PlayStation 5 120FPS Mode vs. PC 120FPS: Benchmarks & Graphics Quality Comparison
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Күн бұрынWe matched PC graphics settings to a PlayStation 5's 120FPS Mode, then benchmarked PC hardware until we found a match to the PS5's framerate (FPS) performance.
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First, as stated in the conclusion, there's a place for both PCs and consoles and it's not as simple as a price-for-price comparison. Still, as an exercise in understanding the graphics capabilities of a modern game console (the PlayStation 5 was used here), we set forth on matching the Sony PlayStation 5's 120FPS Mode graphics settings against a PC, the latter of which has individual controls for various in-game options. Once we matched the settings to be roughly equal, we ran benchmarks against GPUs (and one CPU) until we found a performance threshold roughly equal to the average FPS / frametime performance of the PlayStation 5. This gives us a relatively like-for-like comparison to better understand what the PS5 is comparable to -- it's about a GTX 1060, 1070, and 1080, depending on game, when not running ray tracing. Ray tracing would be something we need to test once more games support it on the consoles. Testing includes a grouping of three games, but the overall concept extrapolates to other games as well. We've established a range of performance to estimate rasterization performance at equal graphics quality (roughly) between the devices. Again, we think the PlayStation 5 and other consoles fill an important role in the market that can't be simply replaced by a PC, and likewise, a PC offers a lot of extensibility not given by a console. They both have an important place and thus this is more of an academic exercise in determining the performance and quality equivalence.
DMC5 Special Edition is only available on the PlayStation 5; it does not exist on PC or on the PS4. Borderlands 3 and DMC5 have both had specific treatment for PlayStation 5 and are more than just a backwards-compatible port. An example of a backwards-compatible-only port would be God of War, which is a PS4 game that has not had any treatment for the PS5. You can play it on PS5, but it is a PS4 game without any treatment for the PS5. Miles Morales is unsuitable for comparison because it does not exist on PC.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - PC vs. PS5 Graphics Comparison & Benchmarks
01:18 - Methodology Basics & Discussion
05:01 - Devil May Cry 5 Graphics Comparison (PC vs. PlayStation 5)
06:53 - Performance & Framerate Modes (120FPS, 60FPS)
08:35 - PlayStation 5 & PC Benchmark Charts
09:16 - Frametime Plot vs. PC (DMC5)
12:07 - 120Hz vs. 240Hz Explanation
13:23 - Screen Tearing Explanation on Console vs. PC
17:29 - Logging vs. Capture Methodology & Data
19:50 - DiRT 5 Matched Graphics Settings
22:55 - DiRT 5 PS5 vs. PC Performance Analysis & Matched Hardware
23:36 - DiRT 5 120Hz vs. 240Hz
24:03 - Frametime Chart (DiRT 5)
24:39 - Borderlands 3 Matched Graphics
27:00 - BLANDS 3 Performance Benchmarks
27:06 - BLANDS 3 120Hz vs. 240Hz
27:35 - Borderlands 3 Frametime Chart (PS5 vs. PC)
28:22 - Conclusion: A Place for PCs & Consoles Alike
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@GamersNexus 3 жыл бұрын
As for the games, DMC5 Special Edition is only available on the PlayStation 5; it does not exist on the PS4. We chose Special Edition specifically for this reason, so that's important to know. Borderlands 3 and DMC5 have both had specific treatment for PlayStation 5 and are more than just a backwards-compatible port. An example of a backwards-compatible-only port would be God of War, which is a PS4 game that has not had any treatment for the PS5. You can play it on PS5, but it is a PS4 game without any treatment for the PS5. All three games we chose are PS5 native games with official markings by Sony as being PS5 titles, with specific PS5 treatment and native builds. Miles Morales is unsuitable for comparison because it does not exist on PC. Watch our PlayStation 5 thermal, noise, & power benchmark: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g9OXms6Im9vXnYU.html Grab a GN 2020 Disappointment PC T-Shirt here: store.gamersnexus.net/
@thevaultdwellergaming 3 жыл бұрын
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@drewjones3536 3 жыл бұрын
You guys doing a video for Xbox S X? Hoping my 3600x and gtx1080 are still worth it.
@drewjones3536 3 жыл бұрын
@ziggy bean how so?
@anasevi9456 3 жыл бұрын
I get 120hz, but anything above that is such a meme for tryhards. No one cares more about win more optimisations/results, which is what anything over 120fps is. You can bend over yourself trying to compare it to the 30fps console era; every way till sunday.. But the fact remains all these benches are meaningless. Any game that has no troubles getting over 100fps on a decent PC is pedantry few will care about.
@Ebani 3 жыл бұрын
@@anasevi9456 Depends, with vr and sw like vorpX getting 120fps means 60fps for each eye, which is why 120 fps is the sweet spot for modern gaming.
@oneofmanyjames-es1643 3 жыл бұрын
"Not everyone can build a computer" *Flashes up Walmart thumbnail* That is some savagery
@jagermaster1758 3 жыл бұрын
should have been verge
@randypesh89 3 жыл бұрын
Steve is a Low Key Savage!
@anonanon3066 3 жыл бұрын
@@doryiii no, but they told others to do it like they did. He didn't even mention the front IO cables, which some people have major difficulties with, apparently.. Also a fucking no go is that he drove the screws into his radiator (without fans), told his viewers that it's the proper way and then fixed it OFF CAMERA WITHOUT A SINGLE WORD Probably still leaking like a bitch. This whole theme of fucking things up and secretly fixing them off camera without a word goes through the entire build. And don't forget, it's supposed to be a fucking tutorial for absolute beginners.
@codyeakinsbradley 3 жыл бұрын
I get cellulitis all the time from Steve's burns
@TheAdamGore 3 жыл бұрын
( Hot glues USB header onto motherboard ) *(On a computer you received that was over $700 less than the one you ordered)*
@69mviewsnt 3 жыл бұрын
if Sony and Microsoft want to compete with PC they better add RGB in their next console for boost framerates
@BlackParade01 3 жыл бұрын
PS5 actually has some RGB
@rocketpencil5948 3 жыл бұрын
@ya boi breeez It doesn't have the pro level rbg tho. The one on the ps5 boosts fps by 13%, when it's supposed to be a 69% boost
@santhoshmanickavasagam2467 3 жыл бұрын
?!?!? I didn't know that RGB boosts framerates.
@rocketpencil5948 3 жыл бұрын
@@santhoshmanickavasagam2467 it was a joke
@santhoshmanickavasagam2467 3 жыл бұрын
@@rocketpencil5948 r/woooosh for me.
@jayvanburg3943 3 жыл бұрын
Final portion of this video was like treading a minefield.
@Fievel4 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I feel you should have mentioned when talking about the performance per dollar side is the very fact that consoles historically sell for less than the cost to make them because the companies intend to make up that loss in licensing fees from the games sold whereas with a PC you are paying for the parts directly with no subsidies.
@TrapasaurusFlex 3 жыл бұрын
They also make up for that cost with paid online... something you don’t need with a PC. Also the games are more expensive.
@kitkindy 2 жыл бұрын
@@TrapasaurusFlex Correct PC day one games are even at a discount compared to consoles. I have paid $20 dollars less than a console game even at launch. Lots of factors play in to the PC gaming cost "more" upfront sure, long run nah.
@s0meRand0m129 2 жыл бұрын
@@kitkindy "long run" is depend on what specs you have , sure you can run new 2021 games with a GTX950ti but is it going to be a good experience?
@jaronmarles941 2 жыл бұрын
@@s0meRand0m129 Let's say we're looking at upgrading from a 1060 on average (my case 1660S). If we get a GPU as good as (or better than) the consoles at $800 (markup) we could sell the old one for $100-$200, and get a GPU for $700-$600. Add in online for the console, and you'll have only a $40-$140 difference in a year from that alone.
@Cr1ptlord 2 жыл бұрын
@@TrapasaurusFlex i wouldnt mind paying double, atleast you have peace of mind of having no cheaters. On pc whenever i play a shooter you just pray someone doesnt have wh or aimbot...
@crazyjak56 3 жыл бұрын
"We went through 1 graphics setting at a time". God that sounds exhausting and boring.
@GamersNexus 3 жыл бұрын
Actually super interesting! Definitely tiring and extremely slow, though!
@JB-ym4up 3 жыл бұрын
Super interesting, barely an inconvenience.
@nalong55 3 жыл бұрын
well it is his job so....
@shadyengland2 3 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus The miracles of Tech Jesus.
@crazyjak56 3 жыл бұрын
@@Xilent1 Think about doing that while benchmarking multiple games while trying to target the hardware of a console that almost but doesn't quite align with most pc hardware on software with similar issues (sometimes consoles get their own settings).
@ash36230 3 жыл бұрын
A 4 year old PC wins by default since it's the only one you can get right now
@CorporateShill66 3 жыл бұрын
You can get a ps5 for $1000 so probably should compare it to a $1000 pc lol
@justorxh9695 3 жыл бұрын
@@CorporateShill66 lol thats good
@LopowerONE 3 жыл бұрын
Try to get a competent graphics card at its MSRP and see whats happens.
@drackar 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, to be fair, you'd probably be paying close to the $1000+scalper price for that four year old hardware right now. It's a fucking zoo on ebay right now.
@oceyho 3 жыл бұрын
@@LopowerONE you can a used 10 series everywhere.
@MrNiceKnife 3 жыл бұрын
32:42 sums it up nicely.
@thesprucemoose9328 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve, really interesting piece. I’d been curious about how the performance of the new consoles compared, and naturally you’ve answered it in a more detailed way than I’d even known how to ask.
@DanishTroll87 2 жыл бұрын
His comparison was trash though.
@AbimayoXD Жыл бұрын
Imagine comparing a card that can do 4k 60 to a 1060
@andrewgoodner154 3 жыл бұрын
I like how Steve talked more in depth about how the graphs actually work due to the wider audience this video is going to grab.
@djmccullough9233 3 жыл бұрын
Wider audience meaning in this case the people who take pride in understanding their hardware, and those who pride themselves in not needing to understand anything about their hardware.
@Jhakaro 3 жыл бұрын
And then the wider audience complains that the video is too long and he rambles too much, "just get to the point already" despite this.
@EcchiBANZAII-desu 3 жыл бұрын
He needs to do that because the "wider" audience now includes console people, so he has to ELI5 to the consoletards.
@GoneAngel 3 жыл бұрын
@@EcchiBANZAII-desu Hello, Consoletard here. I already knew the vasy majority of what was explained here. Tards are pretty smart I guess.
@FactoryofRedstone 3 жыл бұрын
@@djmccullough9233 I think those who pride themselves in not needing to understand anything about their hardware, are not here by definition. Even by watching this video, it shows at least some interest.
@RunawayYe 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Patrick for sacrificing your eyes staring at a small box of pixels for us!
@user-yv2cz8oj1k 3 жыл бұрын
But this is what Patrick lives for!
@alshahriar6230 3 жыл бұрын
I imagine Patrick staring at the screen and eating popcorn
@steve9094 2 жыл бұрын
Since I'm playing in 1080p without ray tracing, I expect to be able to use my GTX 1070 and R5 3600 combo for years to come. Actually, the 1070 has turned into one of the best investments I've ever made in tech - I can still play modern games with high settings four years after buying it. Good thing too, cuz GPU prices are insane.
@LucasSantos-cb1fh Жыл бұрын
i have a 1070, i cant even bump up rd2 to high settings dude im getting a 3090 soon
@steve9094 Жыл бұрын
@@LucasSantos-cb1fh I replied to you a second ago, but my comment immediately disappeared for some weird reason. Anyway, if you want, I can post my custom tweaked settings for RDR2 that give me ~70 fps with most settings on ultra or high. The lighting quality setting makes a huge difference - putting it on medium got rid of most of my severe framerate drops. The only other stuff I have on medium are water and volumetrics.
@LucasSantos-cb1fh Жыл бұрын
@@steve9094 ok ima give it a try
@hooper157 Жыл бұрын
@@LucasSantos-cb1fh you have a different problem I play on ultra with an rx 580 or 1060 NVIDIA equivalent
@melancholyentertainment 7 ай бұрын
2015 called, it wants its resolution back.
@phillyryry1430 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome level of analysis Steve!
@henok_gk 3 жыл бұрын
Been missing GN these last few days good to see you're back!
@GamersNexus 3 жыл бұрын
Should be mostly back to daily uploads now!
@ziarmex6167 3 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus it still amazes me how you can make such high quality content in such short amounts of time.
@hisfatness522 3 жыл бұрын
@@ziarmex6167 Probably due to an amazing team and sacrificing some sleep.
@johnsherby9130 3 жыл бұрын
@sᴀᴠɪᴏᴜʀ ᴍᴀᴄʜɪɴᴇ if a couple children die in order for my hardware news to be done on time then it is acceptable
@happygiraffe9787 3 жыл бұрын
Who cares about consoles when we already have 5G and Raid: Shadow legends?
@GamersNexus 3 жыл бұрын
Raid: Shadow Legends is true endgame content. You're right. Pack it up, boys. No need to use consoles or PCs for games!
@sebazk8463 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget about Mafia City
@DBRONCOSfan 3 жыл бұрын
No, no, Kings Throne: Game of Lust... my God I despise those ads...
@Dynasty1818 3 жыл бұрын
What, it was a DUNGEON run
@mythic017 3 жыл бұрын
hOw AbOuT $5
@pfeilspitze 3 жыл бұрын
13:26 "but it can still serve as a software test regardless of the fact that it seems like noone likes it" 🔥🤣
@jameslane2724 3 жыл бұрын
" A four year old GPU is a good stopping point" XD
@alexbedini731 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah a good stopping point to compare it with a 2020 Console!!! LoooooL
@thepizzaelf 3 жыл бұрын
If the ps5 has a 10.3 tflop rdna 2 gpu why is it being outperformed here but not in other channels tests with more powerful cards?
@Kold2012 3 жыл бұрын
@@thepizzaelf tflops mean nothing compared across generations and hardware manufacturers Nvidia has always beat AMD in GPU's
@thepizzaelf 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kold2012 I get that but I just don’t understand his tests, why are digital foundry’s tests showing the ps5 performing better than a rtx 2060 super but being outperformed here by a 1060-1070, maybe bad optimization for 120 FPS ?
@Kold2012 3 жыл бұрын
@@thepizzaelf likely games using AMD tools when made. therefore better optimized form their hardware, or games that are just poorly optimized on PC in general.
@vanforsman 3 жыл бұрын
This is the most clear adaptive sync demonstration I've seen! Thanks!
@BuzzKiller23 3 жыл бұрын
When your life flashes before your eyes how much of it do you want to not be rendered in 8K?
@Herbertti3 3 жыл бұрын
Like 95% is ok with 240p.
@PhoonigaN 3 жыл бұрын
I dont really like back light strobing srry...
@Meitti 3 жыл бұрын
That paragraph in that article almost sounded like a threat. "Buy it or else!"
@sigy4ever 3 жыл бұрын
All of it, 8k sounds horridly expensive
@2462631418 3 жыл бұрын
Content of this channel is always top level. Another great job
@tazmaniandarcy 3 жыл бұрын
Sony really needs to clarify that the 8k reference is not for gaming performance. It’s most likely for future video content like movies etc.
@beanslol1725 2 жыл бұрын
Which is gonna be hard because most content dont even support 8k so idk why playstation advertised that. Especially when a 8k tv will cost you a leg and arm.
@yiannis777-l9c 9 ай бұрын
@@beanslol1725 It can probably output this resolution but can't actually run it, what i mean is, the xbox 360 had an option for 1080p but no game ran at native 720p let alone 1080p, it just had the option to enable it, same goes for the ps5, it can support the 8k resolution in the main menu/media but not in games or streams.
@imo098765 3 жыл бұрын
I see another video thats going to spark controvesy over the internet
@GamersNexus 3 жыл бұрын
Not our goal!
@PrimoRocker 3 жыл бұрын
@@-_-Ga-_-ku-_- yeah, cause obviously one is better
@imo098765 3 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus For SCIENCE!
@CannedMarmalade 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah unfortunately this video is probably going to be used as ammo for PC vs Console arguments
@chilibiskit14 3 жыл бұрын
@@imo098765 fr lol even though we all know no pc can scratch the power of a ps5 at the price point
@ASKid24 3 жыл бұрын
I was hoping someone would do a comparison like this 👍
@GamersNexus 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@thesonnen447 3 жыл бұрын
It's perfect. It will hopefully be revisited also when the custom hardware mod/engine is enabled within the PS5 that Devs were talking about when they rightfully so weren't happy they were given too little time to access/use it.
@hitler69 3 жыл бұрын
digital foundry also did a comparison. go check that out too. this video honestly feels biased based on the cherrypicked games
@droolguy 3 жыл бұрын
@@hitler69 How are they cherrypicked? They literally used the games the PS5 directly referenced in their literature.
@hitler69 3 жыл бұрын
@@droolguy dmc5 and borderlands 3 are not native ps5 games. dirt5 is also not really a next gen game. he could have picked stuff like asscreed vahalla or cod blops cold war but nope. gotta pick those random ass games. and before you say something about how im console fanboy: my pc is probably better than yours. imgur.com/l7lvazO
@tonygeddes9558 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing as always! Cheers, Steve 👊
@shane.t.188 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best hardware channels outhere straight up facts breakdowns made easy to the layman...
@alienworm1999 3 жыл бұрын
This video is too level-headed, now I need to get a refund on my pitchfork
@foxvulpes8245 3 жыл бұрын
Lucky you... I had already lit my torches ):
@victorbaez8673 3 жыл бұрын
I cant get a return on my battering ram so im going to have to resell it now
@T1cksandLeeches 3 жыл бұрын
@Vishal I hope they revisit this in about a year. Give game devs time to push the new console hardware to it's max and then start the comparison. It's honestly not a fair fight right now and the comparisons will probably be all over the place from game to game. I imagine the big AAA games will start creeping up to the 2070-2080 level eventually, but only time will tell.
@thesonnen447 3 жыл бұрын
@@T1cksandLeechesMaybe native games would also be preferable, since many of these were rushed back-compats (except maybe Rally, but damn they didn't code well for it even the settings were off). 60FPS games are better for the comparison since we all know, unless a game is on a godly port like Doom/Vulkan, 4k120 AAA at native is quite unrealistic. Also, some of the engine I believe has to be enabled by Sony first.
@benedikt2426 3 жыл бұрын
@@T1cksandLeeches I don't think it's unfair because PC hardware is always getting cheaper so a future 500$ PC would also have a better performance. I personally think the PS5 will have the best bang for buck when compared to a PC in the first half of it's lifecycle, so I think for the next 3 years the PS5 won't be beat, but 3 years of PS+ are around 180$ which is the reason why I won't buy a PS5 after having a PS4 since launch. Sorry for the long answer.
@Ba1atu 3 жыл бұрын
Kudos to Patrick and the whole team for such an elaborate comparison!
@MagiofAsura 3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why people say these consoles "game" at 8k. It's pretty clear they will just upscale.
@jesse420SOCAL 3 жыл бұрын
I laugh so hard when they say this nonsense 🤣 it's not real 4k, 8k or 10k it's like using Samsung phone VR cardboard cover they sell and calling true VR like bruh it's cardboard and plastic mirrors to create augmented it's doesn't compare to real VR like occulus rift or HTC Vive
@bobbybologna3029 3 жыл бұрын
the higher framerates are always interpolated too lol
@Eyeolus 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobbybologna3029 source?
@Aluja77 3 жыл бұрын
Not only that. They will only add it to old games or more like Indie Games or Pixel games where the performence is reachable. You won´t see any Uncharted or God of War like game on 8k. Trust me it makes me sick that people actually think that they can play a good looking game on 8k.
@thraxberserker9960 3 жыл бұрын
Who said they'll game at 8k?
@jasperrost78 3 жыл бұрын
Now it will be interesting how many people watch the whole video... (a couple days later, most misunderstood comment ever, I meant literally I'd be interested)
@jon2kx 3 жыл бұрын
Dude it's dry man. I'm a PC guy and there are times where he just numbs the world out and I have to escape. He should do a TL;DR section honestly. The videos are just hard to watch sometimes. I get it, he's data oriented, but I just want a little entertainment at points to keep it fresh.
@Bubbauk88 3 жыл бұрын
If I dont have time to watch an entire video I will watch the intro, skip through the graphs and then watch the outro.
@radumirceabunica7492 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bubbauk88 interwebz be ez
@saputrasaputra3347 3 жыл бұрын
console peasants have left the chat 🤣
@rmdhn1 3 жыл бұрын
I can't watch a whole GN Video, too complicated and borring
@brokenstereotype 3 жыл бұрын
“Compatible with things that have HDMI ports”. I just spit out my coffee that I bought last week.
@deescobie9696 3 жыл бұрын
I just finished cleaning my keyboard thanks to that... :'D
@vPRiiXX 3 жыл бұрын
haha omg so funni
@nickllama5296 3 жыл бұрын
You probably should have spit that out a few days earlier, buddy...
@JamesSchro 3 жыл бұрын
Time stamp?
@rocketpencil5948 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes people forget that's pc is litterly a pc. It can be used for other things besides gaming, which is why I prefer a pc
@balloonb0y677 3 жыл бұрын
Anything you do on your computer I can do on my laptop 😐
@rocketpencil5948 3 жыл бұрын
@@balloonb0y677 Laptops are computers that are less powerful but portable. If your laptop has the same specs as my pc it's going to cost 20-30% more.
@balloonb0y677 3 жыл бұрын
@@rocketpencil5948 it doesn’t have to be powerful to join a zoom meeting, or do home work, my uncle is a computer engineer and he doesn’t even need a super powerful computer to do his work. But yes if you do need a pc for work and you like to play video games than yes you should get a powerful pc. Example: there’s a race that only takes place on roads, I have a high performance super car (console) and you have a car (pc) that performs really good on the streets and can go off-road. You can’t say it’s better than my car that can only be driven on a road because theirs no need to drive it is on something other than a road when you only need it to drive it on a road. The point is that your off topic
@Dune571 3 жыл бұрын
@@balloonb0y677 A...a laptop IS a PC???
@balloonb0y677 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dune571 they do the same thing
@josedeleon1923 Жыл бұрын
Seems like a good moment to revisit this topic, given that there are more multiplataform titles for testing.
@tyber_roman313 3 жыл бұрын
21:55 "Social distancing in the console version" Steve I would like you to know this is the humor I greatly appreciate from you. It makes watching these videos a much greater experience (and BTW i am loving my mouse mat. Glad i bought it day 1 before it sold out)
@p51mustang24 3 жыл бұрын
Only PC can provide the **true RGB experience**
@GraveUypo 3 жыл бұрын
you must not have been around for the casemod era
@critical_unknown 3 жыл бұрын
@@GraveUypo UV clear Perspex Cases making the whole room glow 😂
@marcusfarquarhson8748 3 жыл бұрын
But true is best on a high end oled
@n3gve 3 жыл бұрын
if you have good monotor to look at it
@mastrtonberry2 3 жыл бұрын
@@critical_unknown Cold cathode tubes
@PHOBOS1708 3 жыл бұрын
AWESOME WORK! KEEP UP THE BRILLIANT WORK!
@phil1606 3 жыл бұрын
I don't even game, but your information is such good quality of research, design and presentation that I find it very interesting to learn from. Super impressed how much work went into this comparison and the hours of analysis is not lost on your audience with good flow and visuals. Thanks for gaming and passionately nerding out about it in an intelligent way!
@t1e6x12 3 жыл бұрын
gaem :)
@xpodx Жыл бұрын
Yea he's baller
@magethenrogue3035 3 жыл бұрын
I guess I'm keeping the 4790k and 1080 for another year
@cwill6491 3 жыл бұрын
The 1080 will never die it seems. There has yet to be an upgrade worth it.
@imp_ct 3 жыл бұрын
@@cwill6491 lmao 1080 can't even use DLSS or RTX. Thing is trash at 4K. Keep lying to yourself I guess.
@sigy4ever 3 жыл бұрын
@@imp_ct why are you gaming in 4k anyway? just 1440p way cheaper and it doesn't make you sound like an elitist fuckwit in the yt comment sections e: just want to point out that if you are gaming in '4k' with dlss on you arn't actually gaming in 4k, just upscaling from a smaller resolution (potentially 720p), Yeah sure DLSS has done great things for rtx and the 2060 non super fps but you are not actually gaming in native 3840 × 2160 So who is really lying to themselves when they say they are gaming at 4K, while DLSS turned on?
@imp_ct 3 жыл бұрын
@@sigy4ever sub-native res is disgusting and not needed with a 3080 and DLSS.
@Ahov 3 жыл бұрын
@@imp_ct Oh look, another tech-illiterate commenter.
@LeFatalpotato 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is the closest thing we will ever get to a gaming undergrad class.
@jasonschweitzman8961 3 жыл бұрын
Lefatalpotato at Trump University?
@Hawlkeye-e9p 3 жыл бұрын
Grad, get a job for 40 k and owe 140 k. Lmao the world has reversed.
@Gamelord191 3 жыл бұрын
@Andrew V Could you expand on that?
@prefrontalcortex2602 3 жыл бұрын
Heh
@ashleyp639 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gamelord191 I think he's a playstation fanboy
@franchellevanheerden 3 жыл бұрын
Dirt 5 on consoles , no spectators. Seems like they are implementing social distance there.. LOL
@frostjack5456 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is the joke that Steve made
@PegasusTenma1 3 жыл бұрын
@Lov Mir do you even know what you’re talking about? I had a stroke reading that comment
@shagstars 3 жыл бұрын
@Lov Mir most games that are capped actually cannot run faster without lowering the graphics (they make it as good it can be with 120 fps in mind but there are always drops to 110 fps but that is not noticible.
@braxtongarner3843 3 жыл бұрын
@@PegasusTenma1 dude it’s the “gTx 1080p” o_0
@ncorcoran29 3 жыл бұрын
Yea spectators are my favorite part of a racing game lol
@Mozts1 3 жыл бұрын
This is such unique and well thought out piece of content. Great job and thanks.
@jakdex2210 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, only nit pick: screen tearing is new to the console guys? Don't forget the xbox 360/PS3 era, it was a tearing fest lol.
@jonnypena7651 3 жыл бұрын
No always because they were capped to 30fps andTV can change between 30hz and 60hz.
@nogroup5861 3 жыл бұрын
PS2 had some screen tearing games too.
@andydbedford 3 жыл бұрын
Yes Red dead redemption was pretty bad at screen tearing, however who cares about tearing when your playing the original red dead redemption, it was brilliant. 👍
@Impetu0us 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, it was very prominent in Gears of War 3.
@guerillagrueplays6301 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Makes me feel a lot better about the viability of my current system :)
@timothygibney5656 3 жыл бұрын
Damn. With Valhalla we were given the impression the PS 5 was closer to a rtx 2060. Obviously not. Devil May Cry truly sucked
@wtfronsson 3 жыл бұрын
Valhalla is a bad example. Very poor optimization on PC, broken settings that don't seem to do anything etc.
@HardDiskDog Жыл бұрын
i sorted by newest comments to see if this was still relevant to newer ps5 games and man how many people posting here are like 15, that was awful to read
@MrEstarion 3 жыл бұрын
For all value adepts, remember there's another layer of cost when it comes to PC vs console. Some regions have regional pricing on Steam but not consoles. For Russia specifically, you can save a few hundred bucks on hardware by picking PS5, but PC games tend to be at least half the price of console copies. A whole console generation is enough to end up spending less on hardware + games combined even without factoring in aggressive Steam discounts and piracy
@GamersNexus 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, lots of value in both devices, depending on region. Consoles also offer a lot of value in the peace-of-mind aspect of putting it next to the TV and forgetting about it. They're easy to get into use, there are exclusives (sometimes, getting less common), and they're accessible. PCs can do work, are capable of doing other types of tasks, and are upgradeable. Each has value!
@thejuiceweasel 3 жыл бұрын
That's a very important thing people forget about. Even here in Germany I can pre-order Nier Replicant on PC for 46€, compared to 60€ for the PS4 version. It really adds up over time. So yeah, both systems have their money saving options.
@klm_ 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that you have to pay an extra cash to be able to play on console, Xbox Live and PlayStation Plus, add an extra 50 to 60€ per year, also on pc you can do much more than just playing, you can upgrade while on console you have to buy a complete new console to "upgrade" and then still have to buy all the games again.. (or most of it or pay an extra to get the "upgraded" version)... what a joke!
@Twistedpaolumu 3 жыл бұрын
@@thejuiceweasel this only applies if you are the kind of person who only buy full priced games, there are sales on all platforms
@bodifx 3 жыл бұрын
Where I live (Brazil) PC games are considered "software" for taxation and console games are considered "luxurious item", in practice console games are anything between 2-3x more expensive at launch and if you factor Steam sales that can be as much as 10x more!
@ThanosOnHisFarm 3 жыл бұрын
I can usually follow GN videos, but this one had me seeing stars
@freemanzweidreifunf8025 3 жыл бұрын
yeah u can lituarly feel, the time and effort GN puts into their Testing Methodoligy, powering straight into your head :D but tbh... its only much talk about frames, caputrerates and misleading data, the rate at wich steve is talking it through without any visual assitance for the concept itself, while also other relavent data is presentet, makes it so challanging to follow.
@zaneearldufour 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't actually seen footage of screen tearing before, so that alone is educational for me
@michaelellams9105 3 жыл бұрын
In 2015 I was playing Rage on pc and thought something was wrong with my game had a line through my game and was wow what is that when I looked it up and just said enable vsync to stop screen tearing so I really haven't had it in other games especially after moving to faster refresh screens but always look out for it.
@texasslingleadsomtingwong8751 3 жыл бұрын
I've had it , it royal sucks when it happens .
@bobbybologna3029 3 жыл бұрын
haw haw imagine not having a gsync/freesync monitor 😄
@DrR1pper 3 жыл бұрын
The resolutions did not look the same to my eye when you showed side-by-side footage early on. Seemed like the PC was on lower resolution. Particularly apparent based on the shimmering (5:32) in one scene on the pc version as well as slightly sharper image on the ps5.
@altacc1795 3 жыл бұрын
It is just the shadows bro. The ps5 has deeper shadows.
@TomBass411 3 жыл бұрын
WOW, if i have even one take home from this as a relative layman to all this it's the great explanation of High/Low Performance Tearing! Having just switched from console gaming its one of my huge caveats as I ween myself from v-sync. Great examples to use as well!
@Flyn_Valighn 3 жыл бұрын
Gamers Nexus You should talk to your editor cause he flipped the descriptions at 5:50 and 7:55 but didn't flip the clips just sayin.
@maxpower2919 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve. You sound monotonous sometimes, but mostly enthusiastic and sarcastic. You're the charm of GN. Thank you and the team for working hard to bring us consistent content. Always some good information that my brain can't process instantly. 🤘
@JeremyHansenblue2kid3 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this, was really fun. And I'm shocked and confused as to why the hardware needed to change from game to game but framers pacing was about the same. Guess game optimization is a real thing
@Chrisjb1983 2 жыл бұрын
DMC 5 is a streamlined experience, Lot more stuff to process in BL3 and D5 and BL3 is open world. Not to mention DMC 5 was in no way shape or form a 1-1 comparison. PS5 on average competes with a 1080Ti or 2070Ti from game to game. Overall this video was slightly informative, but heavily flawed.
@shibaspeed 3 жыл бұрын
This was really interesting! I hope you will do this for PC versus the Xbox Series X.
@xpodx Жыл бұрын
Gtx 1070\1080 maybe
@ChaosPootato 3 жыл бұрын
Texture popping in Borderlands games has always been crazy
@jonnypena7651 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, maybe something to do with its specific art style.
@velinion1 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. I remember there were some ini tweaks that could be used to eliminate it in BL1 and BL2. Didn't seem to hurt performance at all either, which always made it more puzzling to me that it was there in the first place.
@Rob3ZA 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonnypena7651 It's the texture streaming feature of UE4. Can be disabled with -NOTEXTURESTREAMING but you need 8GB of VRAM to make it work with BL3
@user-zd2kl9yg4v 3 жыл бұрын
@@velinion1 Wasn't there a setting to reduce texture streaming in borderlands 2 games? Right there, in the menu.
@gvnady8380 3 жыл бұрын
30:08 At that point you should call Jay xD
@baddecisionsoff-roading3243 3 жыл бұрын
Literally read this at the same time stamp lmfao. Jay and I would get along. I like nexus and lunges mind you. New too PC and LOVE IT.
@spacekettle2478 2 жыл бұрын
@31:20 Isn't this Sony and Microsoft basically lying by omission?
@momsbasement656 3 жыл бұрын
Where is the Xbox Series X thermal review you were working on?
@damienlobb85 3 жыл бұрын
This
@irishpotato8816 3 жыл бұрын
Probably being worked on.
@ziarmex6167 3 жыл бұрын
This video must have been EXHAUSTING to make ... Still glad you made it !
@DeadSoda 3 жыл бұрын
I was waiting on a video like this. Thanks so much and the hard work you guys do
@KanekiBhaiya 3 жыл бұрын
Huge respect to Patrick •́ ‿ ,•̀
@eldibs 3 жыл бұрын
This is so educational, it's like taking a class on game graphics settings. I love it.
@najib9093 3 жыл бұрын
@@e.4485 You don’t need PS Plus for F2P multiplayer games. So I play whatever I want to without paying subscriptions. Also, most of those games he tested aren’t properly optimised for PS5, and just run with free next gen upgrades that don’t make full use of the PS5’s architecture. If there were PC ports of Demon’s Souls Remake (1440p60 with absolutely insane polygon counts) or Spider-Man (1440p60 with RT) which we know for sure are properly optimised for PS5 then PS5 would be more like a 2070S.
@santhoshsridhar5887 3 жыл бұрын
@@e.4485 Absolutely no fucking way the ps5 is as good as a 3060 ti. More like slightly more powerful 1080 ti/2070 super.
@santhoshsridhar5887 3 жыл бұрын
@@e.4485 yeah. I get it now.
@s3rv3r3rror8 3 жыл бұрын
@@e.4485 So what do you play World of warcraft at 1000fps??
@s3rv3r3rror8 3 жыл бұрын
@@e.4485 That is actually a good game carry on!! 👍🏼hahha i hope you guys don't take this video for facts, this video will be the laughing stock in a few months/year time! If it isn't already.
@lucapezzetta7649 3 жыл бұрын
I find your videos oddly calming. Such laid back content. Absolutely love it!
@crepituss9381 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't owned a console since the playstation 2, but this is an interesting and great in depth analysis. Thanks for doing it!
@blakecartwright8090 3 жыл бұрын
That screen tearing in dmc5 is gnarly man. Yikes
@roggiepogi211 2 жыл бұрын
Lol that's nothing to the PC users. Console gamers might cry over screen tearing after transitioning to PC lmao
@baxter009 3 жыл бұрын
Will we ever see a Series X teardown and cooling analysis?
@biobreaker5009 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man, the AIO controversy isn't gonna be shit against this one
@XyAnimeGuy 3 жыл бұрын
What controversy? I’m out the loop
@biobreaker5009 3 жыл бұрын
@@XyAnimeGuy A crapload of people started venting at PC builders after Gamers Nexus explained how to properly mount an All In One cooler. The same type of people that might missuse this video to funnel on others.
@afelias 3 жыл бұрын
@Nick Diesal You probably didn't watch the video. There was nothing subjective about the mounting configurations they covered, and they even used a dummy AIO with transparent viewing windows to illustrate their point. The fact that people misused that information, mostly by not watching the whole video, has nothing to do with the fact that the video itself made objectively good points on mounting AIOs.
@afelias 3 жыл бұрын
@Nick Diesal Which is exactly how I know you didn't watch the video. The AIO video points out two distinct types of error: Pump at top of loop and tubes up. The one that they show to have an effect on performance is the former, and the one you're talking about, the latter, has more to do with the sounds of bubbling adversely affecting anyone who wants a more silent setup. They even say in the AIO video that it's preferable to go tubes down, but if you had to do it [tubes up], it's fine for performance.
@afelias 3 жыл бұрын
@Nick Diesal It producing more noise than it has to is in fact inefficient. Earlier you mentioned performance and now you're backpedaling to "it's inefficient". At least you probably went back and actually watched the video this time. I hope, at least. stay mad indeed, lol
@jakethompson5732 3 жыл бұрын
The guy presenting this is such an ease to watch, really love the content, its amazing how many hours you can waste watching this stuff.
@scottc2455 3 жыл бұрын
The main thing that I learned from this video is how huge the PS5 is.
@johnsherby9130 3 жыл бұрын
18:30 truly amazing work on these graphs! I feel like I have a much better understanding of all the concepts here now
@Knights_of_the_Nine 3 жыл бұрын
Thank GOD you did this. Tired of people saying the PS5 has a 2080Ti equivalent.
@DeanCalaway 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe because Digital Foundry did a test with roughly the same methodology on the Xbox Series X ages ago in Gears of War and saw that game on that console running at an equivalent of an RTX 2080?
@itsjaedonsan3166 3 жыл бұрын
Forreal I've seen a bunch of gpu comparisons, but this 1 is the best
@LukijsFroGo 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt say that, but when you see something like miles morales in 4k30 mode with full rt, its not aomething that 1060 could do, so it varies. Same for demons souls
@saputrasaputra3347 3 жыл бұрын
yeah... the ignorant are ignorant of their ignorance 🤣
@DeanCalaway 3 жыл бұрын
@@LukijsFroGo Doesn't Miles Morales run at 60FPS with RT on after some patch? Even if it's using checkerboard rendering or some sort of temporal reconstruction that's about the same as DLSS, "4K" but not really. It has been said many times before, this generation resolution will be fairly meaningless, specially when I'm willing to bet dynamic resolution will be common place on top of up scaling technics.
@brandonakey6616 Жыл бұрын
I had started to create a list of the flaws in the video but quickly realized how long that comment would be. Dancing around the price per dollar is an example. Sure a PC can be used for office tasks etc. too. You think people on the fence about console vs PC are worried about spreadsheets? When your comparing PC to consoles your talking about the people who are looking to either buy a PC or console for.. You guessed it. Gaming.
@eatmyshorts 3 жыл бұрын
They need a feature which soon as you get shot at and hit or shoot and hit the textures assets drop to give frame rate priority.
@shikarizero 3 жыл бұрын
21:50 "Maybe they are all social distancing in the console version..." I call that immersive gaming.
@dasistwalter96 3 жыл бұрын
I see the "professional driver" from Cyberpunk has returned for this video
@jonnypena7651 3 жыл бұрын
What that means?
@pobbityboppity1110 3 жыл бұрын
Being bad at a racing game means all of the cars are in front of you, producing maximum load.
@brian_sipe 3 жыл бұрын
@@pobbityboppity1110 Yes, that driving was on purpose, barely an inconvenience...
@bobbybologna3029 3 жыл бұрын
oh wait, the PS5 has games now? wow. They've come a long way.
@garypurdy4982 3 жыл бұрын
the testing here seems incorrect. The 1060 can barely run the game control. Yet the ps5 does control at 60fps. Yeahhh idk man this testing seems like a dud lol
@onikkobe 3 жыл бұрын
Ps5 also can run it with ray tracing lol
@garypurdy4982 2 жыл бұрын
@@onikkobe not only that but the 1060 is a 4.4 tflop card that's like a ps4 pro
@CapaNoisyCapa 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, boy. This is one of those rare GN videos that you can actually see the light grey portion of the Like/Dislike bar. Edit: Well... 24 hours later and I'm not disappointed. Like I already said: you've got any suggestions to improve Steve's methods? Drop him a email. If you're convinced consoles have more Telaflops than a $2000 PC no matter what? Watch Lichard at Digital Foundly.
@Alcatraz760 3 жыл бұрын
Well when you ignore resolution since PS5 runs DMC at reconstructed 4K and comparing to a PC at 1080p, it deserves to be disliked. It's a poorly made video by people who want to cash in the 'console bad' crowd.
@8lec_R 3 жыл бұрын
@@Alcatraz760 what do you mean by reconstructed 4k? If you mean upscaled... Then your point is nullified because upscaled literally means the game is rendered at 1080p and then upscaled (basically 1 pixel turns into 4) to 4k. There's no increase in visual fidelity when you upscale a video / game in this fashion. So 1080p upscaled to 4k = 1080p. IN THIS CASE (it may not apply to other things, for eg bumping up the quality on a yt video to 4k while watching on a 1080p screen can give the viewer a more sharp image. But this is not the point. The only reason why I gave an example was so that no one takes this out of context)
@StonedSolid 3 жыл бұрын
@@Alcatraz760 "Reconstructed 4k" is marketing BS. Don't fall for it and listen to people who actually know what they are talking about and not the people who are just trying to sell you a product.
@RuneMamba 3 жыл бұрын
@@8lec_R are you dumb ? its running at 1800p not 1080p dude much more intensive.
@RuneMamba 3 жыл бұрын
@@StonedSolid No its not, the game is literally running at 1800p lmao which is higher than 1440p. Comparing 1080p to 1800p isn't fair
@blueishgreen76 3 жыл бұрын
The removal of spectators in 120FPS mode might indicate that the PS5 gets CPU bound at 120 FPS.
@ut2k4wikichici 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah seems to be the case it's weird like between a 1700 and 3700
@irishpotato8816 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if that 3300x was bottlenecking the Gtx 1080? Or more importantly the games wanted more cpu cores and the 3300x was not enough.
@ut2k4wikichici 3 жыл бұрын
@@irishpotato8816 the ps5 does have a 8c8t mode which is similar to the 3300x 4c8t but higher clocks
@devchatterjee2955 3 жыл бұрын
@@ut2k4wikichici Incorrect it has 8c16t just like a 3700x albeit at a lower clock speed.
@blueishgreen76 3 жыл бұрын
@@devchatterjee2955 It's more likely similar to one of the ryzen 7 mobile processors without the base clock hobbled for power efficiency. The rated clock speed being an "up to" for a "variable" frequency rather than a base/boost makes it very unclear what the realistic multi-core clock is.
@jaypressley 2 жыл бұрын
A PC that can be built for $500 retail is not an equivalent comparison. If Sony is losing money on the PS5, that means the COST OF PARTS is greater than the retail price. When you build a $500 pc, the COST OF PARTS (not retail value) is considerably less than $500.
@MrDarkjustice30 3 жыл бұрын
Companies love using work play to get people to buy their product, then say you dodnt understand what they meant when it doesnt live up to expectations
@daiphelion7002 3 жыл бұрын
That price comparison section... Holy crap did the NVidia 20-series price hike massively shaft the value proposition of PC gaming with a rusty pole.
@DaFunkz 3 жыл бұрын
Damn I miss the gtx 10 series. Still got my trusty 1060.
@therealmcx3488 Жыл бұрын
Facts the only thing making the pc to console comparison lean towards console is hdmi 2.1 right now if you could get a 1060 with 2.1 it would destroy Xbox series x
@rushnerd 3 жыл бұрын
It's a seriously amazing step forward consoles can now do 120fps. With that said , it's pretty gimmicky right now save for titles that don't require as much GPU horsepower. 4K 60 is all I ask from new consoles because the temptation over time to dip back to 30 is strong.
@needausernamesoyeah 3 жыл бұрын
I just hope that this brings death to 30fps cutscenes.
@nukularpictures 3 жыл бұрын
Well if they can not really manage 1080p @ 120fps how will they manage 4k @ 60fps? That is still double the load. So you would have to lower the settings even more. Super Resolution is the only way how they will be able to run at those levels. Lets see what MS with AMD will create there.
@blueishgreen76 3 жыл бұрын
By all accounts what they are managing is 1440 at 60 Hz with upscaling to 4k. On a PS5, its apparent that they are inducing the equivalent of a CPU bottleneck trying to hit 120 fps.
@rushnerd 3 жыл бұрын
@@blueishgreen76 I have no idea what res games use that are "4K" on the system, but Days Gone says it uses "dynamic" 4K 60. Played countless hours of it last month and to me it looked like solid 4K, really impressive.
@nukularpictures 3 жыл бұрын
@@rushnerd To be honest: If you do not have a comparison, and with consoles you often do not have one, it is hard to spot the differences between Full HD and 4k. Especially if you sit a bit further away from the tv or have a smaller one. If they then use the dynamic scaling well you wont be able to tell.
@77numerouno 3 жыл бұрын
Wow that Barcode sticker on the playstation looks so sexy 😂
@insane_t1605 3 жыл бұрын
@gamers nexus NEVER CHANGE PLS
@KingOgLy 3 жыл бұрын
High frame rate is new to consoles clearly by looking at the frametimes. I would like to see a similar comparison for the new games like Watch Dog legion and Valhala that are running better graphics and higher res.
@are3287 3 жыл бұрын
Well most games were locked to 30fps on ps4 so oof
@pixels_per_inch 3 жыл бұрын
Even though the processor is very powerful, you got to remember it's Zen 2, plus it's only running at 3.5 Ghz, compared to 4.4 Ghz of the 3700, this may be causing a bottleneck when using high framerate mode
@jasonschweitzman8961 3 жыл бұрын
@@pixels_per_inch shoudlnt be an issue. On console devs have the advantage of optimising for specific hardware, considering how much devs got out of mobile jaguar CPUs on ps4 and pro, being slightly underclocked shouldnt be an issue. The real reason for the underperformance of the ps5 is that in 120fps performance mode dmc V Downsamples from checkerboard 4K its not running the game 1080p native.
@williampinnock2256 3 жыл бұрын
Digital foundry.
@alexcom2582 3 жыл бұрын
@@pixels_per_inch There is also halved cache and other differences which negatively impacts performance as confirmed by the 3300x shitting on it basically.
@tipoomaster 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I'd be interested in seeing follow ups at least once a year during this console generation, as typically even "matched" PC hardware will start to fall by the wayside while developers will just do the tuning and cuts to make things work on a fixed spec console. Some of the late 7th gen games would be unthinkable to run on equivalent PC hardware which had long since fallen off the tuning radar, I'm curious if this is still the case or things like low level APIs have blunted this somewhat.
@cramsa 3 жыл бұрын
This channel sets the standard by which others are measured.
@Aiumy91 3 жыл бұрын
My question is: is better looking HDR (oled)+console graphics or 4k SDR monitor +ultra settings? I think at this moment HDR is lacking someway in the pc panorama and some better effects or textures aren’t gamechanging from tv than colour spectrum (I suppose you sit more far from a TV than a monitor).
@nickllama5296 3 жыл бұрын
You can't really buy a TV without HDR anymore, but I agree that for gaming it's terrible. (It's not that impressive for most programming either.) As for your comparison, a 4K monitor at ultra settings is going to look substantially better than a 4K oled with console settings. As Steve's video shows, the equivalent of most console games is low to medium settings on PC games. Only thing that will look better on the OLED are the blacks, which are phenomenal. PC monitors can't come even close to that. My Samsung QLED tv, when it's showing all black, I literally can't tell if it's on or not.
@Aiumy91 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickllama5296 Yeah, I agree with you that consoles settings are low-medium quality, but what I am saying is that from distance you don't perceive this graphic details as you do with colours. When I play with my computer i sit 70cm from the monitor (I use wqhd tn freesync 144hz calibrated), so my eyes notices more graphic detail then when I am sitting on the sofa with my television and xbox, but in this second case I'm blasted by the colors. The example is that I'm thinking to play Jedi Fallen Order on Series X than on my computer because at this moment, for my eyes, HDR and Oled television are more satisfying then ultra settings on pc, or maybe I am just crazy :D
@8lec_R 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual. I just hope the algorithm doesn't punish this video too much... It's gonna get some hate unfortunately. Anyway G'day to everyone at GN HQ
@samuelm5140 3 жыл бұрын
Inb4 misunderstanding of this content adding more fuel to the console wars
@patricktho6546 3 жыл бұрын
I already see them :(
@dreddc6064 3 жыл бұрын
@@seahawkd5203 only thing is you would be playing it on 5 year old mid tier rig lol
@brenlouissurio2404 3 жыл бұрын
Only if you're a 10 year old kid. I have a PC, will get a PS5.
@Skylancer727 3 жыл бұрын
@@seahawkd5203 Personally I don't want a PS5. A few of the games are cool, but I tend to lock myself down to like 3 games at a time and wouldn't really care about their exclusives anyways. Been playing Persona 4, Satisfactory, and Genshin Impact basically exclusively since each of them came out. If only I had more time for gaming...
@Skylancer727 3 жыл бұрын
@@brenlouissurio2404 After getting a job, I don't have the time to play that many games. I'll stick to my PC and play about 3 games a year. Basically what I've done since I've finished high school. Just really changes what you have time for.
@Squinoogle 3 жыл бұрын
Fun comparison, and a bit of a reality-check for both sides.
@matheus-sm7860 3 жыл бұрын
@Jordan Condipodero If anything it showed that the consoles are bad for anything CPU bound. Hence why the terrible frametimes at 1080p, though this gen 60fps seem to be the standard which is what the optimal operation of these consoles seem to deliver, which means you can probably get away with a R5 2600 or 2700 (probably even a 85$ 1600AF Lol), and a GTX 1080 or a Vega 64, or a 5600XT, or a 5700, or a 2060 in most titles, this if you want 1440p (the consoles use dynamic res everyhwere anyway)... If you want something less, other options are probably fine as long you adjust your stuff. Its not that the GPU is bad, its just the APU configuration has some severe bottlenecks due to thermal/power choices, as expected. Compute performance doesnt translate into rasterization. Do not throw me the Asscreed valhalla argument cause its a amd sponsored title. Consoles this gen were overhyped
@radumirceabunica7492 3 жыл бұрын
@@matheus-sm7860 your comment seems like a breath of fresh air among all the outraged cherry pickers only talking about 1 game out of the 3 tested, you know - the only game that is obviously poorly optimized on ps5 rn, but fail to mention that the 1080 couldn't rly keep up in another of the 3 games tested.. gn was fair. as always. let's see dem new games rly show us how a ps5 is closer to a 2080 in perf, hopefully. I'm rooting for both sides here, pc and console users.
@matheus-sm7860 3 жыл бұрын
@@radumirceabunica7492 I honestly think it might depends on what kind of game it is, if its a game like cyberpunk with a lot of AI running around at same time or a lot of physics calculations happening around, the performance will not be that great. Luckly, most games are SP and consoles arent that great for multiplayer games as far i know, most games are chill games... Fact is, even if its a 2080 on paper, the performance isnt often translated to that in some titles. That also explains why the performance is good on AC Valhalla. At very least they seem to be 60FPS capable machines. Which was the most predominant issue on last gen imo.
@matheus-sm7860 3 жыл бұрын
@Jordan Condipodero Explain further? If you throw me DigitalFoundry videos i'll laugh at you because thats the same youtube channel that accepted nvidia's bribery about the RTX 30 performance and made absurd claims regarding their cards, and in the end the gpus were around 25% less than what nvidia and DF told us. Explain with your words, with your knowledge of the subject. I want to be BTFO.
@matheus-sm7860 3 жыл бұрын
@Jordan Condipodero If you think about it, the PS5 and the XSX as well have the CPU and GPU in the same die, which probably would get very very hot if you pushed everything (includiing the CUs) to the max like you'd do in a PC, except in the console those are in the same die, and in a PC those parts have dedicated cooling and power delivery system, it'd also explain why the variations in frequency of this console (to keep thermals in check) Its not about the hardware it has, it's about the design choices they chose, in theory it should be close to a 2070 or so, but due to thermal limitations, game optimization and how much resources are used, probably it wont be close to that in those scenarios. Its the same thing of using a 2700X with a RTX 3080 and expect the 3080 reach its max potential when theres a obvious constraint in between.
@arjunyg4655 3 жыл бұрын
It would have been nice if he gave a rough cost for each whole system, including case, motherboard, CPU etc. I have no idea how much a 1080 costs these days. Without that context, it’s kind of hard to judge any value proposition.
@Ben-ry1py 3 жыл бұрын
The pc hardware market is a dumpster fire right now. Everything is way more than it would be in a normal market, even used graphics cards.
@iprodigy6723 Жыл бұрын
I didn't realize this video was this old but currently at least in my area 1080s are going for 200+ did see a 1080 ti for 200 the other day
@lottavernix 3 жыл бұрын
This is why Steve isn't allowed to do scrapyard wars anymore. :-)
@ashishdeharia9137 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know more
@lottavernix 3 жыл бұрын
@@ashishdeharia9137 His high standards for comparing hardware aren't compatible with LTT's lighthearted approach.
@jasonschweitzman8961 3 жыл бұрын
His tendency to misdirect, exagerate and reach outrageous conclusions doesnt help either.
@theincrediblethinker6371 3 жыл бұрын
He is like the Sheldon of gaming
@adifferentangle7064 3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonschweitzman8961 Are you sad that the PS5 is about as good as most people's PCs before they upgrade?
@jeremytrees7266 3 жыл бұрын
30:00 "Not everybody CAN build a computer." Walmart PC Yowzers!
@Carl2k7 3 жыл бұрын
They spent so long asking if they could, nobody asked if they should...
@VoltageLP 3 жыл бұрын
At least console guys have shadows in their games now
@thanos2420 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Good one buddy
@Channel9iNE 3 жыл бұрын
i cant tell if this is a joke or youre just stupid
@VoltageLP 3 жыл бұрын
@@Channel9iNE of course consoles are joke, that was obvious by 2008
@VoltageLP 3 жыл бұрын
@Jordan Condipodero I don't play Oblivion, sorry
@Ahmed_ElSayed01 3 жыл бұрын
So can you a pc equivalent to the ps5 with the same price? I am asking because he just said it's equivalent to a high end pc from 5 years
@LordRamses22 3 жыл бұрын
Alex from DigitalFoundry, who hates consoles more than anything, found that in Valhalla ps5 can outperform 2080. (with actually some settings higher than pc ulta - grass for example) I don't know what Steve tried to achieve here. Gtx 1060 ? Really. Certain games, specific modes, really flexing to achieve same fidelity of graphics, 1080p only, brute forcing ps5, unoptimized games, using back compat, what happened real games that can show much more data, I don't even mention some values being out of the picture (ray tracing for example; Miles Morales), and they are old games with old engines, what brings the future is yet to be seen, can he vouch for 500 dollars pc for next 5-6 years ? Cod Black Ops, Valhalla, Legion, Godfall, Destiny with next gen patch is there for example. What was that ? What is the point of this thing ? I am truly in shock. I wasn't expecting such a bias from GN. So according to this video, if I buy a gtx 1060-1070ti, should I be good (even better than ps5) for this whole generation ?
@brenlouissurio2404 3 жыл бұрын
"Should I be good for the whole generation?" The answer is yes, just play the 3 games he tested for the whole generation.
@yousefradi 3 жыл бұрын
You know this channel for pc master race fanboy what are you expecting .
@samabrams5297 3 жыл бұрын
Why are you annoyed Steve for not referencing Valhalla, a single game, but then criticise him for comparing three of them? They had comparable performance, at 120fps. And he has the numbers to back it up. If you want ray tracing, which is a completely different beast, this clearly isn’t that test. You’re yelling at the apple tree because it’s not providing oranges.
@TheOrlandoK1d 3 жыл бұрын
No discussion on the difference in power draw between the console and PC? Would have been interesting to see.
@CrimsonOmega- 3 жыл бұрын
No testing at 4k?
@user-ct5sf5dp8w 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, so everytime we compare consoles are 5 year behind, but everytime they port a PS exclusive we need a current high end PC to run…
@rherbm 3 жыл бұрын
you absolutely don't need a high end pc to run death stranding especially, but also horizon zero dawn.
@lucazingri 3 жыл бұрын
and that pc costs more than 500$,it's only 400$ for cpu and gpu
@user-ct5sf5dp8w 3 жыл бұрын
@@BestGameLoadouts Exactly my point, consumers are ripped off by lazy/bad programing (Cyberpunk 2077 for instance) and so call new techs (RTX for instance).
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