Playing action and precision fret levelling

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Sam Deeks

Sam Deeks

8 жыл бұрын

UPDATE:
Please note that you're welcome to disagree with anything I'm saying here but at least do me the honour of being sure you understand what it is that I do before you start arguing with me? Also, please recognise that I do it this way because a) I've thought it out in considerable depth and b) I have set up over 1000 guitars this way for happy customers. Under those circumstances don't be surprised if I take my cue from them and not you and your opinions.
This video is in response to some requests to talk about how I set the playing action on electric guitars and about precision fret levelling using a low-cost 'tune-able' fret levelling tool inspired by the Katana (available online for around $145 if you search Google). Sadly, I'm unable to use that tool because despite buying it myself and recommending it unreservedly on my videos & FB page, the inventor objected to the words I used to describe it, the way I showed it in my videos and the manner in which I used it.
As I still need to level frets that way I had no choice but to find an alternative 'lo-tech' way of doing the same thing - which is what you'll see me doing in this video. It's a little more fiddly than using the Katana but it works pretty well, giving much more precise fret levelling and with the guitar in a fully-strung playing configuration. If you've got $145, do consider buying the Katana - it's a great tool. If you don't, then this video shows how you can improvise your own version with excellent results.
I intended to make two 20-30 minute videos covering these subjects but they kind of rolled into one, hence the length. I hope it's interesting for you.

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@Boomtrooper
@Boomtrooper 4 жыл бұрын
It never ceases to amaze me how many people like your good self put so much time aside to record, explain and edit such an in depth tutorial for no other reason than an altruistic desire to help others. Being about to embark on my first wholesale renovation of a lovely old Aria guitar that I used to love many years ago I am indebted to your expertise, enthusiasm and clarity of explanation. Many, many thanks
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Tim - thanks for your comment. I want to slightly dis-avow you on the matter of my all-round saintliness :-) I didn't set out just to help others out of the goodness of my heart... when I started doing this work I specifically wanted to provide a transparent record of the work I'd done to give customers confidence in what they'd paid me for and to give prospective customers the confidence to send their guitars to me. The videos have been paying me back in that respect with a steady flow of new customers from that time onwards... as planned. So I get back exactly what I wanted in the 'deal'. Don't get me wrong; I love to share information and I like to help people out wherever my experience can make a difference - but I'm not a saint. The only inconvenience for me is compiling the video chunks into a single file and finding somewhere with enough broadband capacity to upload to KZfaq. I never edit (my basic rule!) and I enjoy chatting to the camera anyway so it's not a lot more effort than the work I'm already doing on the guitars, if you see what I mean. Anyway, all that said it's a great ADDITIONAL pleasure that any of my videos help someone make their guitars play better :-)
@davidharvey8812
@davidharvey8812 2 жыл бұрын
Your knowledge was on point , even 6 years ago . You deserve way more subscribers .
@samsacagio6492
@samsacagio6492 4 жыл бұрын
I've set up half a dozen guitars like this now. Works great. Love your videos mate, thankyou so much for being generous and showing us all.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
Pleased to hear that Sam :-) Thanks for the comment
@SweetSpotGuitar
@SweetSpotGuitar 7 жыл бұрын
Sam, fantastic video. And thanks for doing a great bit to keep KZfaq less flamey and more kind. You have a wealth of knowledge and yet, you're humble. I love it. Can't wait to get out and do some real fret leveling with some of my own instruments.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that - I appreciate it v. much. One of the biggest problems we have today is that far too many people believe that disagreeing with something entitles them to be abusive. Very occasionally someone like that comments and I just mute their contributions to be honest. I'm happy for people to disagree or offer contrasting points of view but just like in my day to day life I expect unconditional basic politeness and respect just as I give it unconditionally.
@1234588001
@1234588001 6 жыл бұрын
thanks again sam i keep watching we need guys like you on youtube
@stevevallance6326
@stevevallance6326 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your time, I have learned a lot.
@moonshot1999
@moonshot1999 7 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant! Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!! Watched so many different tutorials on fret levelling, but this is by far the most helpful for explaining the pros and cons of the most common methods, so TY so much sir...Bravo!! :))
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hey you're welcome Mark - thank YOU for taking the time to leave a nice message!
@moonshot1999
@moonshot1999 7 жыл бұрын
You're most welcome Sam! Most generous in sharing your hard won knowledge as well as time. I was just trying to find the rhynodry paper supply you mentioned at the end. I think I found the Portuguese company ('Guitarsandwoods' ?), but it seems they don't have that product anymore. Do you still use that product with your truss rod? Also checked the Katana product you mentioned: $249 now! Think I might go with the £6 truss rod!
@andyisaacs4554
@andyisaacs4554 8 жыл бұрын
Another classic video Sam. it is like being at school , always love how much info you give , keep up the good work , really do appreciate it
@alexandreazzalini-machecle4775
@alexandreazzalini-machecle4775 3 жыл бұрын
What would be very helpful to help us navigate your awesome videos would be that you add a table of contents in the description so that we can easily jump between parts without having to watch everything again. Thanks for this gorgeous offering of knowledge.
@stevehogan8829
@stevehogan8829 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sam. Well done.
@pmcm-ih1ep
@pmcm-ih1ep 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, spot on about Humpty dumpty frets not being equally and properly inserted etc....my first response fret adjusting tool is the butter knife handle... yes the trusty smooth solid handle of ye olde butter knife. I slide it under the strings and exert maximum pressure sliding along the offending fret and to my delight it's done the job.
@xxxkahunaxxx
@xxxkahunaxxx 7 жыл бұрын
what length truss rod would you recommend if i were to buy one?
@TheWGLOVER
@TheWGLOVER 8 жыл бұрын
Another good one. I'm having a bit of trouble finding that sandpaper. Any links?
@martynharvey6649
@martynharvey6649 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Sam, Please don't take all the negative comments seriously..They obviously have no sense! These vids are awesome...not just very entertaining but thoroughly educational. Based on your tutorials, I have just completed my first proper fret levelling, crowning and end finishing. It turned out way beyond my expectations: perfect action, very highly polished finish and turned a vintage junk shop gibson sg find into a really fast, playable instrument once again! Keep it up.. thanks
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
Martyn - thanks for your comment (and for posing on my Facebook page). I get SO many emails from folks like yourself saying how great their guitars turned out using some of the advice I've shared - it hugely outweighs the tiny amount of (usually) unpleasant critical comments. Great to hear you revived your old Gibson SG - well done! :-)
@jameswooldridge8757
@jameswooldridge8757 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for video! Good stuff
@SweetSpotGuitar
@SweetSpotGuitar 7 жыл бұрын
Sam, a followup question (after already commenting earlier). What about guitars that have a hump in the fretboard near the body joint (i.e., the board is not a simple Bezier or catenary curve, but possibly an s-curve)? I assume that even if there is a hump (and also assuming it's relatively small), that the 3 pyramid method for setting the tool would still work, and that the profiling would remove more fret material in the hump area. Your comments? Also, what about fallaway on the higher frets? Is there any need for that that you've found in using your current method? Thanks!!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hi - great questions. My experience is that this approach does away with the 'need' for fallaway. I say 'need' because my experience suggests to me that 'fallaway' is not a very good solution to what I call the blade/handle joint in the 'sickle' shape that most LP necks particularly follow. The curved fret levelling method gently imposes the overall curve as much as it can into that 'sickle' shape. In reality, providing the relief is small the 'hump' where the blade joins the handle is tiny and this method takes a little more fret material at that point but results in a workable curve with no need for fallaway. Put another way, I've never done fallaway on any guitar and I get very low actions time after time.
@moonshot1999
@moonshot1999 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam thanks for your brilliant video on this. Do you still source your self adhesive rhynodry p400 from Portugal? I can’t seem to find it! Cheers
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark - you're welcome. I've not bought the Rhynostick paper from Portugal for a while... it's probably simpler to buy a big roll of double-sided sticky tape and some good quality wet & dry and make your own. Just as good tbh and a lot cheaper.
@unknownrecords176
@unknownrecords176 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the in depth video on all the things to do when setting up and leveling your guitar. I want to do a fret job on my Jackson guitar which has a compound radius, have your ever done a Jackson or compound radius fret level before. I am just wondering if it is the same as a one radius fretboard, just level by going up and down on the fretboard? I have tried to find out how to do it and there is so much different opinions I am confused on what t do.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
Hi - I've not done a Jackson but I have done a vintage Electra with a compound radius. When it comes to a compound radius the narrower your fret levelling file the better - which is why I used the thin truss rod (around 5mm wide). Imagine looking down your neck in a thin strip 5mm wide. From that perspective you cannot see a difference in the radius because it's so small. As long as you keep your levelling to narrow strips then you will 'respect' the different radii. It's hard to explain in text; just avoid files wider than 5mm ie don't use a traditional fret levelling file and under no circumstances use a radius block.
@gregknight5141
@gregknight5141 7 жыл бұрын
Great video very informative. Just wondering though, I don't have a truss rod to hand but I do have a tool that is straight and can easily get between the strings to the frets in playing position. Would this work almost as well in a pinch on a cheapy guitar just to get it playing a bit better despite not being able to match the angle?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Greg - no, I wouldn't recommend doing any levelling on a curve (fully strung neck) with a straight file... Best bet would be to remove strings, flatten the neck with the truss rod and use your straight levelling tool. That way is about 1,000,000 times better than not doing it at all :-)
@BeesWaxMinder
@BeesWaxMinder 4 жыл бұрын
This is VERY interesting -especially 2/3rds of the way in! Where do you get the ‘Measuring Feet’ from for your DIY Katana, please...?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
search brass dome nuts in ebay - there are loads of suppliers. I think they were M3
@cugir321
@cugir321 9 ай бұрын
Here's a common problem I see over and over again. On a 6 string guitar - The 3rd, 4th, and 5th fret has a slight buzz on the "B" string when I play a Open "D" chord. I have 3 guitars with this same problem after leveling...two of them I just got lucky and got rid of it but have no idea how to address this properly instead of easter egging it? My guess it's coming from the middlwe section of the neck from where I finger the note to the saddle....I've tried going to where the buzz starts and work back one fret at a time....leveling the fret under the individual string with small piece of sand paper on my finger....pulling the string to the side under tension. The frets show level with a rocker but the slight buzz is there. I refretted a LL-16 with 8 stainless frets from 1 to 8 position. This creates another potential porblem....the stainless are harder then the nickle frets....so I'm reluctent to use the truss rod leveling method.
@MFPick
@MFPick 5 жыл бұрын
I've got an extra truss rod from a broken neck, so I'll give it a try. Why not? Lower action (without buzz) means increased playability, and every guitarist/bassist wants that. Thanks for sharing. I'll watch more of your videos to learn anything you have to offer.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome... despite having used this method on 700+ set ups over the last 4 or 5 years, some KZfaq experts INSIST that it's "THE WRONG WAY" :-) Give it a go on a less important guitar, see what you think.
@luisavila2988
@luisavila2988 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, How did you make the sand paper stick to the truss rod? This is all new to me. And the Katana is currently $249 so there's no way I can afford that.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
Hi - you can buy 'self adhesive' sandpaper on eBay - search for 'rhynostick' I think it's called
@simonporter8030
@simonporter8030 7 жыл бұрын
hi Sam great video very informative. Can you tell me where you buy your long sand paper strips?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Simon. Sure, they're called 'Rhynostick' and I get them from a supplier on eBay called G&W in Portugal
@BeesWaxMinder
@BeesWaxMinder 4 жыл бұрын
...would there be a ‘hump’ between strings when bending with guitars that’ve been set-up with your DIY Katana? How would one “join” the levelled areas beneath the strings?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
Nope. You let yourself 'drift' side to side and this seems to retain a smooth, continuous radius.
@guatemala3d
@guatemala3d 3 жыл бұрын
Hi San great video! I bought your book and giving all this a try. I just have 2 quick question. Shouldn’t frets follow the fretboard radius? I ve seen “techs” using radius sanded blocks (not sure the name of the tool) and how your suggested flat leveling affects matching fretboard radius at the saddles and nut ? They should match right ?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Pedro - thanks for buying my eBook :-) With my 'Banana' levelling method you're levelling a narrow section of the curved radius at a time. With a regular truss rod that section is about 5mm wide, so you're 'mapping' the radius in a series of 5mm steps from one end of the fret to the other. This method follows the radius much better than many regular fret levelling files which are both wide and flat. Levelling with a radius block can be effective but it can also be VERY costly in fret metal because you are imposing the block's radius onto the frets which almost certainly have a fractionally different radius (in reality). In addition, the radius block also can't level with the neck under load (and longitudinal compression) which means that, by definition, you tend to level until your fret rocker detects no more clicks. But this is MORE level than you actually need - and it takes more metal than you need. Because you can play the strings and hear what's improving, the Banana method lets you to stop as soon as you've made your chosen action play cleanly and you don't level past that point. I hope that makes sense? Cheers!
@guatemala3d
@guatemala3d 3 жыл бұрын
@@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars thanks Sam for you kind reply! ( I know you are extremely busy!) Everything makes perfect sense. I will give it a try to my 339. By the way I can’t access your book videos as there is a message saying they are private. How can I access them ?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 3 жыл бұрын
@@guatemala3d ah! Thanks for letting me know, I think KZfaq may have converted all ‘unlisted’ videos before a certain date to ‘private’… I saw a notification but didn’t think it applied to me. I will check later tonight and see what I can do! Thanks for letting me know!
@BeesWaxMinder
@BeesWaxMinder 4 жыл бұрын
Where do you get paper THAT long adhesive paper for your SamStick/DIY Katana, please?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
Guitars and Woods in Portugal (via eBay) - it's called 'Rhynostick' I believe. But you could use some Klingspoor wet 'n dry 400 grit with double sided sticky tape.
@Bad_Phil
@Bad_Phil 7 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, what would happen if you used the Katana (or similar tool) and leveled the frets, but did not crown and dress them afterwards? I have a weird spot at the 15th fret for the B string, that it frets out if I bend it beyond half a step. The G string that occupies that space naturally has no issues at that fret, or anywhere else... Possibly the slightly flattened frets in that area could be causing this?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Phil - it's quite common to find a string like B choking out when bending over into the G string's territory - especially on a tight radius like a 7.25". It's hard to visualise why but it has to do with the fact that the B string is coming FROM and going on TO lower points on a (radius) curve than the G we're looking at and saying "but that plays ok..." The fact that the B's bridge saddle (whether a Fender style or Gibson bridge) is slightly lower than the G's saddle means that the departing B string - the string going away from the top of the fret where we've bent it to - is heading downwards quicker than the G string (if it was still undisturbed in the same 'track'). This *tiny* lowering of the string's end point takes away enough of the clearance to cause it to hit the next fret. The tighter the radius, the lower that B string's destination saddle will be relative to the actual part of the fret our bent B string is launching off. The bottom line is that the microscopic clearances necessary only work in a straight line (down each string's track). The minute we push the string into a diagonal across the radius we're messing up that clearance. You can get away with it on a flat radius - like a 16" Ibanez neck but it's always rearing its head on the really tight 7.25" vintage necks. Hope that's useful! Note to self: should do a whiteboard bit on this in an upcoming video.
@Bad_Phil
@Bad_Phil 7 жыл бұрын
I managed to fix the issue! I used the grades crowning tools "Bones" from Katana seller, then removed scratches with emery cloth, and did a final polishing... I also raised the action from .030" to .050" and that did it! I listened to what you said about saddle height and added that into the fix. Thanks for the input!
@1961jscofield
@1961jscofield 8 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial, seems Coach Cat was content to just supervise this time!
@craigkorth7352
@craigkorth7352 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Lots of great info I can use. I do have a question though. If you are setting the neck relief by pushing a string on a fret at either end of the fretboard and measuring the distance from a fret in the middle of the board to the underside of that string, are you not assuming the frets are level? If they are not, you are starting the whole process from frets that are an unknown factor, the frets you are about to level. Wouldn't it be more precise to level from the fingerboard and bypass the frets altogether? I understand that involves another tool, but if you really want precision, you could only use this method of establishing the relief from frets that have already been proven to be level. I purchased the newest Katana fret leveller and all the videos I have watched have on how to use it said to establish the relief from unlevelled frets.How precise can that be? Thanks for posting this video.
@joeking433
@joeking433 2 жыл бұрын
It's not a very precise exercise no matter how you level frets, LOL! Unless you go have it done on a Plek machine! It's tough to keep the perfect fret radius, for example. And nearly impossible on a compound radius neck, right?
@goodboyringo9716
@goodboyringo9716 5 жыл бұрын
Katana system cost 249 + 35 wow! You said 150.00 What are you using for the three chrome things on the board to sit the trust rod on?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 5 жыл бұрын
Ok - it was £150 when I bought one, several years ago now. The 3 little things are brass domed nuts (can't recall whether they're M3, 4 or 5). Just have to be tall enough so that the top is above the strings but not so large they push the strings apart sideways.
@TheWGLOVER
@TheWGLOVER 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam. What is the best length of the truss rod? The one you gave me a link to has finally arrived from Hong Kong, and looks rather shorter than the ones you use. It measures about 380mm. I have just ordered another one 440mm long. Hope it is ok.www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390777036680?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=660212588172&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
@magneelvenes8341
@magneelvenes8341 5 жыл бұрын
I was wondering... You say in video that you aim for 1.5 mm action at last fret (22 or 21st fret). Is that for all strings or for the smallest e-string only? And is it from top of fret to underside of string? Thanks from northern norway?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Magne, typically I aim for 1.5mm low E last fret across to 1.2mm high E last fret (and a 'gradient' in between for the other strings). Assuming you level the frets, his sort of low action on 12" or above allows all notes to play and all bends to sound cleanly. 9.5" radii can be a struggle - all the notes will play but some bends might just choke a little. 7.25" you'll get chokes on bends on this action - so you may have to raise the action slightly. It's due to the geometry involved in pushing strings vertically uphill in relation to their anchor points (down at the bottom of the hill). The measurement is top of fret to underside of string - although it's not exactly scientific or precise. I eyeball it with a string height gauge but there's plenty of room for error. The numbers are just a means to an end... the end being a decent low, playable action with no buzzes and no chokes on bends :-)
@magneelvenes8341
@magneelvenes8341 5 жыл бұрын
Hi again and thank you for the quick reply. I good understand what you mean about the smaller neck radius. But i mostly work on 12". However, even if it is not necessary to have the frets fall away from the strings towards the end of the fretboard. On a guitar that already have this fallaway it should not be needed to do something about this i guess...? But then have to set the action further down the neck, like around 15th or 12th fret... It is actually where i used to measure the action up till now. Have found and old trussrod and will try this method now. In my experience the gibson necks are never very uniform and will be bumpy when adjusted fully flat and will not have a consistent relief arc...
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 5 жыл бұрын
True - but I've found this technique gently 'scoops' out the hump... go very carefully with 600 - 400 grit and gain some experience, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised :-)
@purpleheartscott8553
@purpleheartscott8553 6 жыл бұрын
Sam, I’m enjoying watching all your instructional videos. Watching them has given me lots of confidence for when I start setting up a couple kit guitars I got this past Christmas. I’ve been layed up between a multitude of surgeries over the past couple years, so when I have had the opportunity to mess with my guitars Ive used it to play my factory built guitar rather than work on the kits. I must say that I really thought that the kits would be merely wall hangers but between you and another Englishman I’ve been watching on the tube (who loves the Harley Bentons), I’m convinced I can make them fine guitars. The other gentleman I’m speaking of can really play the hell out of anything obviously and if he and guys like you believe an inexpensive guitar set up well can rival the big names, I’m a believer. I have a classic vibe tele (Squier) I acquired a while back in pieces as it had electronics issues. I can’t wait to get it all set up now with it’s new wiring kit and tonerider pickups. Pay no attention to those who aim to criticize your competence. As with all things, there are multiple ways to achieve desired results. Using your senses (eyes and feel) to setup guitar seems far more important than arbitrary numbers such as factory recommendations as those numbers are assuming the same starting point or condition of the guitar. Anyhow, thanks. I’m a subscriber and will continue to learn as much as I can from your instruction.
@michelbrantjes7036
@michelbrantjes7036 8 жыл бұрын
tried it like you did, you have to get the hand of it , but then it worked for me ,thanks!!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Michel - good to hear. You're right, it takes some 'getting the hang of it' but once you've got it, you're away.
@1234588001
@1234588001 6 жыл бұрын
hi sam brill vid again im not so good at the measuring i have a lot of feeler gauges on one keyring and theres no 1.5 or 0.3 is there another measurment i should be looking for on the gauges thanks again
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
Hi - somewhere between 0.012" and 0.016". It'll play fine if it's 0.4mm (if you have that gauge). If not, it's worth getting them because above 0.5mm you'll find the notes start playing sharp and a couple of bucks for a new metric feeler gauge set is a tiny investment for a great playing action every time :-)
@jamesmgreen15
@jamesmgreen15 7 жыл бұрын
Super video again. No one can "sensibly" argue against your proven customer satisfaction track record. Thanks for sharing in such an every small step covered off way.
@tonya4157
@tonya4157 7 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. Thank you very much. I'm pretty new to this and trying to learn. This method seems to work very well. I'm glad you talked about maintaining the fretboard radius on the frets, no one else seems to. But I thought that's what the different radius blocks were for. Why shouldn't you use them? And it's really possible to have the action that low and not have the low E rattle or buzz? I had no idea you could go that low. But, my guitars are new and not high end so, that's why I'm here. If you have time to reply it would be appreciated.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Tony, thanks for your comment. The main reason I use this method is that it removes the minimum amount of fret material required to make the action I've chosen play. With the strings on I can level *just* until the notes free up, then stop. With a radius block you're cutting until...what? You've cut ALL the fret tops? Until your fret rocker stops clicking? In both cases you're judging it against an arbitrary absolute level...which you don't need to be aiming for. All you need is to level enough to make the action you've chosen play. There's the advantage of this method. A small bonus is that it's a little more accurate too...for long-winded reasons :-) Yes, you can go that low - and it's a mixture of the right relief and level enough frets. You can get great results with your low-end guitars using the basic techniques I do. If you want a step-by-step guide I'd be failing in my duty if I didn't recommend my eBook: facebook.com/relovedguitars/photos/a.1434485003475282.1073741832.1434242346832881/1831237983799980/?type=3&theater
@timgospodinov5861
@timgospodinov5861 7 жыл бұрын
the slightest discrepancy between the radius of your fingerboard and the radius block will cause it to take too much either at the corners of the frets or the middle of the fret, which will feel weird playing the guitar.. You can use the blocks, just in my experience pay attention what is happening with the first few strokes and the marks on the sandpaper.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Tim; yes, I know this and I state it repeatedly on my videos. It's one (just one) of the reasons I don't use radius blocks to fret level.
@robertdarbymusic
@robertdarbymusic 7 жыл бұрын
very interesting, good food for thought..
@nobbynose4254
@nobbynose4254 6 жыл бұрын
great video clear explanation
@dudududuFthetories
@dudududuFthetories 4 жыл бұрын
which size truss rod should I buy for this method? do you have any specific recommendation of truss rod? (uk based).
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Oli, I use mostly a 46cm one. It's not as long as the entire neck but it's never been a problem. I've tried a bass guitar rod but it's just too flexible for my liking. I sometimes use a StewMac U-channel truss rod too - it's stiffer than the 46cm one. The downside is that thinner (or narrower) is better for the neck / levelling process but even the wider U-Channel one is still much narrower than most fret levelling files or beams.
@dudududuFthetories
@dudududuFthetories 4 жыл бұрын
@@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars ok thanks pal, i'll let you know how it goes. I levelled my strat twice with a levelling file and still i'm getting loads of buzz on the g and d string around the 5th to 10th fret. I suspect I've got a bit of a hump around that spot where the neck is compressed horizontally, I think I can even see it. Hopefully under tension levelling is the cure. I love your channel mate, lots of good knowledge to be found here, keep up the good work.
@joecrow1182
@joecrow1182 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam find your videos very interesting. could you recommend a truss rod length for the levelling tool. Many Thanks
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Joe, I mostly use one of 44cm even though it doesn't quite reach all the frets in one go. For that, you'd need a 46cm one. The reason I use the 44cm one is that it allows finer adjustment than the others (it just happens to be that way) and that matters to me more than reaching all the frets.
@joecrow1182
@joecrow1182 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sam much appreciated.
@capa31100
@capa31100 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam Love to watch your videos I have learned a lot from you really appreciate it. Can you please tell me is there any different between trusrood and other trusrood. I have one came from broken cheap guitar which one I planning to use for fretlevelling. But this trusrood doesn't look straight I mean I can see some waves from side. Hope you got me English isn't my first language. Also if you can please tell me what are these small "legs" what you using to put on fretboard to match up the relief. Regards Roland from Crawley
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Roland; ideally you need a truss rod that will lie flat and become controllably curved when you tighten the adjuster. Also also needs to be straight (i.e. not 's' shaped) as well as flat. If yours isn't flat or straight, don't use it and find another. Either buy one (they're only a few Euro / £ new) or find one from another spare neck. The 'legs' in my case are small brass domed nuts but it can be any 3 things so long as they are all the same, fit between strings and the tops are above the strings.
@capa31100
@capa31100 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you gentleman
@CIRCLEOFTONE
@CIRCLEOFTONE 7 жыл бұрын
Great vid.
@usfenderfsdlx
@usfenderfsdlx 7 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video just on crowning with the diamond fret file? I've seen one of those on stewmac and was interested in getting one, but I saw some others recommending using a regular file and rounding it manually to avoid accidentally lowering the fret more. That seems like a lot more work so I would like to see how that diamond file works.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hi - I'm a bit busy right now so probably won't make a separate vid for that, but I can confirm what you're already thinking: the Stewmac file is quicker (3 x quicker) than using a 3 sided file, but less accurate. The speed thing isn't a massive issue - a whole neck takes me about 5 min with the Stewmac file and about 15-20 minutes at most with the 3-sided file. The Stewmac file also tends to hit the top of the fret as you imagine it would; however it's also not a major problem as long as you stop as soon as it does. By contrast the 3 sided file NEVER hits the top of the fret so is slightly more precise. I bought (and use) the Stewmac file because I do so many setups that the time saving adds up for me. It's was worth the investment - and although it expensive, I hear that Stewmac's customer service is excellent so any problems they sort it out. If you're only doing a couple of fret jobs, I'd say stay with the 3 sided file. The two set ups I show in my eBook are done with the 3 sided file. Hope that's useful, cheers, Sam
@usfenderfsdlx
@usfenderfsdlx 7 жыл бұрын
Hey, that's perfect! Thanks for the response.
@timgospodinov5861
@timgospodinov5861 7 жыл бұрын
it's pretty hard to tell how well the radius is cut into all of them (I have all stewmac files) and sometimes you end up making too much rounding or to steep of side.... I still prefer the three corner file which is one of the best for crowning, and after doing it a couple of times, you will be faster than radiused diamond.
@mrjonradford
@mrjonradford 6 жыл бұрын
Cool video. Could you tell me about the Arbor Press in the background. Clarke? What about the fret press caul?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Jonathan - the Arbor press is indeed from Clarke and a very useful, dependable study device it is too. I use it in conjunction with a bungee cord to hold the caul down on the fret for 10-20 seconds (using superglue) so I can move along pretty quickly these days. The caul and brass inserts were from StewMac I think but you can find the same kind of thing from G&W in Portugal.
@mrjonradford
@mrjonradford 6 жыл бұрын
I see they do a slightly smaller one 1/2 ton for about £33. Any advise about the size? The 1 ton press is about £60
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
I think mine is 'overkill' but I always end up going for heavy / solid / over-engineered :-)
@Deric_Rocks
@Deric_Rocks 2 жыл бұрын
Great and clear tutorial and explanation, thank you! Can you still achieve two tone bends with the action down at 1-1.5mm? Thanks again for posting this 👍 🥂
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome! Yes, I can get those bends at that action with precision fret levelling (which I do on all my setups). The only guitars where you can’t get those bends out of that action are where the radius is very tight ie 7.25”. Anything below 9.5” radius requires a progressive compromise meaning a fractionally higher playing action the tighter the radius gets. It’s a purely geometric limitation resulting from the curvature of the board and the vertical disparity between the start and end points of the string and it’s position at full bend. Think if it as pushing a string uphill while it’s anchor points remain down in the valley…
@Deric_Rocks
@Deric_Rocks 2 жыл бұрын
@@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars Sam thank you for responding and doing so in such detail. Great stuff 👍 Good luck with the channel (just came across it today), all the best 🏆
@congamike1
@congamike1 7 жыл бұрын
This is the best setup video I have seen. Your information just saved my guitar. THANKS! I liked and subscribed.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Mike - that's good to hear!
@user-fp9se2oe1s
@user-fp9se2oe1s 4 жыл бұрын
Greetings sir ! I really enjoy your content and consider your advice/tips/tutorials to be the more accurate or at least accurately elaborated out there ! I would like to ask if a refret job prior to leveling would be preferable , to get rid of the lower worn out frets and then file down the higher ones altogether , to avoid taking out too much off of all the frets. I would really appreciate your input on the matter, cheers !
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the kind feedback. A re-fret is essential when the frets are substantially worn down (i.e. nearly flat) or very damaged. A re-fret can be preferable when you've bought a guitar that you love and want to keep but the frets are (for example) 1/2 way through their life AND uneven / worn. Occasionally when a customer sends a guitar for a full set up including fret levelling I will tell them that the frets are so low that it doesn't make good economic sense to level those and make them lower. For another 100% of the fee they can have a complete re-fret if they prefer which includes full set up and precision fret levelling. That way the guitar gets anther 30 years of life. Some customers ask me to re-fret new or nearly-new guitars just because they don't like the gauge of frets on the guitar. That's fine if the customer wants it :-)
@user-fp9se2oe1s
@user-fp9se2oe1s 4 жыл бұрын
@@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars I believe your answer covered it all ! Thank you very much for the detailed explanation ! I will stick around to learn more from your channel . Keep it up !
@NotMarkKnopfler
@NotMarkKnopfler 3 жыл бұрын
Just wondering where in the UK (approximately) you are based? Cheers
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 3 жыл бұрын
Hi NotMark :-) I'm in Devon - but do most of my setups via courier; drop me an email at samdeeks@gmail.com if you want to discuss - thanks!
@micgos66
@micgos66 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. (Subscribed). I'm all for saving a bit of cash! I've checked through all the comments but couldn't see any mention of what you used as the spacers for setting up the curvature of the trussrod/leveller. I am thinking that they all need to be the same height so any advice would be appreciated. Also, what length is the trussrod that you used?
@juanrubiogarciandia6597
@juanrubiogarciandia6597 2 жыл бұрын
I need the same information ;)
@gentelmanjunkie542
@gentelmanjunkie542 Жыл бұрын
dude. so good.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars Жыл бұрын
Thanks, hope it made sense & was useful!
@VoxJ
@VoxJ 8 жыл бұрын
Turning the bridge pivot points under tension can wear them pretty significantly?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
+Robert Johnson III Hi Robert. It's an interesting point... I've never noticed any damage from doing it. When you use your vibrato the way it was designed, it's also under extreme load - metal edge to circular post. When you turn the post, you are moving the post while the edge of the pivot stays in the same place but the loading is the same, just the movement is different. The argument about damaging the mechanism assumes there is some mechanical reason why that horizontal turning motion of the post surface against the blade edge is more destructive than a single-point up and down pivoting point motion. I'm not saying there isn't such a reason, just that I can't see why it would be so..?
@VoxJ
@VoxJ 8 жыл бұрын
+Sam Deeks Hi Sam, it was mentioned on the web somewhere… You are probably right. I always loosen the strings, just to be sure. I can imagine that a horizontal turning motion of the post surface against the blade edge could engrain something in post surface. Maybe only if it is a bridge of bad quality and then the use of the vibrato would damage it also.
@stevevallance6326
@stevevallance6326 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice! We live in San Pedro California, fairy close to the water. You mentioned the gulls, which is very nice. As I think I told you I have been a licensed falconer for 40 years, and I have seen the reduction in peregrine falcons, as well as the successful attempts of reestablishing, world wide. Better men than I dedicated their lives to captive breeding of peregrine falcons, and released hundreds from cliffs, and even buildings. They have now returned, and I am positive you have peregrine falcons all around you. If you are interested, there are hundreds of webcams that show nesting falcons.
@mark64tanner
@mark64tanner 7 жыл бұрын
Another great vid' in the spirit of home made tools, neck support,. I've been using some old (cant think what you call them) but basically 10 to 12" by 3" bags filled with wheat that my wife used to chuck in the micro wave and use as heatpacks for aching muscles. Being fairly long they can be folded to adjust height, and being, basically a beanbag, they conform to any shape and you can get a lot of support over quite a large area. You could do similar with a decent sized sock 2/3rds full of rice. Not a huge fan of some of the neck rests out there as they focus stress in a very small area. just thought I'd share
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Great idea Mark... usually we have one of those bean bags somewhere around the house, but we're currently out of stock lol. I'll suggest one for the Mrs. and then it might just vanish a few months later :-)
@mark64tanner
@mark64tanner 7 жыл бұрын
LOL, multifunction kit keeps everything cool ;) Haven't done it yet but might this weekend, is the bag of rice and a long sock, might have some good Desiccant properties too. ;)
@davidtrevi2914
@davidtrevi2914 6 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your instruction. Especially, the use of the white board as a visual to explain your technique. Kudos!
@therightsound7547
@therightsound7547 7 жыл бұрын
I think your concept here is 100 percent correct
@BeesWaxMinder
@BeesWaxMinder 4 жыл бұрын
Would there be a danger in using your DIY Katana IF You were to conform it to the curvature of the neck using those 3 feet (where do you get those from, BTW? Do you make them? I’d Imagine each’d have to be fairly accurate in height between each other…?!) & then take the strings off, to one side and then put the 3 feet back in exactly the same place they were, between the same frets they were on and turn the truss rod until it matches the curvature of the DIY Cortana. I.e. keep tightening the truss rod until all three “measuring feet” touch the “DIY Cortana “and then work with it from there? That’d be a better use, surely?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
You're overthinking it. I've done somewhere around 1000 set ups this way if not more. It works well enough to keep on using this method. If it didn't, I wouldn't believe me :-)
@BeesWaxMinder
@BeesWaxMinder 4 жыл бұрын
Sam Deeks My eBay truss rod arrived today 👍!
@ASQUITHZ9
@ASQUITHZ9 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely first class as always Sam, I was just wondering if you analyse peoples business/finances in the same thorough way? and then offer them some kind of meditation therapy?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 3 жыл бұрын
Well...funny you should say that. A few years ago I worked with CEOs of companies around the world to help them find credible ways to communicate change to the people in the business... A mix of all the things you said :-)
@parttroll1
@parttroll1 8 жыл бұрын
Also neck angle can influence the action of the guitar and whether a shim is required in the neck pocket or the more drastic neck reset on acoustic guitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
+parttroll1 Good point... I didn't cover if / when you might use a shim on the neck. Another video sometime - although I'm no 'expert' in shimming; I just do it when I have to!
@parttroll1
@parttroll1 8 жыл бұрын
I'm sure you'll be fine at doing it. Ben Crowe from Crimson Guitars did a video on it not long ago.
@hollywoodactress
@hollywoodactress 6 жыл бұрын
Sam, I think your technique as a guitar tech is ace. I have watched many videos and every one does it differently. At the end of the day if the customer is happy and ultimately the guitar is setup to play like butter, it's a job well done.
@Mega_trav
@Mega_trav 2 жыл бұрын
Where did you buy your version of the Katana?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 2 жыл бұрын
I bought the actual, original Katana from the seller / inventor. For reasons I've talked about many times in the past, I stopped using it. But I was convinced about the logic of levelling frets that way so I made my own improvised version from old truss rods and have been using it ever since. The one I use most these days is a StewMac 'U-Channel' truss rod, I also think Martin guitars use that kind.
@Mega_trav
@Mega_trav 2 жыл бұрын
@@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars thank you. I just ordered a truss rod from StewMac to try it out. Any idea where to get the feet?
@kenarmstrong3842
@kenarmstrong3842 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mega_trav I'm sure you have found them by now but for future queries Amazon has them!
@adamgiansiracusa5068
@adamgiansiracusa5068 7 жыл бұрын
I have a Katana. Works great. Leveling under string pull is the only way that has ever worked for me. Straightening the neck and using a straight radius block does not account for movement under string tension, but to each his own. I agree that the use of a more narrow bar allows you to better follow the radius. The Katana instructions say to move back and forth in an X fashion. Still, you need to be very respectful of maintaining the radius. Great help in this video. Thanks.
@Bad_Phil
@Bad_Phil 7 жыл бұрын
I have one too, and I may have buggered up the radius on one of my favourite guitars because I wasn't paying attention to the feel of the radius and may have flattened it out too much. Live and learn!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Adam, thanks for the comment. Nice to meet another 'curved leveller' :-)
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Don't feel too bad Phil - I saw a StewMac video once where the legendary Dan recommended using a diamond-coated chisel sharpening plate / block to level frets. That thing was literally as wide as the entire fingerboard...I couldn't believe it, or imagine what it would have done to any curvature in the radius. I've erred on the 'thin' side ever since - although I've been switching between a 10mm wide and my original 5mm wide truss rods these last few set ups. The wider one is less respectful of the radius but slightly stiffer and holds the curve better.
@johnewald3148
@johnewald3148 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!!!
8 жыл бұрын
Hey, 1,000 subscribers! Well done, Sam.
@MICKEYISLOWD
@MICKEYISLOWD 7 жыл бұрын
Just like to say when you lower the bridge on a Floyd Rose type bridge with the strings under any tension or the rear springs then you can damage the knife edges resulting in your trem never being able to return to correct pitch. This is caused by the rotation of the studs cutting into the knife edges. The correct method is to slacken all the strings and pull back the bridge to cause clearance when you adjust the post heights and then tune to pitch and check the height.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that - plenty of people have mentioned this so it's useful to know. Mechanically / physically I'm not convinced about this...yet so I'd like to do some practical research on some old guitar that I don't care about :-)
@MICKEYISLOWD
@MICKEYISLOWD 7 жыл бұрын
Sam Deeks I can assure you any rotation immediately damages the knife edges and cuts severely into the posts and the the trem cannot return to perfect pitch. Recently I bought a Ibanez RG and had to replace the posts with the newer shallow bevel type and I also reground the knife edges slightly, also I profiled the edge as described by a guy at Ibanez rules who recommends feeling the knife edge and if they are overly sharp they will cut into the posts and loose stability and so gently taking off the sharpness with 1500grit until they feel like they will not cut into your skin easily means they will be very stable in operation. After doing all this to my Ibanez I now have a trem that will not got out of tune no mater how hard I divebomb and pull up and It will do very long warbles showing me there is minimal friction going on. Hope this helps and I really enjoyed your video with Morris. Btw I'm ordering a Fender trussrod to try your method and usually I create fallaway around the 15 to highest fret where the fretboard is rising upwards to get the lowest action possible. Without doing this I usually find the highest notes don't ring loud and clear.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your experience Mickeyislowd, useful info for sure. My jury is considering all the evidence lol but your views really help. Regarding the 'fallaway' business - try out the truss rod method and let me know if you still find you need 'fallaway'... personally, I don't but very interested in what you find out!
@MICKEYISLOWD
@MICKEYISLOWD 7 жыл бұрын
Sam Deeks Cheers, I will get back to you as and when I have tested out the trussrod method:)
@sdpgo12
@sdpgo12 5 жыл бұрын
That was great!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Scott but be warned, 38 'thumbs down' disagree with ya :-)
@utubehound69
@utubehound69 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sam!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@falafelfajt
@falafelfajt 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! What are your opinions on Vigier Guitars? They have no trussrud (they use a carbon strip instead) and they set up the necks perfectly flat. I've only heard good things about the guitars. How do they keep the strings from buzzing?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 5 жыл бұрын
I've not seen or touched a Vigier... As a rule 5 main inter-related variables are at play in your guitar action and will dictate whether you get what I call 'string slap' and / or fret buzz: • 1st fret action • last fret action • how hard you hit the strings • levelness of frets • amount of relief. The lower you want the action, the more level you typically need the frets to be. If you want a very flat neck and a low action, you may need to hit the strings less hard... By reputation I would expect the Vigier to have a very precisely-made neck, very level frets and a low action... but physically there still HAS to be enough room for the strings to rotate / flap about when struck, however that room is created (playing action or neck relief...). A further variable is probably the gauge and tension of the strings; heavier gauge may not move about as much as 'looser' thin gauge, requiring slightly less room... Lots of things at play :-)
@mciver47
@mciver47 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sam, very helpful.
@potaylo
@potaylo 7 жыл бұрын
could you adjust the neck straught under tension an eliminate the need to match the curve then put the relief back after leveling?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Technically yes... although I don't see any advantage in doing that. You'd still need the string on for the tension - systems I've seen with jigs appear just to 'push' the neck into a curve without the component of compression that seems to make a small - but valuable - difference. Since it's every bit as cheap and easy to use a truss rod tuned to the curve as it is to put sandpaper on a beam...why not keep it exactly in 'as-played' configuration?
@potaylo
@potaylo 7 жыл бұрын
Sam Deeks not sure I made my question clear. adjust the neck straight under tension then level with a straight tool. then put relief back in the neck with the trussrod for playing. after all the crowning and smoothing of course. eliminating the need for matching the curve.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, I understood the first time and my answer is the same: technically, yes, but I don't see any advantage in doing it that way.
@potaylo
@potaylo 7 жыл бұрын
To me the advantage is you don't have to mess with matching the curve eliminating part of the procedure that could cause problems. Never having done a fret leveling It is just my conjecture.
@potaylo
@potaylo 7 жыл бұрын
I am just trying to understand the reason for doing it with a curve/relief. from what I have found out it is the variables created when working in a real environment with wood,metal and tensions and I am sure a host of unseen items to me. So it makes sense to do it with strings tuned to pitch/tension. I appreciate your taking the time to share your experience and knowledge.
@gregknight5141
@gregknight5141 7 жыл бұрын
Still find it odd that the Katana guy was funny with you about you using his tool - free advertising for him and he wasn't happy what's all that about. I've made my own banana thanks to your videos. Cheers!!I use Ben from crimson guitars masking tape and superglue trick for getting sandpaper on due to the trickiness of getting adhesive sandpaper!
@johnjohnstone4837
@johnjohnstone4837 8 жыл бұрын
Sam, Ill admit I skipped through this one a little! I like to see you working on actual 'jobs' ! Anyway, question. Surely you can still use the 'manufacturer' levelling tool if you are not taping? Another question? I thought frets followed the fretboard radius? That doesnt seem to be taken into account or does it? If its not, can you tell me why the board is radiused? I dont know too much about this , so Im curious. Thanks. Cat is a star too!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
+John Johnstone John you're forgiven :-) I don't take it personally - I'm saying mostly the same things again and again. The videos are primarily for people considering buying a particular guitar from me and if they're useful to anyone else then that's a bonus. Your question is a good one. The frets DO follow the fretboard radius and ideally when you level them, you try to also follow the radius in your passes down the line of frets. For that reason my first home-made 'tune-able' tool (a Squier strat basic truss rod) was probably idea in that it's only about 5mm wide max. This means that you're levelling in about 5 or 6 slices across the radius, preserving the radius curve as best you can. The wider the tool, the less it 'respects' the radius. This is why I was quite astonished to see Dan Erlewine of StewMac suggesting on a video somewhere that you could use one of those chisel-sharpening steel plates (with the diamond grit on them). The one he showed was about as wide as the fingerboard and risked flattening the radius off!! The Katana is as wide as the StewMac truss rod I'm currently using i.e. about 12mm. Just as you pointed out, I'm conscious as I'm using it that unless I 'roll' it as I use it I could be in danger of flattening out the radius to 3 or 4 passes. Equally the Crimson Guitars fret levelling file is nearly an inch wide and could cover the whole radius in 2 1/2 passes REALLY flattening off the curve to (theoretically) a triangular peak! In practice I've found I'm getting great results with my current 10-12mm StewMac truss rod. Now and then I'm tempted to go back to the narrow one for added precision but what it gains in narrowness it loses in that its a bit too flexible. Good questions! And yes I could use that other tool when I'm not taping and for a few weeks I did - but I'm mostly taping and I'm now used to the other one. It's barely any more trouble.
@johnjohnstone4837
@johnjohnstone4837 8 жыл бұрын
+Sam Deeks Thanks for taking the time to explain Sam. Over the width of the board the larger radius wouldnt be affected so much, but still, I was puzzled as to why you wouldnt be following the radius. Seems odd they sell tools that almost cover the whole width of board! I wont bother you, but will now try to find out why its radiused in the first place. I expect its something along the same lines as to why you need the relief, for string vibration. Thanks again.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
Ooo - more interesting questions! Why is the neck radiused...? And classical guitars seem to be the opposite - concave? I would guess (and I mean it's only a guess) that it has to do with the physiology of the hand...
@johnjohnstone4837
@johnjohnstone4837 8 жыл бұрын
+Sam Deeks Think for the most part you are correct!
@johnjohnstone4837
@johnjohnstone4837 8 жыл бұрын
+Sam Deeks Boy, just thought of something else. Are bridges made to correspond with neck radius? Im sure theyre not. Hmmm...Im thinking too much about this..LOL
@guitarmemoir
@guitarmemoir 5 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable that you would have to disclaim at the beginning to avoid persecution for trying to help people. The world is going to crap. BTW I love your cat, he reminds me of mine. Same tail. ;-)
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks GM - appreciate it. I try not to get into that too much these days :-)
@guitarmemoir
@guitarmemoir 5 жыл бұрын
No doubt. You obviously have more interesting things to do. No thanks necessary. Your videos are more than enough. Actually I have been binge watching them....but please don't let on.. ;-).
@mickm8028
@mickm8028 8 жыл бұрын
Would it Not be better to cover the pickups?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
It's never been a problem Mick. I cover them when I'm sanding the frets (as it gets very messy and dusty then).
@alexandreazzalini-machecle4775
@alexandreazzalini-machecle4775 3 жыл бұрын
Setting of the string heights is discussed at this point in the video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/msici8dzmcfRfI0.html
@adamneal69
@adamneal69 6 жыл бұрын
Curious how bending would be. Wouldn't a small circular motion be more effective? Keep up the good work ;)
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Adam, I'm not sure what you mean here. All I can say is that it works very well the way I do it so far but I'm happy if I find ways to improve it.
@davelister1400
@davelister1400 6 жыл бұрын
The high E on my guitar slips off the fret board quite easily ....is this a nut problem or a fret problem? Love watching your vids very interesting and informative.......unlike most dross on yt! I'd have really enjoyed having you as my lecturer in uni .
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Ryan.. the basic problem is that there's not enough fret to the outside of the E. This can be a) because the frets are cut too short, b) because the nut slot is cut too far to the edge and / or c) because the frets have been bevelled at too 'oblique' and angle, eating into the playable length of the fret. Occasionally there's a d) the saddle spacing is too wide for the neck so the E strings start falling off the fret board nearer the body-end of the guitar (it's rare but happens for example when you put a regular modern Strat-style bridge on an Indian-made Sunn Mustang or Indian-made Encore strat copy. Lastly e) the neck is so far out of alignment with the bridge / body centreline that the strings end up leaving the confines of the fretboard at some point. Of all the above is most likely a, b or c but you'd have to work out which you think it is. Hope that's useful!
@davelister1400
@davelister1400 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the detailed reply ....I think it could be a combination of A,B and C...lol. When I get some cash together,would you consider working on it? It's a Mexican Fender Tele. Although I do understand you must have a backlog of guitars to work on.
@davelister1400
@davelister1400 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your detailed answer , I did reply to it but it's disappeared can you let me know if you got it, when you get the chance please.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Ryan, sure I'd be happy to. If you can email me 'samdeeks@gmail.com' we can go from there - cheers!
@BeesWaxMinder
@BeesWaxMinder 4 жыл бұрын
I like the phrase “...silvered by the SandPaper”!
@simezra
@simezra 6 жыл бұрын
43:55 so if the guitar dosen`t have a relief and the tool touches the middle, that means the tool is not actually flat? what if the player don`t want a relief ? the tool is useless in that situation
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Simezra.. the tool can be set flat, or with any amount of curve that the neck has. How flat or curved the tool is when I use it is determined by the amount of relief I put into the neck. Most of the time I set the neck to have a little relief (something like 0.2-0.3mm) and go from there. If you specifically don't want any relief to suit your style, then that's fine - I can level with a perfectly flat truss rod tool. I won't 'guess' that it's flat, I'll still use the brass nuts to make sure it's exactly as flat as the neck. The only thing about setting zero relief is that you tend to find you have to have a slightly higher last fret action than if you had a little relief because the strings are more likely to 'slap' on the frets when you hit them.
@simezra
@simezra 6 жыл бұрын
i think i got it, thanks for make it clearer
@VoxJ
@VoxJ 8 жыл бұрын
Very informative video! Thanks! :)
@stevevallance6326
@stevevallance6326 4 жыл бұрын
Lol, I live in Los Angeles, and we had a little rain this year. Almost 5 inches this winter. It was cold a couple mornings and I had to put on a sweater.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
I know I whinge on about the weather... but I'm not really complaining :-) The return of spring in the UK with the resurgence of new life and greenery is wonderful... and would mean nothing without the contrast of the grey, dreary wet winter months as a counterpoint. I've lived in the Caribbean and Florida and while I LOVE the warmth and golden sun... eventually I craved the changing seasons.
@RandySchartiger
@RandySchartiger 6 жыл бұрын
that Katana guy blew up on me too a few years ago, I thought I was complimenting his system but he obviously took what I said the wrong way.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
That's interesting Randy... I'd be curious to know how it happened. If you ever feel like 'dumping' the story', email me on samdeeks@gmail.com ;-)
@RandySchartiger
@RandySchartiger 6 жыл бұрын
it is interesting, a friend was sent a Katana system to review on his channel (boudreau guitars) and I said something to the affect I might change something, plus it was a crock the Katana people wouldn't answer my friends email about the system, and man, Katana people showed up and blew up on me in the comments, he has since removed his comments and I deleted the one that upset him so bad. heres a link to that video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rJiBZamr08ezn58.html
@metallixro
@metallixro 8 жыл бұрын
this video is a must watch for someone who wants to buy a used guitar. very well done sir!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
+Metallix Thanks Metallix :-) Glad it's useful
@kenrandall4494
@kenrandall4494 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, thanks for another excellent video, I have learned so much from you, and I enjoy the banter so much. As for the knockers, I wouldn't worry about them, even some of the so called in business shop owners sometimes talk crap. I wish I lived close by, you would have to shoot me to stop me coming in for a chat, I love it, I would even bring the cakes, lol Shabby.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ken :-) your feedback much appreciated!
@k9er233
@k9er233 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Sam. Interesting perspective. Ignore the haters. Stiff upper lip and all that... Cheers mate!
@joeking433
@joeking433 2 жыл бұрын
Why the Christmas lights? I've seen other KZfaqrs use Christmas lights in their background. Is this a known tactic? LOL!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing so clever... my stepdaughter gave them to me for Christmas and I like twinkly lights. Once they were up, too much trouble to take down!
@DANTHETUBEMAN
@DANTHETUBEMAN 6 жыл бұрын
a welder could make you one out of stainless steel,, a harder stiffer metal. you might need a tool to adjust it, but it would be more stable. that might be what you should do to get the best of both worlds.
@stevevallance6326
@stevevallance6326 4 жыл бұрын
You’re in the UK but didn’t you say Cornwall? I hear it’s beautiful? No, I got it from watching the sitcom, Dr? Something, I don’t remember. But it was funny as he was afraid of blood, which made it interesting.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah.. Doc Martin - set in Port Isaac :-) I'm just over the county border in Devon but Cornwall (including Port Isaac) is in easy reach for those windswept cliffs and wide bays. I spent from age about 5-10yrs old down in Falmouth (the original one) :-) The smell of the sea mixed with diesel and the sound of gulls crying is in my blood.
@nicirvin1994
@nicirvin1994 3 жыл бұрын
That's the way the Mop Flops my friend...
@thomassessions9347
@thomassessions9347 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Stumbled on it after watching your one on the EJ200, as I'm going to do a saddle replacement and general overhaul. Shame about the Katana man. My view FWIW is that he sold it to you, you have the right to use it how you see fit; you can't reserve ranting rights. Plus he's in the US anyway, and you're UK law and jurisdiction (I assume), so tough!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
Lol thanks Thomas. I decided that I didn't want to promote his tool by using it (and still being the target of his anger!) so I simply improvised :-)
@MICKEYISLOWD
@MICKEYISLOWD 7 жыл бұрын
@34 min mark the Fender Squire neck looked awfully bent.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Reject! :-)
@paull2815
@paull2815 7 жыл бұрын
NO ONE ESCAPES THE YOU-TUBE INQUISITION! ; )
@crabtrap
@crabtrap 8 жыл бұрын
people over stress about "needing a refret" unless there is drop damage that dented them it is very rare unless you keep taking your guitar to these youtube "guitar tech" hacks. I have had 50-60y old guiters come through my shop and the frets are fineother then needing a cleaning and polish. fret leveling is a differant story but usually only needs done once or twice a life time.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
Hi - I refret only when there's too much damage or the frets have been worn so low that they're uncomfortable to play (you feel more wood than string) and when sideways bends become very difficult. I almost always need to level frets to get the guitar to play at the action my customers want - but as you pointed out its usually the first time the frets have been levelled on that guitar. The reason I use the fret levelling approach that I do is to limit the amount of fret metal needing removing to get the action playing freely.
@Abravenewfear
@Abravenewfear 5 жыл бұрын
Very informative Sam....but I think you need to work on your drawing skills 😁 Morris already replied and agrees
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 5 жыл бұрын
I need to work on my bow-huntin' and nunchuck skills...
@tomnabor4933
@tomnabor4933 5 жыл бұрын
No matter what, where or when, there will aways be critics and nay-sayers… which I suppose there will always be a need for bows and nunchucks even if they're only figurative and imaginary. Keep up the good work Sam!
@michelbrantjes7036
@michelbrantjes7036 8 жыл бұрын
oh.... and 6 euro, for the trussrod(new) and 8 euro,s for sticky sandpaper
@tonyflesher4188
@tonyflesher4188 8 жыл бұрын
Sam. Your white shirt is darkening the video. You need to wear a dark one :)
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
+Tony Flesher You're so right Tony. Will remember for the next time - thanks!
@SweetSpotGuitar
@SweetSpotGuitar 7 жыл бұрын
Land's End probably has one in 18% grey... :)
@MegaJackpot180
@MegaJackpot180 6 жыл бұрын
just finished my banana i put masking tape on the flat then glued 400 grit to it works great thanks sam
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
Nice one!
@Craftypumpkin1
@Craftypumpkin1 8 жыл бұрын
That's great people have been respectful, i really don't like gnawing fingers off, they are not good for the old diet you know lol
@MrBritrider
@MrBritrider 7 жыл бұрын
Great information thank you. One suggestion though, maybe you should remove fish eye effect on your GoPro cause when you hold up necks and say flat we're looking at a banana lol! No what I mean?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Lol, yes know what you mean...however, it's 'wide-angle' all the way because it saves me having to point the camera all the time. Prefer my concentration to go into setting up the guitar rather than worrying about the camera shot :-)
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