Sorry I had to take that victory at the last second lol, but for the sake of content, so worth.

Tbf, you had a teh confirmed witch in your sights, but bottled that execution

He would absolutely run circles around them

@@lucasbrautigam6781 I’m imagining a evil spectrum, with a Lawful Ben and a Chaotic Isaac (see ‘Twin Magic’ for context)

Put Carly in there too I’d be curious what would happen

@@MsFortunagirl I think all of them would learn a thing or two from an experienced player like Ben in the team. I wish there was a minion role were they could ask for input from the Storyteller like the Savant, Artist, etc could.

They now have a game with Ben as a player. I think it was a Patreon one.

honestly truly an inspiration

That's a creative as heck idea that would work. If the Evil Twin were good-aligned, then you could twin them with the Recluse that registers as 'evil' to the good Evil Twin. When showing the twins each other's roles, you should probably show the Evil Twin an evil role that the Recluse is registering as, just for good measure. But yeah, this is one corner case where the Twins can actually be the same alignment. - Evin

@@BloodontheClocktower In the case of a good Evil Twin and a Recluse, do you need to kill the "evil" twin that's the Recluse to win the game as townfolk, or does that lose you the game if you are the townfolk?

@@RoderickEtheria Because the Evil Twin always has to be paired with a twin of the opposite alignment, a Recluse will always need to be registering as evil to a good-aligned Evil Twin for them to remain in a twin pair. If at any point the Recluse starts registering as 'good' to the good-aligned Evil Twin, the Storyteller should pick a new twin partner for the Evil Twin. This means that if a good-aligned Evil Twin and a Recluse are paired together, the good team will need to kill the Recluse (i.e. the "evil" one) before they can win the game, and if they execute the good-aligned Evil Twin they would lose. - Evin

@@BloodontheClocktower so if the evil registered "good twin" Recluse is put on the block could you then as storyteller make them register as good right before they die and give a new evil "good twin" to the good Evil Twin the following night? The new information would be good but the evil twin will be under scrutiny, kid who cried wolf style

@@EdsonR13 Yeah if you wanted to get funky you could do this. - Evin

You totally can.

@@fawful9992 Nice.

Yup, but deaths will be arbitrary.

@@bogardeth I think thats ST choice because the arbitrary death could be to remove the extra demon. But if its just one demon to another but its just the same player. They could rule to let the demons kill go through.

The answer's a little complex, but it was necessary for the Evil Team to win in the way that they did. Because Grolen was registering as a minion for the Vigormortis's ability, one of their Townsfolk neighbours must be poisoned. Because Simon was the Butler, Andrew was one of the Townsfolk neighbours of Grolen, meaning Andrew (an Evil Virgin) would remain poisoned for as long as they were the Townsfolk neighbour of Grolen. By turning Simon into a Townsfolk (any Townsfolk), it means that Andrew is no longer a Townsfolk neighbour of the "minion" Grolen, meaning they can no longer be poisoned. Andrew would not have been able to self-nominate on the final day for the Evil win unless Simon had been turned into a Townsfolk. - Evin

@@BloodontheClocktower Hey thanks for replying! I think the wording of the poison part of the Vigormortis is what tripped me up there. I understood why Andrew was poisoned but I assumed once he had been poisoned that it would stick to him. My understanding was that once a Vigormortis kills a minion the person who is poisoned is decided at that point (Andrew) and stays that way. The wording doesn't imply that the poison can be moved onto somebody else if their character changes Thanks again for the explanation, I hope it helps out any other BOTC newbies!

@@markthomas3130 On the off-chance this clarification still helps a later viewer down the track, the key part to the wording of "minions you kill ... poison 1 Townsfolk neighbor" is that the "neighbor" bit must still stay "true" through game state changes. With the Outsider neighbor (Simon) being changed into a Townsfolk, this means that Andrew is no longer a Townsfolk _neighbor_ of the Recluse (who registered as a Minion), which renders the ability "false", therefore the poisoning must be moved in order to keep it "true". So it's not so much a thing of "movement being allowed", but rather "the ability statement must remain true".

​@@TheFinalChapters I would reason that, yes, changing the Recluse into a different non-Minion role would remove the poisoning, because the Vigormortis's ability is for "Minions you kill", and the player who was the Recluse can no longer register as a Minion, on account of no longer being a Recluse (and being changed into a non-Minion role).

@@BloodontheClocktower Since the ability of a Vigor-killed minion disappears if they are no longer a minion (e.g. if you had Pit Hagged yourself this game), does this mean that the Recluse *has to* stay registering as a minion for the rest of the game? I assume the ST can make them not register as a minion at any time, and that would technically remove the poisoning, but what would happen in the case where a Ravenkeeper checked the Recluse and a minion was not shown? Does this mean that the Recluse didn't register as a minion at that time and thus ended the poison, even if it later "became a minion" again?

OK. It's been over 2 years since I played this game and I remember absolutely nothing about it, but I'll try my best to answer your questions, assuming they pertain to the kind of things newer players tend to ask about. 1. Based on what you've typed, it sounds like a new Virgin was created by a Pit Hag, mid-game. When a new character or new instance of a character come into play. it is considered a fresh instance of that character and all abilities are completely reset. A Chef would get fresh info, a Slayer who has used their shot would get another try, and a Virgin's ability would be considered unspent. 2. Yes, it would absolutely make sense for the Cerenovus to pick a dead player. Dead players tend to be trusted more than living ones, so incentivising one of them to lie is always useful. Don't forget, if the dead player breaks madness, they could be executed (as per the Cerenovus' ability), thus wasting a day of execution, which the good team only has a limited number of. Remember that the execution is a part of the Cerenovus' ability, not their victims, so it makes no difference if their victim is dead or alive, the execution can and will still happen. - Ben

@@BloodontheClocktower Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. What you write makes sense, I just didn't know about some of the details. There really are many small things to consider in this game. Gonna buy it, when it becomes available again, looks like great fun 🙂

On trouble Brewing and this script the top four roles are first-night information roles, so they get rolled into the moniker "top four"

Yup. Not advised as good would win since the demon is dead.

Yep, evil Slayers should be looking to avoid shooting demons. However, if a Pit-Hag turned themselves or another evil player into an evil Slayer with the express purpose of killing the Recluse (which the Slayer can do because the Recluse can register as a demon to the Slayer) I'd totally allow that because it's rad as heck. :D - Evin

If all you want is for the Pit Hag to stay hidden, they can just try to make people into the Pit Hag. It's very easy to "sink" Pit Hag conversions, but generally not very useful.

That's correct. After the player dies from the Witch curse, the day continues and the vote on the nomination plays out as normal. - Evin

Also, I'm wondering if the Barista can make the Drunk sober. I assume so, but I can't find a Travellers almanac.

@@darbyl3872 You could use a Barista to give the Drunk true information, and let them know it's true. A Drunk can receive true information under normal circumstances. However, the Drunk character is not a Townsfolk that is permanently drunk as a status, they are *the* Drunk - an Outsider who is not that Townsfolk at all. As such, even a Barista may not be enough to make them "sober" if they have to use an ability that does something, like a Monk or a Virgin. This case isn't covered in the rulebooks, but, so if a Storyteller makes a different decision in-game, and players know the way they would choose to run this interaction, that's fine. - Evin

@@BloodontheClocktower I like the idea of not letting it work on the Drunk, since drunk is not as much their state as their identity. Their sober / healthy ability is to not be sober. But I agree that other ST's could rule it differently. Thanks

It hardly mattered; Nathan approached Ben himself.

Technically, he made her an evil twin, so he encouraged her to commit crimes and gave her a copy of herself

Anyone can propose exiling an travellers. Dead players get free votes on exiling travellers

If you're talking about when Nicky nominated Nathan, the Barista, then I think because the Barista is a Traveller. Travellers cannot be executed and are only exiled, anyone can nominate and/or vote for the traveller to be exiled no matter if they are dead or alive. So because of that Nicky was able to nominate Nathan and any dead players could vote for it and not lose their vote token. It's all to do with how Travellers work I think. But that's my understanding of it, if that makes sense?

Speed was not a factor at all in the last day, as long as Pat didn't nominate Andrew. Case 1: Duke nominates Pat before Andrew can nominate himself -> Andrew can just nominate himself after Pat is put on the block and immediately end the game. Case 2: Duke nominates Andrew before Andrew can nominate himself -> Nobody is left to nominate the Demon.