Podcast| From Fear to Fluent: British Girl's Journey Speaking Mandarin| Taiwanese Boyfriend Helps?

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@MandarinWithMissLin Жыл бұрын

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@dharmawanhalimwanawijaya7728 Ай бұрын

I'm very impressed with Cherie's Chinese 佩服佩服！It's enjoyable to watch this where two people talk in a relaxed manner.

@MandarinWithMissLin Жыл бұрын

♡ I'm grateful for having Cherie sharing her experience with us. She spent 3 years living and working in Taiwan but it was 10 years ago. I know many of you have Taiwanese in-law family, I hope Cherie's story is helpful for you. Thank you again Cherie! I believe her parents will watch this episode too:)

@emanueleramon7115 2 ай бұрын

A pleasure to watch this interview, hopefully I will push myself to practice more. It's about practicing, even though Chinese required more determination and constance. Fluent or not I will like become more understandable

@jeramiegeronimo8780 Жыл бұрын

Wow! She so good at chinese👏🏻

@zbjaslee0108 Жыл бұрын

Hopefully one day I speak also fluent Taiwan mandarin . I always watching your vedio.

@TheInterloafer Жыл бұрын

我的天啊，她聽起來完美流利！！非常很棒！謝謝兩個分享這個故事。我現在在事實生活經常太緊張其實用中文，哈哈哈。

@tshen Жыл бұрын

Cherie 真的很棒棒的耶！謝謝妳分享妳的經驗。

@mickeybrown9052 9 ай бұрын

Subscribed! That was a pleasant conversation. I was able to catch 90% of it. Thank you.

@tatianealbuquerque7046 Жыл бұрын

What an enjoyable conversation. That's inspiring, and I could also learn a lot from it! Thanks for sharing. I'll probably watch it again. 🇹🇼🇧🇷 🥰

@MandarinWithMissLin Жыл бұрын

Glad it helps!! ❤️

@MandarinWithMissLin Жыл бұрын

NOTE🌟This interview focused on Cherie’s journey from fear to fluency and what she did when she stuck in conversation. We didn’t persuade learners to totally ignore tones. It depends on your current level and what you try to work on. Actually, in additional to tones, the flow of the sentence, rythm, emotions are equally important If you wish to speak like a native speaker. Please check out my Shadowing Playlist where I talk about more about tones and speaking tips. For complete and structured strategies, I highly recommend you to join my Conversation Training course to have step to step guidance.

@TheFiestyhick Жыл бұрын

Hi Perhaps my comment made you want to clarify because I didn't word it exactly correctly. Yes, I think we all understand that being very good with tones is vital to fluency and I understand you are not teaching people that tones are not very important haha.... What I meant was, even some teachers totally disagree with your concept of not worrying too much about tones in the EARLY learning phase. Rita Mandarin even disagrees with that perspective, She strongly feels like students need to put a lot of emphasis on correct tones in order to avoid creating bad long term problems. She feels like you'll sound much, much better, in the long term, if you learn to get good at tones, from the first month. She doesn't agree that in early phase just relax about tones because she feels you'll create bad habits and why not just try to sound good as soon you begin learning. She disagrees with you and says the opposite, so I was just sharing because I was curious to get your opinion. However, regardless, I know you are doing a very great job😀

@BeyondMediocreMandarin Жыл бұрын

Okay, her Chinese is just phenomenal!!

@TheSquareTiger 8 ай бұрын

Hope Cherie's Chinese is really good, Chinese is a really difficult language especially if you never learnt it or have always spoken a different language for a long time when moving to a different country, so what I noticed when I go back to Taiwan since I was born there, I found it hard to talk to people since I am not very fluent, I can speak Chinese but I stutter and pause and it is also the same in Hong Kong, I also noticed that I get a lot of people who stare at me in both countries when I don't speak Chinese but speak English, I feel like people actually know I am not a local in Taiwan or Hong Kong, also I have noticed that there are not really many accents around the people I met in Taiwan and Hong Kong.

@errgo2713 Жыл бұрын

I'm a British learner also and my level is about the same as hers (tocfl b2, 5 terms at NTNU MTC). I just want to say to fellow learners if you read this: please don't give up tone accuracy for speed/fluency. All it does in the long-term is lull you into believing you're good at Chinese while offloading the work of deciphering what you're saying to native listeners. Natives call this 歪果仁 Chinese. They are being polite when they compliment you, as they admire how hard we've worked to get to this level, but silently know you're speaking a parallel form of "foreigner Chinese". Tones are always word choices, not minor pronunciation ideosyncrasies. Sorry for the little rant 😅

@barrelrolldog Жыл бұрын

While that is true that incorrect tones do = not being understood, no matter the context.(even if your pronunciation is sloppy as hell such as my vietnamese classmate, if your tones are right you will be understood) I disagree that you should overemphasis learning them in the earlier stages. Doing speaking practice repeating sentences - spoken in a native way at a native speed - is a better way to be able to be understood and to understand what others are saying early on. If you focus too hard on tones at the beginning when you are unfamiliar and they make little sense you will likely confuse yourself.

@errgo2713 Жыл бұрын

@@barrelrolldog I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. I also believe the difference in our views reflects a priority difference between short term or long term gain. In my case, I've already emigrated to Taipei (fortunately on a spouse visa). I want to live here with zero language barriers, no matter how long it takes. My classmates come and go on 90 day visas. It's understandable that they prioritise fluency over accuracy; that's a legit achievement in itself. But life here as a language student/tourist is a bubble humored by underpaid teachers. Outside, in the real world, accuracy is as important as speed-fluency.

@barrelrolldog Жыл бұрын

@@errgo2713 I don't believe we have any difference in our goal, i started learning chinese over 10 years ago and I've lived in Taipei for many a year also at this point. It just takes a long time to get familiar with the tones / sounds of chinese. So, by shadowing (i think thats what the technique is called) locals You will pick the tones and sounds up in a more natural way instead of having to overly focus on the tones. And i'm not sure if you are saying your classmates are studying for short periods or not, but if that's the case i do not believe they are fluent.

@errgo2713 Жыл бұрын

@@barrelrolldog Congrats to you, a decade of learning is no joke. Just to clarify what I define as fluency: the ability to understand and speak continuously without much difficulty. It can be achieved by intermediate level, within a year of continuous learning. How accurate this fluency might be however is a separate determination. All of my current classmates have gained fluency by tocfl b2. But how we compare to native standard varies greatly as its abundantly clear which of us care about/work on tone accuracy. There's a guy that still pronounces 台北 as "thai pay", but since the majority of his 發音 is of this standard the teacher stops correcting, as it's too time consuming in a group class. I would implore everyone not to cut corners regarding tones early on, no matter how hard or tedious, it's the soul of the language itself.

@barrelrolldog Жыл бұрын

@@errgo2713 Doing what miss lin suggests - shadowing. isn't cutting corners, infact its something most students won't do, and will end up as she said in the video -with robotic unnatural sounding speech by only following the class style.

@TheFiestyhick Жыл бұрын

Nice interview It's interesting that you say that its not important for students to try too hard to have perfect tones in the early phase, yet some teachers disagree with that advice. Are you familiar with Rita Mandarin? She puts a HUGE focus on mastering tones, from the START, and she says that teachers that say " don't worry very much about tones", are wrong. She says you should try your best to keep practicing tones correctly, from from the beginning and be firm about mastering them because if you are too loose, you will create bad habits that will cause long term problems. Now, i am not sure what to believe lol

@contezw Жыл бұрын

Rita is actually a pronounciation expect. It's kinda like her own niche so she really indeed puts so much emphasis on tones. However, tones are important as well although Ms Lin here is right in her approach in that you need to learn how to walk before you can run. First off, build a vocabulary, understand hanzi, train your ears to hear spoken Chinese and their zhuyin and lastly work on pronunciation. It doesn't work if you say Ni hao perfectly from the start because it is going to expend all your energy on one aspect (pronunciation) whereas mandarin has like 5 aspects that need all your attention. I would say tones are not needed at first but after having accumulated some vocabulary, you need to start perfecting your tones... Tones do matter, just don't worry about them at the start....

@TheFiestyhick Жыл бұрын

@@contezw you explained that perspective nicely. Very nicely. Thank you. However, it is also interesting that people like Rita totally disagree and have the opposite perspective. She strongly feels that folks should emphasize learning correct tones, right out of the gate to avoid long term bad habits. I see both sides. Because I come from a theatre background, I like working on accents etc, so I tried to learn tones correctly from month one and, yeah, I sound very good. Doesn't mean I am perfect or fully fluent, but I sound solid, for a foreigner that has never been to Taiwan. So, anyway, not sure what is the best approach. Probably your advice is best approach. Thanks much😀

@contezw Жыл бұрын

@@TheFiestyhick Language learning is one of those grey areas where you aren't sure what works and what doesn't but I know for sure, Mandarin is one of those languages with no shortcuts or secrets but a good roadmap means the difference between "fluency" and "perfection"... In your one month's approach you probably put in more work than the average person and it paid off for you considering you major in theatre and actually depend on it for "survival" lol it is good to know that you have near perfect Taiwanese. What did you use for learning pronounciation? I use music and podcasts but I am kinda lazy using the movie approach because Taiwanese dramas are really enjoyable pausing every second kinda ruins the awe...

@errgo2713 Жыл бұрын

@@contezw Strongly disagree with this approach. It just bakes in bad habits that become ever harder to correct as vocabulary grows. 發音 is word selection. And what's spoken is intrinsically as important as how it's spoken. Dividing this in two is what destines learners to a poorer standard to native speakers.

@contezw Жыл бұрын

@@errgo2713 The exact approach to tones is ambiguous to say the least. Even natives don't even know how to teach foreigners tones or how they learned them and even many natives butcher tones in speech all the time. To start off with 100% emphasis on tones is to sign a death sentence to your language learning journey. You develop tones through hearing first and you practice tones through speech so tell me how can you speak what you don't know or never heard? First is massive input then you start focusing on tones. That's my argument. It is not that tones do not matter but it is that tones are a massive detterant to learning if you pay much attention to them initially. First learn what to say, then learn how to say it...

@johnke996 2 ай бұрын

Ho do we get English subtitles? I understand nothing.

@dharmawanhalimwanawijaya7728 Ай бұрын

Hi John, subtitles are available by clicking on the CC icon in the lower right section of the screen

@cristoff3 Жыл бұрын

Miss Lin, I just discovered your podcast and I am loving it! 我是个英国人，我下个月去台湾！特别兴奋！如果你有什么推荐请告诉我！😀

@MandarinWithMissLin Жыл бұрын

Welcome to this community! :) Lucky! 象山!! Elephant mountain is a must

@cristoff3 Жыл бұрын

@@MandarinWithMissLin Thank you! I'd love to meet up and buy you a coffee as a thank you. I'm also super interested to hear how you got your podcast off the ground! I think it would be a fun 聊聊. You can let me know if so (..but I totally understand if you're not interested, haha) Thanks again!