If the Deluge had a screen like the euroburo I think it would be unstoppable in the groovebox space. Its grid makes the most painful part of the other grooveboxes (actually programming in your sequences) easy. I wish the deluge and the MC101 had an illicit affair and produced a lovechild...

don't worry: you don't actually need to buy more stuff, despite what society has you believe

Dude! The Deluge is so good once you get one in front of you. It very quickly becomes second nature.

@@martinthompson2584 it does / can now!

to be fair, I think if Benn put the Euroburo on the other side of the Hector, it'd be less in the way of the screen. Of course, then it'd get more in the way of the Euroburo, but I suppose that's the reality of having menu/deep UI's for modules.

@Anon O’Mous I get how it works just draping cables over the touch screen isnt my workflow, if you wanna see cables everywhere so be it

Just add blk/clear or colour coded Zip-Ties to open the space up! 😊

How do you like the ER-301? I contemplated buying one but am very hesitant.

@@elissitdesign I love it. I’ve built very nice sounding complex oscillators, Frippertronics delays with degrading tape like sound, drum modules. Lately I’ve been using it as a hub for the Euroburo and the Hector and other Eurorack effects. It’s so versatile but a bit of a head fuck at first.

Also, as I’ve seen you use the Squarp Pyramid, it can be midi controlled via the usb host and this works great and none of those stupid mini cables

TBH, I think Benn does make points that contrast the two, allowing one to determine which would better suit one's needs or preferences. I think his point that the two together make for a very complimentary and powerful tool is well argued.

@@wadehathawaymusic If the two are complementary or not is a debatable question. I agree with you that Jordan has made good points. I'm just saving time for people looking for a quick answer.

That’s a perfect scenario for the little palette or pod cases. It doesn’t have to be a huge investment. (But if I’m honest, you’ll probably get sucked in and end up spending lots because it’s a whole lot of fun)

I wouldn't say Zoia is more intuitive than the Beebo. Quite the contrary. The only onboard way that Zoia has to manually change parameters is to press the corresponding button and then twist the knob. Beebo has two knobs, but I prefer using the touch screen sliders. It also has the option to type in exact values on a virtual number pad. Of course, both devices have MIDI in ports so you can connect external controllers. Zoia also has an EXP in for expression pedals or other external controllers that utilize CV. Of course, I'm writing about the pedals here and not the rack units, which do differ in terms of control interface and connection ports.

Some people are into modular because they can tweak sounds on the fly and actually play their setups, but some are into it because they want the ability to really dial in anything they can dream up. Also presets really excite people in the later category because they can reference old ideas quickly which is one of modulars greatest weaknesses.

I’m looking for something like these to offload some computing for a smoother sound/more options and to reduce latency on a headphone mix when I use amp/cab sims and other effects when tracking. Plus these would fit nicely on my rack next to my interfaces, workstation, and preamps. Full modular tracking solution on a single rack.

I guess the real question is, "what is the joy of modular?". I honestly think the Zoia is a really good entry point for people to get into modular without breaking the bank. The Euroburo or pedal version are essentially a portable, small yet powerful modular environment for only 500-650 USD new and cheaper on the used market. Sure you don't have cables going everywhere and plugging things in, but the way you setup things is essentially the same type of workflow.

Depends on the size of your setup, the size you have available and what you want to achieve!

I am not a fan of the idea of bringing a modular setup to live shows, and I refuse to use a computer in my live music setup. Everyone has their own needs, and these would be perfect for me.

good news! it has "flip-screen" in the settings which works. i have it upside down in the lower right of my case and this keeps the cables out of the way of the screen. :-) I just noticed Ben's Hector still has inputs on right of screen and outputs on left...which got changed in a firmware update. If you're a guitar pedal owner, the right to left makes sense but most modular folk prefer left-to-right. I've found it doesn't like some hot signals (same as Happy Nerding FX Aid) so I also have an offset/level next to it to turn down some of the inputs, otherwise you may get clicks/noise on some audio input. i've got lots of little complaints about it but happy with it all-in-all and hopeful for the future. (ALSO, having those MI modules like Grids, Marbles, Rings...which i always wanted but don't have the room for is wonderful. I may still try and get some of them because nothing replaces knob-per-function but to have them as i need them is worth the price right there)

@@ianstearns ... damn, that was the thing stopping me from purchasing. Here goes!

@@alliefdxproductionservices5856 well, allow me to poor a *little* cold water. Things I dislike (but are not show stoppers): 1)It's more of a mini linux box than a module...it has a boot time of about 15 seconds. if you like just diving in once you turn your rig on, get ready to have a *little* patience. 2)it freezes/locks up more than I'd like. this usually means losing a patch you worked up. annoying! 3)CVs in and out for stuff like 1V/oct will need calibration. There are two modules which help with this but it's annoying compared to other modules where once calibrated/tuned you can mostly forget about that. 4)SOME things you feel should me modulat-able are not (i would have to dig to find an example) and so sometimes you have a fun idea which gets blocked because you can't pass one things output to another things input...which in modular feels like a sin. 5)The processor has 4 cores. It is not an AI so it's best guess on how to optimize/assign cores is not perfect. So...sometimes instead of patching a lot of stuff together (and then suddenly getting close to 100% DSP usage) you can break things into paths...route stuff to outputs and then patch the outputs back into other inputs. it's fun...but adds a little latency with each hop. CAN be disappointing depending on what you're trying to achieve. That's all my cold water. I trust most all these things can be fixed/addressed in time with updates and none of them are show stoppers for me. I bought it as an end of chain FX and mixer...and got a little disappointed because there's only 6 inputs. if you want to externally modulate with CV...you need to sacrifice inputs! MIDI helps a ton and i'm glad it has it. Once I stopped trying to force it into this duty, i really started enjoying it. Using it as a pedal and routing Pluck, or bass guitar, or anything else out...you can make some really lovely audio processing with it. I've made it a quick drum machine with 3 plaits and a grids internal. I've made weird noise generators. it is a pretty useful tool for solving some problems and for making a lot of other things in my rig sound/behave better. So, brace yourself for some imperfection but a lot of fun!

I was going to say if this is not already a thing it is a very easy feature, dev is very responsive, and it is a public repo so possible to make a pull request for this kind of function yourself.

Orrrrr just get flat cables like Tendrils or any other right angle cable with some length! Tbh I’m surprised Benn doesn’t use them here. He’s got a point about 3.5 MIDI not being the full show though. It feels like the Poly was made to interface with something that has aftertouch, but it just don’t. Oh well 🤷‍♂️

I own way more guitars than I do synths. 😉

And I know guitarists who want to put their sounds through synths to take advantage of all the modulation possibilities…

The Erica Synths 104hp Skiff (way too much space but good if you wanted to add something like a Bitbox or ES-9)

@@BennJordan Awesome. Funny enough I have been looking at both these devices to augment my matriach. The fact that they both are so powerful together kind of blew my mind !

Now I have the money to buy one of these... The Zoia is the one I've dreamt about, and I have a monsoon and a Penrose quantizer. BUT The Hector looks so cool, seems more intuitive to use, and it still has Rings on it. I don't have Rings yet. What can I do?!

As someone who thought I would likely never get into Eurorack because I'm really a fan of recalling patches for consistent live performances, I love this setup. When I next have a couple grand to blow on gear, I might get this exact rack. It would be incredibly fun and inspiring.

@@inthefade imo most of the appeal of eurorack is that it is transient. you make a thing, you break a thing, you never get that thing back. it's weird to break out from the computer only to arrive back there again in some other form. may as well bring a laptop with VCV rack installed and a couple of midi interfaces to control things with. might look less cool but will sonically (short of that empress reverb) get you to about the same place.

@@toiletfriend420 I want the euroburo as a modular groovebox (and also as a centerpiece for weird eurorack setups). If there was VCV for Android or Ipad I'd consider getting a tablet instead. Also polyphonic sequencing, I could sequence my Deep Mind from the rack, which I currently do with VCV. But Hector has mutable!! I'm sad upon discovering that Hector has Mutable, but I want the ZOIA...

What does digital sound like?

@@K3150 like Euroburo! Duh!

What do you mean, I think anything with the word Behringer on it is instant click magnet

Hey friend Uli delivered, it was very neat