+Adam Crispin Teach them young'uns right. They are the ones who are going to have our backs when we are too old to po-lease.

+free field training ...and stay safe out there.

+Carlos Huerta thanks for watching!

free field training where do you have this in your vehicle when patrolling? I was thinking having it accessible from driver seat so that I can put it on as I get to the trunk AR

+Matt Hewett glad you like it.

Agreed. In fact, in some parts of the world putting a ballistic panel into child's backpack or sewn into a business man's jacket is fairly common practice.

+Ed Hamlin i am in some ways happy that were a little bit safer here in australia seeing as tho a terrorist/criminal has less access to full auto assault rifles and carbines and even lesser access to kevlar vest and plate carriers. our 96 gun ban was useless criminals will always have access to firearms wether its legal or not its called a black market

+Will M If they want it they will get it. No matter how many laws you pass... Unless you form a government like seen off of the Hunger Games..

Will M Civilians don't have acces to assualt rifles. They do however, hV access to semi auto only versions that are nkt select fire

@@willm687 cmon man are you serious. American cannot get full autos like u make it seem. Semi auto version of said rifles yes. Full auto no.

+Joe B I'm glad it helped! I'm in the middle of a project testing out using 6x8 steel rifle plates in my external carrier. They give a little less area but weigh the same as the poly plates and can stay in all the time. Here's the link you might find it interesting kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gJelfd1-xLWzo40.html It is kind of a work in progress right now.

+SgtOli Glad you liked it. Be safe out there.

I appreciate the feedback. Be safe out there.

+Anrae Godley-Cooper Really, I've had only problems with the surefire 60 I tried.

Oh OK.

Oh...and open top mag pouches have been shown to be a "no-go" in most military units.

+Lupus Venator gpod thing I'm not jumping out of an areoplane.

Lol...well it was the dropping out during firefights that shut them down...but I see your point...

+Lupus Venator We used these extensively with swat and I've personally done yard to yard searches hopping 20-30 fences in an hour. Never had any problem. That's about the limits of my expected physical activity with the open top mag pouches. Thise particular pouches are pretty secure as long as you seat the mag all the way to the bottom. Some guys even run them upside down.

I've wondered about people who do that too. If the plate carrier makes it to where the doc can see it something has gone radically wrong in the world. I can't even fathom a circumstance inside the US where that would occur.

+juniormolina12 It is indeed. The link for it is in the description. Be advised though that is sticks out a little more than a double mag pouch, so if space is limited, esp. If you are using polyethylene plates that are already pretty thick, that med kit can stick quite a ways out there in front of you. I have a hard time driving with it on. Works great otherwise though.

+free field training Right, I see what you're saying. With all the gear on I'd imagine it gets in the way a bit. I went & checked out the site & will be purchasing one. Thanks brother!

+juniormolina12 You are very welcome, hopefully you don't ever need it.

+Ricky Ball glad you like them and thanks for watching

+Charles Something We've had tac guys get in some hairy situations helping out other agencies in plain clothes too.

Agreed that could potentially go south real fast, for me personally never a bad idea to take a second to Don the really bad day vest, personally I have ID patches reflective front and back and my secondary metal badge on a holder to the left of my ID patch at that point I just hope to God you see me

+Charles Something we have raid jackets that we can throw on with the agency and police in big gold letters.

Lol not full auto

It depends on the agency. My former agency had M16s from the DoD and they were able to be switched to auto. It was forbidden, however, due to not having the required training.

+Zach Carter I think it is the citizen eco-drive. Hasn't been in anything for a while because I broke the band a couple months ago and a new band is $79.

+free field training Thanks'

+Zach Carter It is my immense pleasure.

+Stonnie Dennis np

That has actually occurred before and when it did the shooter was taken down by a couple of astute patrolmen who recognized that the gear old boy was wearing wasn't issue. Luckily dudes gun was jammed up from one of those uber internet reliable 100 round mags and he was taken alive. Twas out in the northweat not to long ago if I'm not mistaken. That is where those "trained observer" skills come into play. But, the concern is definitely still valid. That is one of the reasons I am against having stock "Police" or "Security" items and would prefer whole agency names on stuff. Makes it a little harder to get. Sadly, that costs money and money talks. I generally have a (quite distinctive) department patch on my uniform, vest, and plate carrier to try to negate just such an issue. I took it off for the video for obvious reasons.

+free field training The Colorado Theater shooter was dressed as SWAT but spotted because he had the wrong pants and kneepads or something wasn't it?

+Josh Turner I'm not sure it is public knowledge yet for OPSEC reasons. But, it was something like that. The takeaway is public knowledge though. That is keen observation skills save lives.

+free field training yeah that is the key point, having randoms mixed in defending themselves with concealed carry must also add a layer of stress and possible mis-identification.

free field training I read that on ar15.com and not in a secure section. I'm pretty sure it's out there. But if you want me to delete, I will.

+sawyer lawrence you'd be surprised the price you can get on poly plates if you shop around. I think I got mine in the $250 a piece range. That puts two plates and a carrier right around the price of a blue line glock and night sights.

That's really good for new ones, I had to get some secondhand ones from a UK police force, I paid 1,000 pounds for 20 plates and another 500 pounds shipping to the states. They've since changed the export laws, but armor is still so cheap over there. 50 pounds buys a two year old HG2( US IIIA) vest.

@@freefieldtraining LATE(!) reply, but UHMWPE plates are nice and light, but won't stop the pretty common M855 5.56mm ("green tip"). Steel is heavy and cheap, but usually won't stop the light faster 5.56/.223. Ceramic will usually stop everything, is heavier than poly but lighter than steel. It is also the most fragile.

@@Unicorn161 Nah, poly in conjunction will generally stop m193 or m855 (we've tested it on the channel here). You can also get stand alone poly plates that are special threat rated for m855 if you shop around and verify the rating. Ceramic is also not nearly as fragile as people make it out to be, especially modern composite ceramic designs. The NIJ now has impact testing protocols for palte ratings. About 5-10 years ago you would have been correct though.

@@Unicorn161 Also, in order for steel to not stop the lighter faster 556 you have to use a 20" barrel and have an absolutely perfect perpendicular frontal shot. Not very likely. I'd be more worried about the spall (which we also have tested here on the channel with currently available steel armor).

Sorry, wrong channel. Lol

3lbs vs 7+ pounds is an easy decision. $400 vs $80 is a little harder though.

I'd work on a way to be able to slip a front plate in on an as needed basis. One of my better vests for SWAT that had a flap at the top, right under your chin, for a plate where you slid it down into the vest. www.pointblankenterprises.com/pointblankbodyarmor/?product=ram-1 In the picture the "POLICE" Patch is on the flap I am talking about Poly and ceramic plates were an affair to get in and out, but if yours slides in the same way you might be able to slide a front steel plate in on the fly. Plus steel is cheap and hard to damage, so you could just throw a plate in a duty bag or behind the seat. Better than nothing and would keep your cargo carrying capacity on your vest like you like it. If your vest requires disassembly to insert plates or is a side loader, you could take it to a tailor and have a 10x12 pouch sewn in the lining of the vest, against your body, that you could load a plate in on the fly. Though I question the comfort of that. To be honest, even the setup I show here is a bit bulky. Especially if I try to drive with it still on. I can't imagine having pouches on the font of my vest cover and tossing it over that.

I also looked into the first spear designs but, was worried about the "tubes" proprietary fastening. Looks cool, but as you can tell from the various videos, I have a tendency to break things and would prefer gear that is repairable. Now if someone reading this works for first spear and wants to send me one for free...

+free field training I could slip in a front plate pretty easy just with a quick unzip. But I'd either need to take it off or have someone else insert a back plate. But no disassembly is required. I have steel plates, but they are very heavy. Granted im pretty green, I love the external vest carriers, the other more salty guys have really grown to like them as well. I think it's really comfortable. I've heard good things about the tubes from first spear, but don't know anyone personally. I do know a guy personally that has one of those GGG mpcs and he loves it. Though not LE or mil, just a guy that trains a lot. ( search for the Practically Tactical channel they've done a review) I suppose I could simply keep plates in a bag to slip in if I have the chance. I also have the option of switching back to a concealable carrier, then I could keep something like this. I just really do like the external vest a lot.

Me too. Nothing beats being able to skip the vest off while doing paper or taking a duce.

Get composite plates. Angel Armor hybrid is what my colleague wears daily. He has the newer Safariland vest with the less tactical looking molle.

+Earl Keen well, if the red coats come you are definitely ready 😀😀

+Sweegy Swag even if it were. Two thirty round mags on the gun, two more on the plate carrier. Then a mag in the pistol and three more spares on the duty belt... And a backup gun. ..that is a significant amount of lead to carry around. In fact, I didn't carry any kore than that around when I worked SWAT

Both are very reliable. Using one pmag or lancer for soft point duty ammo and GI for harder penetrating special purpose rounds makes it easier to tell the difference, just by feel if necessary, between the different ammunition. So, if necessary at night in a crack house at 3am while moving and communicating I can tell what type of ammunition I am loading without looking. Makes it stupid easy and it's much more reliable than red and blue tape around the bottom quarter of the mag.

+free field training Makes sense. I like it. I've been using all my old mags from the Corps as backups. Now they've got a practical use again.

Any time you can reuse a gift from your uncle Sam is a bonus.

+lance gatien lol

+John Perkins Thank you! More to come...

+Cassandra Miller rubber straps on the ba k run through the molle loops

+Ronald Castro You do the same brother!

Wow, that sounds like a shit show situation.

It pays decent

Love your videos by the way

If I were you I would give serious consideration to a used vest. Used level 2 vests can be had pretty cheap. (under $250) if you shop around online.

www.ebay.com/itm/bullet-proof-vest-level-2/123524891028?hash=item1cc2a84194:g:JB8AAOSwDYdcBa-g I saw this level 2 vest pretty cheap

+OG Jabroni not my opinion, but, in many places the max age of hire for a non practitioner is 35

+Kim Jansson Where I am at any police officer can train and qualify with an AR-15 or Remington 870 shotgun. My department has them available for anyone who qualifies to use. I own both an AR-15 and a Remington 870 I qualify with both but generally carry my personal AR and use the department’s shotguns if I need one. I went to SWAT school a few years back and was on a team for a time, It did not suit me for many reasons and I went back to doing field training. LEO is shorthand for Law Enforcement Officer, a generic term that covers several classifications of police and quasi police jobs.

+free field training Could you do a video on your experiences on a SWAT team? I'm curious as to why the job did not suit you. I had the displeasure of speaking to a few of my municipality's Emergency Response Team members and they were all egotistical pricks. They had their heads shaved and just glared around at anything or anyone they could to make them uncomfortable. Later that day I was joking with some other officers that were not surprised with my encounter of them. Did you find that tactical teams attracted a certain type of person?

+AnInnocentLittleBoy let's just say I wasn't for me for personal reasons and I wasn't very good at it. SWAT tactics lean heavily on the officer being disposable and "working percentages". Deciding what is good or bad allowed for things like "only a 33% chance if getting shot" to be considered "good chances". Not to knock it, they have this strange tendency of winning gunfights because of it. Problem is I have small kids and a real strong urge to end the day with the same number of holes I started with. Standing in the open and " taking rounds" just dosen't compute in my head, I tried to get it in there, just wasn't working. It takes a special kind of person to repeatedly and perfectly, with the grace and precision of a professional dancer, do CQB while knowing that if things go bad they have a fairly good chance of getting killed or seriously wounded. It is also, at least where I am, like having two full time jobs. The training schedule is grueling, the expectations extraordinarily high, and the schedule insane. It was "normal" to work a regular 8hr shift on afternoons, get 3hrs of sleep, wake up at 2 am, hit a house at 3:30am, then have (extremely physical) training starting at 8am and running ten hours. Then do it all again the next day. Imagine that with a wide and two little kids... As you could imagine the people who are attracted to, and are good at, that job are a special breed. I tried for a long time to master that art, and learned alot along the way, but it is just not for me. I won't do a video on it because I think what I have to say, no matter how I frame it would sound like critasisim, and dissuade people from bidding into swat. That is the last thing I want. SWAT fulfills a critical life saving function that is largely misrepresented in both media and amongst cops. Having tried it myself, I can tell you that I, personally, have nothing but respect for the folks who do that job and do it well. Just like cops in general it is the bad apples that stick out. Plenty of guys are on ERT teams and you would never know it unless you asked. The dude wearing the Oakley's with a Boonie hat, team shirt that is a size too small, and shamage (sp?) to the bar and wont talk to you is the one that sticks out. Ignore him.

+Zach Carter depending on the legalities of it yes. MP's used to be restricted from carrying in many places by army policy and state law. Now some are covered under LEOSA. I'm sure the DOD might still have issues with them taking official action off duty though. As far as neighboring civilian agencies though, definitely.

+Zach Carter depending on the legalities of it yes. MP's used to be restricted from carrying in many places by army policy and state law. Now some are covered under LEOSA. I'm sure the DOD might still have issues with them taking official action off duty though. As far as neighboring civilian agencies though, definitely.

+Zach Carter depending on the legalities of it yes. MP's used to be restricted from carrying in many places by army policy and state law. Now some are covered under LEOSA. I'm sure the DOD might still have issues with them taking official action off duty though. As far as neighboring civilian agencies though, definitely.

+Zach Carter depending on the legalities of it yes. MP's used to be restricted from carrying in many places by army policy and state law. Now some are covered under LEOSA. I'm sure the DOD might still have issues with them taking official action off duty though. As far as neighboring civilian agencies though, definitely.

+Zach Carter +Zach Carter depending on the legalities of it yes. MP's used to be restricted from carrying in many places by army policy and state law. Now some are covered under LEOSA. I'm sure the DOD might still have issues with them taking official action off duty though. As far as neighboring civilian agencies though, definitely.

+Will M I don't take the garbage out without a "friend".

+Will M I haven't heard of too many places in Australia that have open gang warfare going on killing 5-25 people a weekend like is going on in many depressed areas of US cities. I also don't hear much about cops in Australia getting ambushed and killed walking to their cars after work or followed home.

+Will M If that was going on down there I'm sure folks would have a "friend" all the time too, legal or not. Safety is one of the most basic necessities, at least according to Maslow.

yeah i get what ya saying our crime rate is a lot lower then yours. but i think it was a policy made after 1996 gun bans

Will M-- You mean the 1996 national death-certificate signing?

+sodara Many states have far more impersonation laws than just impersonating LE. Many make it a crime to impersonate any government official or public safety worker. In at least one state it is currently illegal to impersonate anyone; cop, pilot, nurse, anybody. (Holloween is a bit of a downer there I would imagine) Putting "911" on your back may very well lead to some sort of impersonation charge, though I'm not aware of any specific case law on the issue and I am far too tired to look it up at the moment. That isn' t even your biggest problem though, when you start doing weird things like that there are far reaching unintended consequences. You may very well make the situation worse by causing people to call about the suspicious person with a plate carrier, rifle, and "911" written on his back. This would draw resources away from the actual.threat and towards you. Best case, you waste lots of time and resources, worst case... In an incident where there were already people shot I think you may very well become the prime suspect and the attention of what we so affectionately call a "stinger team" from the local constabulary. That would kind of defeat the purpose of ID. It WOULD make your life insurance a sound investment though, so there is that. You may also get jumped and beat the crap out of or ambushed by an off duty or ccw holder who assumed you were the bad guy...also not good. Some of those ccw holders are excellent shots and have lived long hard lives where they have learned things which could make you remaining days... unpleasant. You will likely get in some legal trouble with any ID pannel that does not accurately depict who you are and what you are there for. Since 100% of shootings require medical attention to be rendered and the number of medical personnel required for a mass casualty incident will be hundreds of times greater than the number of trigger pullers, might I suggest that you try an "EMT" ID pannel... With the proper certification and gear of course. Then there is no legal issues (that I'm aware of) and you have a skill that definitely WILL come in handy. Plus you get to buy new gear! Who dosent like new gear?!

+free field training exactly what I was thinking, don't want to interfere with the responding authorities or add to the confusion.

+Jamarcus Jayqwellen eh, for me, I have to be able to get back in the car and drive with the thing on. This setup is pushing it as it is given my girth.

right. i know of some officers that wear them specifically when they're in their car in case someone tries something while they're seated. not sure what kind they use though or the likeliness of such an attack

+Jamarcus Jayqwellen that would be...uncomfortable.

That depends on so many variables that it would be impossible to answer in any definitive way. If there were an answer I surely wouldn't share it on the internet.

+Will M As a training channel, this is a space for professionals who have a common interest. Everyone with a legitimate interest in the public safety topics presented here is welcome. However, due to this being an educational channel and not a political or entertainment forum certain things are not allowed. Your comment was held for review automatically by KZfaq because it contains cursing. If you continue to make statements that are derogatory or speculative in nature you will simply be blocked. I dislike having to do this, but it truly dosen't hurt me in any way. The dislike button drives traffic to my channel just as surely as the like button. You are more than welcome, as is everyone, to continue with adult conversation on the topic at hand if you refrain from cursing or making personal attacks. As a token of my sincerity I am also deleting the original snarky comment that instigated your retort.

yeah well he didn't have o say it in such a sarcastic way all he had to say was don't you mean this. thats why i got mad he was just straight up been a d..k

+Will M Understood. I have been guilty of such things in the past. Please just keep in mind that it is the internet. Tomorrow you will wake up, eat breakfast, have a beer, go to work, etc. Regardless of some anonymous person on the internet hundreds of miles away is being a jerk or not. Trust me, If I can refrain from cursing on here anyone can.

ok sorry for swearing m8

+BallZakc cumber bun dosen't help much placing it over another set of soft armor. In fact it dosen't help much at all anymore. Companies have figured out how to make armor stay put without sucking it to you with a big piece of uncomfortable elastic. I've had body armor with a cummerbund system and without. I'd much prefer the ones designed without.

I'm guessing some of that got lost in translation there, but I'm glad you liked the video.

+Army Price 10x12's. I was a little surprised they fit being they are the polyethylene plates that are about an inch thick.

Sgt. Awesome The one that comes with Chapstick and a multitool? I'm sure the rig could get the job done, but let's not confuse just carrying a bunch of stuff with being prepared. If you don't carry a multitool normally the chances of you using it in a critical incident are pretty slim. The Chapstick I don't even have words for.

I work for a rather large, rather "rough" local jurisdiction.

thanks just wondering. hope you stay safe out in the field

No problem, stop on by anytime.

+Julio Lua I honestly don't know. Most guys carrying these around have some sort of official capacity in which they are engaged. "Police", "Security", "Sheriff", "EMS", "EMT", " F.F./paramedic", "MEDIC", "Tactical MEDIC" "Military Police" and the like. I've heard retired guys have the same debate before about ID in an emergency. They generally conclude that they don't want to go to jail for impersonation and so don't want to carry gear around with "police" on it. Some say that in the *highly* unlikely event that they should need such equipment just going about their regular everyday retired life that they would just risk taking blue on blue. Those guys, in my opinion, have balls. Talk about being in it for the love of the game. Not to dissuade you from buying cool stuff (I love cool stuff too), but in the unlikely event of you happening upon an active shooter in your every day life current data suggests that you and everyone around you are better off engaging the shooter immediately with whatever you have on you. Plan accordingly.

+free field training thanks I appreciate the advice

+Julio Lua you are very welcome.

+Julio Lua I know a guy who put "Innocent Bystander" on his. While funny, it's true. lol

Julio Lua they make patches that say "CCW" it looks official enough and won't get you into trouble because CCW just means concealed carry weapon.

+Docster12 I don't copy

you could attach a small-medium size pouch on the rear of the vest, added cargo/ammunition capacity for you and your fellow officers, at the expense of a little extra weight

+Docster12 Ah, yes, I've seen those. Here is the issues with them to keep in mind though. Affixing the pouch to the back of the armor means that to get to the stuff inside you will need somone else's help or to take the armor off. As current thought is leaning towards a single officer response to active shooters that might not prove to be an expedient way to access gear. There is also just the general issue of weight. People often disregard the fact that everything weighs something and that weight adds up. Five AR mags is five extra pounds. Five pounds isn't much, unless you are already carrying fifty. You have to draw the line somewhere. Lastly, by putting a non easily removable pouch to the back of your armor you are pretty well killing your ability to operate a car if needed with the armor on. As it is this setup makes it extremely hard to fit behind the wheel of any vehicle. So, what are we gaining by adding a back pouch and is it worth what we are losing? Only you can decide for you.

They are itw fastmags. The cool guy gear of five years ago, lol.

+ZErO GRaViTY 👍 thanks for watching!

I'm pretty sure it is by Grey ghost gear

+kevin Delport no, small arms ammunition is not volatile unless contained in the chamber of a gun. It will not explode or detonate if hit by a bullet.

We wear soft vests that stop handgun bullets on everyday work but in an active shooter threat or a high risk warrant we throw on a plate carrier to stop rifle ammo

Ricky Ball if you have time to get to your car, leave.

+Mike G That is great advice honestly.

+Mike G keep in mind though that some people are going G to be staging a vest in their office or locker when they work at a large facility.

free field training that's a great point, I live in a very liberal area and I'm pretty sure carriers aren't even allowed for civilians, so storing this in your workplace seems so foreign to me. Thanks for the videos, keep it up.

+Mike G That body armor should be legal to own anywhere in the US as far as I'm aware.

Likely hood of needing them is about zero.

You mean in the event you deploy an AR-15 ???

I already have three mags on my belt. I'm doubting ill get through those if I have a rifle out.

True actually, thanks for the reply

+jeepneydriver7 It is exclusively for work and as such is deductible.