I used Conqueror maps for my boss rushing (~200 maps+ with 6 minutes per set incl. invitation on my Hexblast Miner) with Destructive play, since you use Maven anyway for the elderslayer invitation, and she uses Destructive Play each time, even if you run the same Map layout multiple times. Multiple runs of the same map don't count as "Map boss witnessed", but you get Destructive play each map. Helps a lot with self-sustaining the Elderslayer invitations (not 100% self-sustain though...).

I think the note is only worth when you are running shaper guardians or conquerors + the invitations, for normal bosses 100% not worth it.

@@mikevakoff8330 I did that with harbingers as well, the sextant makes all bosses drop shards, even the spawned ones. Was seeing fracturing shards every 3 maps, had a few drop as full orbs. Was running Cold Dot Ele, the only issue I was running into was how fast bosses die and would have to wait for her to spawn them sometimes. You can also use Orb of Horizons to switch the conq maps to ones that have not been witnessed to make sure you are getting the 10 way done as well. Definitely going to do it again next league. Run red boy till I have a decent amount of sextants and switch to maven.

Thanks for testing it empy ❤ but it was common knowledge for us boss rushers that atlas invitation is shit, destructive play have to be paired with shaper/elder/conq invitations since those give 5-6 splinters + fragments + awake sometimes. ALSO its unfair u re not doing essences here as always, we all do 2c essences + atlas essences

​@@Azsunesim interested in that, could u share your altas? Thanks

how you'll manage to roll that much boss drops conq map sextant on ssf?

@@vladislavmith8004You don’t. It’s probably largely from the atlas nodes that give extra chance for map bosses to drop conq maps.

Same. Runned 100 conc sets with elder compasses. 5 flat Cortex, 11 sint maps, 30 shaper maps, 27 elder(without compasses) , and 25 conc. Around 10d/h but i didn't run atlas invs(cuz runned 5 layouts) .

can only agree here. I am currently running this and made like 9 div an hour without tryharding and with a lot of pauses and stuff.

Also for some reason he decided to do 0 essences here lol one advantage of destructive play is that it takes like only 3 points from ur atlas

Did he not say that the compass adds 2-3div/hr value? So you think alch orb adds this much value?

Are you running the conqueror sextant as well?

Harbinger scales off of pack size, which he has absolutely 0. Harbinger adds a TON of wait time, so it is a bad choice for boss rush strats.

@@Magebloodits mainly for the 2-4 bosses dropping fragments, also if youre running guardian rotas it doesnt really add much time at all killing the one harby while dropping the bosses.

​@@Kai13216and you're making profit from the sextant, just killing one harby pack?

​@@Kai13216but do you profit from the sextant by just killing one harby pack?

Tried that for a bit it was nice. But I was running Conqueror maps, they count for both for the currency drops. The map boss and the conqueror both drop splinters, plus the extra bosses that spawn. Then every 4 maps you get to do a conq invitation and every 10 the 10 way invitation. Getting a maven writ every 10 maps and quite a few conq exalt orbs. The invitation seemed to drop 1 in every 5 maps so I would rarely have to buy one.

Was there a reddit post on this? Why is everyone saying this lol... seems really bad. You have 0 pack size in these maps, and you are adding a ton of wait time in a boas rush strat...?

@@Mageblood No, I always like harbingers and wanted to try it out. Just have not felt they were really worth it since the divine meta craft change. This league though the I am getting more fracturing orbs than last time I tried it and they are relatively the same value as in previous leagues. They were making a large chunk of my profits while running this. Getting 2-4 extra mobs dropping shards is noticeable. This is now probably the best way to farm harbingers. Sure I can run the maps faster if I ignore them, but on say a shaper guardian map you will see every single one without going out of your way. They also seem to spawn their mobs faster this league. Also I wouldn't run the maps white, the quantity on them affects the drops as well. Running maven 10 ways is probably the worst way to run this strategy, running guardians and conquerors is way more rewarding. You can almost sustain invitations as it seems to be around a 1/5 maps drop to drop their own invitation. I am already killing bosses to fast, that I need to wait for maven to spawn the extras. You also get maven's writs every 8 maps with 5-6 per invitation instead of 1-2.

​@@Azsunesyep, I've done conq rush since Maven was added to the game... "best way to farm harbingers" Lol not even close. Harbinger outside Survivors Guilt is just a waste of time. I get full frac orb in 10-15 maps average.

@@Mageblood Sounds similar if I include the full frac orb drops. Shards drop in stacks of 1-7 and was probably averaging one every 15 maps. Didn't do exact math but every 4th invitation i had or was near another orb.

invitation to shaper/conq eat a lot of that profit from splinters so it's not a lot better

yeah this is the correct way to do it, its so much more profit per hour, as you are getting over half a mavens writ every set, and your shaper maps back (use the shaper sextant) you can also spec into wandering path for a higher chance at invitations to self sustain.

I am actually farming the formed with destructive play and deli mirror because my build is strong and the mirror barely slow me down and im making a a solid 8-10 divs an hours. So yeah i confirm it is really good.

Yeah I have been jumping from formed->elderslayers->(elder maps invitation, forgot the name). By the time I get back around I have more than enough shaper maps for another rotation. During elderslayers you can even horizon orb the maps to get maps that maven hasnt witnessed since you get the witness of the map boss and the conqueror.

This is not with exarch.

That's insane wow

Does that mean you can get harbinger boss loot from maven?

Could you explain a bit more please mate?

More shards from the bosses. Harvest sextant makes bosses drop shards and harbies drop more shards. So you run harbies, destructive play, and add as many harbies to your maps as you can

Not sure it's that op. Ran 200 maps and had 2.9 orbs drop (shards only), literally none cmae from bosses.

yep!

How does this work?

@@AGVenge I specced full into harbingers on the atlas, synthesis map drop chance, shaper/elder map drop chance, conquerer map drop chance, and into destructive play I used polished / gilded harbinger scarabs and the mysterious harbinger sextant which makes bosses drop harbinger shards (including destructive play bosses) and harbingers drop more shards. i spammed shaper maps and very rarely ran out, and when i did i ran conq or elder maps instead. whenever maven witnessed everything for an invitation i'd do it. i sold maven writs, a few awakened gems, and ancient orbs, annulment orbs, and fracturing orbs. your atlas strategy should have a couple more points left over to spec into other stuff if you want

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Yeah I feel like this test was a bit disingenuous since you get like 1-4 map bosses worth of loot every map, no reason not to *atleast* alch them. Good on empy to compare it 1:1 to altar boss rush but I think this shouldve had a bit more nuance.

yep, pretty sure the extra bosses lost tags that the normal map boss have that made them interact with more stuff.

I actually like Destructive Play a lot. Been farming it the past few days. Also running all Maven invites and Guardian maps, that I get (if I can have them witnessed). Made some really great profit with very little effort through out the last few days. My main profit comes from selling Mavens Writs and Guardians Fragments.

i am quite sure, i did destructive play at start of league and i got quite consistent stream of awakened gems after a couple of days drops stopped almost none, maps were still decent but as some1 mentioned i think they nerfed additional bosses to not have same tags for loot at least as main map boss

Identical sextants never stacks. He put multiple of them just to have 16 uses ready and not bother to put one every 4 map.

@@thorcall ah i thought they just get wasted, the more you know

I tried that node during another boss rush project and it didn't do anything. Most of the boss loot is "fixed" and isn't scaled by quant.

On an average how many influenced maps do you drop per map.

It had to do with elder maps and elder guardians

@@Empyriangaming ah rip