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Pokemon TCG Power Creep 1999-2021
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Күн бұрынIn this video I dive into the history of power creep in the pokemon trading card game from the classics in base set and jungle to the newest cards in 2020 from the Sword & Shield sets and even to the future cards that have been revealed for 2021.
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0:00 HISTORY OF POWER CR
0:41 SOURCES / CREDITS
2:05 WHAT IS POWER CREEP
2:46 POWER CREEP IN PTCG
4:18 YEARS & LEGAL SETS
5:43 2000-2001
7:31 EARLY EX ERA 2003-2004
8:44 2004 WORLDS LISTS
10:21 2005 Worlds Standings
10:57 2010 Worlds Standings
12:18 2013 Worlds Standings
13:21 World Championships 2017
14:16 DEC 2020 ONLINE EVENT
14:34 2020 TOP DECKS
15:01 ESTIMATED POWER BY YEAR
16:02 ESTIMATED HP BY YEAR
19:04 ESTIMATED DAMAGE BY YEAR
21:01 BASIC MULTI-PRIZE POKEMON
22:49 MECHANICS OVER TIME
25:15 TRANSITION FROM BIG BASICS TO EVOLUTIONS
26:14 CURRENT STATE OF GAME
27:01 ON THE HORIZON
@idontthink 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the GX era (pre-TagTeam). I think it was the most fun and balanced era of the PTCG.
@4real51 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed..... The gx machanic is so good and skillful
@dimitriskontoleon6787 3 жыл бұрын
And yes gx Era was creasy good even if many players still cry power cript again I left to the game And early stage on tag team is cool the first season.
@maxm9898 3 жыл бұрын
Yesssss that’s when I was into it professionally. The good old days before Logan Paul and the collector squad made everything cost so much. I think pokemon was nice when it wasn’t as popular as it is today
@4real51 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxm9898 isn't everything lol
@maxm9898 3 жыл бұрын
@@4real51 haha yeah
@Emporkommling 2 жыл бұрын
The insane thing is there’s no reason for power creep in Pokémon. The format rotates, so it’s not like current cards have to compete with older ones. Cards could reverse power creep, get weaker, and as soon as the strong cards rotated everyone would be forced to play the new ones.
@CeliosNetwork 2 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@bradybourgeois9819 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's a bit strange. They've actually done this specifically with some trainers over the years. Something like fan of waves vs enhanced hammer and judge vs N. I think the problem is that they want to have Pokemon in the newer sets that tend to be slightly better than ones in older sets in the same standard pool of sets, so even if stuff rotates the power floor trends up because the cards get better from set to set. I wish they didn't do this, but it kinda makes sense from a business perspective. They always wanna be selling the new hotness
@connorism69 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Damage creep just seems like a really lazy and unimaginative way to create hype. Reminds me a lot of monetary inflation, lol.
@Jaco3920 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is that not everyone plays standard and the rotation that comes with it. If new cards started getting much weaker, formats like expanded would become essentially stagnant (why use new weaker cards when you can whip out VMAX's?). They could just wipe the board and start a new expanded that starts with the newer sets, but I'm sure that would anger a ton of people.
@Chiffonaise Жыл бұрын
You to have to keep in mind that Pokémon is a Japanese TCG, and in the home country, they did series (block)+ formats instead of rotation for decades. This means that the "big shake up" only occurred every couple of years instead of annually, meaning formats were likely to stagnate for longer periods of time, and thus a stronger incentive to power creep. TPCi honored WOTC's rotating Modified (now Standard) format since they took over western organized play. However Japan did their own thing for a long time, and likely designed the game primarily with their local constructed format rules in mind. Japan had their first annual-style rotation in late 2019 with regulation mark A (equivalent to SUM~CVI, Ultra Prism-on). Though since home rotations are now a thing, I wonder if they've taken steps to mitigate the power creep now. Like an internal design guideline for power leveling Basic, Stage 1, Stage 2 single prize vs. multi prize. tbh I wouldn't be surprised if power creep continues to be a factor. Pokémon Standard is still very big since cards are legal for about 1 year longer on average compared to...say, the MTG model, which means that newly released Pokémon sets are always less consequential than new MTG sets to their respective Standard formats.
@coledavidson5630 Жыл бұрын
What sucks is that the power creep for the big cards (V, VMAX, GX, EX) is huge, but for the regular cards there's very little power creep. So it becomes less and less viable to use regular cards in decks even if they have good abilities or effects
@coledavidson5630 Жыл бұрын
Like, sadly most of those support evolutions mentioned are not even worth using bc V, VMAX, and VSTAR are just so powerful, the opportunity cost is too high
@piens51 Жыл бұрын
@@coledavidson5630 yeah they just dont even pretend that evolution single prze support is worth anything.
@tylercranston7226 Жыл бұрын
Gym leader challenge format came about more or less because of this
@MartinV1 Жыл бұрын
That's not true imo, for exemple look at drifloon, it can deal 300+ damage with gardevoir ex and brave charm. I think such a powerful basic 1 prize would be impossible 10 years ago
@coledavidson5630 Жыл бұрын
@@MartinV1 that's way too conditional to really be powerful
@macke9215 3 жыл бұрын
Power creep was a fairly gradual rise until tag teams. Cards rotated before getting obsolete because of power creep. Tag teams literally have more HP than a stage 2 GX. Man, 230-250 used to be impressive...
@emberpowertcg7692 3 жыл бұрын
imagine when s+m golduck good two shot anything almost without choice band? 120 now wouldn't even be a 3 shot in a lot of cases
@matthewkuscienko4616 3 жыл бұрын
@@emberpowertcg7692 Actually, 120 will 3 shot anything in the game right now, considering that the highest HP anything has is 340. The only time what you said applies is when something like big charm or a damage reducing item/ability is involved
@emberpowertcg7692 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewkuscienko4616 yeah true, i should have written for a 2 shot
@andrewmartniez402 2 жыл бұрын
@@emberpowertcg7692 you could make the argument that 3 shot is way to slow nowadays. Most decks attempt to one shot 3 times to win a game
@emberpowertcg7692 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewmartniez402 yeah 3hkos are too slow
@ringss_ Жыл бұрын
Man, I miss the days where massive HP pools were reserved for Wailord
@eloyjaimes9562 2 жыл бұрын
I played as a kid with base, fossil sets. Started back up around 2011 when my oldest son wanted to play. It was the beginning of the Black and White sets. Which was fun. Now in 2021 started playing with my youngest and ohhhhh my the game has changed a lot. Between vmaxs, rapidstrike, fusion strike and soon to bring back the lost zone. I have a lot of relearning to do.
@CeliosNetwork 2 жыл бұрын
I love hearing about this!! Let me know if you have any questions I can help with
@runegate6390 3 жыл бұрын
I always say this, I hope in gen 9 they just do a hard reset and tone it down to the numbers(or at least balancing)from the ex and DP eras.
@joshmo7333 3 жыл бұрын
I wish they could but until rotation, no one would care and people would just use the previous generation cards but after rotation I think it would be good
@footballworld2796 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshmo7333 this is the exact reason they won't, though I wish they would
@otto2853 Жыл бұрын
@@joshmo7333 can't they pull a "Base Set 3" or smth and just rotate early so there's only one set at first
@KururuJi Жыл бұрын
@@otto2853 That would kill a lot of peoples collections and the resale value. This happened in Japan between GSC and ADV and... basically killed the hype.
@kotoriitsuka4418 Жыл бұрын
this shit aged like wine lmfao, they’re returning ex cards
@ZachPowers1996 2 жыл бұрын
For me, the 2008-2010 segment was the best. There were still tons of decks roaming around that had multiple stage 2 lines and multiple support evolution lines in them. The format had god tier draw support and consistency cards as well. I think the worst part of the format was the likelihood of getting donked which really sucked since tournaments were best of one at that time I believe.
@CeliosNetwork 2 жыл бұрын
I strongly agree. I played DP-AR for hours today, it’s my favorite format of all time.
@maxmcintyre2980 Жыл бұрын
Shoutout to Level Xs!
@Redvox57 3 жыл бұрын
I used to heavily play the card game online when I graduated high school and created a unique deck based around salamance that only had salamance in the deck. The idea was to reshuffle abunch to get a starter card, then the opponent would always take all the extra starting cards and turn one I'd have a Wally a double dragon energy and turn 2 have a salamance that used the 20x the amount of cards your opponent had which of course since they'd still have a whole hand full of cards from me reshuffling would instantly wipe their deck
@Redvox57 3 жыл бұрын
That was my counter to ex and gx cards lmao. And if they didnt have many cars in their hand then the 3rd move would deal alot of damage
@bootleg6595 Жыл бұрын
That's hilarious! I play the online game too and I use the charizard theme deck w nidoking and queen
@joepepsi 9 ай бұрын
do you still have the decklist?
@Redvox57 9 ай бұрын
@@joepepsi I'll have to check around to see. I remember rare candy, wally, trash compactor, energy retrieval/professors letter, and the healing scarf were the big important cards. The salamence was from roaring skies, and then I just picked the best bagon/shielgon cards that were available
@Redvox57 9 ай бұрын
@@joepepsi * 2 Bagon ROS 54 * 2 Bagon ROS 55 * 4 Shelgon ROS 56 * 4 Salamence ROS 57 * 4 Professor's Letter XY 123 * 4 Wally ROS 94 * 2 Lysandre FLF 90 * 2 Revive ROS 88 * 4 Energy Retrieval PRC 126 * 4 Evosoda XY 116 * 2 Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear PHF 92 * 4 Healing Scarf ROS 84 * 3 Pokémon Center Lady FLF 93 * 2 Max Revive XY 120 * 1 VS Seeker PHF 109 * 6 Water Energy Energy 3 * 4 Double Dragon Energy ROS 97 * 6 Fire Energy Energy 2
@talonitex6441 3 жыл бұрын
TPCI hier this man when you put it in a graph it easier to see the huge spike in power creep I can’t believe how much the HP has increased for multiple price Pokemon compared to single price Pokemon
@dredgendorchadas6770 2 жыл бұрын
I used to play in the playground with no evolution, no energy, no supporter limit. Unsurprisingly there was one kid who's mommy bought all the strong cards for and he blew us out. I've grown to love the evolution mechanic and wish stage 2s like nidoking, queen, Aron (stage 2), and others would get more love as stage 2s
@jackscales7434 3 жыл бұрын
I want to return to an era without gx, ex, or v Pokémon, and only have evolutions or basics, with more unique abilities and strategies that aren’t just attach energys hit for 230 etc. I think it would be a nice change, and something we really haven’t experienced in years.
@ericlee650 2 жыл бұрын
They should make a single prize gamemode. Would be dope
@otto2853 Жыл бұрын
@Luka Kelly the thing I don't like about it is I can't put multiple let's say Larvitars in one deck - while the singleton is great I'd love to put some from different sets
@Clavitz1 10 ай бұрын
aaaand they kept it going but at least no more vstar/max i think overall non special pokemon do need an hp buff, especially those like Snorlax
@rever6612 Жыл бұрын
We can say that your reading of the situation in 26:00 is great and accurate. The adition of VSTARs moved to meta to VSTARs vs VMax, both 1 stage evolutions. Now, with the Scarlet and Violet sets, they will probably bring back a meta more similar to the GX era, in which multiprizers evolve from normal pokemon instead of from multiprizers.
@monte_2000 Жыл бұрын
Seeing this now after 2 years it’s crazy how you got exactly right in terms of evolution for the game. ex are back, and now was back to evolution dual prize Pokémon. VSTARs even provided a sort of power creep with slightly less HP, but arguably better attacks and abilities while also being only worth 2 prizes.
@ungulatemanalpha 3 жыл бұрын
I think the basic issue is that the Pokemon TCG keeps putting consistency cards that favor big basics (Professor's Research and Quick Ball being the best examples) in formats where big basics are already the best threats. Running a Stage 2 deck is a lot more palatable in a format where the best draw supporter is Cynthia, the best Pokemon search is Comms, and shuffling dead cards away doesn't come at the cost of playing a worse supporter than the decks who get to discard their hand to draw 7 and don't care about losing any of the pieces in it. The part where basic Pokemon contribute to this consistency in the form of cards like Shaymin-EX, Dedenne-GX, and Crobat V just exacerbates the problem. When decks have to run Stage 1 engines like Octillery or Zebstrika to draw cards, they can't just run their basic attacking line, 4 Quick Balls, and then slap in more draw power that their Quick Balls can find.
@connorism69 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a small promotional set made with vintage damage and HP parameters, as a gesture for all of the fans who dropped off due to all of the damage/HP creep and the other changes that occurred.
@hunterthorne4671 2 жыл бұрын
I played competitively during the GX era because i liked the mechanics of GX as opposed to EX. Once they released the tag team pokemon they did exactly what I didn't like about the EX era, having basic pokemon be the norm, and Vmax seems to have almost broken the game... I was planning on getting back into the game, but it looks like the format is more broken now than it was when i left The format seemed so healthy with sun and moon I'm not sure why they reverted back to what it seems like a lot of players didnt like about the tcg.
@CeliosNetwork 2 жыл бұрын
As this video was made about a year ago, I am glad to say design is getting better. GX was the best mechanic of the last decade or so and they have effectively made the next best thing with V Stars! My newest video features Leafeon V Star if you would like to check it out. V Stars have me quite hopeful for the competitive environment of pokemon TCG.
@TrianglePants Жыл бұрын
Because TPC dgaf, and never have.
@Maximum432 Жыл бұрын
These super-rare (and super-expensive) EX or GX or whatever cards overshadow everything else to the point that other cards are only used to passively support from the bench through Pokemon Power. It's completely alien to me at this point. My nostalgia for this game has been dashed against the rocks. At least Konami still makes singleplayer YuGiOh! games.
@Redvox57 3 жыл бұрын
I played alot during 2015-2017 and then started to get back into it in 2019, but the amount of health and damage new cards do made me just stick to theme decks for online
@GameurBlais Жыл бұрын
2010 was peak for me! Legends pieces are just so cool and fun
@AshenHawk96 Жыл бұрын
Thumbnail's personally on point. Considering that old Blastoise EX was my first deck and that Mewtwo EX was spoiled right when I stopped playing, curious to see how crazy it's gotten.
@baldmc9262 3 жыл бұрын
remember when pikarom used to actually have hp lol
@KokuroSame Жыл бұрын
I like how they are starting to undercreep this with ex cards in scarvi. So far no three prizers and aside from basics, Pokémon have to evolve. I think the decks will become more fun to play again.
@bryanbare5577 3 жыл бұрын
I was there for the making of the thumbnail. Good video Mr. Network!
@user-xv8lm8lt8j 3 жыл бұрын
I love the comprehensive breakdowns from your content. It's nice to see a by the numbers approach in Pokémon tcg content
@CeliosNetwork 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@zacharyavrutis6589 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like alot of work went into this. Great job!
@imjody 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative, man! Thank you for this. Wonder how long it'll be until we see 500 HP Pokemon cards. 😳 V-Union will probably bring us over 400 HP.
@leviwilliams9511 3 жыл бұрын
In addition to being huge basics with high consistency that take up little deck space, it annoys me that the most relevant Tag-Teams reward committing all your resources to a single card. Usually that would come with the drawback of having an empty board when that Pokemon is knocked out, but since ADP and PikaRom's attacks flood your board with energy straight out of the deck while also dealing high damage, there's essentially no drawback to focusing all your early resources on a single card. I think the speed of energy acceleration is another aspect of power creep that's spiked recently with cards like ADP, PikaRom, Welder, Zacian, and Tapu Koko Prism Star.
@dimitriskontoleon6787 3 жыл бұрын
We Had huge energy acc even before tag teams Malamar blastoise why not dragonite fire with blacksmith kiuway, even now we have energy exaltation on ability from water Pokémons and soon from grass But acc 3 energy whatever you want from deck while the attack also OHKO any single prise Pokémon and on ADP many gx Pokémons OK well is op.
@leviwilliams9511 3 жыл бұрын
@@dimitriskontoleon6787 It's true that there's always been big energy acceleration, I mean Blastoise has been rain dancing all the way since base set, but what I think has been subject to power creep is not so much the amount of energy acceleration, but the speed. All the Pokemon you mentioned were evolutions, which are inherently slow and inconsistent, and even with the two supporters, Blacksmith wasn't consistently online until late game, and Kiawe was only really a powerful option first turn, since it ended your turn immediately. Compare that to the cards I mentioned, which are all fast, consistent basics or turn one quick acceleration, and I think there is quite a difference. Take even Frosmoth and the new Cherrim for example, they can accelerate tons of energy starting turn two or three, but if PikaRom's already tag bolting or ADP's already ultimate raying, it's kinda too late. Anyway, I don't really think energy accel is at the forefront of power creep, I was just kind of mentioning it as an afterthought on top of my usual complaining about the design of Tag-Teams.
@MagnaDrake 3 жыл бұрын
@@leviwilliams9511 Agree. The problem lies in that Pikarom and ADP deals decent damage, enough to two shot other Tag Teams and VMaxes, sometimes one shotting squishy 2-prizers, while at the same time ramping many energy to the board. Usually when we see attacks that accelerate energy to the board, it either deals little to no damage whatsoever, or deal enough damage but doesnt ramp that much, never both until Pikarom showed up. Solgaleo-GX's Turbo Strike is a bit of an outlier, but it was on a Stage 2 2-prizer that itself need a whole lot of resources to set up.
@TheWarlordShogun 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the biggest issue with a lot of the cards now-a-days is the big damage attacks or massive hp doesn't come with any sort of drawbacks. Like in the old days, basically all the "abilities" couldn't be used if they were affected by a special condition. I feel like the game could be more balanced if attacks that had massive damage came with a massive drawback. Not just "This pokemon cannot attack on the next turn" because that just gets negated with switching out. If they wanted to make that effect a true detriment, then it also needs have a line of text that says "This pokemon also cannot retreat by detaching energy or by an effect of a Trainer card on your next turn." I felt like Tag Teams could be balanced if their hp was no different than a regular gx pokemon (around 210-250 at most for cards like MagiLord). Zacian V could have been more balanced if Intrepid Sword made you discard all cards that weren't metal energy rather than just "draw 3 with a potential for energy acceleration as well". Brave Blade could also be more like the games and only do 230 against VMAX and maybe just 160 regularly. Then, Zacian doesn't even 1 shot Dedenne (cause of resistance) and has to have Altered Creation to be able to 1 shot 2 prizers. TLDR: The power creep can be dialed back if more serious detriments were added to abilities, HP, or attacks. The reason power creep is so out-of-control is because there are no serious drawbacks to the increases in power level.
@NOLOAF-AR 3 жыл бұрын
i agree so much with ur sentiments. it is rlly stupid that stellar wish jirachi can use stellar wish even when (asleep) :/
@dimitriskontoleon6787 3 жыл бұрын
OK this Pokémon cannot attack next turn, or you cannot use this attack next turn was a minor negative anyway. (just cut 10 or 20 damage and not even need this effect) Discard energy was huge draw back. But gains a lot more attack boost from normal Again how many hp/price give up have the new cards? 110.(stage one and 90 from tag team) single price Pokémon had 130... The problem is that when a single price Pokémon attacked lose all cards. So from single price need cheap attacks with ok damaged (120 from one energy or 160 from 2 is fine even if stage one).or even better huge combo attacks (90 damage x special effect) this was massive 300 damage. Not bad from single price attacker. And why not see tones single price Pokémon now? Adp kills them all. The rest cards is really balanced to my eyes.
@NameAvailable 3 жыл бұрын
So basically tag-teams broke the balance and then VMAX was created to make evolution a necessary part of the game again. Now they just need to make single prize Pokémon more viable and things will start looking good again
@riggsvsoliver 2 жыл бұрын
Year later, and were slowly making single prizers more usable compared to v vmax (and now) vstar is the new issue
@SlimFactorMusic 3 жыл бұрын
I play competitively since 2000 and it was a lot of fun to remember old card and decks, it was a very interesting video!
@olivergro7105 Жыл бұрын
Hey I don't play TCG and this was very interesting! Thx for the video :) Also, when you have complicated graphs then it's useful to highlight the line you are talking about atm. Highlighting the important one, shadowing the other ones or putting them away for a moment.
@PM-James Жыл бұрын
I think a possible solution to this would be to make their power conditional. For example, we introduce a new 2 prize pokemon called Sequence Pokemon or S Pokemon for short. Every S Pokemon can be played as basic but there around the same strength as a stage 2 typically is. Still 2 prize cards, has the rule box, all that. However, you also have the option to complete their sequence. You do that by playing Charizard S on a stage 2 Charizard. If you do there's a sequence complete rule box that says they get a HP and attack boost based on the number of cards under them (or in the sequence). Like Mewtwo S would have only 1, so it get +30 HP and +20 to all attacks, whereas Charizard S would have 3, so it get +90 HP and +60 to all attacks, something like that. You could also bring in stuff like Mega Mewtwo S, which could add to the sequence or let you upgrade directly from Mewtwo S instead, that kind of thing. Regardless though, they also get to use their S Power, which is their strongest attack or best ability. If you play a Pokemon S as a basic, it doesn't get any of that but you get to play essentially a stage 2 as a basic Pokemon. So you either get a good Pokemon quickly or wait a bit to get a great one. Also could effect whether you want to play stuff like Rare Candy too (no Charmeleon so only Charmander and Charizard are in the sequence now). I think that decision making would help a lot with the meta myself and make for some interesting strategies.
@nightsider2705 Жыл бұрын
I mostly enjoyed the later XY era. I haven't played the game as much as many others but I can clearly say my fav deck I've ever played was Volcanion EX and era itself felt really great to me.
@piens51 Жыл бұрын
Intrested in pre gen 5 tcg? I know a place that alows you to play automated ptcg simulator with older cards made by fans. Good place to play old gens. (ex gen 3 block honsetly is the best deck diversity wise)
@nightsider2705 Жыл бұрын
@@piens51 idk. More interested in other TCGs in general and in case of Pokémon I'm also more interest to be able to replay the format I played back then, rather than another one.
@BarKeegan 3 жыл бұрын
Power creep in the art too. Seriously though, other card games need to take note
@tejjac5609 Жыл бұрын
I remember back in 2006-2007 when 150hp was a lot.
@docxy7331 Жыл бұрын
We'll soon hit a point where the shadow lugia card gets power crept
@gushernandez25 Жыл бұрын
The problem with Pokemon TCG is that it should focus more on typing than straight up raw power. If hope terralizing deals really good changes in the future.
@emberpowertcg7692 3 жыл бұрын
Although i wasnt there to use them, i would love a return of three attacks on one or just ancient traits
@NOLOAF-AR 3 жыл бұрын
do pokémon not release with three attacks anymore? or even two attacks with an ability?
@emberpowertcg7692 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOLOAF-AR theirs been one or two with 3 attacks but all really bad and not nearly as interesting. i feel like Pokemon tried to appeal to a wider community of younger audiences by printing big flashy centerpieces and gimmicks, such as tag teams and vmax, over creative substance and thought (though i will admit, the early sets of s+m were really good, plenty of gx with roughly ex hp and nothing terribly broken.it all really changed with tag teams)
@zzeroara9511 3 жыл бұрын
@@NOLOAF-AR they're super rare now and when they do come out they're super lame. the last 3 attack card was during sun and moon and it was literally doo-doo. sadly, the meta for card attacks are a low-energy small attack that might have a small bit of support or utility to them, and having a second attack with 3-5 energy cost that often does good damage or mediocre damage with a decent additional bonus.
@phoenixfire7127 2 жыл бұрын
Looking at this after the release of VStars, what do you think the state of the game will go from there? Are we toning it down back to stage 1 and multiprizers that don't one shot each other, or are we still heading upwards in an unstoppable cascade of power level?
@machaljd3400 3 жыл бұрын
Me when looking at one of the graphs: Whaaat? There were multi prize stage 2 Pokémon cars?! Sounds awesome btw :)
@brunoreis4455 Жыл бұрын
Another thing that annoys me deeply is how we have cards like alolan ninetales that is "imune against ex and gx damage" and balance out the game because forces the oponent to not relly too much on big damagers, but than a new set comes and than the game is like "Doesnt matter if V didn't existed back than, if it doesnt say V you're taking the hit" Like yo just make some cards that is completly imune to any promo card (V,Vmax,GX,EX whatever) so it gives counters and avoif promo card spamming
@danielpayne1597 Ай бұрын
"This Pokemon cannot be dealt damage by Pokemon with Ruleboxes." FIXED. Git gud, Creatures.
@isaacunderhill9120 Жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up with Pokémon this is super nostalgic and informative to watch, thank you.
@CeliosNetwork Жыл бұрын
Happy to share this with the world. This is my favorite video I've ever made so it warms my heart when viewers like yourself enjoy it!
@edelplays 2 жыл бұрын
TAG Team Pokémon was the real problem of power creep in a long time, big basics with huge amount of HP and crazy attacks. They were first kinda obligated to make Vmaxes more bulkier than TAG Team otherwise no one would use them (therefore no one would buy their new products) Now, a year later from the release of this video, we can see that TPCI made VStar Pokémon to tone it down the power creep that TAG Team made of: Evolution 2 prizers Pokémon with lesser HP than Vmaxes. When Vmaxes are gone from rotation (2 years from now) and all we have left are VStar, that's where the game can se it's Golden Age of Modern TCG again.
@byzantine5761 Жыл бұрын
I’m new to this channel and WOW your formatting for literally everything is amazing with immediately starting out the contents of the video and sources, where you usually have to badger a creator just to give a source
@coreydopson2030 Жыл бұрын
The first 3 minutes of this video feels like the beginning to a high school presentation. Not a dig at you just an observation. I loved the video
@sabbagecavage5690 Жыл бұрын
Personally the saddest part of the power creep for me is the fact that stage 2 pokemon are simply not viable anymore, certainly as attackers, because the speed of games has increased so much that you can win a game in 3-4 turns. I loved what they did with the original GX pokemon and how you had to evolve them, and I personally think the main problem with tag teams is that they act as (ironically) one-pokemon shows, with cards like pikarom being able to accelerate energy and deal damage all on a pokemon with very high hp (for the time). Shadow rider calyrex, despite being a stage one, also seems like a one pokemon show, being able to accelerate energy really quickly to pair with a powerful attack, and act as the only required draw engine all while having HP that is so high they can comfortably sit on your bench and support. Attacking pokemon should have to be supported, and big attackers should stay as big attackers, not big support pokemon as well.
@Bionicleforever Жыл бұрын
thankfully they are reintroducing ex cards which evolve just like ex rs. So stage 2s will make a comeback.
@justsomekirbowithoutamusta1852 Жыл бұрын
@@Bionicleforever But they're powercreeping hard, again, the game will be more fun but Expanded will stay hell
@piens51 Жыл бұрын
@@Bionicleforever yeah here's hoping. Tought I dread another mid gen tag team kind of deal. Like gen 7 was not ideal but it sure was fun before tag teams put their fat asses down.
@Donohuebro2 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite 2017 decks are the Greninja Break and Alolan Ninetales GX and garbodor gx!
@RainyNightGX 3 жыл бұрын
I am really glad that I played within the Golden Age of Modern PTCG. I went to hiatus after the release of Tag Team GXs and when I came back, dang this game is broken.
@colorific360 3 жыл бұрын
Really good explanation. Im making a Cube and balancing have been a nightmare, but in my investigation I've seen that I tent to pick attackers from the 2004-2011 and supporters from 2008-2011/2016-2018 many great abilities. Its awesome to see a graphic of all that information (hp/damage). Thanks! (I hope thay go down in hp and damage so single price evo can be great again. Morr opcion yo win!)
@dimitriskontoleon6787 3 жыл бұрын
Single price Pokémon is still good (some of them at least) Baned ADP format change a lot.
@justsomekirbowithoutamusta1852 Жыл бұрын
Single prizere still work for a cube and you can ask people to calc up/down the HP of some cards to balance them out, so you can still enjoy playing with the older/newer cards, though it is annoying to track them but well-made proxies with different HP/dmg can do
@MrPikawika4444 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed playing during the mega XY era, probably my favorite
@GahmConrad 3 жыл бұрын
Mine too
@falixlevrai Жыл бұрын
Mine too
@falixlevrai Жыл бұрын
Gx era is not bad but the tag team are the worst gimmick ever
@bradybourgeois9819 2 жыл бұрын
Good video to come back to though it seems like we have a little longer to wait for another sum era. V stars feel much more like megas and hopefully will be a bridge to a better meat. This was an insightful look at past formats, and I think you presented the info in a fairly unbiased way. Great job!
@CeliosNetwork 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is honestly one of my favorite videos I’ve ever made so I’m always happy when people find it and enjoy it!
@arkknight92 2 жыл бұрын
Yea I just got into Pokémon after not playing for so many years and man these new cards are powerful! The original charizard cost so much but would get killed so easily nowadays! Makes you wonder why it’s so much even though it’s so collectible. In mtg a black lotus came from the original set and would still be an amazing upgrade to any deck today. But good luck getting one. Cost as much as charizard psa10 lol
@ratdoto2148 Жыл бұрын
The reason power creep exists is the same reason VGC is doubles, it's for faster matches. It's better for making tournaments run smoothly. This is even more obvious because they seem to be dialing it back a little bit recently, as if they have found the sweet spot they want.
@Penterror Жыл бұрын
Celio was right with the return of ex cards and a lot of them being evolutions
@richardsamson8306 3 жыл бұрын
Good analysis to the power creep Luke!
@machaljd3400 3 жыл бұрын
Great and very infotmative video, I really enjoyed watching it.
@jm505 Жыл бұрын
I think part of why the pre-TT GX era was so good was that there were numerous single prize cards that specifically countered GX cards. I’m optimistic that we’ll see more cards that target “rule box” Pokémon Will encourage variety and provide balance more consistently Into the future.
@bloodytyran9245 Жыл бұрын
I feel less bad for quitting the game just at the start of tag team
@MothFable Жыл бұрын
In my mind it all went downhill the moment we got sword and shield cards. Now if you don’t have several v max or v or whatever cards in your deck you can’t compete.
@ailemoonstream7505 Жыл бұрын
and then vstars removed the vmax and added really good abilities. Now they can keep lowering it going into the next series with terrastilization.
@blastchaos4286 Жыл бұрын
26:12 Watching this for the first time in 2023 and wow, it turned out to be 100% correct
@NOLOAF-AR 3 жыл бұрын
they gotta bring back ex’s bruh 😂
@zzeroara9511 3 жыл бұрын
Vs are based around VMAXes. there for sure aren't going to be dynamaxing in the next gen. i think they aren't going to just use another random letter after gen 8, so this all together makes me think they might go backs to EXes.
@hijjak97 Жыл бұрын
Prophets, the both of you
@zzeroara9511 3 жыл бұрын
They need to revert to Basics being support, and Stage 2s being really good and stage 1s being helpful and mediocre. Somehow, they were dumb enough to revert it to having basics being good and stage 1 and 2 cards being downright shit to meh. This is a very unhealthy meta. We are rewarded for being dumb simpletons using basics and punished with shit cards by using evolutions.
@matthewkuscienko4616 3 жыл бұрын
What you said is why I have taken to referring to tag teams as big stupid basics. For a basic Pokemon to have that kind of power really makes evolving Pokemon invalid; it's actually why I think that the new Hydreigon is not good: it has the ability to accelerate darkness energy, which is nice, but it would be much better on a basic Pokemon than a stage 2, of all possible things
@FranciscoJG Жыл бұрын
The decrease in HP on 2000-2001 was a feature limited to Dark Pokémon only, and many of them had an increased damage potential (compared to non-Dark Pokémon) instead of the game-changing Pokémon Powers. Light Pokémon were the opposite with slightly higher HP but lower damage in general (but usually more utility). Sadly the power creep destroyed that fun concept when Dark Pokémon were back in Team Rocket Returns.
@charlesgamble4670 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the video!
@alfredoplascencia6067 Жыл бұрын
I remember how as a young age, I used to buy these fake Pokémon cards with hundreds for HP like 100-500. Like a magikarp would have 120 and legendary would be 500 maybe
@Connorcady0803 Жыл бұрын
Hey good video and information, small tip though, it seems like you created a powerpoint slideshow to present then did the script. things like "and here we've just got examples of... etc" sounds like you're standing in front of a boardroom or classroom presenting a powerpoint rather than an involved polished youtube video. small tip, just sounds like a presentation that you're recording sound to while you watch the video yourself or a powerpoint presentation
@CeliosNetwork Жыл бұрын
Thank you. This was an un-edited, unpolished video by design, as at this time in my channel I did not have the resources for scripting, editing, extra takes, etc so I did everything mostly in one take, off the cuff and powerpoint style. My channel currently features scripted videos more frequently.
@Santanilla 8 ай бұрын
Would love an update for the this topic in the last 2 years
@CeliosNetwork 8 ай бұрын
Its in the works :)
@Santanilla 8 ай бұрын
@@CeliosNetwork I am a just entering this hobby because I’ve just got the classic set and i am trying to collect the 151 set, your videos have been of great help for me to understand the game and its history, my only experience with the game was with the GBC game which I loved and I beat twice when I was a kid but never tried the physical game back then. Today I am an avid boardgame player and collector and the 151 set just threw me back to nostalgia lane. Thanks for sharing these videos.
@lvnjsspdh Жыл бұрын
It’s funny how charizard decks in each gen had advantage an againts the mechanics of each, like example tag team era given a charizard who self get 2 energies per turn from the deck by getting two counters alike mix with the 1 per turn and additional to blender gets 5 and for his attack deals 280 to a tag team alike takes it down and even if that charizard was defeat will do it again the next one.
@davidvagner2803 Жыл бұрын
Great video i love the effort you put in it. Very valuable !
@eduardydearaujo9457 3 жыл бұрын
100 hp on base set is very intuitive, the player can think like 100%. Pokemon's hp will be intuitive again when reach a 1000 hp base.
@KnightShade227 Жыл бұрын
I grew up w wailord ex at 200 hp being the craziest and most powerful card. weird now pulling 250-300+ hp cards.
@29396 Жыл бұрын
going into the new ex/SV era how do you feel that they’ve handled rotation? judging by the video i think they’re slowly undoing the super strong tag team gx era by having the stronger mons being vstars or ex evos, but curious to hear your thoughts!
@Mithoskrasnej Жыл бұрын
Hello, the Dark Gengrar and Feraligatr cards are from a set that came after Gold/Silver. Dark Vileplume card is correct.
@SkyFWWO 6 ай бұрын
I miss playing my slowpoke & psyduck deck so badly 😢 now I have to just discard grants and eggs in expanded for the damage plus some supporters, not as fun as it used to be anymore. I still remember my first deck which was gardevoir & sylveon gx that I had a mimikyu to copy stuff and sylvoir one hit ko-ing adps. That deck is long gone now since reset stamp got banned (i wasnt using it to make the opponent unplayable)
@zukrad634 3 жыл бұрын
23:16 Don't disrespect the Grotle fan community, there are dozens of us!! Real talk tho, I really enjoyed this video and I wish I was an active player during the gen 3 tcg era As a question, if I wanted to print some proxies to play decks from 2004-2009, which ones would you recommend? Is it even reasonable to put decks from early ruby and sapphire against late hgss, or is the power difference and deck speed too skewed for the latter ones and it is better to just make pokemon decks fight other decks from the same gen/format?
@CeliosNetwork 3 жыл бұрын
I highly suggest trying the 2004, 2006, and 2007 formats. Check out PTCGArchive.com for all of that. As well as the EX-All or RS-PK format.
@zukrad634 3 жыл бұрын
@@CeliosNetwork Thanks a lot! I was using only decks from the World Championship Decks (which I wish they would print old ones again for recreational purposes) so my selection was kind of limited
@WoodstarForges 2 жыл бұрын
I really hope Gen 9 goes back toward EX style cards (with evolution though not as basics)
@williamfeng9808 Жыл бұрын
This comment aged well
@WoodstarForges Жыл бұрын
@@williamfeng9808 is this what happened? I stopped following/collecting lol
@williamfeng9808 Жыл бұрын
@@WoodstarForges yep we are getting ex cards that work the same as gx cards. If you don’t believe it search up
@WoodstarForges Жыл бұрын
@@williamfeng9808 I searched they look awesome, might actually start collecting again when they release lol
@chazhartwayne6493 Жыл бұрын
8:56 OMG I used to play that deck back in the day! Loved it so much! 11:07 Was always fun to play against Yasmin with and against that Gyarados deck!
@ryank2465 3 жыл бұрын
this game is just ridiculous now, i'm getting insanely frustrated with it. all i want is to play stage 2/evolution decks and not be forced to play 6799992929 HP pokemon that do 2727388282 damage
@CeliosNetwork 3 жыл бұрын
You're preaching to the choir buddy. I'm just making the best of it for now.
@darrenwang5089 3 жыл бұрын
then go play theme lol
@ryank2465 3 жыл бұрын
@@darrenwang5089 theme is boring
@drew8235 Жыл бұрын
I dunno what's more ridiculous over time, the power creep or the art style and card frames.
@superdonavanbrosgaming6206 3 жыл бұрын
Ngl thought best way to deal with that for me is to use cards that can destroy with 3 damage counters on a Pokemon. Good thing I play Magic the Gathering now. PTCG just looks like a permanent eldrazi winter
@kyhellbillyify 2 жыл бұрын
I think with the new Vstars they are taking steps to reel it back in some.
@CeliosNetwork 2 жыл бұрын
yes!
@user-kt4vn8le5p Жыл бұрын
I remember I used to have a Wailord EX card with 250HP. It was my pride and treasure. Now most GX and VMax cards outstrip that
@Shinx7009 Жыл бұрын
I disagree with this video. In Pokemon there is not power creep, but power spikes. This happens whenever they add multiple prize pokemon. First with basic EX in 2012~ then with tag team and VMAX. Do I like the more prize pokemon? Idk but it's not a creep what most people complain about it's the spikrs
@HongFeiBai Жыл бұрын
"We need a Pokemon revolution. All the power is going to the top 1%. Coupled with rising inflation and income disparities, the average Pokemon collectors can't compete with the millionaire and billionaire card collectors." - Professor Bernie "Oak" Sanders
@WyrmLimion Жыл бұрын
New Pokemon TCG player here. As someone with few cards, and very few EX/GX Basics, I found myself getting snowballed by everyone when I played games at the stores. I guess thats just Meta, but I couldn't help but look at my cards and feel they are all underpowered and I need to do what everyone else is doing and fill it with EX/GX. Bit disheartened really as I really like the evolution aspects.
@Zaverick32 Жыл бұрын
Here's hoping the Scarlet and Violet era with ex coming back balances the game again
@deana6072 Жыл бұрын
Can't believe in 2007 most people were out the door with the card game. I don't blame pokemon everyone at the time was trying to copy the same theme formula.
@blackrosed8068 Жыл бұрын
BW Next Destinies was the set that changed the game forever. It brought back EXs and that multi-trade payoff for high hp basic has remained ever since.
@stizic 3 жыл бұрын
I think pokemon in the current state is the most relaxing tcg experience currently available.
@user-bi6cw7wb7l 6 ай бұрын
Is this the only pokemon media where Zacian is not extremely broken? At least one exception exists i guess
@Philiquaz 5 ай бұрын
I'm sorry man, ADP+Zacian was so bad people stopped playing.
@Bos_Meong 3 жыл бұрын
10 years later pokemon will have 1000hp
@KulotskiPlayground 2 жыл бұрын
and the 2000s fake lugia card with 1000 damage can now be used legally
@nestorgasparini5177 2 жыл бұрын
I miss Gold/Silver and Ruby/Sapphire era :(
@Penguig 2 жыл бұрын
When they broke the 300hp barrier I think that's when I stopped playing competitively
@jr1jr2jr3 3 жыл бұрын
I just started playing a couple months ago. If I wanted to get a feel for what it was like in 2017 what would the best 2/3 decks to make up proxies of to play around with?
@CeliosNetwork 3 жыл бұрын
For PRC-GRI I would try Drampa Garbodor, Zoroark Drampa, and Decidueye-GX Alolan Ninetales-GX. You can find them all on the limitlesstcg.com 2017 NAIC listing!
@kanopusfox Жыл бұрын
what a perfect research job! congrats for the video!
@JusticeWllBSrvd 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is an older video but V-Stars are coming out soon and they definitely listen and made the right decision on bring down the HP.
@yogolotsatono8866 2 жыл бұрын
i think pokemon thought making them 3 prizes would be a good check and it is clear that it isnt enough
@zeroset7402 2 жыл бұрын
I just hope that the damage output and hp will stabilize itself at least if it isn't going lower. I don't see myself in 10 years doing 650 natural damage to a 800 hp pokemon
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