Plastic Nose Cone Mods

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John Coker

John Coker

Күн бұрын

This video shows you how to add nose weight and build an electronics bay into a plastic nose cone. See jcrocket.com/plastic-nose-mods... for details.

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@karmasurge4842
@karmasurge4842 Жыл бұрын
This guy is a genius! Good work man
@sed6
@sed6 9 ай бұрын
I copied this design 7 years ago and it still works great! I used an eye bolt instead of a u-bolt.
@donnieporter7890
@donnieporter7890 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video you have given me so many great tips and ideas
@mguerramd
@mguerramd 2 жыл бұрын
JB Weld makes an epoxy for plastic. I used it to glue together a piston in an espresso machine that is exposed to high temperatures and pressure. Holds like a champ.
@ChaseColbert
@ChaseColbert 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome videos!!! Keep making more! -chase
@furroy
@furroy 10 жыл бұрын
love your vids john!
@scottvandenhout1796
@scottvandenhout1796 3 жыл бұрын
Awsome video keep them coming
@lcdmonitor1981
@lcdmonitor1981 5 жыл бұрын
Man I really need a shop sink in the garage, maybe that’ll be my next project
@sandorbogyo7758
@sandorbogyo7758 10 ай бұрын
John, your videos are fantastic! I started building rockets (from Hungary) at the age of 70, thanks to your influence! My question is, what is the diameter of the brass crossbar when building the nose cone weight?
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words. I don't think it's critical, but I believe I used 1/8" rod (2-3mm). I think larger is a bit less likely to tear the plastic.
@2101Striper
@2101Striper 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your modification. This looks very useful. Nice work.What are your favorite tools to use when cutting the plywood centering rings and bulkheads?
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 8 жыл бұрын
+2101Striper My favorite tool for cutting all flat parts is a CNC router. Someday additive manufacturing will make everything, but for now machining is still the way to go. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qrWmepOflpOyf5s.html
@jimrky6062
@jimrky6062 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Question: Why not use short brass "pins" inserted through the nosecone into the T-nut ring to provide more mechanical advantage?
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 3 жыл бұрын
I hadn't thought of that, but I'm sure that would add some strength.
@ussling
@ussling 3 жыл бұрын
What is the brand and model of the wristwatch you are wearing in this video?
@frankwaters2133
@frankwaters2133 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you John for these instructions. I am attempting this with the same nosecone, and wonder if the outer diameter of the ring being bonded to the nosecone is still available in your records? Having that dimension as a reference should save some trial and error. Thanks again.
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I don't recall any longer. I picked a ring out of the parts box and just sanded it to fit. (That was the old days of hand work.)
@samatwood5847
@samatwood5847 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great video, I plan on making these mods to my 4" plastic LOC Goblin nose cone. I've ordered a 3.9" OD, 54mm plywood centering ring. I don't have a CNC machine. What is the best way to size this centering ring to fit into the nose cone, since it will be too large?
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker Жыл бұрын
What I actually did here was sand down an existing CR. You don't need to take much off for it to fit inside the cone, above the shoulder.
@normanperkel139
@normanperkel139 4 жыл бұрын
Hi John, first allow me to say thank you for producing these videos. A LOT has changed with the hobby that I left 40 years ago! Okay, so here is my question, how do we know how much lead shot to use in our rockets? By using simulation software, or is there a different way that you like to use?
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 4 жыл бұрын
First of all, most rockets don't need any. But if you are building a custom design, you should verify by comparing the center of pressure and gravity. You can do that through simulation, but I prefer to measure after the rocket is built. See this video for details: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f9KKfdFzzZPKh3k.html
@normanperkel139
@normanperkel139 4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnLCoker Thanks John. What I am doing is modifying an existing kit from 29mm engines to 38mm so I will have more choices of engines to use a a variety of fields near my home. Again, thanks for your help, and stay safe and healthy.
@samatwood5847
@samatwood5847 Жыл бұрын
PS to my last comment: Instead of using plywood for the centering ring and bulk plates, could we use 3-D printed pieces? Would they hold up to the ejection and recovery stresses?
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker Жыл бұрын
Yeah, 3D printing would probably be fine. You'd just have to make sure it could withstand the recovery forces if you put an eye bolt through it.
@samatwood5847
@samatwood5847 Жыл бұрын
I've completed the ebay for my 4" Goblin plastic nose cone following your instructions. I am using a Perfectflight MiniAlt/WD altimeter for dual deployment using a line cutter for the main chute. Where should I put the sampling hole in the nose cone (for the altimeter), and what diameter should it be? Thanks.
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker Жыл бұрын
I would put one 1/4" (6mm) hole on the side about 1" (25mm) above the shoulder. You want it in relatively smooth airflow. I usually also take advantage of the pressure equalization hole to provide switch access.
@samatwood5847
@samatwood5847 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnLCoker Thanks!
@TheMightymo05
@TheMightymo05 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, John. In many of your videos you use a substance you call "ca." If I may ask, what is it?
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 6 жыл бұрын
"CY" or "CyA" are abbreviations for cyanoacrylate adhesives, such as "Crazy Glue". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate
@scottvandenhout1796
@scottvandenhout1796 Жыл бұрын
Love your rocketry videos. Would love to see more. Could you please let me know the dimensions of the ring and sled bulkhead please
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker Жыл бұрын
The ring is cut to fit inside the nose cone; the exact dimensions are going to vary. I started with a regular CR and sanded it down until it fit tightly just above the shoulder of the nose cone.
@scottvandenhout1796
@scottvandenhout1796 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnLCoker thank you
@chuckc7423
@chuckc7423 2 жыл бұрын
Any chance you would make a kit to sell for the exact same nose cone?
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I don't sell anything.
@aryakeyvan1814
@aryakeyvan1814 8 жыл бұрын
How does the gps get a signal from inside the rocket?
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 8 жыл бұрын
The GPS (radio) frequencies will travel through materials such as plastic.
@RME76048
@RME76048 5 жыл бұрын
First time I ever saw caviar used as nose weight.
@rongould112
@rongould112 3 жыл бұрын
Did you cut the wood parts yourself.??
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the ring a modified standard centering ring, sanded outside to fit into the nose.
@b.h9186
@b.h9186 3 жыл бұрын
how you did this nose cone ? sorry for doing to many question
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 3 жыл бұрын
This is a Loc/Precision nose cone.
@BurningtunaDC
@BurningtunaDC 7 жыл бұрын
Someone could make some nice coin selling the wood parts used to modify nosecones. I doubt that I could be able to cut the wood pieces myself. Thanks for all your wonderful videos.
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 7 жыл бұрын
PML makes a similar product: Intelli-Cone (publicmissiles.com/product/nosecones).
@BurningtunaDC
@BurningtunaDC 7 жыл бұрын
John, thank you for answering my question. Being that I am building the Estes V2 I would want to keep the nosecone which came with the kit. The base of the nose cone is measured 6 cm across. Couldn't I just buy 2 56 mm wooden bulkheads cut the base of the nosecone off as you demonstrated, epoxy one bulkhead into the nosecone, screw the eye bolt into the the second bulkhead, and then once the epoxy dries fasten the two bulkheads together with a couple of small screws or even wing nuts?
@BurningtunaDC
@BurningtunaDC 7 жыл бұрын
I just realized that I will have to cut a big hole in bulkhead I install in the rocket. Will this make my 22" Estes V2 too top heavy?
@BurningtunaDC
@BurningtunaDC 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry for all the questions but if I use a bulkhead and a wood centering ring I will have recreated what you did. Per Apogee Rocket's web site the bulkhead, centering ring, and Firefly altimeter weigh around 21 grams. The clay that Estes supplies is 7 grams. I am concluding that your method of nosecone mode is not for this rocket. Am I correct?
@BurningtunaDC
@BurningtunaDC 7 жыл бұрын
Recalculation: Altimeter & ebay will be 16 grams.
@jqavins
@jqavins 4 жыл бұрын
I have both a question and two comments on the cross rods for the nose weight. First, why metal? Wouldn't wood dowels be easier to finish, i.e. take simpler paints and be easir to shape than brass or aluminum? I'd suggest not using diaginal cutters to snip the rods. You're using a saw later, which leaves a much cleaner amd closer cut, so why not just saw them off in the first place? And finally, since razor saws are meant for wood and cardboard, even relatively soft metals like brass or aluminum are pretty hard on them. Use a hack saw or jeweler's saw.
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 4 жыл бұрын
Sure, wood would probably work as well, especially since it ends up encased in epoxy. There's just not much thickness to the nose cone, which is all the mechanical support those rods are going to get. (The epoxy won't stick especially well to the inside of the nose.)
@pisolo86
@pisolo86 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnLCoker ho John, regarding this last point. How you ensured that the electronic bay was bonded well if is so difficult to have adhesion inside? I saw people embedding threaded rods into the epoxy in the top of the nosecone. Is this overkill? Thank you as always
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 2 жыл бұрын
@@pisolo86 If you rough up the plastic inside with sandpaper, you get a surface to which epoxy can bond. Note that epoxy bonds are mechanical, not chemical so you just need a surface with texture.
@pisolo86
@pisolo86 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnLCoker i am probably go to do this on a zephyr nosecone, which is quite big and for a tracker is more than enough. Thank you John as always!
@pillsburydoughhoe9696
@pillsburydoughhoe9696 5 жыл бұрын
Is this Acrylic?
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 5 жыл бұрын
No, these are blow-molded; not sure what kind of plastic, but more flexible than Acrylic.
@minervasandoval7815
@minervasandoval7815 4 жыл бұрын
Good Hands!...
@pamgreene7224
@pamgreene7224 10 жыл бұрын
Hi, Just wondering about the E-bay Mod. What do you use for vent holes? Do you drill them in the cone?
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 10 жыл бұрын
Sure, just put them a half-caliber or so above the shoulder lip.
@pamgreene7224
@pamgreene7224 10 жыл бұрын
Ok, Thanks
@daveb.3169
@daveb.3169 3 жыл бұрын
Why weight the cone tip?
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it's needed for stability, especially with short rockets. Generally it's not, so you should only add to make a rocket stable if it's not naturally.
@skyprop
@skyprop 6 жыл бұрын
How do you know how much weight to add to the nose when you don't even know how much "Payload" you are adding??? I.E. Payload Bay.
@JohnLCoker
@JohnLCoker 6 жыл бұрын
I don't add nose weight until the rocket is nearly complete, so that would be one of the last things I do. I prefer to override the measure weight and center of gravity (CG) in the simulator and just use it to calculate the center of pressure (CP).
@vendright
@vendright 3 жыл бұрын
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