*I just had a bad time, so YOU'RE going to have a bad time as well! Why? Because I SAY SO!* ~Gee, what a great game!~

ah, fuck it, battle royale time

@@ENCHANTMEN_ Pokémon mystery dungeon battle royale

Has it ever happened to anyone by accident?

@@startheangel9760 it’s probably happened to a decent amount of people, but they would have to be very unlucky

this """fix""" made me laugh... yeah. sure. fixed 😂😂😂

Perhaps not, but Mt. Steel one room monster house absolutely exists, and you should be scared.

People are still using that dead meme?

@@liamwhite3522 I steamroll over the monster houses

What do you mean dead meme what is even considered a dead meme

Monster Houses don't start appearing until Uproar Forest.

@@CesarTorres61296 The video implies that monster houses will show up in the Silver Trench one-room generation regardless of monster house probability

Tbf that would make for an amazing clip, and let's be real, you would have had to reset the Mt Steel anyway knowing how the dungeon generally goes in runs.

@@icecreamsamwich WAIT WHAT. Oh, that's...not good. I suppose RTDX changed this so that Monster Houses only start appearing once Uproar Forest is unlocked.

@@CesarTorres61296 11:09 They're talking about the failsafe in the video. Not when monster houses will naturally start spawning in dungeons. However DX did remove the one-room monster houses that did naturally spawn in silver trench

YEssssssssssssssssssssssss I wondered how they generated the dungeons so nicely for so long, even tried writing my own routines to emulate it, thanks for this video! And your take at the beginning isn't controversial in the slightest everyone who played those agrees they're superior to the mainline games don't @ me

Yoooo! I didn't know you were an MD fan! I've been following you for ages! Idk if you are aware of the advancements in the ROM hacking scene, but it'd be amazing if you wanted to join our group! Having someone as skilled as you around would be super helpful! :D

Yes please and thank you! PMD has needed some real low level examination all this time, glad to see it finally get the attention the series deserves!

I also like the mystery dungeon games more than the mainline games. This is a very welcome change.

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

So true!

To this day, I cannot listen to "Don't ever forget" without crying.

@@Metalocif true, I think the only one sadder than that is the partner theme from the fourth game, but then again I haven’t played the second one in years

Yes. I love explorers.

Another MD preferer over the main series... That might be the fact that my first Pokemon game was PMD Blue rescue team. XD

if you're taking the time to watch the entire video, it definitely isn't to you!

Oh, definitely; the Mystery dungeon series is far higher quality

@@marz8386 agreed, specifically in the writing departement. like when do you actually cries playing a main series pokemon game, only real man cries playing PMD

Mystery Dungeon on Switch is the first Pokemon game I've bought since FireRed/LeafGreen. I have to agree.

A more controversial one would be saying that i prefer Gen 1 over the others.... Me.

yeah, but the line or plus arrangement wont fail either-- even with nonstandard rng deviations the lack of dummy rooms means that there's always a strong connection

It's probably a leftover from testing, if you get 10 invalid attempts, you're doing it wrong kind of thing

I wonder if you could brute force through the rng to see what combination of inputs would cause that...

well, not entirely. the problem with getting into extremely tiny values of RNG like this is that there are a limited number of RNG states the game can be in, and "every floor is a monster house room" is probably rare enough that *no* values of RNG exist that can cause it.

Thankfully, some of the algorithms can't generate disconnected maps, so they could only be screwed over so much (still though).

It's not the same, but I got 2 Monster Houses in a row in Lugia's dungeon. I'm glad I had a Charizard with Heat Wave to save my bottom.

I played Red Rescue Team like 300 hours and it never happened to me.

True.

I have no experience with them but I gotta say the music here gives me a fuckin headache who decided to make a song where every instrument is an off tune whistling noise

@@ENCHANTMEN_ idk blame the gba. The Blue Rescue Team versions sound much better.

Except for Pokemon Emerald, totally agree. I prefer much more the Mystery Dungeon series.

Since Shiren was the first MD game, I would be really surprised if the engine wasn’t similar - even between PMD DS & Shiren DS.

@@endymallorn Shiren was actually the second, the first was a Dragon Quest spinoff about Torneko from Dragon Quest 4, strangely we only got the second Torneko game in North America, on PS1. Shiren DS is a remake of the first Shiren game for SNES, but there's also a few other DS ones, the only other DS one to get localized was Shiren 5, which only got localized when it was ported to Switch/PC, which is the second time that one was updated and rereleased. But yeah there are some artifacts from the Shiren games in the DS PMD games, I commented about this in one of the other vids, but the PMD exclusive moves Wide Slash and Vacuum Slash are from the Shiren games, down to the animations, and the behavior of being able to pick up money by dashing on it and swapping is actually a real dev-intended mechanic from the Shiren games, just purposeless in PMD. In Shiren you can throw money to do fixed damage, or pot shenanigans. A lot of the items also have equivalents to some capacity that share animations, such as most PMD seeds/berries corresponding to Shiren grasses/herbs, and most PMD orbs corresponding to Shiren scrolls. Most of the held items are also renamed but shared between games. Despite that, the games feel quite different to play, and most Shiren games usually have a bunch of unique mechanics or new spins on mechanics. Such as Night Mode in the later games, and surprisingly deep and interesting crafting mechanics involving using enemies as living cauldrons. The Shiren games are overall harder but encourage very creative item abuse, in true roguelike tradition. Similar to Nethack, it's entirely possible to just, get out of any situation with the right items on hand.

It's 909-1 right now!

Who would do such a thing

@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa The consistency is still going how insane

When I played this game when I was a kid, I learned that a lot of wonder tiles = moster house, as you, now I know the reason

Yeah! Every single normal algorithm seems so familiar, especially those late-in-the-story dungeons like the one you mentioned. This truly makes a lot of sense.

Dungeon generation can still fail in Explorers, though usually not because of the connectedness test iirc. It's a lot rarer as a result, and doesn't feature Monster Houses (at least in dungeons that don't naturally have them, like Apple Woods), but it can still happen. Another wrinkle that wasn't brought up here: if generation fails on a mission target floor, the mission is unclearable because none of the mission-related mon spawn.

@@mandl2710 Had that happen as a kid, had to deliver an item to an Elekid. I wandered around til the wind killed me, there was no Elekid.

i laughed but i'm not happy about it

I thought you had to lose all your progress upon dying in a roguelike...am I missing something?

@@yosoyysoyyo Not all genres follow a strict set of rules it meets more than a few that you find in most other roguelikes. Besides, it was directly inspired by rogue in the first place

at a guess the "strongly connected" check only ensures that all the big rooms are connected and throws out dummy rooms if they're invalid? since on maps that are like 80% dummy rooms it could increase the generation time by like 5× if all dummy rooms had to be connected

I asked the same question and I found the answer when I started to attempt recreating the dungeon generation algorithm, so here's the explanation, copy-pasted from my own comment : "Turns out every floor in a dungeon has a 'connectivity' value that tells the game how many connections it should generate on that specific floor. This leaves some rooms unconnected, and every dummy 1x1 room left unconnected will be deleted in the step immediately following path creation (this is what happens around 9:40 and 10:05, the deleted 1x1 rooms were actually left unconnected because the floor's connectivity value was not high enough for the game to reach them, thus why they end up getting deleted after all paths are created) Explorers of Sky actually improved on this system by using this step to attempt connecting unconnected rooms to adjacent connected rooms, saving a lot of the maps that would be candidates for yeet in BRT/RRT, however unconnected 1x1 dummy rooms still get deleted the same way." @@samario7935 In a way you were kinda right, the game only checks for unconnected big rooms and doesn't look at unconnected 1x1 dummy rooms, but that's because they all get deleted before the 'room verification' step-

LOL. I didn’t know there were randomizers for these games, also I’m pretty sure the pmd2 uses a lot of data from pmd1

Pokémon AI has some randomness, like deciding whether to turn at a junction, choosing which room exit to go to after entering a room, and choosing which move to use. If you're interested, about a month ago I made a video on how partner/enemy AI works.