Do you agree with the just call on river? At 15:56 the we discuss why it's unlikely we can get called by worse if we raise.
@KenDavis-uo8kq4 ай бұрын
Clear cut call imo. I’m curious why people say “bet off” and “3-bet off”? Aren’t you just betting or 3-betting?
@OliwerSanki4 ай бұрын
Not being results oriented, 3! River is better as played. After turn check/check we look much weaker and it was a such a small flop bet as well. What value hands does Villain have that beat us that don’t bet turn? Maybe 1 combo AA once in a while that boats up on the river? Must 3! As played
@pot_kivach1604 ай бұрын
Just a call. No better hand would fold, no worse hand would call.
@OliwerSanki4 ай бұрын
@@pot_kivach160 not good logic
@KenDavis-uo8kq4 ай бұрын
@@pot_kivach160 agreed.
@newstandardaccount4 ай бұрын
I liked the caller - humble, not afraid to admit what he was thinking (or wasn't thinking), and didn't attempt to justify decisions that might be considered poor in hindsight. Willing to evaluate his own plays objectively.
@kap10ahab4204 ай бұрын
Ye caller was great Bart- "would u ever do that with a bluff like a5s?" Caller- "maybe" 😂😂
@Illiadofmalorne4 ай бұрын
One day I will figure out how to get above a 9-high flop with AK.
@patrickjordan22334 ай бұрын
"don't bet/3-bet...then you'll just get smacked on the flop.." (irony... unfortunately) And everyone else won't have squadush... 😂🤣😂
@danielmeuler28774 ай бұрын
Never? It seems like I hit it about 33% of the time. This is why I play this hand many different ways and don't try getting it all in preflop like a lot of players like to do. Then complain when they get stacked.
@Badbentham4 ай бұрын
@@TadaMinburi I want to point out the huge difference between AK and JJ, though: - There is no correct/ good way to play Jiggedies. 😁
@danielmeuler28774 ай бұрын
@@TadaMinburi So You don't raise with them ever? You just fold them Preflop no matter what?
@YoshiBugatti4 ай бұрын
We all know the protocol, just pretend it's Aces and rebuy...
@nickdukeman85034 ай бұрын
I’m always amazed with how much I completely follow Bart’s logic but don’t use that logic at the table.
@pot_kivach1604 ай бұрын
why?
@nickdukeman85034 ай бұрын
@@pot_kivach160 Maybe adrenaline and nerves. Probably play a little too much on Auto-Pilot too.
@losyart4 ай бұрын
Then u r either too emotional at the table or maybe playing above your bankroll level ?? Find a reason and work on it to improve
@geovaniraffaelli45084 ай бұрын
@@nickdukeman8503 Never play for more than 1h at a time online. Using the lock-out function at Stars is a good idea since our brain starts going mush after 1 hour.
@jamespohl-md2eq4 ай бұрын
@@losyartLol. It’s easy to agree w Barts logic on a hand when you get to spend 15-20 minutes dissecting it. Live play is maybe 5 minutes of tanking.
@matthewjames32134 ай бұрын
mathematically early 40s is middle aged
@moonbaseryan4 ай бұрын
I suspect the turn check made him an extra $5000.
@Allen-jn4kx4 ай бұрын
Wow, this is a really good hand analysis, they almost always are, but this is particularly good. I say almost always cause I think that sometimes Bart overestimates and underestimates the way low stakes players play. Yes they are generally very bad, but they are not always as straightforward as he would like to think.
@twlevewinshs61564 ай бұрын
You can just hear this caller has been dead inside for a very long time playing poker
@JMTavares74 ай бұрын
Someday I'll learn what the hell "configuration" means
@redahansali1324 ай бұрын
« In this configutation » just means « in this setting » (considering the preflop action, the positions of V/H, the play by each of H/V on the flop, turn, river)
@bakaraymoo73894 ай бұрын
It literally just means "all things considered"
@philip-op6de2 ай бұрын
Configuration means to configure 😅, did you want to know what configure means 🤭
@EllieBanks33315 күн бұрын
Configuration is made up of the positions of players entering the pot pre-flop & the action they take. So for example; player A opens for 3X UTG [under the gun], HJ calls, button 3 bets. Tighter configurations usually indicates players taking stronger actions relative to their position & any villain positions.
@ChrisM-wv4gs4 ай бұрын
Barts 4betting range may be AA and AK only but a solver 4bets a lot more than that. I only comment because he says that range is based on theory and it just isnt
@phillyTOOphilthy4 ай бұрын
Everytime bart talks about 4bet range being AA and AK to balance it just kills me.. NIT NIT NIT
@GrowFromHome4 ай бұрын
He also says a5s tho
@bkk1614 ай бұрын
My daily routine listening to Barts show!!!
@IngrownPillow4 ай бұрын
I loathe the day I'm out of unwatched content
@JerryinTucson9 күн бұрын
I blast on the turn on a hand like this because ive been beaten on the river with a full house more then once.
@josephwilloughby-nu4zb22 күн бұрын
This hand is almost like the negreanu vs ivey vs antonius hand on high stakes poker where negreanu folded a boat to an antonius river jam because antonius should never have worse. Also too, you'd be surprised what people will call down with, if you're on the river and there is just no possible way someone has a boat or trips here and you have the effective nuts, it doesn't matter if no worse hand will call you, stick in the raise, like I said you'd be surprised what people will call you with. Heck, in this situation, you may have gotten a miracle fold from the 8 because you should really have zero bluff raises on the river and your river jamming range should be better than an 8.
@a_canal4 ай бұрын
Hand makes perfect sense when V checks back turn. Shows he has some showdown value. All value or bluffs should get turn
@lance8624 ай бұрын
GTO solvers pretty much always go with the quarter pot c-bet size in a 4-bet pot with that tight configuration. I'll admit I haven't ran a ton of simulations on such deep play so I can see going for the half pot bet.
@sillychinas4 ай бұрын
1/4 pot is standard 100bb deep because of effective stack principle. 300bb deep I’m pretty sure 1/3 is more standard
@justinhart71724 ай бұрын
Why jump from 25% to 50% theres inbetween you know
@TadaMinburi4 ай бұрын
We all knew the 8 was coming. Don't understand the 300. Still think H gut the max tho
@moneymikz4 ай бұрын
By accident but yes max value
@TadaMinburi4 ай бұрын
@@moneymikz agreed. If the misclick was , 500+ then V would prob insta fold. $5k not too shabby on error 💪
@mjriemen4 ай бұрын
@@TadaMinburiI think pair + backdoor flush calls $500 just the same as $300
@TadaMinburi4 ай бұрын
@@mjriemenV has clubs middle pair with an A on flop and flush on turn. He's dead 💀
@andymoiser46114 ай бұрын
@@mjriemen V is def calling the 500 (8 or 9 beat AK and bdfd gives you more outs on a club), small on flop is fine as you are still betting KK-JJ and like KQs as a bluff
@qazzaqstan4 ай бұрын
Turn is interesting because my first instinct is a spade is probably slightly bad for our range we should look to check raise. That said as Bart mentioned it is really hard for that to be a bluff unless I'm seriously supposed to turn KsK and QsQ into bluffs. River my first instinct was to over-bet to about 4K and put basically everything they have in an extremely tough spot.
@a_canal4 ай бұрын
I would think bet small on turn. Aren’t that many flushes in a 4bet pot
@andymoiser46114 ай бұрын
@@a_canal the IP player is going to have more flushes there than Hero (since hero is 4 betting AKo and like QQ-AA some JJ etc. and V should have alot of suited broadways) I think going polar with the SPR or checking are both fine...think hero played the hand fine (maybe a little bigger on the flop but he said he misclicked).
@tux19684 ай бұрын
Great caller; clearly a good player. Thanks for the breakdown.
@Mr.Curiosity894 ай бұрын
If this was online poker, villain would appear with 22, 99 or even 88
@chrisko64394 ай бұрын
If villain is a house bot, yeah. 82s is also possible.
@pot_kivach1604 ай бұрын
@@chrisko6439 he always is!! Online poker is actual SLOT SYSTEM; just in form of poker GAME. It might happen that you run into another real poker player online at the same table, however, the Slot machine will stay in between. Asking for your money!!
@6bt_str8644 ай бұрын
In this (configuration) .. It is portrayed as the villain's showing up with: Aces Full. A-8, and or 8-8. (In any event its a cooler to get stacked and "on to the next hand, table, game etc ...) IYKYK. ✌🏾
@JQpoker4 ай бұрын
Nice hand, strange turn action but hero probably got the max
@DavePuntz4 ай бұрын
One note I found interesting from this discussion was the possibility of bluffing AKo with Ace of spades if played till river. Bart mentioned you could maybe get an 8 to fold with this line. If this logic is true don’t we think 4 bet jamming AKspades for value on river is still a play? I understand it’s super thin. But we are only probably losing to maybe 6 total combos of hands and your opponent may call lighter? Especially if you’re an opponent that is capable of turning AKo into a bluff to represent Aces full. I don’t know I’m sure in real time I would have probably just called with AK spades as well
@a_canal4 ай бұрын
Maybe 2 combos that ever play that way when they check back turn
@andymoiser46114 ай бұрын
@@a_canal meh in theory its prob a jam with AKs but I prob get scared and just call...AsKo gets checked a bunch on the turn here as ppl figure that they are covered on a 4 flush river, checking AsKs sometimes makes sense then... also river 3-bet jam your value is like AA (which prob mix turn to get value from high spades. and...one combo of A8hh that prob is low frequency pre anyway. so adding some nut flush jams is prob needed to be able to jam with some AsKx...its interesting as it prob gets overbluffed by those who can bluff there, but many will not ever bluff there since you lay the V a great price on a river call.
@privacyfirst38494 ай бұрын
This was a potential train wreck. I never underestimate my opponent who calls a LARGE 4 bet pre flop. Calling my 4 bet, I have to consider I'm up against AA or other pair pre flop. The check on the turn was again, potential disaster. I have found that trying to trap sometimes plays me into oblivion. A bet on the turn gives me more information. What hands call a big bet on the turn? Maybe I'm too conservative or perhaps "snake bit" to let my nutz go without protecting it. Because the way it was played, you have to call river with the nut flush but that's all you can do. Luckily the villain here was set up by the check on the turn. I guess I did overestimate the villain because he raises on the river with just trips and he gives me no credit for 4 betting pre flop with AA. I'd play this hand exactly as it went if i DID have AA. THEN, I don't have to just call the river, I raise. Very weird hand and very stupid villain. From villain's perspective, he obviously put us on hand like JJ - KK or Ax pre flop. Again, I may be a tad too tight, but if I'm villain, I have to check fold the river or at worst, call the river bet. To come over the top with just trips after a large pre flop raise just seems too risky. The way it was played, villain finally puts us on Ax, but should have considered AA. The point is although you can put your opponent on a range, you never know what he is actually holding. By the way, Hero never mentions what he thinks the villain may be holding. Villain had 7,8 suited. If it was one better at 8,9 suited, I'm beat. It worked out well for the Hero, but in this spot, SO many times, I'm beat by a boat (or even quads) on the river. I guess that's why I'll never (even if I could) play in high stakes games.
@B-bh4ti4 ай бұрын
Great assessment, personally, I would have just called 3 bet preflop, bet pot on flop and jammed turn.
@bakaraymoo73894 ай бұрын
Holy shit sit down you're a 1/3 player this is 20/40 against a thinking, aggressive player. My God sir this is NOT a Wendy's
@privacyfirst38494 ай бұрын
@@bakaraymoo7389 Ok. So no matter the stakes, tell me where my reasoning is wrong (instead of making personally disparaging remarks). I've played probably over 100k hands and no, I don't play high stakes, but even some people at Wendy's can think too. If he was felted by a boat, would you be so smug?
@DallasDelRio4 ай бұрын
There's 3 combos of AA that get to the river with a boat. From villains perspective, we 4 bet preflop so we easily have AQs+ on this flop. Tiny bet on the flop, so hero can still have any two cards. Flush comes in on the turn, he checks it over to us. Not impossible he has AQ/AK of spades, but that's two hands. Here we could bet our 8 to get him off his potential KK/QQ holdings. Villain chooses to check back to see a river. Bink, we river trips. What do we lose to? Hero 4-bet preflop so, AA,KK,QQ, AQs, AKs, AKo. A total of 5 hands beat us. 3 combos of AA, and one combo each of AQ/AK of spades. When turn goes check/check, it's unlikely hero has AA. A tiny bet on the flop could make sense with the board covered, but when the flush comes in (even if hero has A of spades making it less likely we have spades) hero would want to start piling in some amount of chips. If he had the one combo of AA with no spade, he would try to protect against the flush, so he would likely bet to get us off a single spade, or charge the draw. If hero had the two combos of AA with a spade, he would also likely want to get the money in before the 4 flush comes in and either shuts down action or we could potentially get max value from the single K or Q of spades. With top set and a tiny bet on the flop, you need to start getting the money in sometime. Usually people tend to show their strength on the turn because they want value. So when the river rolls of an 8, it's highly unlikely he has AA. We would have heard from him by now. So what else beats us? AQ and AK of spades. Two likely hands, maybe throw in some partials of A5 of spades if he's 4bet bluffing on occasion. So what would villain do with those hands? Would he min bet the flop? Likely not. He has a flush draw, and top pair top kicker. If he's putting us on a good ace, he'd want to get value from it immediately and start building a pot. KK would likely call one time to that sizing too. On the turn when the flush comes in, he checks to us after we just called the bet on the flop. We just called, we're not showing lots of strength. The only point in checking to us with a made flush is to induce a stab, or set up a river play. At this point he could have KK with the king of spades and is trying to see where he's at with his hand strength, maybe putting us on an ace. When we check back, KK likely thinks it's good here a large portion of the time. On the river, he bets for half pot after showing huge weakness on both streets prior. This could be KK with a spade, AK with no spades that slow played or got scared of the flush, AK/AQ with the ace of spades for a bluff when the river is essentially a brick, or the nut flush. When the board pairs on the river, a lot of good aces are going to have a tough time folding this as played. We showed lots of weakness by calling flop and checking turn. Hero essentially induced a big raise on the river with the flop misclick and the check on the turn. When you induce a raise and your opponent hasn't shown much strength and then starts blasting when a card that shouldn't hit their range hits the board, that's plenty of reason to call down light. There are way more hands the hero arrives here with that aren't boats or the nut flush. Can't be scared of monsters under the bed. Villain went for thin value and value-owned himself. If you never value-own yourself you're leaving money on the table by not betting thin enough for value.
@michaelg466415 күн бұрын
@@B-bh4ti And you would have made a lot less money than H.
@jsp074114 ай бұрын
Great discussion guys. Thank u
@paulgibbons-keynotespeaker4 ай бұрын
we should use block sizing turn imo
@digitaldavid56334 ай бұрын
Great video! Thanks
@el.and044 ай бұрын
I'm kinda surprised utg1 raised on the river there. I don't think it makes much sense with that hand
@pot_kivach1604 ай бұрын
I would bet turn. Small; just to keep him in and build the pot. He called 4-bet, and flop C-bet, so no reason to slow down on flushy board.
@patrickjordan22334 ай бұрын
I kind of like leading the turn as a "same bet"? Since we mis-clicked the flop...it would look super weak, and "betting/calling action" Eliminates passivity/lost street of value.... But i like mixing in countervailing lines...? I really, really discount 8/9, even suited... because this is a 4bet pre... Most players understand playing middlling suited connectors in 4bet pots are LT -EV.. obviously not this Particular V, but V keeps @ it, V will learn...?? 😁 😂🤣😂🤣
@danielmeuler28774 ай бұрын
I would have Never checked the Turn but then the Villain folds. Still doesnt mean it was the correct play. But I can be bluffed eaiser than most because Im not a Call Box. So I would of bet at least half pot on the flopp targeting Ace x and other flush draws and I would have pounded the Turn. But Villain just folds and I dont get paid. Poker?!?! Got to live it.
@jameswalker74204 ай бұрын
How does a player at this level only get 300 in total bets in on flop and turn combined?
@stt5v20023 ай бұрын
Auuughh, do not check the nuts on the turn! You have some where between 80 and 100% equity. With that much equity, you lose a fortune if it goes check check. Instead, bet very small if you think you have too much of the board covered. If he has nothing much, he might even raise you. If the player is aggressive enough to bet huge as a bluff when you check, he will be shy enough to raise huge when you bet very small.
@MichaelJamesActually4 ай бұрын
One thing interesting about this hand, up to the river both players are betting very close to a GTO optimal solver strategy. Even that $300 flop bet. Obviously 78 off is a dog, but 78s would be being this way. Goes to show how important exploitative play is.
@user-xw7cn3ii9o4 ай бұрын
If you have AK with ace of spades aren’t you gonna bet turn and at you both agreed he folds turn there with an 8 so you never would get to your hypothetical river decision
@velvetpunch4 ай бұрын
I was off but still a hero win
@NKKK194 ай бұрын
Hero got max value in this hand.
@MikeyD87164 ай бұрын
I could see him having A8.
@pot_kivach1604 ай бұрын
he screwed it up. Missed A for a 7.
@omgbaxtergames4 ай бұрын
Hey just a thought -- your title is a spoiler. Maybe title it HUGE Pot, instead of profit? I enjoy watching along and not knowing the ending :)
@330miggs4 ай бұрын
15" POKER HAAAAARRRRDDD
@user-kl6bv8qi7f4 ай бұрын
Hello Neil
@Dementia.Pugilistica4 ай бұрын
I am always jamming river. How can he have a boat? There's no sets or two pair that check back turn. We have a blocker to the boats. Just shove.
@NorCal_Poker4 ай бұрын
Ahh so that’s how you play AK 🧐
@YoshiBugatti4 ай бұрын
This dude sounds like Norm MacDonald
@robertwasden26914 ай бұрын
Norm - what a legend!
@velvetpunch4 ай бұрын
Stopped at 20:26. I think villain has A9s.
@B-bh4ti4 ай бұрын
I won't have 4 bet preflop. I would have called 3 bet, bet pot on flop and jammed turn. Don't be greedy, trying to trap can be costly.
@leviwhatever61924 ай бұрын
Lol How is early 40s not even middle age? That's funny. Life expectancy 75 = Young 1-25 Middle 25-50 Old 50 -75
@danielbluebisson4 ай бұрын
You somehow managed to make a dumber take than Bart. 40s is obviously middle aged but 26 obviously is not
@leviwhatever61924 ай бұрын
Don't know the definition of the word "middle" ? Does it mean towards one end for you? How about "in the middle".? Do you equally divide 75 in some funny math way?
@patrick_kyker4 ай бұрын
9:21 OMC confirmed.
@pot_kivach1604 ай бұрын
called 4-bet with 78o? Am disappointed he did not 5-bet!
@chrisko64394 ай бұрын
He had 78 of clubs.
@losyart4 ай бұрын
Villain calling In position with 78c against aggressive preflopper being deep is totally standard
@pot_kivach1604 ай бұрын
@@losyart
@privacyfirst38494 ай бұрын
@@losyart I agree with this but seems like villain did not consider what hero's holding. It's not only the 2 cards you're looking at, it's also what your opponent could possibly have. So villain thinks he gets there on the river. If I was villain, I'd have only called the river bet. Coming over the top was a (mis) calculated risk. It cost him.
@losyart4 ай бұрын
@@privacyfirst3849 I guess he wanted to get value from big aces which arent spades cause those ones would check turn as well . But i agree that it still could be like suited spade ace combo and AA and those other big aces probably folding to reraise on river anyway . So yes it was too thinnish of a value raise