There's a spot in the Obsidian Fieldlands that you can Skyrim up the wall with Wyrdeer, which allows you the earliest access to Togekiss possible.

I think they have a rule that Decidueye is never allowed to be unique in any game he appears in. He has to share the Ghost/Grass niche with Dhelmise in his opening games, and then here in Legends Arceus he has to share the Grass/Fighting role with Hisuian Liligant. And arguably he gets beaten in both roles.

I can't believe they literally went that far out of their way to ensure that Regigigas still sucks. The Regigigas hate is truly unfair lmao

Okay. I need to make one massive correction to make. Blissey is good. Really good. Stupid good. Survived multiple distortion without needing a potion good. Literally soloed both forms of Giratina without items good. Thanks to the lack of EVs and odd stat scaling, Blisseys Special Attack isn’t bad either. Also, it’s low speed is actually not awful. The time it takes for status effects to wear off is based on your own turns, not your opponents, so it’s Calm Mind lasts forever relative to your opponent. With a moveset of Tri Attack, Softboiled, Calm Mind, and Shadow Ball, Blissey was by far my best team member.

8:12 You should have seen the look on my face when a lvl 4 Drifloon survived an Energy Ball from my lvl 70 Roserade. That's when your point here really sunk in for me.

Pokemon go into "Speed Tiers" based on their Speed stat. The Speed Tier determines the Pokemon's Action Speed "countdown." The game then ticks down all Pokemons' countdowns until one hits 0. That Pokemon gets a turn, then its countdown resets. If two Pokemon would get a turn simultaneously (which is highly likely if you're appropriately leveled), the faster Pokemon goes first. Using an Agile move will either artificially reduce your next move's countdown, or add a "penalty" to the opponent's countdown. Using a Strong move will do the opposite. Moves that were priority moves or speed-boosting moves in the main games now cut your next move's countdown. Moves that were flinch moves or cut the opponent's Speed stat now give your opponent a penalty. Also, stat-boosting moves cut your next move's cooldown as well. If you're using fast "sweeper" Pokemon and always going first anyway, then Agile Style will feel like it never does anything, while Strong always makes you lose a turn. But if you go second, or stack Agile Style with a priority/flinch/speed-altering move on an already-fast Pokemon, you're fairly likely to get to move twice.

“Paras is out for blood. Little did it know the blood would be spilled is it’s own” - man I live for your soundbites. Gold standard

Gotta love the starters; Samurott, Typhlosion and Lilligant. Great trio. Anyways, regularly I tend to defend Avalugg (at least in competitive) for reasons that don’t really apply to this video, but I won’t defend the Hisuian form. The few things it had are all gone with that rock type. Look how they massacred my boy…

i love how the useful tier has more negative space in terms of the artwork, which implies that the pokemon in it are skinnier/spindlier, which itself suggests a greater speed stat... which matches up perfectly with your criteria

I'm still disappointed that my boy Regigigas still gets its disability. Someone at GF must really despise Regigigas.

Sneasler has already become my all time favorite Pokémon. It’s Bad Bitch energy

I do find it funny how a fair amount of this aged poorly in just 1 update

What really pisses me off about Decidueye’s treatment by GF since Sun and Moon was just; Why is it so slow!?!! It’s an agile archer owl Pokémon - all things screaming high speed stat, but no. And then when there was a glimmer of hope with its Hisuian form, THEY MADE HIM SLOWER! What do they have against my boy!? 😭😭

Good god that Avalugg. Does GF seriously not know how bad that combo is? Like they do terrible type combos this often enough that it can't be an accident.

Something that makes Alakazam and co. a lot better this time around is that trade evos just evolve with an item now. Just link cable is all you need to get Gengar, Machamp, Golem, etc. This makes it where you don’t need someone else to trade with you to unlock very powerful Pokémon.

Something that I noticed is that agile style doesn't raise your action speed. It lowers your opponent's. This makes it absolutely worthless in multi-battles because you are actively making your offensive opportunity significantly worse to make one opponent move later one time. Meanwhile the other 4 pokemon are just gonna 4 make you faint before your next turn anyway, so why bother. However, on faster pokemon with priority it can be downright stupid in single battles. In the final battle my underleveled hisuian zoroark got like 5 turns in a row between shadow sneak, agile style, and kos.

At first I thought you were using the models from sword and shield on the list, then I noticed it was you blurring them to avoid spoiling the end list I noticed because they look better blurred than they do in Sword and shield

I think sneasler is also super good for catching since it’s probably the most effective false swipe user in the game, plus crush claw has a decent chance of inflicting status

Honestly, if they made H-Avalugg's speed lower and Sp Def higher, it probably would be better than normal Avalugg in Doubles. Better Trick Room speed, weakness to Bulldoze for Weakness Policy memes, stab Stone Edge/Rock Slide, Mountain Gale's usable, make it less paper specially, etc.

Regarding agile style: infernape can do ridiculous amounts of damage by spamming agile mach punch and normal mach punch and then when you run out of guaranteed extra turns, go in for the kill with close combat

I caught a shiny kricketune in my first 2 hours of playing the game and the grit system allowed it to be at least semi-useful for the entire game, I think it was actually the one to kill giratina with night slash. I also use the shiny mantyke I caught from the coastlands the rest of the game and it ended up being pretty useful too. That's why I love grit because it allows you to actually use Pokemon that aren't that good normally

Good list, and great PREMIUM edit. I've heard a lot of people argue that the Legends Arceus is universally better then then the mainline games, and I think those people aren't a big fan of the combat in pokemon since I found Legends Arceus's combat to be a big step down in everything but speed. Either way I hope they clear up a lot of the issues with the system in a hypothetical sequel to Legends Arceus. Maybe they could give slow bulky pokemon a reason to exist, since as is they're just miserable.

I was going to ignore this game, but I loved platinum so much. To see my Gen 4 staples such as Gallade, Roserade and Staraptor so high on the tier list makes me wanna play.

There is one useful case for using Pokémon to catch things: Distortions. Try throwing globs and/or using Smoke Bombs to sneak without getting ganked and KOed by some Eevee you couldn’t see. It’s just safer to battle.

I think the two Basculegion forms are closer than you give them credit for, due to movepool. It has *no* physical Ghost moves, so you almost have to be some kind of mixed attacker to use both STABs, and Shadow Ball has higher base power and no recoil in comparison to Wave Crash, and 100 accuracy in comparison to Aqua Tail (it's "average power" is higher; 85 power and 90 accuracy mean you average 76.5). It's Ice and Psychic coverage options are both better off of special as well; Ice Beam is stronger than Ice Fang and Psychic, once again, has 100 accuracy to Zen Headbutt's 90. (Crunch is worthless because Dark and Ghost have basically the same coverage, and STAB makes Shadow Ball still stronger on male Basculegion). Aqua Jet is physical of course, which does favor male. Taking move power times attacking stat for a mix of moves, assuming Wave Crash + Shadow Ball + coverage: Female is like 95% as strong with Shadow Ball as male is with Wave Crash (and again, no recoil), they're respective strongest moves, due to the higher base power. Female is stronger with Ice Beam than male is with Ice Fang (male is weaker with Ice Beam than with Ice Fang) The 'total' of move power x attack/special attack x STAB for both STAB moves plus ice coverage is actually higher for female, and it's even more favorable if you also take your Psychic coverage move. tl;dr male Basculegion is 5% stronger when using your strongest STAB move (male Wave Crash is 5% stronger than female Shadow Ball), while female Basculegion is ~10% stronger with it's Ice coverage move and ~8% stronger with it's weaker STAB move (female Wave Crash is 8% stronger than male Shadow Ball). So yeah, I think they're equally 'good', female just trades a small amount of power when spamming one STAB for much better "average" power when using your other STAB *and* Ice coverage. I think the later situations will come up enough that the better 'average' power is desirable, or at minimum makes the two a tossup. I think female can oneshot *more* stuff due to better 'average' coverage (between dual STABs and Ice Beam) than male can.

To defend rapidash, hypnosis is sooooo useful and it has decent attack / spec attack that It actually gets the moveset to use. It gets good coverage with poison jab, high horse power, iron head, and wild charge. I used the free shiny on my main team bc it looks cool but it was surprisingly good throughout the game

What's this? Slow things get doubled? We're really PokeEmblem now.

This game made me love crobat. The good attack stat and the speed is just too useful in Arceus, plus it gets a little bit of sustain with leech life, for what that's worth. The only bad part is that air slash is its best flying stab, which is mediocre because 70 SpA. But you can pump it full of rocks to mitigate that anyway so eh.

Hisuian Lilligant is my top favorite Pokémon, tied with Garbodor, and I am so happy with how strong it is. Even though it was resisted by the Giratina fight at the end, mine still managed to take it on due to just how strong it is. Really hope it’ll be available in some way in Scarlet/Violet.

Love all your tier list! Any chance at doing Gen 6,7,8? (Just the new additions from each) Possibly ORAS and Let’s Go if you feeling spicy! Keep up the good work.

Jolteon gets shadow ball, hyper beam and a speedy calm mind lmao

hisuian lilligant was sort of my ace on my team when it came to combat, and even solo'd you-know-who's garchomp, since despite a fairly meh defensive type, it was so fast that it often had 3 moves back to back, and had access to recover and status moves, making it nigh unkillable unless it was OHKO'd. without it (and heavy use of the EV items to prevent having to grind 10 extra levels on every team member), I likely would not have finished the postgame. probably one of my favorite regional forms because of that. (For the record my team was Typhlosion, Walrein, Gardevoir, Lilligant, Magnezone, and Overqwil. The team was selected before playing the game because I wanted a mix of old and new pokemon, and all of them were pokemon I've never used on a team before. It's probably my favorite playthrough team I've had in any game.)

Lilligant finally getting some goddamn respect. Thanks for the video, finally watched it after finishing PLA myself! Also, please please please can we have a skit of some kind with Obamasnow? Maybe appearing alongside Gumshoos...

As someone who used a Hisuian Braviary, it’s Esper Wing/Air Slash combo means it’ll almost always hit at least two times, often times even hitting three or four times.

Just because something’s slow doesn’t mean it’s not useful. Goodra, Snorlax and Golem carried me through most of the game because they’re so tanky and get so many good coverage moves. Because attacks are so buffed in this game, having a tanky pokémon is just as important as having a speedy glass cannon.

The only negative to H-Typhlosion is that it renders every other fire and ghost type in the game redundant to catch, which is actually a positive for it so #winning

All the grass/fighting types lately... PokemonDevs really love that combination

Well said about my fav EEVEE form Umbreon. However, he does help during the Giratina battle

1:36:15 It's called Lumineon, Phinneon is it's pre-evolution and yeah it has no saving grace both LA and in mainline games. It doesn't even learn any real moves in the main games, at least they gave it hydro pump in LA :^)

Cheese: "Scyther's one of the earliest pokemon with a 500 base stat total" Every single Eeveelution sitting there with 525 BST: "Am I a joke to you?" Like, Umbreon and Vaporeon have an unfortunate focus, Glaceon is Ice type (but is just Special Scizor in offense and speed), but Jolteon is a 525 BST pokemon with 110 base SpAtk, 130 base speed that's available from the very beginning of the game and he just getting some mad disrespect. Could also make cases for Leafeon and Flareon, but at least Jolteon should join his brothers Sylveon and Espeon.

My wife is really into PoGo and finally got me to comment asking Cheese for a PoGo mechanics breakdown.

Flareon was on my team throughout this game. It’s high attack stat made it pretty useful but it also gets power swap where it could swap it’s special defense and defense for its attacking stats and that would turn it into a physical tank+ good special attacker. Takes 1 turn of setup.

Say what you want about Blissey, but mine had over 800 HP and singlehandedly beat Giratina with just Draining Kiss, which basically makes it the new devil.

Bite implies flinch explains lower turn speed. Instead of the chance for flinching it just slows you down, it makes sense even though it’s not explained

Ice Rock is a disgusting type combo.

Arceus is the strongest, not because of Judgement, not by being all the types, but by the sheer fact it saw what Volo was doing and rather than deal with it himself-sent you…and then you do it.

your right that the current way to pronounce arceus in english is "arc ee is" but the original cannon english pronunciation would be (doing it the "friendly" way) "RC is" as that is how it was in the first movie arceus was in as well as a few other movies after to my knowledge but only around when the official pokedex "app" for the 3ds came out was it officially changed to "arc ee is"

This was the first game that I actually completed the pokedex on official hardware. I definitely leant into this one and played "as intended" i.e. like a filthy casual. It's really fun and fixed a lot of the heartbreak X and Sun gave me. Edit: also, i never played BW or B2W2 so using Samurott was fun!

Vaporeon was actually so good in my playthrough, because while it is kinda slow, in battles where the thing was going to be fast anyways, it takes hits like a hoss and can do good damage, even though water pulse kinda sucks

3 Grass types in the top tier? Does this mean grass type supremacy!!? Oh I’m sorry what? Oh they would be better if they weren’t grass type ok that makes sense 😭

going back and watching this a couple years later and confused. luxray: 70 base speed, 120 base attack, best stab move has recoil, gets crunch and t-wave jolteon: 130 base speed, 110 base sp.atk, best stab move is t-bolt, gets shadow ball and calm mind is the difference in ranking down to acquisition difficulty? Am I overlooking something? EDIT: raichu: 110 base speed, 90 base atk/spatk, best stab move is t-bolt, gets play rough and t-wave, also requires a thunderstone jolteon is definitely at least useful for combat if we're including raichu as useful for catching imo

Ya ursaluna is not surprising how good it is. It’s got the same base stat total as urshifu but better attack and defenses. One of if not the only Pokémon that actually makes up for its low speed in this game.

If only I was there to give you my opinions in _real time,_ but alas, I was not, so I'm just gonna have to give them after the fact. I think you forgot that Alakazam gets hypnosis because it should be way higher. It has a super fast hypnosis, great offensive power with a pretty wide movepool, and calm mind is an option too if you care about wasting a turn to boost stats. Easily one of the best Pokemon in the game, especially because you can catch such a high level alpha super early on. If you've been taking your time getting research points, you can grab this thing pretty early and have it absolutely destroy the rest of the game for you while having great capture utility with hypnosis. I'd honestly consider placing it as _the_ most useful Pokemon in the game with how great it is in pretty much every situation, the fact that you can get the alpha so early, and that even if you are slacking with research points, it still has great availability as Kadabra. -Also, Togekiss gets thunder wave, so it should probably be higher up on useful in my opinion.- Oop, you're right, I'm dumb

1:20:34 I managed to get a Porygon, an Upgrade and a Dubious Disk all from my first rift. I felt so lucky.... until I remembered that Porygon Z gets oneshotted by almost everything... which is particularly problematic considering how the turn system works in this game

Electivire was my MVP for Legends Arceus. This game made me appreciate it more and hope it gets a buff in the next gen

As terrible as ice and rock are together, I would love to see a very fast ice/rock type with technician and both ice shard and accelrock or no guard with icicle crash and stone edge. Defensively, this is absolutely one of the worst types but pretty strong offensively. Just look at weavile and terrakion. It certainly wouldn’t be top tier but I like how GF takes mediocre things and makes them great with a little things like having quiver dance or a strong ability

After you get Gyarados this game goes full easy mode.

The BOULDER!! 💪🏾💪🏾 remember catching the alpha Graveler early game and it gettin absolutely WRECKED by the alpha Rapidash because it’s sooooo slow

I used a Luminion in my playthrough, it was my most used team member, even more so than my starter Typhlosion.

One of my old game dev collaborators called Arceus Horsey-Ass, which is an extremely funny and based pronunciation.

It's never going to stop making me laugh that everybody says "Obama-snow" even though it's "Aboma" snow, as in Abominable Snowman. The joke is just too easy and so much more enjoyable than the actual name.

I wonder what cheeses opinion on arcues is. As someone who doesn't really care about competitive, it was a very refreshing diversion, but not really anything compared to the best od the main games.

I tried Sylveon on my team knowing about the Giratina fight. I ended up dropping it and being underwhelmed because it’s awful movepool this game

i beat Volo with an Eevee and an alpha Whiscash on my team. Take that, Satan.

I got a shiny Alpha Gallade from the Snowpoint Temple. I've been using it ever since.

Espeon is still a gigachad in competitive singles. Magic bounce+350 speed+359 sp atk is insane on psyspam teams. Especially with terrain+expanding force. Niche for sure, but my god is it secretly strong AF.

Before seeing any placements the ones that ended strongest for me were Gliscor and Blissey. With Blissey I soloed both the secret final boss and Dialga and Palkia in the 2V1 at the end of the battle tower. my move set was call mind draining kiss Ice Beam recover.

"I'm assuming you're a filthy casual who's actually trying to have fun!" And since this is Legends: Arceus... you're actually right, because I actually can! Hallelujah!

I wasn’t a fan of Samurotts design so I never evolved my Dewott, and I played the game so much on the first day that I had a dewott fighting Kleavor. I had a full level 100 team including my dewott and two random shinies (Dwayne the golem and JayZ the staraptor which I caught flying around) before avalug. Giratina didn’t stand a chance

If Ursaluna gets Slack Off in the main games, absolute GigaChad.

I honestly really love what Legends: Arceus did with the combat. It took out the arbitrarily "complicated" stuff layered on top that rarely mattered for ingame playthroughs anyway, and instead made the core combat system _itself_ a bit more involved and interesting. I mean, that's the philosophy of the whole game, if you think about it! Weed out nonsense, make systems more involved and interesting. ... Now watch Game Freak abandon all of it for gen 9. _Watch._

mehsprit asself oopsie

we need a kalos & alola in game tier list

You should make a tier list for those that want to beat Arceus on the Eternal Battle Reverie. Is kind of a cool challenge. I managed to beat it some weeks ago. (Spoiler alert: Liligant is still best pokemon.)

Wait; Pokemon take more damage from attacks when they have the “drowsy” status??

smh imagine struggling to find cherrum when you can be like me and get an outbreak of cherubi as one of the first to appear and get like 12 of em B)

36:35 I believe it gets access to Grass Whistle which is 55% accurate... That isn't exactly helping it

I found Blissey to be useful against Arceus. Took a little less than half from boosted super effect judgements.

That’s how they said it in the movies arceus

Would giving the Eeveelutions a dual Normal-type with their current types help them out in any way (either in this game or in the mainline games)? Normal ain't a great type but I can't think of anything else that'd fit for improving their typings.

Chansey good for catching. She refuses to die

something odd here. There is no Charizard on the list. Is this really a Game Freak Game? Typhlosion looks like it smoked lots of grass types. Literally. Kinda odd seeing Raichu above Jolteon. What is the reason? Doesn't Jolteon get T-Wave anymore? Lilligant being a CHAD in in-game as always. That Regigigas attack animation looked like it throws dirt or something smelly at its opponent.

rocks are always my favorite, even though they're often getting ranked pretty badly... and poor avalug. cheers to your mom liking geodude! :D

great obama impression

This list just proves how fundamentally flawed the battle system is in legends, like it was an interesting idea in theory, but they completely botched the execution. This honestly just screams rushed development, they spent the majority of their dev time on the catching mechanics and very little time on anything else.

14:00 what is going on with the timer here?? Those are NOT seconds right?? Am i crazy

usum, bdsp: kricketune gets sing by level up legends: gf removes sing from kricketune me: bruh edit 1: I am actually a Finneon and Lumineon fan, like, I am not kidding. If you guys don't know, there is something called PokeMMO, which is basically advanced difficulty of every pokemon games up to gen 5. My Jetwing the Lumineon is my MVP throughout my Platinum run in MMO. It even nearly one shot Cynthia's Garchomp and KO it with non-stab Ice Beam, which says things because Garchomp is decently bulky. Also with just 69 SpA and one shot bulky boss mon is underrated for Lumie. But yeah, I do wish that Lumineon and especially Finneon is stronger in one of its attacking stats, that is generally better, Lumie's (referring to Lumineon) stats are spreads out too thin. Pretty wish it had the buffs from Renegade Platinum (Higher speed, SpA and Hurricane TM). One shot things can be easier with a good attacking stat for significantly weaker neutral moves. edit 2: yeah bruh, you just said it yourself, 80 speed is not even not that bad on Mamoswine. Yeah, well Lumineon has 91 speed bro. (Note: sorry, I got very defensive in the original comment with Lumineon, bcuz it is my favorite evolution line on par with Torterra, and that says things bcuz Torterra is a starter.)

Me, with my finneon and Lumineon Desk Buddy Plushes at 1:36:00 : =( (But fair. Theyre just like. The most Fish Pokemon Fish Pokemon to ever Fish Pokemon. I wish they became water/fairy or something to at least have something?)

Ok this wasn't a horrid tier list but there were some... MASSIVE issues with certain mons. first off, jolteon has the same speed as crobat. while it lacks t wave, it gets quick attack and actually is so fast you can endlessly loop things w/ quick attack. you can also use calm mind with your absurd speed and still attack quite often, which can help him serve the coup de grace w/ a boosted thunderbolt after. Now jolteon DOES have dogshit physical attack but attacking stats aren't AS important in this game as most of your actual damage comes from level vs the actual stat. now espeon can more or less do the same deal as it hits the same speed tier to pull it off long as you got a +speed nature on it. even leafeon could i believe do the same thing. While umbreon isn't as good as it could be, it isn't horrid and w/ calm mind can be very bulky to the point it will take the hits well. due to the aforementioned quirk of attack being less valuable in this game, calm mind blissey also has the same thing but absurd hp. now you'll ofc take a lot from physical moves still, but I think blissey and umbreon are being rather undersold. flareon isn't so hot and neither is glaceon but i feel vaporeon could pull things off similarly to umbreon and due to the whole "offensive stats aren't as important to actual damage" deal, aqua tail and dark pulse on them isn't the worst thing in the world. in fact dark pulse reduces a foe's speed so umbreon isn't AS slow as it'd appear since you can debuff the foe's speed w/ dark pulse effectively. porygon z is amazing but i can understand the placement less for its power (thing has amazing moves, gets t wave, gets recover, has awesome stats overall) but more for how annoying it is to actually GET one in game but it's an excellent pokemon. Now I'm sure you're wondering... "why would recover help?" well... if you hit a mon in the back but instead of attacking recover you can heal on the field and porygon has the attack to kill said random mon next turn before it goes so it gets free heals. you can do a similar tactic w/ rest on some bulky pokemon so they won't eat your supplies as much at all between battles too! Theres a lot of tactics you can use to make pokemon good though. but give some of those mons a chance they're actually pretty good if used right!

Ran into Cherrim multiple times in Eterna Forest. Cherubi is more common, but it does pop up. I’ve also only found those Cherrims at night.

I saw a clip of a gastradon that could not die

Is RKS System still RKS System in the Japanese versions? if its RCS System in Japanese thatd be pretty funny

This battle style is the one thing about this game i really hate

What do you think about pokemon scarlet and violet?

Wait you considered base 95 speed for Leafeon, as slow?!

Why is Trash Cloak the best? Also I didnt play Arceus, and non of them is gooood, but Sand has at least Ground and Rock moves who do damage by the merrit of hitting a lot effective. I sould have mentioned it in my Gen 4 Post but, what makes Golduck worse then Floazel? They have both very similar Stats, and aviability, just one is physical the other is special.

... did the game get some sorta update _post_ this video? Some of what you say here feels _really off._

I’m kinda salty they didn’t add a hisuian shedinja that has a hilariously high HP stat…

Mewmore music ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Heeeeey you get a free shiny in pokyta too. That has to be worth some points