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Wouldn’t the Harry Potter example be third person limited? I’ve not read the book but, to me at least, the observation of the Dursley’s emotions are based solely on outwardly available information. As opposed to actually knowing how Harry feels inwardly. Thank you for the video!

I think i have an objection As educational as this video is, and as much as it has helped me, I feel harry porters example is controversial as it can also be an example of 3rd person limited The narrator said, “and if the dursley's were unhappy" this doesn't actually mean that they were unhappy, even if they were unhappy it was an assumption If not it should have been “and even as the dursley's were unhappy" But it was clear that he knew harry porters thoughts tho So i think it should be 3rd person limited as opposed to omniscient P.s The play might have made use of 3rd person omniscient, but this particular extract doesn't portray it well... I stand to be corrected tho

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Thank you for the video, it was insightful. I understand why you're saying that the Harry Potter paragraph is omniscient. However, can't the argument be made that the paragraph could also be interpreted as limited? The sentence, "And, if the Dursleys were unhappy to have him back for the holidays, it was nothing to how Harry felt" - can't this be seen as filtering through Harry's thoughts rather than objectively stating how the Dursleys certainly had felt? Much like the "forced enthusiasm" example, I think it's quite possible that the description is filtered through the point of view of the character as opposed to drawn from omniscience. This would have been my interpretation at least. I can see that particular sentence being used to communicate a bit of the character's irritation towards the Dursleys and the writing style borrowing the character's voice. Or am I completely wrong with this one?

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Greetings! How about facial expressions on non-main characters? Or actions. When someone makes a facial expression, or any action really, it's because they thought or felt something. So if it's third person limited, and the main character is Tommy, and the narrator states that a secondary or non-main character such as Sammy twitched, winced, their nose scrunched up / their nose scrunched up in disgust, eyes watered, they hesitated before continuing to speak, etc, would that make the story third person omniscient? I'm pretty sure I've read stories that are third person limited but other characters do react to the same situation as the main character differently, with facial expressions, clenched fists, loud voice, tears, etc. Aren't these descriptions, actions, thoughts, feelings, that let the reader know what that non-main character is thinking or feeling? I feel like I am missing something here. Help or clarification or examples would be so appreciated! Tommy is the main character who we follow. The early evening sun was setting behind Tommy and Sammy as they walked along the sidewalk home from school. On the other side of the road, along the sidewalk parallel to them, the new girl who Tommy had seen at school was walking. Tommy dropped to his shoes and pretended tying. Sammy rolled his eyes. While the thought or feeling may not be exactly stated we get some of Sammy's reaction. Something made him roll his eyes. If it were a longer passage, we might know exactly why he roled his eyes, because he's been witnessing Tommy do silly things like this all day. Or what if Sammy scowled? I'm confused when side characters are displaying and revealing actions. Is it only when the main character notices? Tommy caught Sammy rolling his eyes. Sammy's scowl hit Tommy like a spike. Basically are facial expressions, body actions, strengths of voice, tears, laughter, yawning, etc, the thoughts and feelings of non-main characters that once mentioned / narrated, make the story omniscient instead of limited? In the practice 3 part, one of the sentences says: then Roy's Father poked his head and said, with forced enthusiasm: "And don't forget Disney world." wouldn't the narrator telling us that Roy's father was enthusiastic make it so that we know what he was feeling, sensing, thinking, etc? or at least his mood would be revealed, and therefore feeling? And since it says it was forced enthusiasm, he must have been attempting to force it, giving us more insight into his character at that moment. Are tones of voice and sarcasm and choosing to be quiet, staring, etc, disorienting the reader and plunging us out of the main character's experience and into omniscient? So confused! Your videos are helping me learn and I appreciate it very much! I think I understand about the silent thoughts and feelings you mentioned, is this the rule go by? What if the mother had smiled after speaking, or the dad clenched his fists in anger. Are smiling and clenching fists reveals that should be omitted from non-main characters if you want to keep the story third person limited? I'm not sure where the line from limited to omniscient gets crossed - especially in descriptions when secondary characters have facial expressions and reactions and bodily actions, (especially ones that reveal how the secondary character is probably feeling or thinking: nervous, tired, angry, etc). Do we only show the main character witnessing these facial expressions, reactions and bodily actions, in third person limited, that way while the secondary characters may be displaying thoughts and emotions, it's only interpreted, witnessed, experienced through he main character? We just see things that the mom and dad did and said, not silent thoughts and feelings but what if the narrator describes HOW they did or said something (angrily, through wet eyes, smiling, etc), then does that push third person limited into omniscient, since we are getting a sense of what the secondary characters might be thinking or feeling? Thank you!

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Ma'am first off, thanks a bunch and hats off to you for beneficial and impactful video, this contains certainly useful knowledge with reference to Third Person POV. Thank you very much, but i'm curious to know that how does narrator know the silent thoughts of his character?

I thought that the whole thing of "seemed", "felt", "looked", was just a case of filtering and using filter words. I didn't think that it was because of another point of view. I was told many times that I should refrain from using filter words so that I could connect more to the character and that it just distances us from the character.

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Thank you for the videos, I am learning from them. There is one thing, however... In practice one, you state that we know the narration is in 3rd person omniscient because we know that the narrator knows what everyone is feeling. What I am confused about is that the sentence reads "IF the Dursleys were unhappy..." Isn't the mere fact that "if" is used show us that he doesn't know all the feelings?

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“He rushed beyond the barrier and called to her to follow. He was shouted at to go on but he still called to her. she set her white face to him, passive, like a helpless animal. Her eyes gave him no sign of love or farewell or recognition.” would you please give me your opinion about those sentences? are those limited or omniscient?

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If you write and know what multiple characters are thinking, but only one at a time in different chapters. Is that limited or is it still considered omniscient? Is Choosing to narrate specific characters still omniscient? Also is it bad writing if someone decides not to be consistent between them both, or is it just a matter of what the narrator chooses to let the reader know that he knows? For example if the word “seemed” is used in a omniscient narrative. Would mean its inconsistent within the point of view? I would just like some advice from someone experienced. This confuses me at times.

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I understood everything. And I understand why the second and third stories were from "Third Person Limited" perspective. But, I just wanted to know, is it possible that: A. The narrator did not mention thoughts of other people, because they were not having any thoughts or feelings in that moment? B. The narrator did not mention the thoughts and feelings of others because that was not important to convey the story? If any of the above possibilities are true, does the narrator becomes "Third Person Omniscient"? How can we be sure of what the case is? Thank you.

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can someone tell me if this is Third person L or Third Person O: Harry didn't know anything about the wizard prison, though everyone he'd ever heard speak of it did so in the same fearful tone. Hagrid, the Hogwarts gamekeeper, had spent two months there only last year. Harry wouldn't soon forget the look of terror on Hagrid's face when he had been told where he was going, and Hagrid was one of the bravest people Harry knew.

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For the first example (Harry Potter), the narrator said "IF they were unhappy". This doesn't imply that they were in fact unhappy. Doesn't this mean that the narrator does not know what they were thinking and as a result is subjective (at least in this scene)?

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and said, with somewhat forced enthousiasm: " and don't forget Disney World". Is the narrator knows the character's thought here? " forced enthousiasm"?

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What if the narrator is both first-person and third-person? For example *I* was walking down the street and that's when I notice *her* *she* was the most beautiful woman ever seen