This Card Changed The Pokémon TCG Forever

Рет қаралды 255,952

Жыл бұрын

The Pokemon Trading Card Game's history is rich with flavorful design, iconic characters from the franchise, and incredible stories about decks and cards. In today's video I cover the prize card mechanic of the pokemon TCG and the ways it has been altered for better or for worse since 1999.
Sources used throughout this video:
ptcglegends.com
limitlesstcg.com
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wi...
ptcgarchive.com/
pokemontcg.guru/sets
Editor: / @shinyrowlet
#pokemontcg #pokemoncards #pokemon
**********************************
Learn how to play the Pokemon Trading Card Game with this easy and informative video series: • How To Play: Become a ...
Deck Lists, News, Forums: pokemoncard.io/
Subscribe to BEASTCOAST POKEMON: • Introducing Beastcoast...
Purchase codes for PTCGO & PTCG Live here: potownstore.com and use code celio for 5% off!
Purchase Dragonshield Products and support me with the following affiliate links:
US Webshop: www.dragonshield.com/webshop/...
EU Webshop: www.dragonshield.com/webshop/...
Watch my live streams here: / celiosnetwork
Follow me on twitter here: / celios_network
free articles: celiosnetwork.com
Join my Discord here: / discord
Tik Tok: / celiosnetwork
**********************************

Пікірлер: 332

@cchoate09 Жыл бұрын

Every time I see ADP in expanded, I roll my eyes so much they might get stuck. The entire GX tag team was such a bad direction. Very glad we are heading back to the older ex mechanic. After we get rid of VSTAR and VMAX in a future rotation, I hope power levels reset to something sustainable.

@mission4871 Жыл бұрын

The tag team cards should have just evolved from both the listed pokemon or something like that

@emberpowertcg7692 Жыл бұрын

@@mission4871 now you see, that would have been a good idea :) nah though that actually sounds really cool

@MidwestBoom Жыл бұрын

You gotta remember people who actually play the game are only like a 3rd of people who buy pokemon products. Seeing 2 of your favorite pokemon on the same card was so cool

@xcyphs Жыл бұрын

@@MidwestBoom That don't mean they had to make the cards overpowered??

@ConnorKrohnicles Жыл бұрын

@@MidwestBoom you gotta remember that the Pokémon TCG is first and foremost a trading card GAME, so having something so unbalanced just really sucked for a while

@vexel17 Жыл бұрын

Seems to me that tag team pokemon were designed solely to prepare for the arrival of VMAXs. They needed a way to power creep into 300+ hp behemoths without it being so sudden.

@matthewkuscienko4616 Жыл бұрын

Even then, they still accelerated the power creep of the game faster than it probably should have been, considering that while tag teams were still legal in standard they arguably remained more dominant because although Vmaxs had more HP, you needed to evolve up into them but didn't have to worry about this with tag teams. Because of this, in my eyes, it seems like the opposite of what you said was true in that Vmaxs needed to be as big and powerful as they are in order to keep the pace with what is arguably the most broken mechanic ever printed, and I think it says a lot about how strong they are given that they are becoming dominant in expanded as well, especially with ADP having access to double dragon energy to more easily use it's GX attack on the first turn of the game

@SLEDGEHAAMMER Жыл бұрын

VMAXs were designed to counter the Tag Team mechanic. Tag Team Pokemon, especially Mewtwo & Mew/ADP/PikaRom, dominated until they rotated, never truly being countered by VMAX with the exception of Rapid Strike Urshifu VMAX; Urshi dominated the format at the end of the tag team lifecycle, still taking some Ls to the big three.

@jamieroden5748 Жыл бұрын

@@matthewkuscienko4616 how long to type

@jamieroden5748 Жыл бұрын

For you to type

@jamieroden5748 Жыл бұрын

@@SLEDGEHAAMMER ye

@edsylan2275 Жыл бұрын

TPC designing ADP: you know this cool and complex mechanic (GX attack) that rewards player for knowing when to use it for early advantage, when to hold it for late game scenarios and when to use it with a different pokemon? What if the mascot of the last main set throws all that out of the window and instead tries to turbo out the same gx attack as soon as possible? TPC designing Lugia: you know this cool and complex mechanic (Vstar power) that rewards players for knowing when to use it for early advantage, when to hold it for late game scenarios and when to use it with a different pokemon? What if the mascot of the last main set throws all that out of the window and instead tries to turbo out the same Vstar power as soon as possible?

@papabroly8000 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. They haven’t learned and it’s deeply upsetting

@laylajs Жыл бұрын

I knew that they would make a totally broken vstar in the last SWSH set. Now I don't even know if what I hate more adp or lugia

@bakh554321 Жыл бұрын

@@papabroly8000 Hot take, They knew exactly what they were doing. All of the good cards in Lugia are rotating. Amazing Pokemon all from year 1 SwSh (Regulation mark D) The Aurora Energy D Block POWERFUL ENERGY is from Rebel Clash which is rotating with the other D cards. The other special energies that provide typed energy? D Block Capture Energy? D also Evolution Incense that lets you find Archeops easily? Also rotating! Quick Ball? Replaced with Nest Ball which doesn't trigger from hand effects as it gets pulled from the deck! Even the Rainbow-Ish Energy coming out in Triple Beat (Luminous Energy) is just a Multi-Energy reprint. (Provides one of any energy but only 1 at a time as long as there are no Special Energy attached.) Look it sucks that Lugia kinda trashed the last 5 months of the meta. But Lugia is going to be stuck being a 200-220 damage beat stick that discards stadiums, or slave to accelerating RS or SS energies to Rapid and Single strike Pokemon. Lugia is gonna be tier 2 at best in Scarlet in Violet.

@rochendlywouters9113 Жыл бұрын

@@bakh554321exactly!!

@kyubbikcat2281 Жыл бұрын

Arceus Vstar too. And it’s possible that Arceus will see more play after rotation.

@YukichiReikyu Жыл бұрын

When ADP released, I had been playing Yugioh for close to a decade at that point and thought I could stomach any kind of powercreep. After playing against it for a month, in both Standard and Expanded, I realized that I was wrong. ADP is the kind of card they should use in game design classes as an example of what NOT to do.

@djeldj Жыл бұрын

As a fellow tugioh plsyer I read it and was like this is essentially pokemons version of CED

@Aigis31 Жыл бұрын

As someone who hasn't played Pokemon TCG in about a decade, I'm really sad about ADP being such a power house. On the one hand, it's cool that the team-up card of the Sinnoh Legendaries is strong. But on the other, I wish it didn't tear up an entire metagame and become so hated... why couldn't it just be a silly and situational card 😢

@KiraSlith Жыл бұрын

What you're noticing is almost definitely the difference in balance standards. YuGiOh has been solidly borked for ~7 years now, to the point it's more luck-based puzzle than TCG. If your deck engine doesn't manage a turn 1 win, your opponent's more likely will. With Pokemon, the game is practically balanced on the tip of a ballpoint pen, which it regularly falls off of. State alters like ADP are usually the result of executive meddling, high relative cost-power ratio cards like Base 1 Charizard, Legendary Battle Lugia EX, Zacian V, and Lugia VStar aren't intentional, they usually get an explicit counter-card and/or counter combo and a more meta-fit replacement soon after. Engines like Leipard V Swap are typically spot banned in tournaments. But when it breaks, it takes until at least the next set release to be fixed again. Leipard V Swap is obscure, but it's a small-league ruiner that rips up anyone that doesn't already have a V that doesn't have 230HP+ to tank getting struck twice, while it charges up and then deal 190 in 1 turn without discharging so the Leipards don't cycle out and fully heal instead of being KO'd, something none of the Pokemon V at the time could do.

@tylerbreckenridge3850 Жыл бұрын

ADP was why I decided to quit until tag teams rotated. I did not enjoy that format at all

@kade3788 Ай бұрын

ADP is awesome so fun w lapras v max :)

@Over9000Chainz Жыл бұрын

I was playing Blacephalon GX in standard at the time this came out, the power creep was definitely felt when this monstrosity could take 3 prize cards from a fragile 180 HP lolipop

@antusReliquarius Жыл бұрын

Even the 1 prize form could do so lol (I loved baby Blacephalon)

@CoralReaper707 Жыл бұрын

Man 180 used to be massive.

@legoferrari14 Жыл бұрын

My favourite special gimmick cards were the Legends from HGSS; two-card mons that were overwhelmingly powerful but needed a lot of either time or resource invested to get both parts out; otherwise you'd be bricked if you have only one of the two parts. That sort of risk-reward element is missing with basic EX/GX/V mons since their nature as a single-card basic means it's too easy to summon a massive beatstick.

@CoralReaper707 Жыл бұрын

We need more high risk high reward cards tbh.

@kirillsniff9133 Жыл бұрын

they are also absolutely gorgeous, some of the best art of any cards ever printed

@Star-tw5qg Жыл бұрын

I remember loving my darkrai/cresselia card.

@jameshoppe1417 Жыл бұрын

The new EX pokemon coming out are more risk reward because a lot of em are evolution cards now like older ones and V-Unions which take 4 cards do exist

@DM-of5sl Жыл бұрын

There’s V-Union cards which kind of do this, but most of them are bad/gimmicks

@TLTheLegend 5 ай бұрын

IMO tag team should actually require you to have the cards that make up the tag team. For example Celebi & Venusaur tag team should require you to have a celebi and a venusaur (whether in your hand, bench, or active slot) and then discard those cards in order to play the tag team to your bench.

@meeleeman6311 Жыл бұрын

Wait, so you're telling me the god, the creator of space and the creator of time on the one card is broken? UNACCEPTABLE!

@shuckletcg Жыл бұрын

Nice breakdown! I quit playing PTCGO when Tag Teams were introduced and didn't return until SwSh when they were beginning to phase out. Seems like all TCGs push a bit too hard sometimes and then course-correct later.

@neckbeardcat6777 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I took a break during the swsh first block cause the amount of tube fire and adp/zacian decks made the game unenjoyable. I didn't enjoy playing either archetype, and they were strong enough that they dominated both the expanded and standard formats on ptcgo and killed deck variation entirely for several months. Still one of the worst decisions tpci has ever made in regards to the tcg.

@kstanni87 9 ай бұрын

Iron Hands EX is saying hi. If it knocks out a pokemon it's bonus effect grants it one extra prize card. And with many 2 prize cards being popular than ever again it will be easy to draw 3 cards prizes. his weakness is it only does 160 and costs 4 energies

@lkmdude8094 Жыл бұрын

I feel like from the break on rotation to when tag teams released was the healthiest the game has been in a long time. While GX's were skipped over in this video they were really good for the game. I feel like for a brief year the tcg was able to recapture the feel of the gen 3 era.

@BrandoMan Жыл бұрын

Excellent video. As someone who started competitive at the beginning of SWSH, it's been nice seeing the TCG recover and getting to play what most people won't recall to as the worst meta ever.

@oscarsullivan5983 Жыл бұрын

I played the tcg for over a decade but s/m tag team completely killed it for me. The most I’ll engage with it nowadays is the occasional booster box as compared to when I’d schedule my weekends around trying to rack up enough points for worlds

@Countcomfortable Жыл бұрын

Ah. Zacian is just as good in the tcg as in the main games

@stevenvasquez9869 Жыл бұрын

I have NEVER played a format that, with the release of 1 card, invalidated 90% of playstyles. It was so toxic playing against i stopped playing pokemon tcg as a whole until I saw it rotated out.

@sterlingtucker7042 Жыл бұрын

Gotta love how no matter the format zachian is just the most broken pokémon ever made

@hikershay11395 Жыл бұрын

if we compare Miraidon with Zacian V, we will notice the power creep from ADP not quite recovering game needs a great reset like the old Gen 2 e-cards to wipe 300hp out of existence, though what they seem to be trying to do now is to redefine the power ceiling with 300hp stage 2 2-prizers whatever they do, please don't print 3-prizers anymore, basic 3-prizers are criminal

@laylajs Жыл бұрын

I prefer to one shot a 240hp 3 prizer than for my opponent to heal a 280hp 2 prize behemoth 2 times

@hikershay11395 Жыл бұрын

@@laylajs thing is 3 prizers are not 240 anymore, but sure KOing mew vmax for 3 prizes feels neat

@laylajs Жыл бұрын

@@hikershay11395 I kind of wanted to also show power creep in the last 3-4 years

@hikershay11395 Жыл бұрын

@@laylajs we just get further and further from playing single prize stage 2 pokemon

@GeckoDraws Жыл бұрын

KOing mew vmax with my single prize luxray deck is the greatest... ironically enough the only thing i can keep up with is vmax decks, i cant knock out most vstars quick enough with it

@drblader7008 Жыл бұрын

I remember that time well! playing the standard format was hell for any casual player and worse than that at this time there was almost no way to cauterize this sick duo!

@MrHappyChappyX Жыл бұрын

I have left a few comments today, I feel as though I am learning the history of PTCG and many of the reasons why the game is where it is at today. The game is nowhere near as convoluted as Yu-Gi-Oh current formats which I also didn't play for decades, but the multiple prize card rules took a while to wrap my head around. Thank you for this informative content Celio, your scripts and editing ae outstanding! I can't remember the last time I watched youtube videos in full screen xD

@MrHappyChappyX Жыл бұрын

I am GOBSMACKED that ADP was prinited, and then Zacian V came along to bring it to astronomical levels! 4 generations apart from one another! I have stated I came into the TCG realm recently and Zacian V (on PTCGLive) is extremely common. Little did I know the history bestowed before it, and how energy acceleration was changed forever through things such as Lugia Archeops, Mew Vmax Genesect... Absolutely incredible work, thank you for everything

@pokezimm Жыл бұрын

Would of been hilarious if Acreus V Stars ability was Altered Creation. Take an extra two prize cards 😂 and do 50 more damage.

@justahumblelittleoshawott7972 Жыл бұрын

I've never hated a card so much

@boxkid759 Жыл бұрын

I love the ADP haters tears ❤️

@SnoFitzroy Жыл бұрын

what about lugia vstar

@boxkid759 Жыл бұрын

@@SnoFitzroy lugia is fine.

@derekjeter3654 Жыл бұрын

@@boxkid759 Lugia is horrible

@boxkid759 Жыл бұрын

@@derekjeter3654 nope.

@cloak5857 7 ай бұрын

I haven't played Pokémon in years and just had a sudden curiosity where it was at now days. This was the perfect video to answer my question, thank you.

@gabrielprates6403 Жыл бұрын

As a player that played in 2012 and just came back playing, I was surprised that such card existed :o

@20eyesmisfit Жыл бұрын

Profit is probably always going to take precedent over more balanced focus design sadly.

@frankunodostres473 Жыл бұрын

I enjoy these videos a lot and they kinda make me wanna pick up my old cards and play again... but then I remember set rotation is a thing and my cards are nothing more than collectables :/

@Mystic-Aidan Жыл бұрын

Tag Teams are amazing on paper. Two Pokémon on one card, plus it’s a good excuse to bring in alternate forms like megas without needing evolution. However, 3 prizes was too much, and ADP was just a plague. Personally I want tag-teams back, but as two prize Pokémon, and have the game explicitly treat them like two separate Pokémon on one card. Maybe even dual type it? For example with Melmetal and Lucario, give it double iron bash and aura sphere. Act as if the HP value is just one + other. I’m glad they’re going back to evolution for SV, but I hope the 1+1 idea doesn’t die over a few really, really badly designed cards.

@FabschOblivion669 Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the GX TagTeam cards. The cards that killed my passion for the TCG and made me resent big basic pokémon in it.

@johnpaulantoncich4500 Жыл бұрын

So on point. Well done

@unclejohnny5225 Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the video. As a newer player, this definitely gives some perspective as to the history of the game.

@rakimfreeland90 Жыл бұрын

This was a good watch

@literallygrass1328 Жыл бұрын

ADP was super farmable on the PTCGO ladder with inteleon vmax I could just spam the attack that bounces an energy, then once I bounce it's energy twice I knock it out with the second attack and then do 60 on the bench to zacian so I could knock it out. It only worked going first, but it was still hilarious to pull off.

@mjsteelewasabipunk6091 Ай бұрын

Soooo good. Thank you for this.

@steeliodoesminecraft2645 5 ай бұрын

As much as ADP Zaician was broken in SWSH, I will say it was a blast and weirdly not too unbalanced in S&M without Zaician or too many other easy acceleration cards for steel or water. Plus using the GX attack left you vulnerable and depending on positioning, that could be your opponent taking 3 prizes with all you getting is the +30dmg +1 Prize. (I got 1 or 2 shot by Balcephalon gx way too much). I will admit I'm a tad biased as I first got hooked at a Cosmic Eclipse pre-release where I pulled it in my box, and had to somehow work in steel energy in a water/(electric I think? Not steel or mono water) evo pack. Best moment was facing down another new ttgx and maneuvering my bench mons to whittle it down, getting the ADP's gx attack off right before going down with a pokemon ready to go on the bench that thanks to the +30dmg could now take the knock out. To which my opponent excitedly stated they only need 1 more knock out for the win (Pre-releases are 40 card decks with 4 prizes, 4-3=1), to which I said "same here!" Promoted a Primarina and took the Ko (4-(3+1)=4). Needless to say I was the talk around the shop that day.

@itsmesteve1081 Жыл бұрын

I remember buying the reshiram and charizard and zekrom and pikachu decks at Walmart and I was so happy because I knew how collectable those particular cards were but at the same time I didn't want to buy them as singles and I also didn't want to waste money paying for booster packs. Those theme decks were SO freaking good, but tbh it didn't even feel like i was playing pokemon tcg anymore. It was like I was playing yugioh all over again where you power speed your plays do that you can dominate in one turn. It wasn't fun. There were no back and forth. And even if there were, the game would end in four or five turns because of how powerful these cards were PLUS you take 3 prize cards if they were knocked out. Knock out two tag team pokemon and you win the game. It speed of the game went way too fast. Don't get me wrong though, it was still cool but gone are the days of old school theme decks where you actually need to evolve a pokemon to stage 2 to make it knock out pokemon.

@HabitusHealthTO Жыл бұрын

Ur story telling is unmatched!

@walrusman151 Жыл бұрын

I always thought that tag teams were busted, would have been cool and maybe more balanced if basic tag teams had to "evolve" from having each component Pokémon (e.g. dialga, palkia and arceus) in play

@CoralReaper707 Жыл бұрын

Arceus vStar was the one card that truly turned me off. It has so much HP, and it's attacks and abilities are ridiculously overpowered. Tag Team GXs would've been so much cooler if you could only have one of those in your deck. The gimmick being not to spam them, but rather to protect them. Also, I would like to mention how ridiculously high HP stats are getting. I miss the times when 250 was truly monstrous.

@jameshoppe1417 Жыл бұрын

Compared to Lugia Vstar... Arceus Vstar is balanced all it takes is one Professor's Research for Lugia Vstar to throw 2 Archeops on the bench and now Lugia Vstar can gain 6 energy in one turn.

@Querterus 4 ай бұрын

i dont play pokm card game but others and what i learnd is start of game and infinite auras or extremy powerfull and most of them will become rly strong the moment they get the right support or meta change

@MrLurch133 Жыл бұрын

My gourgeist /Raticate decks were only thing that could keep pace with their price card set up.

@hogoototwilightian628 Жыл бұрын

I'll argue, that Plasma Storm 134 Lugia EX, long ago, once had a similar effect. Which was the Overflow ability; if you knock out the opponent's front with Plasma Lugia, you take an additional card. The only restriction was that it costed resources to use it's only expensive attack, Plasma Gale, Overflow was an ability, and Lugia has to generally be up front. I'm only stating this, just to point out that these type of effects have happened before. But the difference was the card and the environment it was put in.

@tpose1-jo3uy 3 ай бұрын

Back in second grade I had an adp but back then none of my friends that collected including me didn’t know rarity, we only new strength so I ended up trading it for a couple random gx’s

@kirbosparent5863 Жыл бұрын

The biggest issue in the ADP problem at the time in my opinion was Zacian V. It dealt massive damage and had perfect synergy with ADP. Before SSH, people were trying out different Cards with ADP, like Keldeo GX, Zapdos Articuno Moltres GX or Spiritomb. None of that was here when Zacian V hit the scene.

@baileyayyy5085 Жыл бұрын

I remember trying to hoard all the ex cards when trading with kids on the bus in elementary school. I was so close to a monopoly but that one kid held out and I couldn't get the last two :(

@somethingaboutgaming.2538 4 ай бұрын

Bidoof: Look at what they need to mimic even a *fraction* of my power.

@rivern.7551 Жыл бұрын

Honestly I think that expanded should be cut off at Lost Thunder, before the Tag Teams broke everything. TPCI/Creatures Inc. would never do that, but it would basically save expanded. Sun and Moon era cards had some power creep to them, but at least in this case the X&Y cards would be playable. Just think cutting Tag Teams-VStars off would be the best play.

@AlJaKa Жыл бұрын

I remember pulling the thumbnail card In a pack a couple years ago, good times

@coledavidson5630 Жыл бұрын

ADP is insane in expanded bc you can build a water/steel deck with cryogonal to get it ready

@coolyeh1017 4 ай бұрын

Nowadays it is outclassed by Lugia VStar, control decks (doll stall and Plume/Bunnelby control), Regidrago VStar, slower than Palkia Vstar or Tsareena V, and Miraidon ex. 280HP for three prizes is simply too punishing in expanded meta for an effect easily removed by Pokemon Ranger.

@coledavidson5630 4 ай бұрын

@@coolyeh1017 I made it work pretty damn well online when TCGO was a thing. Sure there are probably stronger decks but it still went really hard

@liltone9614 4 ай бұрын

It was Zacian V first and then Boss order’s that made ADP good.

@dedou7722 Жыл бұрын

Oh God...I had Vietnam flashbacks as soon as I saw that card

@robertcajucom3203 Жыл бұрын

as a gen 4 stan and a filthy dragon link combo spammer in yugioh, ADP+Zacian was the one deck I loved the most.

@kintsuki99 Жыл бұрын

Dendene GX was the yrue goat being slotted in all decks. That is true power.

@Terry.M.I. 10 ай бұрын

never mentioned double dragon energy and guzma/hala to get a stadium and double dragon energy and rusted sword for zacian which was searchable off tag call get your supporter and adp in one card xD

@retroprogamer7009 5 ай бұрын

I am from the Future. We now got Pokemon Tex Mex Ultra V Star+. Those give 6 Prices and have 1500-2000HP and do 500-1000 Damage with 1-2 Energy

@PTactician 5 ай бұрын

And we have a reprint of Roaring Moon ex in that set

@ragingstorm_ Жыл бұрын

man every other pokemon media seems so much more interesting than the main series

@gigagaming960 3 ай бұрын

as a malamar player at the time there was a single player at every tournament who played this and i could not for the life of me win - it was always the one matchup i couldnt win without luck and felt abysmal to play against, even if my opponent was good and played well, it still felt less like them playing well and more like the sheer power of the card coming through. And then zacian came out as well.

@CeliosNetwork 3 ай бұрын

The lists at the beginning of that meta were ADP food lol

@gigagaming960 3 ай бұрын

@@CeliosNetwork yh it was insane - especially if you didnt have the money to burn on putting together an adp deck of your own

@lucasdunk2536 5 ай бұрын

Probably didn’t matter, but let’s not forget that it had a weakness to fairy, and then the very next set the type was removed from the TCG

@Monkchelle_Kongbama 4 ай бұрын

good card, drank a lot of tears with it.

@LucyKosaki 4 ай бұрын

I remember a few years ago when I got into the Pokemon TCG online game it was when ADP Zacian was at its height. I made myself one too and started to rank up quickly because of how strong it was. Only to get absolutely outplayed over and over by Pokedoll stall decks, that dont give any price cards on defeat and recycle themselves endlessly

@drew8235 Ай бұрын

I missed this era of the TCG entirely, but kinda thankful now lol.

@chaoscontrolgaming9347 Жыл бұрын

I think it would have been fine if ADP had a higher energy cost for ac Maybe 1 metal for the bace effect and 4 more for the additional

@literallygrass1328 Жыл бұрын

Wait where is that animation at the start of the video from? The one where the guy plays a card all dramatic like?

@CeliosNetwork Жыл бұрын

Pokémon Japan’s Twitter published it last year

@captaincanterberrystudios6920 4 ай бұрын

I had an X-ball Mewtwo once and terrorized everyone with an energy-heavy deck. Good times.

@Japanlover79 Жыл бұрын

I played a lot of expanded during this time period on TCG online. Mostly because making a deck that could compete in that format was impossible. The only good card for dealing with tag teams was Aloan Ninetails with aurora veil. As it prevent all damage and effects from GX Pokemon

@connorself Жыл бұрын

I stopped following the special card scene around the time of megas and seeing this video hit me like a truck 💀 power creep goes nuts

@box_is_real Жыл бұрын

i find the concept of tag team pokemon cool, if a bit risky and extravagant. But ADP is just stupid. As someone who plays MTG, there are reasons why cards that accelerate formats are so valuable (and also banned.)

@Adamcult 3 ай бұрын

I have ADP irl in the normal one and full art

@cgrw1 4 ай бұрын

"16 years after the ex expansion" holy shit that made me feel ancient

@drdeepak7529 5 ай бұрын

Imagine a regidraco vstar using apex dragon and it uses altered creation again after apd used it again

@KING-K-ROOL246 4 ай бұрын

I don’t play with pokemon cards but I do have the arceus, dialga , and palkia card

@randommemeaddict249 3 ай бұрын

I was never good at the TCG back when I played TCGO. It had no proper ladder(that I know of) like TCGLive, but everytime I used my (not that great) ADP deck and pulled out Altered creation, I won the game. Even if ADP dies, its other attach pulling energy from the deck to give to other pokemon ensured a quick recovery.

@NotAMoron42 Жыл бұрын

I have this! Got it years ago.

@slackerZ1 Жыл бұрын

I quit playing when they announced tag teams. I regret nothing.

@Josh_Lopez2 5 ай бұрын

mann i played in PIRME tag team and had such a broken mew 3 deck.. ADP was the only games i lost

@ConstructiveCriticHD Жыл бұрын

yeah the commons in V, single GX were okay when SW/S released. My local pharmacies started to mark down and put out Cosmic Eclipse pre cons. As a House rule, we limit the use of V, and GX to one. We don't use tag, and EX to two if it was a evolution, one if it was a game changing basic. Mega's you kinda only wanted to run one any ways. I will say structure decks out of the box pre V were all relatively balanced. Competitive TCG might never change their rules. But maybe a similar format and the need to declare a precon and to carry at least 5 Pokémon from such sets would benefit your community. I just used to play casually with my sister till we moved to more mature card games.

@ConstructiveCriticHD Жыл бұрын

Much like the probable skepticism surrounding Pokémon Bank finally coming to Gen 9. Knowing that Game Freak/nintendo will probably not give us additional resources to represent our favorite region's mechanic. And will region Lock bank's ability to Mega evolve, terrastilize, Dynamax and Gigantimax, and use Z moves base on the game the pokemon got transferred from. If not deny the addition of new mechanics to gen 9 as a whole, no matter where those pokemon came from. I don't know if it exist in Pokemon TCG, but a format that locks a deck to one mechanic, or you can only hold one card out of the 3 could be healthy. If you Tag you deny your ability to double up on any other possible option.

@MrMat322 Жыл бұрын

I still think that Pikarom was worse, the Koko star + thunder mountain + Zeraora gx retreat in the first turn into tag bolt for 2 KO next turn was devastating, usually was a 4/0 or a 5/0 in the second turn of the game. The only other card that felt so frustrating was Buzzwole GX with Diancie prism star and strong energy, so you could never play 70 or less hp basics. Pikarom was more frustrating because Dedene and Tapu Lele were the 60 hp basic and even your active tag team would get 350 damage in two turns.

@liltone9614 4 ай бұрын

I believe 2020 would have been ADP Zacian V format then 2021 eternatus vmax

@giovanniperagallo8765 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the @ ❤️

@kep2871 Жыл бұрын

ADP is easily my most hated card ever. and I hope it stays that way because I cannot fathom them printing a more obnoxious card

@abra_escaped Жыл бұрын

Wow, as someone whose only experience with the tcg is the gameboy game, these cards sound insanely strong. Just so I know, whenever a new series comes out, are you only allowed to use cards from that one?

@CeliosNetwork Жыл бұрын

You can use the cards from about the past 2-3 years in standard format. Roughly about 8-12 sets!

@IceClimberr Жыл бұрын

I loved shitting on ADP with Lucmetal

@legogaming5992 4 ай бұрын

I have this card I didn’t know it was that good

@loktochin8084 Жыл бұрын

Where’s the footage from at 0:21? Dope animation !

@CeliosNetwork Жыл бұрын

twitter.com/pokemon_cojp/status/1511569555721801728?s=46&t=WKTyEKP6xVoEH_pR3OsXBw

@curtisklinger1141 Жыл бұрын

What's the music in this video? It's really chill.

@Nocturne989 Жыл бұрын

To be fair, due to single player enemy trainers normally lacking a full team and official competitive being VGC doubles the whole time, outside of basically just Smogon players, you were never "knocking out six pokemon to win the old fashioned way". The 2-prizers would technically be closer to what navigating a VGC game would be like KO-wise. I wonder if that contributes to the jump from 2-prizers to 3 feeling more like explicitly overtuned power creep.

@10types Жыл бұрын

ADP is the only card to not be playable at a world championship but still win. Thats how strong it is

@venomgaming7014 5 ай бұрын

ADP GX: a wall of text Kommo-o GX ultra uppercut: *nothing*

@albertludwig6098 4 ай бұрын

longtime pokemon fan with a bit of yugioh experience and this vid mightve j inspired me to go into tcg ngl and pointers on how to familiarise myself with the game/where i can get playing online etc etc ? ty for any tipps :)

@CeliosNetwork 4 ай бұрын

I got you: How to Play Pokémon TCG In 2023/2024 - Guide to decks, formats, rotation, events, and more kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jLSigqmqxJusqoE.html

@albertludwig6098 4 ай бұрын

@@CeliosNetwork guess what i was watching as u linked me that 💀💀

@williamclancy-jundt118 Жыл бұрын

Odd that they didn't go back and use some cards that are immune to basics.

@Garrett_00 Жыл бұрын

Adp was the first GX I pulled

@keylimepython641 Жыл бұрын

From a gameplay perspective, probably a bad idea. From a lore perspective, its the creators of the multiverse. It should be OP.

@SilverShadow02 11 ай бұрын

And ever since Team Up, it's been a turn-2 knockout-or-lose game. I'm glad Live has restricted the card pool somewhat so expanded games aren't decided on turn 1.

@benjaminromero5599 Жыл бұрын

This video's value equals the lugia and archeops along with Mew and genesect decks... as a means to win without enjoying the raw dynamics of the game.

@DinukDeshan Жыл бұрын

PTSD from ADP intensifies...

@mattutter3525 Жыл бұрын

ADP was a blight on the metagame, and one of the biggest mistakes the pokemon company made with TCG.

@terrillwilliams1515 9 ай бұрын

*DOUBLE DRAGON TYPE ENERGY GO BRRRRRRRRRR!*

@christianfortner 11 ай бұрын

I think Pokémon is definitely backpedaling even more with Paldea Evolved - I remember there were a lot of anti-V attributes in a lot of the new cards.

@booyah344 Жыл бұрын

OF COURSE IT WAS KNIFE DOGGO

@ChompChomp420 Жыл бұрын

I truly despised adp... repeating dull metas are one thing, but them being made of just one boring broken deck and it lasted for like 3 expansions so that made it even worse. And even then the deck was still good

@pokepasta-rs4dp Жыл бұрын

just looked through my card collection, i have all the cards for this insane setup and i can ruin the tcg for my friends forever, however, i would much rather collect cards than to play with them, so i probably won't