We never had bonuses for doing our job. Why for ministers for doing their job?

totally agree - I'm on your team@@foxcub6795

It's sick that 700 people were given criminal convictions with no evidence. Criminals protecting criminals

If they're truly that sorry then one would think that the best way in which this can be demonstrated is to return the bonuses that they had, clearly unjustifiably, received. These bonuses could be used as a basis for compensating people that were wrongly accused. Simple.

Tom cooper does not look one ounce sorry.the greedyguts he is!

@Jonbombs..he is good and thorough....have watched him before. Darren Jones is MP for Bristol North I believe. They are super lucky to have such a sensible person...someone with intelligence for once!

​@@janetmalcolm6191indeed. Rare to see an MP who actually seems very competent and no surprise to see he was a former lawyer. A sorry state where this MP, who for my money represents the standard required, seems absolutely head and shoulders above a lot of the current crop

I agree.

future pm

Oh, he is, Jon - I've seen him dissect these crooked individuals before....there's no-one close to his exacting standard.

Here here well said

this happens worldwide, i worked for many years in South African gold mines and saw on many occasions how gold bullion figures were altered to say there was more gold dispatched than what really was so that the top brass get a bigger bonus while we artisans who kept the gold plant running some months never even received our bonuses, the top knobs received massive bonuses, same as the Telekom company in SA, they work at a loss but the CEO gets millions of SA Rands a year bonus,

THAY SHOULD HAVE ALL THERE ASSETS TAKEING OF THEM TO PAY FOR THERE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.

Sovereign citizen filth are protected by the collective brain trust

Errors? When they were talking about the post masters they called it theft.

Other senior government employees, such as those in the HM Forces, are cashiered for their misdemeanours and lose their pension rights and honours - a rather more painful outcome for them!! What other organisations use Horizon ???

Definitely lose their jobs and pay back their bonuses and charge them with being dishonest.

Yup and still ppl think thatcher and Reagan were amazing! As if! ✌

Gangsters run through Westminster and all of their friends. It / they are a cult and are against the public.

Put postmasters on the remuneration committee? 😳😳🤔🤔

The Post Office is state-owned, so by your logic, it's actually proof that nationalisation is nothing more than a criminal racket.

New Labour has no plans to change this.

It will be now

It never happen they get knighthoods and peerages for it

Because the courts have done so well with the sub post masters cases?

It won’t happen, they operate in a different class to us. ‘Lessons will be learned’ though, and that’ll be the end of it. We f**ked up but because it wasn’t malicious we can apologise and walk away without incurring personal consequences.

Yep. It's fraud isn't it at the least. If they didn't know, that's almost worse: it's corporate manslaughter: negligence has caused the death of employees and several of them. Either way jail time. The UK must stamp out this level of corruption.

There needs to be a Police investigation to ascertain which people acted illegally and in particular those who knowingly lied in court when giving evidence. Prosecutions can then follow.

​@@jjefferyworboys8138There is.

A lot of apologies. I wonder if the faults with horizon being acknowledged would have affected bonuses

Asset stripped with bailif called

Trouble is the Rev Paula's and her buddies have moved on. These are new bums on seats.

Because there aren’t many politicians with legal experience to know how to examine and cross-examine witnesses. Let alone politicians who even care enough the study a situation fully enough to know what questions to ask be they ex lawyers or not

Because many politicians are of the same ilk as these thieving bastards!

He does his job impeccably 👍

Brilliant straight talking man pity there were not more like him a decent man not many around Greed corruption rule in this world

@mclingo1300....excellent idea! These bosses are inept at their jobs but the money for them keeps pouring in for nothing exceptional.

100% correct.

No arrest them then put them in prison like the innocent postmasters who lost everything.

I remember the days when even letters with incomplete addresses were delivered somehow. My recent post went AWOL after going into the box.. ...can you get through to complain...NO. something always not working with that.. so no bonuses please. Customer Service is non existent.

yes

Massive contrast there isn’t there! It’s a shame Darren didn’t actually say the words, so it’s one rule for you and another rule for the postmasters

Exactly!

So many people in positions of power are absolutely tone deaf on that matter, only interested in saving their own skins and not actually helping all the people wrongly accused. Even after he said that about the people wrongly accused not being given the chance to just apologise, the last woman still went ahead and put out her lip service apology with no meaning behind it

It's the way the human race has evolved. Look after number 1. Most of us commenting would probably take advantage if fortunate enough to be in the same situation. I'm not justifying their actions, just highlighting what a sad world we live in.

Everyone who apologized just made themselves a bigger target. Thats what i think

Now that they've been discovered falsely awarding themselves bonuses....Surely they have to return the money??

@@dj_cakes doubt it, they donate to the tories no doubt. There’s billions missing in fraud and Rishi Sunak is prosecuting the small guys.

​@@dj_cakesNope. Unless sued or criminally charged.

always the case

Yep, one of my friends went down for two years over this, he's never said what or if he'd had any compensation, infact he won't talk about it.

Best around, no misleading flim - flam, straight to the point, he can identify the disingenuous dialogue, and shred it mercilessly. The amount of pathetic apologies here, from people who knew they were deceitful at the time is Jones' meat and drink. Want to see much more of him.

this happens worldwide, i worked for many years in South African gold mines and saw on many occasions how gold bullion figures were altered to say there was more gold dispatched than what really was so that the top brass get a bigger bonus while we artisans who kept the gold plant running, some months never even received our bonuses, the top knobs received massive bonuses, same as the Telekom company in SA, they work at a loss but the CEO gets millions of SA Rands a year bonus,

Agree fully

Got to wonder where all the money they stole from there own employees went, these employees they made pay the shortcoming that were falsely created by there faulty IT system, hundreds of thousands of pounds, they bankrupt these people.... Where did all this Money go !..... likely answer... in the pockets of the bosses that covered up this massive issue spanning over 20yrs!!!

clown big bonuses post office pay cut

bosses take a pay cut

and promotions.local council roundabouts always lead to increased pay/bonuses

What's bets Paula Vennels couldn,t give a flying F**K about loosing her " Honour", but prison time and loosing her I'll gotten wealth would serve the public better!.

Sorry 2 months later, but they did push it through and did get the payments!

To be fair, he didn't say what he was sorry for. I imagine that he was sorry that they got caught out.

And when do WE get the money stolen back ?

100% , charged and monies taken back off them. Hollow apologies, eat humble pie and then jet off to their villa in France. White collar criminals

Absolutely Mark but have they returned their bonuses 😮

If this was a perceived, 'low level' public servant, i.e., Police Constable, etc, would they have been prosecuted for 'mischievance in public office' or similar? Secondly, how can such supposedly intelligent high office individuals so easily miss such obvious errors? Thirdly, have they voluntarily repaid their bonus?

The upper levels of this organisation should be fined ,stripped of their job and pension rights ,sued by all t(e postmasters for false allegations that led to their life changing ordeal ,,,,they can’t get the time back or the job to which they loved all because of a form of embezzlement at the cost of workers life’s and jobs they trusted the Royal Mail in

like prison food

They used the money they got off these innocent people to pay themselves the bonus,

The Government should be held to account for allowing the obscene greed & criminality to continue in the Post Office, what happened to corporate responsibility ,that was obviously all hot air

I dont know this man but i completely love him. What a brain!

well you say that but if he was truely outstanding the inquiry wouldn't simply end and then forgotten. if in tommorows press it said that darren jones has reported a crime then i would agree but we all know that won't happen

Love him he takes no prisoners

true. In Hungary it looks like this: Opposition MP: Why did this and that happen? Government official: Just because. Minister: You should first disclose how you could afford buying a pencil in 1986!!! PM: Merry Christmas!

When they are caught they just apologise and carry on regardless. The guy in this video is an arrogant bastar*d who isn’t fit to hold his position. No wonder the postal workers detest him.

Thieving, lying weasels.

this happens worldwide, i worked for many years in South African gold mines and saw on many occasions how gold bullion figures were altered to say there was more gold dispatched than what really was so that the top brass get a bigger bonus while we artisans who kept the gold plant running some months never even received our bonuses, the top knobs received massive bonuses, same as the Telekom company in SA, they work at a loss but the CEO gets millions of SA Rands a year bonus,

They get promoted again and again, falling upwards.

It seems only the plebs get Criminal prosecutions.

Better to say Political Stooges, they are all bloody corrupt.

Its circular, there are still leaders. Simply enforce the system to bring them to enquiries. Good to have this on camera, we the public need to keep this up and the press

The wrong people are in control of everything. Nothing will change until enough of us wake up to this and say NO and are willing to do something about it. Easy enough for me to type this into a keyboard but in today's world I can't see enough people waking up.

Remember the lies perpetrated by these traitors in government about the "Safe and effective vaccine", Here's some info if you weren’t aware Definition in dictionary’s prior to September 2021....a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce IMMUNITY to a specific disease, PROTECTING the person from that disease After September 2021 this was altered to....A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Two very different definitions....lie upon lie upon obfuscation followed by more lies....Nuremberg 2.0...This'll probably get censored but they can't censor us all YET!!! More evidence of these blatant Corporate enemies of the people...KHUNTS.

The leadership in this country has been rotten for years. Self-serving, self-sustaining, Labour or Conservative (elections make no difference); if you're 'in the club', they'll 'see you right'. Golden hellos, golden goodbyes... these people are never called to account, they'll never apologise, meanwhile the workers continue to get screwed, and blamed.

Revolution? NO THANKS. I'm going to vote Labour instead

Did they actually say that in court or just to the Post Masters themselves ?

It's also sickening that the National Federation of Subpostmasters, notionally the victims' trade union, parroted the line, and threw their members under the bus.

Because or they had 1000 separate courts or the court has no memory about their full time job?

For everything that they were going through to be told that 'they were the only ones' must have added insult to injury. You must have felt like that you were going mad! There CEO's will walk off into other jobs and come away with a nice pension. Makes me so angry!.

British justice is a joke. This is normal. Talk talk talk that's it guaranteed.

In many other countries the penalties would have been severe. Error or no error…

I wonder what percentage salary increases they got too?

Because only the little people get prosecuted.

@@markhusinka4952 ⬅Dalit

They are reflecting the shit poor government that we have

Our tax is for the rich to become richer

​@@tabularasa7775it's more mental you don't think it is.

@@tabularasa7775 you really do have a spurious grasp (at best) on the subject being discussed. Maybe save yourself the future embarrassment and save your opinions for your kids?💋

Except for politicians and bureaucrats it apparently is enough to just go “oh well I said sorry, let’s all just move on and get over it”.

Why do they need bonuses do their job? The post men at ground level should get all the bonuses as they actually do the work !

​@christophery8927 His answer seemed to be:"because we had some work to do [so that's why we need huge bonuses]"

The posher the accent, the more immoral the person. 🤬

Ignorance of the law is no plea of excuse. For the little man.

Darren Jones. Excellent work again.

@mikel8850 you must be joking , he asks questions no one else thinks of ...

Very well spot on by exposing the corruption.

@mikel8850 Found the tory panicking that his party is going down the shitter

Darren Jones to head future enquiries across government and corporate life ... Pin them down.. The only thing he didn't say was if it wasn't deliberate what are a bunch of incompetent fools doing in positions at board level in the post office

If apologies can get these PO liars who are guilty of corporate manslaughter we are heading down a very slippery slope where soon murderers will be able to enter a plea of Sorry to avoid going to jail. Sorry slips off the tongue so easily and doesn't mean or change a thing.

False information presented to govt smells a little bit like fraud, also they're still dealing with the postmaster fiasco with all the delaying tactics so could you imagine how long that case would take?

@@mikel8850 the fraudulent aquisiton of wealth? Accounting fraud is a crime with up to 7 years imprisonment. (as the MP mentioned in the beginning) These people got quite a bit of extra money that they didnt earn by "conveniently forgetting" part of the process. (and/or having those who work for them forgett...)

too busy roughing up protestors I imagine.

i think there corrupt also they all sleep in the same bed they just dress differently

Aren't they ?

There's a class of people whose second nature is lying and deception, it's mad how they all scratch each others backs most of the time until one of them steps too far out of line.

Exactly what I was thinking Like naughty children with their hand in the cookie jar and then pretending that they weren’t sure what the rules were.

You are SO right. I am so sickened by these people. Their blatant insincerity is utterly abhorent!

It's so interesting to see how it all works, though, isn't it. They are caught out bang to rights, but they're still able to talk the talk with the utmost assurance in their cut glass accents. This is really all it takes to become senior executives in business today. Moral probity: forget it!

Psychopaths caught red-handed, they know their excuses are feeble. The sincerity of all their apologies is so transparently fake. Galling on so many levels.

But they apologised for the fraud, sorry, errors…

ALL of those that lied need to go to prison

A proper Police investigation is needed, not trail by media,

@@jjefferyworboys8138hillsborough tried police 30 plus years ago…the governments can sweep anything under a carpet even manslaughter/murder!

​@@jjefferyworboys8138the police have been investigative for a half decade, yet all this bombshell evidence is from the media

Sounds like he is in the wrong party

He is on the shadow front bench. He’s shadow chief sec to HMT. Starmer loves him, he’s put forward on sky news breakfast every week by him as Labour rep spokesman.

It's certainly not unique to the UK and in comparison to many countries they are saints.

Yes...and the arrogant nits are so self righteous. Get a posh job and think you are above everyone.

And the post office employees have to pay legal costs to get their compensation. If this is British justice then it's time for a big reset. Errors, apologies and mistakes!! Criminal courts cases are the only solution to stop this disgraceful state of affairs.

Errors would be one thing, but this is way, way beyond errors.

If I was so prone to (self-serving) errors, I'd be out of a job. But it's a different story for the bosses.

These public servants are just on the gravy train, the government gives money and their hand digs into the money pit and leaves virtually nothing left for services.

@@ronaldmasters1225 Bonuses for making mistakes! They speak like they made a spelling error in a word document. Would they really apologize if not in front of a committee.

@@ronaldmasters1225 Although I was against privatisation, once it happened me & a lot of my colleagues thought the business would get better. It’s got 100 times worse and the company’s been run by people who think they own it. The CEO who brought it to his knees, resigns then still gets his wages, bonuses, help to reintegrate into another job. A package over £500,000 shows why this company is in a mess. There needs to be a police & Government inquiry into the corruption of Thompson, Williams, McAuley & the whole board who must’ve agreed to it.🤬🤬

@@arnolduk123 Absolutely not. If they got away with it this year they would’ve taken more the following years.

How Western Corporations work nowadays. CEO fails get's golden handshake then moves to a different CEO position rinse and repeat. Excuses they give are always corporate bullshit, 'we're sorry', we had other priorities we screwed up and then it wasn't our fault we paid external consultants to tell us how we could make more money personally and then we voted on it personally. Metrics told us other Corps were doing it so we thought we could get away with it too. We made mistakes we failed but we'll keep our jobs despite they fact if a lowly worker had made similar mistakes we'd have sacked them. Same when a scandal occurs 'should never have happened we're sorry but now we now about it we're going to make sure it doesn't happen again' - it happened on your watch the first time which to me implies you aren't worthy of the position in the first place because if you cared it wouldn't have happened to that extent in the first place. If they wanted to do the right thing why even offer 'incentivisation' in the first place. You get paid to do a job do it... Only the little people get screwed as always.

He has his work cut out for him with the Tory party.

Enough of that shit, the Post Office was just as bad under the last Labour Government as well. Everyone talks a good game about how the other side is dropping the ball but no one is better than the other, Labour are in no position to criticise anyone about mismanagement of money given their last turn almost crashed our economy, never mind the billions spent on a fake war by Blair. Unions are to blame here, in bed with Labour who need their support, in league with the Tories to keep the peace. Don't be fooled by people like Mick Lynch who get paid fortunes to feign horror at the plight of the workers only to do backroom deals at the eleventh hour to stave off disaster knowing full well part of those deals is not to question bonuses until the next pre-planned upheaval. It's all bullshit, smoke and mirrors to keep the masses suitably enraged for short bursts to let the majority of underhand stuff slip under the radar.

Except that neither party is that much different. We need a new election system where individual votes count, rather than manipulating everybody to think a vote for a new party is a wasted vote. Why are we any different than a dictatorship if we only have 2 parties that are very similar in policies?

​@@secret7jhkjhjkhkjh747while I agree we need a new system with more competition, the current Conservative party is CLEARLY worse than Labour, hands down. Name one thing Labour has been found legally guilty of that's worse than Partygate, the illegal Rwanda scheme, lying to parliament, lying to the Queen, breaking the Good Friday Agreement, breaking Human Rights laws, etc.

I don't understand why he would not be a suitable candidate for PM@@MrRufus302

They don't think they are going to jail. They do seem to be confident of that. It does need to be jail time.

It'll keep happening until its punished

Someone lower down the pecking order will end up as a scapegoat.

Apparently a top shagger too

Check what expenses he claimed before you state how honourable and honest he is.

What expenses did he claim, please?@@cheistiandunn7988

@@cheistiandunn7988 you insinuate that there’s something amiss with his expenses. I’ve just taken a look, both the IPSA website and his own. Seems open and above board to me.

Tory Britain

Hate the word elite. Not elite just asshats

Nothing elite about them

@@fgcpeak9591 only in the sense they have most of the money and power

They are not very clever actually

@@Bobbibouchersmumwasright Actually they are very clever, there bank accounts would verify that.

@@felbomber1948 loooooool man make money money does not make man… or prove ability … it’s usually birth name and privilege. Don’t get it confused Tory boy.

loooooool Man money does make you a man, a rich one, and it would certainly prove you had the ability to at the very least to be successful in making money, and who told you that its usually birth name, and privilege only that would make you well off, May be you should look at someone like Richard Branson, No university, did not finish Secondary school, has Dyslexia, started with magazine called Student, was failing so, Virgin mail orders records was born, and so on Man, By the way Tory Boy, wrong don't vote for Tory or Labour, don't need either Government, my self education, and poor family up bringing gave me the ability to succeed in business, its called self belief. Cancel Reply

"Errors were made" so the executives were paid handsome bonuses on false information. The executives were not so forgiving to the postmasters falsely accused of fraud by the Horizon IT scandal.

Yeah, it is an impressive ability he has. You can tell he holds these people in contempt but he behaves with dignity.

He was an excellent solicitor before he became an MP

Pity as good as DJ obviously is, the end result is mostly rhetoric from the rats he interviews.

He’s one of the best if not thebest

Nepotism seems the most likely cause. Also, class preference exists still.

Because they are chosen from a very limited of pool of old school tie wearers and close chums.

@@priscillaroberts7945 exactly. We said the same thing but I think you’ve said it better than me.

Privatised roles

freinds of the tory party

You won't get far in politics being honest and professional

ETHICS IS THE MOST NOBEL STANCE ON EARTH

@@BrianMorrisPhoto and the poorest too

.. and WOMEN.

Why do you put the word 'innocent' in inverted commas? These decent sub-postmasters and sub-postmistresses didn't just claim to be innocent. They _were_ completely innocent of any wrongdoing.

It’s not just businesses, it’s Civil Servants who have spending taxpayers’ money access ability. This is why it’s kept out of the courts.

im sorry but .............................................always a but

@@MrRufus302 Sadly, you don't know the UK legal system. To answer your question, the last person I saw to resign from what they thought was an untenable position was Lord Charrington in 1982. He was foreign secretary and failed to forsee the Argentine invasion of the Falklands. Nowerdays, as we have seen on both sides of the Atlantic, almost nothing will prevent people like Johnson and Trump doing anything they want to. It didn't always be that way, but is now. We even have Truss giving after-dinner speeches and her views reported in the media when she alone almost destroyed the UK economy in 43 days, and her actions have resulted in thousands of people losing their homes.

While tracking the poor postal workers who are not walking fast enough and then intimidating them. This COUNTRY STINKS!

@@stephenreeds3632 imho too many people at the top see us at the bottom as ignorant lazy uppity slaves who need them to ‘incentivise’ us to work harder for longer to pay for their privilege. Their word is their bond, their status is all they need to be believed, and an apology erases all ’mistakes’, whereas the workforce and customers at the bottom are routinely hounded, ruined and jailed. Look at our water, electricity, public transport, the TV license thugs, the PPE profiteering, the list is endless and we all know about it, but apparently only if a TV drama shows it to the world will they be shamed enough to even acknowledge that there may be ‘issues’. But the bonuses, rewards and accolades flow anyway. It’s sickening.