Vestal about to turn into a Flagellant from all the damage she's taking

Now we're being a bit too harsh on Vestal. I can't think of anyone else I'd rather sacrifice at the region 1 Guard node to get 2 free mastery.

i love a position dependant character that can neither damage nor heal

she's doing her best

Maybe a buff for divine grace that would work is that for every percentage above the healing threshold, its 3 percent less effective, so that you can still heal chip damage around 75%, and get the max value at 30% without being completely locked out of an ability until you reach that threshold

Vestal in DD1: Must have character that people had even 5 of them in roster, could outheal sleeper AoE attacks and had insane action economy Vestal in DD2:

Vestal needs a glow up so bad, give her a taunt in the tanking path and maybe have concecrations give a token on first cast +on the heros turn

The Little Vesta that Could (but in reality shouldn't)

Movement skills are not only harder to utilize because enemies are more resistant to it but also because moving them in general is less effective, less enemies are impacted by being out of position, have an easier time getting back into position and in general just don't give a shit.

10:46 It used to be amazing on carcass hellion, since her winded tokens used to count as a negative token, so her winded debuff would actively make her 50% Stonger, plus immobilized 2 and taunt 3 with toe to toe

50% chance to hit in Darkest Dungeon 2 secretly means 30% chance for you and 70% chance for the enemy. Redhook made it a clean 50% so players wouldn't get discouraged from gambling, it's the same logic as hiding % chances in gatcha games.

I liked the part where Shuffle went afflicted

i'd love to see a path or something that lets vestal put out combo tokens consistently as another form of support. give illumination combo to bring it to par with tracking shot, maybe give hand of light a combo applying 1-2 cleave for a nice front-line vestal option? it feels like dd2's got plenty of ways to use combo, but could use a few extra ways to apply it

When I play this game it's like going through all stages of grief every single fight

I like the consecration vestal with a team that can easily reposition. I have been doing jester, hellion, highwayman. You proc consecrations multiple times, so she gets a big hit in.

the threshold for divine grace is honestly just bullying at this point 25% will literally never be used, you might as well pass a turn for it's healing and 33% when upgraded? that's where other not good heals START (wyrd reconstruction) and it's using conviction tokens, you're already using them on mace bash or judgement

local man runs absolutely horrendous comp and then proceeds to lose his mind

I did a regen / no damage /ministrations/ (guard/consecration damage) vestal with a bannerette crussader, dismas rogue and occulstist warlock and she carried the team hard against dots and even shambler chirorgeon fight. I think it's better to focus on keeping the team alive than focusing on fighting.

Teams like this is why I spend 30 minutes setting a team up to make sure I never get put into these situations. Team building is my favorite part of the game.

Merry Christmas!

Merry Dismas Shuff!

Leper bailing you out after hitting through blind twice in a row and you C-ranked this man smh

These highlights are great, keep them coming!

Merry Dungeonmass Shuff, thanks for the great (though painful) content and experimentation

That moment when his negative relationship rolled purge and illum! Omfg lol

Enemy: With one blow i bleed blind and stun you with no coldown and also take one combo mark for my monster partner to fk you even more AND i get armor and crit, Heroes: has 37 Prerequisites to Heal 10 (maybe), 3 turns Coldown

Damn, if ever there was a team that could use the General's immobility trophy. At least Helion has been slowly getting some buffs.

"Reeling, gasping, taken over the edge into madness!"

Vestal on rank 2 with upgraded Hand of Light is fantastic. I beat zone 3 and 5 with Vestal on rank 2, MVP.

I always said Foetor is the most difficult region (atleast before The Shroud got added) and this video shows perfectly why.

You still have the funniest reactions in all of KZfaq. 😂😂😂

I just had a run very much like this. Nothing went right, Vestal was absolutely useless, and the entire time I was wondering why I hadn't just ran Banneret or Support Flagg. I died in the fourth region to a random collector and swore never to run Vestal again until she gets some buffs.

glad to see even the big bois of darkest dungeon get afflicted too

The best Christmas present

hello. I watched some of the full runs, but like these kind of edits. helps that they are funny af

"Had a lot of fun today" Press X to doubt

She needs some fucking speed

Imo before every run u should be able to buy a few trinkets you want for hope candles or so.

i really tried to make vestal work. the most effecitve team i've had her in was vestal in 4, pd in 3, maa in 2, and highwayman in 1. with the idea being that chaplin vestal guards pd while maa guards highwayman. forcing all the enemeis to hit into block tokens all the time made the stupid 2 regen not terrible. but i really struggled to find any actual use for her as a healer. shes better used as a buffer or a guard dog. which is kind of sad because i like vestal a lot as a character.

Vestal needs something but idk what exactly

have you tried the mantra healing path? Seraph I think its called. Im sure you have since you've played as much as you have. That's the only vestel path that I like the healing from, even if it takes three turns to set up, still its a 50% heal of two people when its upgraded. Other then that I feel the same way about vestal. awesome run either way

My thoughts: hollow vessel needs a cooldown, divine grace's threshhold should be 30% and 40%, and loathing can f right off forever.

You say certain paths 'aren't made for this game,' and I kind of agree although I think there are niche use cases, especially for random comp runners. I hope paths like these get their spotlight in future dlc or get decent adjustments!

Reminds me of my act 3 run getting a fucking shambler ROAD fight at above 20 torch before the exemplar

Say what you will, but Vestal's consecration of strength is wild on dance teams. Like, PBS HWM + Hoqling End Hellion + Seraph Vestal just fucking slays

Did latest balance patch change vestal? She was like one of the best rank 4 characters at launch.

Went through all that. And still somehow beat act 3. I salute you

Clearly if you have X team composition with Y trinket against Z scenario then Vestal is perfectly balanced nay! Busted even! Kudos to you for using Leper I refuse to put up with his blind shenanigans no matter what.

she can pray to her god/s for a buff or ten

this video is hilarious in a miserable kinda way

On this episode of DD2, Shuff has bad luck and struggles against the game. Don't worry though, he's not tilted and because of that he doesn't issue complaints that are invalid.

My favorite team with vestel and leper is seraph + tempest, just turn the leper into the doomslayer with mastered light invocation

So i just wanna throw these into the world, so this is gow i would adjust these four characters even though no one asked Runaway: give her a single point of base damage on firefly, make searing strike into a strong attack (4-8 burn 3 unupgraded) so she is rewarded for playing forward, give the burnaway skill 100/150% burn damage instead Leper: make combo increase minimum damage by 33/50%, and change break to "can only be used while not blind, 4-9/6-11 damage, inflict vunerable on enemy, inflict weaken, blind on self", make blind harder to inflict on himself or simply rework his passive to be "blind attacks do minimum damage" or just give him a leperacy token to do so Hellion: make yap a stun for winded, make bleedout useable only in 2, make howling end require winded tokens, remove toe to toe's winded removal for guard/+ for each winded token, add damage to her normal attacks(at least 1 or she will fall behind) Vestal: eliminate divine grace's c/d, and increase the healing threshold to 50/66%, change healing to 20%/30% + 5% per conviction token, increase the healing by 50% when under half the healing threshold

Does shuff have vods? I want to watch his gameplay because he’s a bit silly

divine grace has saved my ass more times than I can count probably because I run a lot of low max health teams with her

Can you make a video about good team comps please?

In vestal we trust

hellion in bottom of barrel team? derp crying

Confessor should get damage buffs to Mace Bash and Hand of Light.

I swear minus like, Evangelist or a couple back liners like the pistol guy or the spitter, moving enemies does almost nothing

Hear me out: make vestal the only hero who can heal any time (no below hp% limit)

Even back in DD1, while I liked Vestal, I always wanted her to be more of a Battle Cleric than a heal/stunbot. Now in DD2 she's not even good at that. Feel like she just needs a total from-the-ground-up rework

When will there be a crusader guide?

19:01 Shuff summarizes his time with this terrible team.

Okay but seriously, Larval Slop is such a BS move. I had a run last night where in 1 turn one of my heroes ended up getting I think 11-16 blight for 4 rounds. I just kept getting hit by it. And for the people who say "Just pull the maid or push an enemy back" that doesn't always work. Move Res is a thing, and if they resist, congrats, your backline is going to just explode. I don't mind hard foes. But especially since the move hits your backline, typically the lower HP heroes, it's so annoying. Can't wait for the champion version where Larval Slop hits your whole team for twice as much blight!

How do you get so much mastery? Resistance encounters don’t drop mastery points like they used to.

Nice run mate, ya did well and got luckier than my mate who went through old act three, came across a sprawl where he couldn't go through the region without powering up FF due to the sea of loathing and ended up having to rely on meltdowns for stress heals.

Also, Maid isn't a support unit. She has no support unless a Goat is present. But whatever.

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POG!

Just commenting to boost

You're just running wrong team with vestal, one of the good vestal teams is something like: PD; Jester; MAA; Flagellant (Order up to you)

What happened? Last I checked she was S+ tier wise.

Cain, stop playing bad comps. :D had to do it.

Vestal isn't very good, we can all agree on that. But I don't get why you build her like you do? Why run Illumination? It's a terrible skill that is only useful on very specific enemies. Judgement is bad, but It's guaranteed damage from her position 4 if you have a turn where she would otherwise do nothing. Why not always run Divine Comfort? It's a health buffer for the entire team and can be used pre-emptively compared to Divine Grace. Consecrations, again pre-emptive bonuses. Sanctuary can help mitigate some damage on certain characters, but why not run taunt on your tank(s)? Also with Leper, why run Purge/Hew/Bash when Intimidate exists? Withstand + Intimidate and you can have the rest of your group do whatever they want. Also why not just throw a controlled Burn on dodge heavy enemies for free dots? Several characters needs readjustment and I'm sure that everyone agress on that. But some of these build choices were questionable to say the least.

why they wont just admit they made Vestal terrible is so confusing... they dont want her to be a healbot so they made a low threshhold a 4 turn cooldown... LIKE they reduced the cd but at the end of the day Occulist PD and Flag do it better... FLAG!!!! i rather leave it to chance than wait for them to be 5 HP to get a 7 hp heal. like Redhook kiss my ass

She really is shit. Why does divine grace have a 2 turn cd and a 25% threshold? Wild

Idk I like Vestal consecration

It’s amazing that the “healer” character is just so bad at healing. She is a good support with the token generation but healing is very bad. She needs to be maybe 30 then 40% on her big heal to be able to top people off and have it on a 1 turn cooldown when upgraded. See how she goes from there. If it’s too good then nerf it.

I do like to watch people suffer whilst playing darkest dungeon; slurp slurp…

They better remove vestal for good sake and redesign thr whole crap of her.

Running vestal as the healer forces you to run another healer on top of her. Useless character.

Increase the healing threshold on divine grace to 50%, if character has combo clear combo and heal for double the amount. Buff divine comfort to give +4 regen and +5 regen on mastery. Buff judgement to deal 6-10 damage and 9-12 damage on mastery. Buff mantra to heal characters with no consecrations 20% but heal characters with consecrations 40%, no consecrations heal 30%, with consecrations heal 50% on mastery, if characters have combo, clear combo and give a +2 regen and +3 on mastery.

Shuff "Im incredibly based". We've heard your opinion on elden ring hon, the only thing you are based on is book written in braille that has been under water for the last decade. Cool gameplay though

to be fair, you playing the 3 worst characters xD

I think you're really making vestal look a lot worse than she actually is. Divine comfort is her best skill by far, and should go in every build except rank 1 chaplain. This skill alone is so busted it can carry even really bad team comps, especially if you get some nice healing trinkets such as ghastly gruel or her insane icon of the light class trinket. I consider this skill to be among the best ones in the game, along with take aim, more more, encore, plague grenade and retribution. But I can't deny there aren't problems with her. I genuinely think seraph is her worst path, and I actually consider it a bit of a noob bait. With her pathetic 2 base speed, she can't set up consecrations fast enough that her teammates could benefit from them round 1, which effectively means she just straight up does nothing on the first turn, which is the most important turn. Not to mention seraph baits you into running and using both consecrations and maybe even the mantra in addition to a conviction consumer (usually judgement) meaning you lose her great utility skills, such as sanctuary, ministrations and illumination. Confessor is her strongest path I think, due to how powerful illumination gets and because she still keeps her passive conviction generation. Also, confessor's upgraded hand of light is actually kinda good, meaning she usually does a better job at being the bonk vestal, even better than chaplain if you run her in rank 2 to still be able to use illumination and divine comfort. To me this is the true vestal+ path. Her other paths could definitely use some light buffs tho. And in general divine grace feels really underwhelming. Here's some of my ideas: -Divine grace, threshold increased to 33%. Divine grace+, 50%. All paths. -Non-confessor illumination (or illumination+ if it's too strong): Combo target. -(Chaplain) mace bash: Swap the effects of 2 and 3 conviction. Now deals double damage at 2 conviction, ignores dodge/armor at 3. I also wish chaplain had some (non-profane scroll) way to generate taunt, due to requiring that to get conviction, and I wish seraph wasn't so dreadfully slow so she could get value from consecrations earlier, but I can't think of anything for them that wouldn't be really broken. Maybe speed token for self when placing a consecration, so that she could at least move once before her teammates on the second round?

"wahh games too hard!!" beats act 3 with no deaths. Such a cry baby haha

Complaining about enemies having massive dot effects in a video dunking on the character with infinite dot cures

POG!