“Beholders have an anti magic eye cone, how could he read without putting out the lights” Quote from the anti magic cone: “At the start of each of its turns, the beholder decides which way the cone faces and whether the cone is active” The beholder can just turn it off

I actually liked the part where he found out there's another beholder nearby because this one is a deathkiss. Made him seem like an experienced monster hunter

Personally, I’d prefer someone who does this than a rules lawyer. As long as they don’t try to correct the dms own written lore.

I have NEVER heard of a DM literally just saying "You have a heart attack and die", but boy howdy is that now something I am terrified of

Got to admire the guy, scientifically accurate to the end.

This went from a almost Rule Lawyer, to a Detective making the DM have to improvise, To a commentary on the alignment system, to a obnoxious almost Rule Lawyer again, To the DM who failed trying to prove a point. This seems quite accurate indeed to the lore of DND Sessions and how they might go.

XP: "That's fair." Me: *Dead from laughing so hard.* That would have been my reaction as well.

The part where they jump to conclusions is my party. One time they saw two nobles talking and look at the party during a feast in their honor, so they all drew swords and attacked them. After the session I asked why, and they said "because they were going to poison us." They were just two guys talking about them. They were a plot hook, not a threat.

I feel personally attacked

Love the joke at the beginning where both the DM and the Rogue were anxious they might be facing a rules lawyer.

3:40 "The alighment specifed in the monsters stat block is the default. Feel free to change it to suit the needs of your campaign. If you want a good aligned green dragon or a evil storm giant, there is nothing stopping you." -dnd 5e monster manual page 7 on alignment paragrah 2

For the record, beholder's can turn off their antimagic cone, so the beholder could've been in the cave

Player: That’s fair. DM: NOT ITS NOT!!! Is today Opposite Day? Are we in an alternate reality?

Lore corrector: "Technically tieflings cant be blue, it says human pigments and shades of red only" Tiefling PCs: *is every color to ever exist*

The DM notes that just say "lil beholder attacks the village" I thought was really cute

Hahaha! I love the DM's "No, that is not fair!" But at the same time, respect for rules lawyer being consistent.

The whole, "there must be a beholder nearby" and the dm just rolling with it is like 90% of my games

3:11 actually svirfneblin's alighnment is 'good', making them the only un hostile creature- I think I get the point of this video

Be group of drow Be chaotic good and followers of Eilistraee Escape from oppressive society and try to seek refuge outside the Underdark Run into a beholder's cave by mistake Get slaughtered and die 30ft away from the light of the sun Be discovered after the fact by a group of adventurers "Looks like the beholder is actually doing us a favor. Good riddance."

That's why we always distinguish between character knowledge and player knowledge. That's why you write backstories for your character so the DM can anticipate what your character might know. That's why the DM (should usually) reads up on lore aspects if he can anticipate a PC might know about it.

"That's fair" - Say what you want, the man has integrity

I love the fact that Jacob is able to play an entire party and still have the effect of a crazy table

I like this lore lawyer. In fact, I try to anticipate their points in advance and build that into the story.

As a DM I usually roll with this when players show interest and knowledge, I can't tell you how many times players have made things harder for themselves by giving me ideas mid session.

“That’s fair” made me laugh so hard. I’ve exasperated my fellow party members on more than one occasion with the same sentiment towards the stuff my DM has thrown at me.

I actually see this as an opportunity, if the player starts writing the quest for me I consider it a win

Sounds almost like a benefit (albeit annoying) to have this person since they can passively help flesh out your game

I mean, his in-depth knowledge of the lore led to a far more immersive and entertaining, tense campaign, and he didn't even complain when lore accuracies hurt his personal character. That's exactly the kind of guy I wanna play D&D with.

that's when "give me an Intelligence roll" is the best tool in the DM's kit. that's also why the DM doesn't need a complete story, just some ballpoints that *will* be filled by the players.

I actually think these players can be pretty invested and I appreciate them as a DM

Well, seems to me that aside from the bit at the end, the player was of great help to the GM who was clearly underprepared for the session. Even the bit at the end, the GM could have spun off on. "Yeah, what a mystery" *gives the beholder a piwerful 'ally' who uses the library* Would be more of an issue if it was a prepared adventure, but since it seems wholly improvised, the extra lore only seem to help.

Gotta respect his dedication to being THAT-guy. "That's fair." lmao

For the record, the Incoming Rules Lawyer at the beginning is about the shortsword not being a thrown weapon.

Now we only need the _Lore Lawyer vs Rules Lawyer_ video.

I honestly think it’s cool when someone knows this much and plays some sort of experienced monster hunter, kinda like Geralt

He never did actually disagree with anything, he was just questioning everything, and even handed free plot to the unprepared DM. Sounds like a pretty great player to me.

that final "That's fair" and the reaction, 😂

Gotta give this lore corrector respect for accepting his fate. The others might not like his convictions, but he stands by them to the bitter end.

I liked the beginning with the specific lore packed into a story that was such a nice way to learn stuff. Make this more little story about a monster or a town or something that captures a lot of lore.

this entire video was just *chef's kiss* I love the multiple instances of subverted expectations and the dm's expression when he looked down at "lil beholder attacks village" 1:56

This is why you ask your DM "What do I know about this creature?" Official sources are nice and all but your DM is the ultimate authority on how their world works and your character doesn't necessarily know all the details.

Gotta say, unlike a rules lawyer he honored the same set of rules regardless

Alternate title: Helpful player helps unprepared half assed DM make their campaign interesting

1:17 This is how most of my best adventures come to reality. I just come up with a rough outline of a story arch, dangle situations, let the party deal with them, listen to their in-game input (without comment) and steal and combine the best bits to move us along from location to location and milestone to milestone.

Love that setup. Once I get my own place that’s what I’m doing with one of my rooms

When I started getting interested in the Forgotten Realms Lore, I was that guy. I was proud of knowing all of this fiction and wanted to show. I wasn't as obnoxious as Goodberry-Shirt-Jacob, but it was hard not to metagame, man.

is it bad that I actually loved that player and would want him in my game? :D Provided that he would RP that lore knowledge (his character would have to know it) and was ready to accept that it might be hearsay (meaning reality in my world is different but some people believe this version) or that it's general truth but exceptions exist.

Best sketch you've done in a while. Shows both good and bad side of this kind of player (I'm kind of one of these) and also very funny ending

All of this is mitigated when you create a homebrew world. Drives my Forgotten Realms obsessed brother crazy

Is it bad that this makes me nostalgic. I used to play with a whole group of people like this. Half our games were arguing rules and lore.

I'd lowkey love to have a player like this at the table

"All Drow are evil." The Crystal Shard and Dark Elf trilogy: "allow us to introduce ourselves."

That "lore knowing player" is a top notch, we need more of these guys in the TTRPG community.

"Can I still end its life?" is basically just how I play my barbarian Zhanna.

The first bit with the “where did this thing come from?” Is really cool. I’d love to have somebody who did the whole Experienced Monster Hunter thing

I generally find it funny how little 5e talks about anything, I haven't played older editions but I read about them a lot, and I'm currently in an OotA game with this old Baphomet Warlock who was like my first PC. (The DM let me make an Int casting warlock cuz I told him the character was very research-oriented) Now a fun thing about demons is a lot of people research them, one of which (from 3e Fiendish Codex I) was Tolket nor Ahm, writer of the Black Scrolls of Ahm. When he died his followers spread out and grew a community known as the Black Cult of Ahm. A neutral cult bent on knowledge (and not worship) of demons, of which my warlock is a member. This basically means I have like... demonlord metagaming reasons given these guys have been writing info since pre-spellplague Do I correct the DM? Rarely, as simplified as 5e is, it's not too far from the complex version of demonlord lore. Do I mention some rlly crack stuff? Oh yeah- all the time. - Graz'zt crossdressed as Malcanthet and flirted with an ugly demonlord (Kotstchtchie) to bring Malcanthet (succubus queen) embarrassment. - Baphomet has a rumored relationship with Pale Night (who is usually regarded as Graz'zt's mother during 2e-3.5e) - Kotstchtchie goes on a Twitter rant every time someone tells him he was a human in his past life (which he was) because he identifies himself as Frost Giant - One source literally said Yeenoghu might as well have been the Prince of Demons if only he wasnt do stupid. - And weirdly enough... Demogorgon's got a humanoid demons fetish which is why his ex and his current gf are Succubi queens.

Jacob: annoys the shit out of the DM Jacob: character is so old he fails a con save and dies of an embolism Jacob: understandable have a nice day Robert Downy Jr: he's Lawful Neutral

I had a player like this, even tho my campaign was a homebrew custom setting. He always had to chime in and rave about the lore.

this is GOLD. i have been playing DnD for all of like a week and so far i am loving it and if this guy is any comparison to the community i wanna get in on his games and have him mold me into a character of all characters. I would ride with this guy to the ends of the map and back.

Chaotic Good Drow Bard: "Uh... _Draws Rapier_ the f___ you say?" Neutral Evil Drow Rogue: "Eh, whatever. I never apologized." Lawful Neutral Drow Paladin: "Only fools fail to check for discrepancies in the walls of dungeons, much like our kind."

I dunno. I like this guy. He’s invested in the setting. Doesn’t get mad when dm says “I kill you for no reason”

A beholder can learn spells, since technically anyone can learn magic.

Lore is my favorite part of dungeons and dragons, ESPECIALLY about beholders for whatever reason.

I play 3.5e, the races and monsters that are considered "evil" are noted as "Usually chaotic evil" or "Usually lawful evil" instead of just outright good or evil.

I would ask the DM if my character would know X or Y. Sometimes the answer was yes. Sometimes it was no. Sometimes I had to roll for it. I always played according to the ruling. I hope I wasn't annoying about it, but I don't think I was. I haven't been diagnosed with any degree of autism, but I do find a deciphering emotions and people's expressions challenging.

to be fair, a Beholder casting spells would be pretty weird, considering beholders are already pretty weird in the first place.

I actually love this! I think the lore really helps sell this as a written lore as long as it’s done politely and everyone is having fun. Of course a DM can make their own lore too.

honestly creatively retconning is one of my favourite things to do when writing, that scene where the player essentially creates an extension to the encounter was super cool and I'd love to have more players (beneficially, and if the vibe is good) do that kinda stuff more.

"Wait when the cleric npc casted greater restoration on me a few sessions ago wouldn't it also have gotten rid of my blood clot?"

I actually like this type of player (as long as it's not a homebrew). He wasn't metagaming for unfair advantage. And for the most part presumed you were already planning all of this. As long as it's general lore, something feasible for a character to know, and the players at the table show more interest I course correct all the time.

Classic way of handling this: "How does your character know all of this?"

This is still my favorite skit on this channel, lmao. The punchline at the end is so good.

I feel called out. Though I’m not this bad, I swear. My most recent “Lore Lawyering” situation is probably the time where I convinced my DM that a PC killed in Chult was a ghost because I read the Ring of Winter novel. This is because Ubtao is still somewhat active in Chult in my DM’s world and the character had low Int and Wis, so he failed the Maze of Life to get into the Fugue Plane/the afterlife while the PC’s deity was busy.

Everyone knows that using one small word causes rule lawyers and lore lawyers to melt: *...........homebrew*

That ending was so damn good

I would actually love to play with this guy.

The player explaining a death kiss is basically the sort of conversations I have daily with a player as I exposition about monster lore that I find really cool.

This is my new favourite DnD sketch! So well done, Jacob! Your acting and writing are both absolutely brilliant!

This would actually be amazing to play as for me, I would be able to drop story clues or hints in the lore that I wouldn't expect players to pick up on normally.

3:25 Drizzt: Say sike right now.

When he said "that's fair" at the end, I cracked up. 🤣

Honestly I’d love to have this guy as a player. My man just keeps on feeding me material and relieves me from the responsibility of info dumping.

Personally I appreciate my players knowing/having knowledge about monsters that could help them. With obvious exceptions, like a character that JUST got into adventuring should not know much about a beholder (or death kiss).

the “i’m gettin up there line” got me

3:36 Ack-shually, while mortal creatures are not wholly of one alignment, angels explicitly can't be evil. They are by their very essence good, and were they to stop being good, they would turn into something else, like a devil. This is described both in the lore on angels in the Monster Manual and in the "Alignment in the Multiverse" section on PHB page 122. Drow can be good, though, the errata did good fixing that and Drizzt has always been around proving it.

“Remind me again what your character’s intelligence is?”

Ngl I might use some of this stuff in my campaign to give my players clues. Leaving loads of the death kisses around to lead them to a beholder, and the continual flame thing is a really smart clue

*adjusts glasses* for a second there I thought you were going to tell him that he contracted the “Stone plague” as that would be possible for him to get as one of the few diseases that effect only dwarfs and throw his lore back at him.

At first i was thinking "this isn't to bad, a bit meta, but .makes for a good plot". Then the race thing came up and i had flashbacks to a game i ran where the bard told me OFC "i don't adsociate with green skins, they are evil" Edit for context: it's a homebrew setting and the goblin was a book keeper for a merchant

I played a campaign where the DM mixed up Verin and Essek in the Wildemount setting. As much as it burned me inside, I said nothing.

I love it when my players overcomplicate a puzzle or issue or look into the reasons and context behind something way more than I planned them to and make me look way smarter than I am.

I only get players like this and i love it, honestly i dont even care i have to rewrite the campaign almost every session- it just gets more interesting for everyone.

The way I see it, there are three possibilities. The Svirfneblin - being a good, but cautious folk - was captured as used as a slave by the other members of the party, as was the insane Derro, in a bid to capture more slaves from the nearby town they just saved... OR The Drow had been lured by Eilistraee to seek the surface and learn to live with the people of the surface, away from the influence of Lolth. The Derro had his insanity reigned in by powerful magic or drugs - possibly with the help of the Myconids. The Duergar might have simply been paid to escort them, or perhaps he learned to forgive the ancestral enemies of his people. And the Svirfneblin was there, possibly to find help for his isolationist town who were too stubborn to seek it on their own. The lore supports both, and more. No need to remove stuff from the books, just maybe point out the connections that are already there.

Honestly, the idea of older characters having a random chance of having a heart attack is a great idea

The difference between a good metagamer and a bad metagamer is the good one always asks for an intelligence check first.

That end hand me laughing way harder than expected 😂😂😂

I mean to be fair when they said to ignore the fact that certain races are evil and just kill the beholder, the Lore Lawyer agreed. He’s not a bad player and the DM should have pulled him aside out of game and asked him to stop pointing out lore inconsistencies instead of calling him out in front of the table and killing his character. #Justice4LL

I once heard a great example, the creatures presented in the monster manuals are just the average or common type of their kind.

I always handled this type of situation with his player knowledge wouldn't necessarily translate to his charterers knowledge. For this type of player there are going to be a ton of Lore Checks in his future, with various modifiers.

This video was probably the funniest D&D sketch video I've seen in years. I related to literally everyone and the "Oh, no, no, I see where you're getting this" absolutely slayed me when the zoom hit. LMAO