ай бұрын

Up the workers! 🤙

@Aspartame69 11 ай бұрын

I was planning on getting a grit painted ceiling plastered, but as i was doing prep, it started to peel so i got most of it off in huge chunks

@stevengordon2145 11 ай бұрын

Laying on with a Flexi..fair play Roger you're a braver man than me 👍🍻

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

I didn't really lay on with that, I was just smoothing but needed a bit more to fill a hollow. I only ever pull that flex out to impress the ladies.

@stevengordon2145 11 ай бұрын

@@SkillBuilder Felix only Impresses the young ones.. 16" of cardon gets em going 🍻

@Droningonuk 11 ай бұрын

You can and i have!

@Lloyd1885 11 ай бұрын

Whenever I hear the term 'overboard' I think of Stanley Unwin...😊 A bit like "I'm going to project manage it' 🙄 Surely its just as easy to talk the right way around? Good informative clip Roger, clear an to the point. Polytex is also flexible and has an aggregate in it which helps tell it apart from artex or similar

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

yes it is a strange term but in the end I just go with some of this nonsense, to have a quiet life, but please don't get me started on pre-book and a load of others. Whatever happened to just booking a ticket, no you are pre-booking.

@Lloyd1885 11 ай бұрын

@@SkillBuilder 😄 good one.... ever noticed how many times you here the words, 'even' and 'literally' mid sentence?, pointless. 🙄....at the moment everything is 'disgusting'/'discusting' (depending on the level of literacy).but my current most hated is 'look' at the start of a sentence, so arrogant Separate note...I finally bought myself a Milwaukie 12v multi-tool on the strength of your reviews....great bit of kit cheers 👍

@drweetabix 4 ай бұрын

Would the artex still dissolve if it's been painted over?

@voodoocars2134 11 ай бұрын

As a qualified plasterer with 20 years experience I can also add that safety glasses are a must.. I have nearly been blinded in one eye due to plaster in it and it’s not good. Other than that your explanation is pretty much spot on 👍

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, good point

@matthewgartell6380 11 ай бұрын

Bloody painful in it.

@LoremIpsum1970 11 ай бұрын

Nice one Roger. If you're free any time this weekend ... 😉

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

Any time so long as you are within a mile of my house.

@retneprac 11 ай бұрын

I've got a question on the part where you say to cover up the asbestos with plaster.. is it not problematic for future generations because eventually, it will have to get ripped out would you be able to tell quite easily that it's in there if the asbestos is skimmed over with plaster?

@Stu81 7 ай бұрын

There is always a risk with asbestos being in a property but knowledge is key, properties built or refurbished before 1999 when asbestos was banned should be considered to have an extremely high chance of containing asbestos so a competent tradesperson would know the popularity of over boarding and over set of artex and textured paints and would take the necessary precautions, obviously you cannot account for the ignorance of a DIY person.

@SyncMan172 11 ай бұрын

Asbestos is a worry for sure. We have just done our test and are awaiting the results as we want the artex ceilings scrapped and plastered. Fingers cross we get the all clear.

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

A steam stripper is great for removng Artex

@SyncMan172 11 ай бұрын

@SkillBuilder Thanks kindly, never thought of that, could save me a lot of time for sure :-)

@schrodingerscat1863 9 ай бұрын

For any DIYer I wouldn't recommend skimming a ceiling unless you have done a fair bit of plastering already and have the basic coordination down. Plastering over your head as a first attempt is going to be extremely messy and not advisable.

@wicked-witch-of-the-west 7 ай бұрын

I've had a DPC done 5 weeks ago, and in parts where the skirting would usually sit, if i put a damp meter on it, it shows 20% moisture. I've been advised this is because the wrong type of plaster has been used. They have used Gypsum thistle bonding and gypsum thistle multi finish plaster. Is this eventually going to dry out? Or will this sit there, and needs redoing

@johnjtplastering6991 7 ай бұрын

Will sit there and blow after a short time

@Tom_Hadler 11 ай бұрын

Super. Now what about woodchip textured ceilings? Apparently it's a pain to remove, what's the best course of action? Tempted by a drop ceiling

@lazylad8544 11 ай бұрын

New boards screwed on. Fresh coat of plaster job done. That's what I did👍👍.

@tinytonymaloney7832 11 ай бұрын

I had that at my 2nd house, tried a wall paper stripper but it just softened the already crumbling ceiling, lathe and plaster, took it down in the end and reboarded, made a mess but well worth the better end result.

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

Yes overboard it, life is too short for removing woodchip.

@Tom_Hadler 11 ай бұрын

@@SkillBuilder So 9mm then I guess will do. And screwed through to joists, obviously. Cheers.

@Lloyd1885 11 ай бұрын

Move house mate!...awful stuff

@Capricorn_IV 11 ай бұрын

Textured paint can also contain asbestos as well as artex

@kendom33 11 ай бұрын

Good point. Absolutely true

@karenteasdale7341 11 ай бұрын

Wish you could do that with woodchipped ceilings😢

@lazylad8544 11 ай бұрын

I'm very impressed by how the kitchen turned out apart from the TV over the sink. Sorry Rodger not for me.

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

Angus did O.K and was brave to take it all on as he is not in the trade. Yes that tele is a bit in the way, I wouldn't have one in a kitchen. To my way of thinking television starts at 9p.m not 7.30 a.m

@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse 11 ай бұрын

So is the boiler, but as long as there is good earthing on the unit or it is a 12 volt TV there shouldn't be an issue.

@fanciboiz2607 3 ай бұрын

What about woodchip ceiling? Can you cover with plaster?

@SkillBuilder 3 ай бұрын

That is risky. I have seen it done but if it is that well stuck on just put new plasterboard over the old ceiling

@rustyrob Ай бұрын

Got my Polytex off with steamer goes soft then just peels off brilliantly.

@SkillBuilder Ай бұрын

Yes I have done that quite a lot but if the textured coating is covering cracks you still end up skimming it.

@tonyc1167 8 ай бұрын

Plastered an Artex ceiling yesterday and on my last trowel the whole lot come down was devastated, i used sbr for primer, next time it will be over board and skim or blue grit, and price will be increased as it to much hassle and takes lot longer to do a Artex ceiling, if customer not happy with price then get someone else. Artex ceilings are just to risky and hard work.

@nicholaswestlake6804 11 ай бұрын

Problem with leaving is you leave a trap for anyone who tries to drill or remove in future: how many homeowners keep an Asbestos Register and pass it on when selling?

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

just assume that any dust is bad for you

@matthewsmyth2833 5 ай бұрын

Are you using a flexible trowel to put the plaster on .

@SkillBuilder 5 ай бұрын

no I just had it in my hand and needed to make up a hollow spot. I am begining to go off the flexi trowel after watching Kirk from On The Trowel

@matthewsmyth2833 5 ай бұрын

@SkillBuilder it won't get the wall flat mate not rigid enough. I use a plastic trowel to polish up. I don't use flexi anymore and they damage very easy because the material is so soft

@DoraWillExploreHer 11 ай бұрын

So, distemper is the disolvable artex looking product and cannot be plastered onto even with a grit product. Artex (old) has 5% asbestos so should not be sanded or scraped. Use bond-it and put a few handfuls of bonding in the first mix (magic mix) and then a normal mix of multifinish on the second spread. If the ceiling disolves like roger stated, it should be removed or overboarded. Distemper does not have asbestos in it, but before embarking on a project as a DIYer you should get your artex tested before you start for asbestos.

@4272005 11 ай бұрын

@1:03 What was the tape called and what is it for?

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

scrim tape for the joins in the boards. The old ceiling was showing crack lines along the joints.

@matthewgartell6380 11 ай бұрын

'Scrim tape' it's a reinforcing tape made from glass fibre mesh. We use it to prevent cracking especially on plasterboard joints. They were embedding it over cracks in the ceiling, this prevents cracks from transferring to the skim coat ( not always)

@Turtleh3ad 11 ай бұрын

Can you overboard if the ceiling has asbestos in ?

@DoraWillExploreHer 11 ай бұрын

Yes you can.

@Turtleh3ad 11 ай бұрын

@@DoraWillExploreHer Really ? I've got a property recently just bought and I think one of the ceilings is asbestos. Would drilling into it to overboard it and drilling into it to put spots in be a big no no?

@DoraWillExploreHer 11 ай бұрын

@@Turtleh3ad Get a dust extractor and use a collated screw gun and there should not be too much dust. It is white asbestos in artex, only 5% in concentration, and not the fire-retardant brown stuff. Get it checked and tested first and wear an ABEK-1-filtered full face mask and open the windows whilst doing it with a full Painter's spraying oversuit and you will be fine.

@gingerelvis 11 ай бұрын

I know its common practice but I'm not a fan of overboarding, seems like a lot of extra weight to be hanging off the existing structure. Having just had 5 ton of lath and plaster ceilings deposed of from a small 2 bed town house at about a ton a room it all adds up.

@davidelliott5843 11 ай бұрын

Lath & plaster is much heavier than 9mm boards and skim.

@gingerelvis 11 ай бұрын

True but it's still 11kg a sheet on top of old lath and plaster plus the skim. A lot of people overboard with 12mm so that's 24kg a sheet. The original joists in my loft (the house was built in 1903) are only 4x3 if that 😅 I didn't really fancy that kind of weight hanging over my head so ripped it out and boarded in 12.

@mickellis8747 11 ай бұрын

Here in Australia I use a CSR product called Gyprock 45 minute cornice cement. It's a powdered product you mix with water to the required consistency and use it like plaster float. It goes over anything and sticks like shit to a blanket and can be polished up very nicely. I learned how to render from watching some of your videos and learned how to white set from this guy kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a92njNFzyN65pWg.html

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

That is interesting, I would have imagined that cornise cement was way to brittle but I will give it a go. We know Blane, he is a good guy and teaches well.

@davidelliott5843 11 ай бұрын

Artex is a water based texturing product that softens under any new plaster. It has to be removed or boarded over.

@martindonaton3603 2 ай бұрын

Roger u should not be using a flexible trowel in my opinion at all but defiantly to lay on with they shouldn’t be used until the final wet trowel at best 😊

@SkillBuilder 2 ай бұрын

I did not use the flexible trowel to lay on, I just spotted a hollow spot and use some of the fat from the wet trowel to fill it in.

@tazmaniandevil1503 11 ай бұрын

I hate artex. Our house had it on every ceiling. That stipple that looks like fat after a chip pan fire. Every room got strapped out with 2"x1" and re-boarded. I even managed to get nice fire-proof pot lights to fit inside the new ceiling cavity.

@gdfggggg 11 ай бұрын

I scrape off all the high points, then put on a neat coat of SBR. It seals the surface and leaves a low suction surface. The plaster sticks to it like sh.. to a blanket. I find PVA is not as effective as SBR. Two coats of plaster.

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

SBR rules for sure

@gdfggggg 11 ай бұрын

@@SkillBuilder yup 👍🏻

@jonesconrad1 11 ай бұрын

I'd have SBR'd rather than PVA then magic mixed it before skimming, easier to SBR the skrim on as well.

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

SBR is waterproof. You have to hit it when it is wet. PVA is water soluble.

@JJPlastering 11 ай бұрын

@@SkillBuilder A lot of spreads including me are using SBR now, including on ceilings. Dries quicker, one coat, and controls suction better. No issues using it.

@jonesconrad1 11 ай бұрын

@@SkillBuilder I skim over it dry all the time, it's a myth you need to do it wet.

@jonesconrad1 11 ай бұрын

@@JJPlastering 💯 brother

@greighooper5295 8 ай бұрын

U int fitting a kitchen with them walls!!!!!!!!!!!

@fireblaster9961 11 ай бұрын

Oh no this will get the plasters ramped up

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

I hope so.

@chrisblack9348 11 ай бұрын

Why you laying on with a flexi trowel???

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

I wasn't. I just used it to fill a little hollow.

@chrisblack9348 11 ай бұрын

@@SkillBuilder should of gave ceiling a coat of bonding first to get over the texture then skim

@malcolmfunnell4501 11 ай бұрын

Plaster or artex , or pull your fingernails out with pliers, tuff call

@joepotter8795 11 ай бұрын

Do not stick to plastering roger. Clearly not something you do often 😅

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

Sticking to one thing all your working life? I can't imagine a life so boring.

@terry4144 11 ай бұрын

never plaster over poly ripple it blisters

@stevedawson4928 11 ай бұрын

Never a good idea to skim over artex I always do a professional job overboard and skim some artex is water based and can start to bubble also artex ceilings are often covering old cracked and loose plaster

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

Yes and that is why I suggested finding out what you have on the ceiling and not just assuming it is a plaster based textured coating.

@stevedawson4928 11 ай бұрын

Was in the trade for over 50 years and still learning from some of your videos 👍and just like to say not bad skimming for a plumber😊

@wolfer000 11 ай бұрын

Next up...plasterer teaching people how to plumb your kitchen and bathroom 😂

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

Embrace diversity, you can be anything you want to be.

@leadster88 11 ай бұрын

Shut up you plum.

@wolfer000 11 ай бұрын

And today I identify as a plumber 🙃

@tomvincent5596 11 ай бұрын

Plenty of people in the world who are good at more than one trade. I started of as a carpenter but do everything.

@MrSantacruzz 7 ай бұрын

That was difficult to watch

@SkillBuilder 7 ай бұрын

close your eyes

@simonstones1918 11 ай бұрын

Roger, I can tell you’re not an experienced plasterer 😅

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

I never claimed to be an experienced plasterer, I could never have done that job day in day out but I can put a ceiling on and plaster a wall in my own awkward way.

@simonstones1918 11 ай бұрын

@@SkillBuilder no I know, you’re a great plumber. I get it. It was just an observation 😇 I was a plaster for 30 years before retraining as a plumber/gas engineer. No doubt you’d have similar observations with my gas work. Funny how one can notice these little things having spent so long doing a trade.

@seanoxborough5830 7 ай бұрын

Can tell he ain't no plasterer

@SkillBuilder 7 ай бұрын

You are right but the finish was good.

@laurencebushby713 11 ай бұрын

unfortunately covering artex that contains asbestos is not acceptable as future occupiers have no idea that its there and coatings like artex come high in danger on the ratings on asbestos surveys , you would need to put an asbestos warning sticker on it and get a survey done so the asbestos is registered for any other workers that come to the property!

@ianturner8459 11 ай бұрын

What are you talking about .Artex is fine if it's not disturbed.nothing wrong with over boarding or re skimming Artex ....it's when you start to pull the ceilings down that the trouble starts . 4:01

@laurencebushby713 11 ай бұрын

@@ianturner8459 Well if you did not get it ,thats what i was on about ! how would you know that someone had covered it up and it could be you pulling the ceiling down!!

@ianturner8459 11 ай бұрын

@@laurencebushby713 As far as I am aware the amount of asbestos used in Artex which was mostly in the 70s to late 80s is negligible. But if you are removing any ceiling and you are worried about Artex then it's down to you to proceed with caution and implement the correct measures needed to deal with it . I and many plasterers must of covered millions of ceilings that were artexed . Do you really expect people buying and selling Houses to insist on testing for asbestos containd in any Artex. Like I said if it not being disturbed then it present no problem.

@SkillBuilder 11 ай бұрын

I think it was about 4% which is enough to kill you.

@laurencebushby713 11 ай бұрын

@@ianturner8459 I understand that its safe left alone but as a former asbestos surveyor , it does leave a problem for future workers asbestos was used in it till very early eighties, and if your a builder and can see it you can take precautions if its hidden well you are basically working blind, unless you have a house survey done and the builder can read it and work accordingly.