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I really like this team. Really good merger of personalities, under a well constructive brand. Subtly subversive. Great voice

The other day James Cleverly was telling everyone how privileged they should feel because the King is allowing them to swear allegiance to him.

It was supposed to be an extra £9,000 on top of what was needed before Trussonomics. Starmer may have misspoken - but he's not an idiot - he knows how much an average house costs. Does Sunak?

"King Charles should open an OnlyFans account" Gold, I cracked up, Genius!! Loving this format where you all speak freely

Amazing that Shell and supermarkets are making massive profits but inflation is blamed on pay increases.

"You know you are on camera" was a classic moment!

I was asked to pay 12 months rent upfront in Greater Manchester. Love, if I could afford 12 months rent in one I WOULDN’T BE RENTING!

Loving this first episode of the podcast guys, keep up the great work :)

My grandson has saved for a decade, he’s 27 this year, still lives with mummy and the houses go up in price faster than he can save. Houses are for the rich. Barb

You missed an important word. Starter said 9k more, not 9k overall

Starmer never talks about council housing and he should

Shame to waste all that time arguing the deposit amount due to Keef’s mistake of missing a word - without realising it ? £9k MORE , MORE, MORE !!

This is what happened to my wife and I. We moved to St. Helens so we could buy a home. We are lucky, we love it here, the people are great. But, I didn't wish to move north. I had a unique job making high end leather goods that I still miss.

These are great guys! I wish these were the conversations in pubs. Unfortunately few people have intelligent informed conversations like these in our country any longer 😕

The 9k figure is from a recent report that concluded that new deposits will need an additional £9,000 - He just didn't quote it properly.

Great first podcast can't wait for more love you guys

Really enjoyed the first ep, good balance of opinions Excited to see where the podcast goes.

Nice one! Good point at the end of the podcast, about the option of opting out of contributing to the royals - there is actually a (similar) precedent for this mechanism; in Denmark a 1% Church Tax is added to the taxes on your payslip, which you can simply opt out of . atb

Starmer said it was “an ADDITIONAL £9,000”

Loving the 1st topic. Like the lady said, my family started in zone 2 of Vicky Park of London and now we're on the border of Essex. And also no one wants to move halfway across the country to own a home. And what happens is that those people who live in the areas that people want to move to, now can't afford to even live there. So it's a vicious cycle.

With all respect to Keir Starmer, he STILL comes across as a 'Tory Lite'. Give me Jeremy Corbyn!

This was good but I need more. Is this gonna be weekly because 35 mins is not enough for me?

This podcast was fab! Really enjoyed it - informative but also gave me a good laugh - you three are excellent together! Can’t wait for more

Love this format and the discussion, however I dearly want to see an episode of this where you are all drilling the pints 🍻 cheers

Well done PoJoe, great first ep, had me laughing and crying in equal measure! 😂 Thanks.

Many jobs have been lost in cities. When i was young we had civil service jobs, masses of jobs in the aero industry, in chemicals, in pharmaceticals, fishing, the docks . This is a Northern city which has lost lots and lots of well paid work. Rents need capping.

It’s strange how keir starmer isn’t even in office and yet we’re scrutinising him on levels we’re not even doing to the current PM in office right now, actually making decisions that affect people today.

Make universal credit equal to the average MP's pay. At the moment its less than there days pay per month..

In my home town in the North East, Morrisons and Tesco are most certainly profiteering from shoppers. This makes my bodily fluids boil!

that intro hahaha

Novara says £9k was the increase, not the amount needed for a deposit

I grew up in Belper - small town in Derbyshire - house prices are astronomical

One of the best things Blair and his government did was sure start.

The awful prices aren't just limited to London. I am from Aberdeen, our first 2bed flat was 22K deposit in 2014, which we moved into with friends to be able to afford the mortgage. God knows how bad it is nowadays.

Ava’s subscription idea is genius 😂

Awesome. Really enjoyed this and the three of you are great together. Look forward to watching this on the regular.

Great discussion. On deposits for rent, if you’re on benefits you’re generally expected to pay 6 months up front. Some places don’t accept benefits claimants at all so you will probably be told you’re lucky to get anywhere at all. Where I live that means a deposit of several thousand Pounds.

You'll get much better pints than that away from London too 😉. And they won't cost £15.

I was born in Epsom and raised in Merton (Morden, SM4)....my parents didn't buy our council house when they moved in 1987/88...they could have had it for £40k-ish in 1994/5...now it's easily £500k+...and yet nothing really had changed dramatically around the area. I now live in Banbury Oxon where we (partner and child) own a bungalow with a huge garden @£956 pm mortgage but I've econnomically 'ended up here' after living in Oxford when I was at uni. I do not miss South London one bit and I'd be a damm sight more depressed if I could just about afford to survive there let alone thrive there.

,, just to point out that people over 40 have kids in uni' so very much give a shit about how economics effects young people and are also living with debt accrued while studying themselves. ..

I'd say that not only graduates have the need to buy a property.

Anticipating a crossover with the deprogram podcast

Look at Cornwall for housing you can’t get a house for £90k. In my village you can’t get a house for less than £350k

I’m invested after the first four words

I don't understand how does London continue to work? How do people in retail, hospitality, cleaners afford to live anywhere near?

Starmer said the average deposit had INCREASED BY £9k

The frustrating thing was that the solution was the post world war 2, prefab homes, and government supply land. Moreover, there needs to be a look at land and house banking, where alot of properties are laying empty. On top of this, there needs to be taxation of 2nd homes etc. The question is do labour have the abilities to be radical in their housing policies?

Awsome first pubcast!

Didn't starmer say it was an EXTRA 9K that first time buyers would need thanks to Truss n Kwarteng.

What Starmer meant was that since the Truss budget 1st time buyers, on average, now have to find an ADDITIONAL 9 grand. He failed to nail the point unfortunately.

Support your podcasts but why concentrate on middle class people buying what about working class people buying!

We have such little new big infrastructure because 1. there’s such massive backlash towards its 2. We don’t have massive organised unit to build big project in Uk like a HS3/4, Irish Sea Bridge, Crystal Palace etc. and 3. The expense is so high especially with minimal investment 4. Policy isn’t pushed to change any this

Starmer was refering to the additional amount required for first time buyers, not the total an additional 9k required because of the Truss Budget Disaster, 9k on top of the amount previously required for a deposit (before Truss)

Ava, he said 9k more!!! 😂

A minute in and straight to the politics, I miss the old pubcast before the war

The problem goes a lot deeper than simply making a house just affordable enough that you can pay a deposit. Firstly, because the 5 x salary rule means low earners have to save more to get a deposit. And secondly, because you're still faced with the spectre of paying off a debt burden for decades, without the job security or pension security of years past. Add to that, the shrinking headroom of a profit on investment, and the best you can hope for is hopefully owning that home to live in in old age. The old days of profiting off your houses are gone, and yet people are still asking to become mortgage slaves. We need a new system.

Brilliant. Going straight to watch #2.

This was perfect. 10/10 no notes

I put down 9k for my deposit and it was a shared ownership agreement on a one bed flat. That was 15%

Nice one - stop being so mean to Ed though!

We are thick. And unbelievably greedy and individualistic. Even if a labour government gets in, after 4-8 years, the swing voting public will switch from red to blue at the drop of a hat, for the promise of tax cuts. And the whole cycle of services being drained dry will begin anew.

Damn I got lucky. I quite like rural Wales and earn enough from painting portraits and doing the odd bit of accounts to buy a house. There’s bugger all here though and it’s an hour round trip to the gallery I work with but for a guy who used to sleep under an old piano on the floor that’s pretty good.

Don't know where you think all these cheap houses in villages are- all holiday lets and second homes round here, and many other areas too.

love podcasts hate nonsense welcome to the politics Joe Pub cast

Might be the lighting, but those pints look weak, almost like coloured water or apple juice. Come on get a proper pint in there for the next one!

My mate had to pay 8 grand for 6 months upfront rent. It's fucking ridiculous

👍. Already have it bookmarked ready for my listening schedule.

This was great! Adding you to my feed

I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the Labour Party had elected David rather than Ed Milliband. I think they fucked up

Energy and food companies should be regulated about how much they charge for services and goods. They should be windfall taxed retrospectively for the rip off that they have done in the last two years and the regulated so they CANNOT repeat the same robbery again.

Same up in Scotland (which also exists). Glasgow and Edinburgh are extremely expensive. A nice 1 bedroom flat in somewhere like Shawlands in Glasgow is going for £150K.

According To Novara it was a study which said the avarage deposit has gone UP by 9k. So yeah low balled it amazingly badly!

No excuses .. Starmer is corrupt and a liar.

If there were sensible rental regulation and mass social housing builds, people wouldn't need to buy property.

Don't know if someone's pointed this out before, but when Labour brought in Newtowns in the 1950's, they had a Newtown Authority that rented properties in the town out to individuals and businesses. This profit went to the Authority so that it could develope the infrastructure you were talking about, libraries, council offices, NHS hubs. This was all taken away very rapidly as soon as Thatcher got into power. So you'll see older Newtowns with infrastructure but the later ones from the 70's without much. 😊

Ava - 28 mins in Good girl! 😂🎉

Great job guys

Best podcast ever

Can you do these live please? Would love to come down! Maybe you can do 15mins of QA at the end...

He. Starmer, was talking about £9000 extra on a deposit since Truss crushed the economy! You numpties!!!

Didn't he say an 'additional 9k'. Additionally at this very moment in time, there are 661 properties for sale in Liverpool for 90k or less, 93 in Manchester, and 181 in Birmingham.

At least once he did explain that it was an extra 9 grand, not total. I don’t know if he misspoke another time but it’s all there in the pmqs recording. Either way this is still a good video. Edit: it’s at 8:35

I wish it was a £9K deposit for a place, I was hoping so hard

What about the people who have no chance whatsoever of ever dreaming of ever owning a home even going to University. Thought I understood what this channel was about. Sounds to me on this one that's it all about struggling professionals.

Yeah ok this is just the vibe I need in a pubcast. And holy fuck is it refreshing to not be subjected to ten minutes of pre- and postamble lol. You just going "yeah we're done now cya bye" felt like a breath of fresh air.

“No king but Jesus” got me fucking good, I’ve got to say. As a staunch republican, it stoked a little ember.

Its not just the cities guys... even living in a town or village costs £170k minimum in kent..

Brilliant first episode. I would have loved to have lived in London but just could not afford it, even Exeter and Bristol are out of reach now. I just wish politicians would address second homes and buy to lets, no one is talking about it.

Great fucking start….. looking forward to this. Cheers troops

Like it. Keep up the good work kids.

Enjoyed that.

13:20 💯 interest should be non existent on student loans

I like politics joe, but I'm only 5min into your podcast and it's turned into an exercise in navel staring. About 90% of the working population aren't doctors or managers! Who are you trying to appeal to? Who are you speaking to? It makes me wonder what your demographic is! Bewildering! Keep up the good work.

Thank you for leaving in 28:25

6:57 I could have sworn that this is illegal. A landlord or letting agent cannot charge a fee for viewings or “administrative costs”.

Great podcast, though I’d love to know what houses you can buy in Oxfordshire for £85,000!

I understood that Starmer was saying the £9k was the average EXTRA needed for a deposit since Truss crashed the mortgage market, not that £9k was the average deposit now.

Kier didn't lowball, he was saying EXTRA not total deposit.

The problem is if people are able to move to areas where the properties are cheaper then the prices will just go up. A lot of people moved from centre London in the 1980's to places outside London but where they could still easily commute back into London for their better payed jobs. And they sold properties in London which meant they now had big deposits, equity which they could then use to put towards buying a bigger property or even buy outright. But this just increased the housing prices in those areas. It was only after John major buggered the economy & put us in a terrible recession in the 1990's that house prices came down a lot for a while. My sim only deal went up just over 17% this month, they basically said UK RPI inflation was just over 13% & they are adding an extra 3.9% on top of that, and this will continue to go up every May by 3.9% plus whatever the RPI rate is