Pontiac's 1969 Grand Prix: See the Original Design Proposals for Pontiac's Eventual Masterpiece!

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2 ай бұрын

Learn more about the design of the 1969 Grand Prix as we look at some original proposals for the vehicle.

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@fomfom9779
@fomfom9779 Ай бұрын
My favorite Grand Prix remains the 1963. I still remember seeing a navy blue beauty on the Pontiac dealer's front row as a boy.
@loumontcalm3500
@loumontcalm3500 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@mikeweizer3149
@mikeweizer3149 Ай бұрын
63 is beautiful but the 64 is the one that drives me up the wall when I see one!!!.​@loumontcalm3500
@MS-ig7ku
@MS-ig7ku Ай бұрын
Yes the first generation was the best.
@johnwebb167
@johnwebb167 Ай бұрын
Currently have a 63 GP Aquamarine Turquoise 389 Tri Power Automatic
@BingBangBye
@BingBangBye Ай бұрын
The first '63 GP I saw was in a dealer's showroom - white with a blue interior. I was there with my dad to pick up his '63 Olds 88, and no matter how much I pleaded with him, he wouldn't get the GP instead. Our relationship never recovered. God, I loved those aluminum wheels.
@thomass3769
@thomass3769 Ай бұрын
The noses on the various concepts , while extreme, still look better than the 1970-1971 Thunderbird.
@maxr4448
@maxr4448 Ай бұрын
I was 19 years old when I got to drive my Companies owners car down to LA to pick up a part, for a very special pool being built. His Car was a White new Gran Prix with Cranberry red vinyl top an interior. It had every option. It was a dream car. Drove awesome, and that Stereo was the best. I wish they made those today.
@HunterB738
@HunterB738 Ай бұрын
The stereo 😂😂😂
@eddstarr2185
@eddstarr2185 Ай бұрын
And the best part, Adam, the 1969 Grand Prix is just as beautiful inside as outside.
@audieconrad8995
@audieconrad8995 Ай бұрын
It certainly has stood the test of time.
@michaelnotigan7796
@michaelnotigan7796 Ай бұрын
69 is still the best for me, an immortal design that holds up today. The 76 has to be right up there with that waterfall grill while taking advantage of the new square halogen headlamps in what is now a classic onto itself. Don Hood..... that gentleman had a great eye for design, did he not?
@chuckymurlo5654
@chuckymurlo5654 Ай бұрын
I bought my father's '69 Grand Prix in '74 with maybe 66k on the clock for $500. The model J. He knew I loved that car, and someday, he'd sell it to me. 10 yrs later I sold it to a friend for the same amount. I asked if he would be willing to sell it back all these yrs later. "I couldn't afford it" he says! Then I'll😢 look out for a Model SJ 428ci with a 4speed ,AC,power windows,leather, variable ratio power steering. The Posi-trac 3.11 rear-end. Motor Trend called it "A tiger in a tuxedo"
@darrellsaunders4267
@darrellsaunders4267 Ай бұрын
I remember....during the gas crisis and Price increase, I recall seeing big engine muscle cars all over car lots going for 995.00...
@madmike2624
@madmike2624 Ай бұрын
Thank goodness for the final product!! Timeless and classic!!
@DanEBoyd
@DanEBoyd Ай бұрын
I actually prefer the later single headlight frontend - it looks more serious and formal to me. I like the boat-tail fine, but the earlier straight bumper and decklid are much cleaner looking. Some say that these are G bodies.
@IowaBudgetRCBashers
@IowaBudgetRCBashers Ай бұрын
I love grand prix’s from the first one to the end ones with the supercharged 3800.. 69-70 are some of my favorites
@garymuncy1778
@garymuncy1778 Ай бұрын
I bought the 1970 Grand Prix I still have it , 650,000 miles. Will never sell it !
@gregharvie3896
@gregharvie3896 Ай бұрын
Hi from Sydney, Australia. Good on You Gary, few people make a near lifelong commitment to their car ! I have a GM Holden, Aust' built pair of "kitcar" Cadillac Fleetwood Broughams, sent as CKD kits (completely knocked down) as they needed to be built as factory right hand drive vehicles. one a 1972 in white, the other a 1974 in black. They were cancelled as a product July 1974 when GMH-A created the premium longer wheelbase Holden Statesman Caprice (basically 5.2metre long Aussie Cadillacs). I have owned the black 1974 model now for 42 years, I was in my last year of high school in '74 , so I couldn't buy a new one, however it has 705,000 kilometers on it now, it had a mere 102,000 in '82 when I bought it the white '72 model had a mere 19,000 miles on it when in 1991 I bought that one, now it has 133,000 miles on it.
@paulparoma
@paulparoma Ай бұрын
That's unheard of! How many engines and transmissions have you gone through?
@user-pr8zn6iw5t
@user-pr8zn6iw5t Ай бұрын
@@gregharvie3896 very curious about the CKD cars. I never could understand how it was more cost effective to ship a car "knocked down" versus shipping the whole car.
@HunterB738
@HunterB738 Ай бұрын
Why do you lie?
@gregharvie3896
@gregharvie3896 Ай бұрын
@@user-pr8zn6iw5t Hi there, the answer is government compliancy. With American cars, to get one registered for road use after 1965 the car had to be manufactured as RHD (right hand drive). There were secondary issues as well, vehicle lighting brightness was a Aussie federally mandated issue, and high beam in the US was minimum allowable brightness for low beam here in Australia. Also we had rear amber indicators as from July 1959, and 32 candlepower clear front turn indicators from July 1959. US wiring harness was not able to be used to convey the lighting outputs legally mandated here in OZ. Also Australians had heavier duty suspension in all local cars, heavy duty sway bars too. So that when you compare a US 1974 Caddy service manual or glovebox manual to an Aussie one there are major differences. ---PLUS--- building the car here gave an Aussie a job, and the car company then did not have to pay the punitive imported luxury car tax which at time of sale was 44.75% of purchase price before any state tax/stamp duty (10%) was applied. Plus any "pieces" of a CKD car that came here from the US came in duty free as "spare parts" so there was a defined financial component by doing CKD vehicles. As a different example, for 32 years I owned a rare long wheelbase series 1 Jaguar XJ6 (as out of 98,000 cars in 5.5 years only 2,600 were LWB's spread between lhd/rhd, Jaguar/Daimler, 4.2 ltr 6cyl /5.3ltr 12 cyl and 352 Daimler v12 Van Den Plas versions) net around 300 of each variant. My Aussie spec version was steering, and suspension equipped as if it were a British Police high speed Motorway patrol car with heavy duty wiring, heavy duty suspension, and cast alloy, thick, heavy duty road wheels with hub caps, instead of lighter gauge pressed steel ones sent to near every other country and the UK/British home market. Also AS AN ASIDE. from 1986 to 2020 I owned an Aussie built 1965 Galaxie, for '65 & '66 we did not have identified Galaxie LTD's, however there was one, they came with a vinyl roof and the pale metallic green painted police enforcer 390ci v8 with dual 4bbl carbies, the side oil filler pipe and cast alloy "dome" topped rocker covers. I bought mine from its original owner and he hated vinyl roof coverings , so had that deleted on his order. in 2010 a mate imported a 1962 Lincoln Continental now we can drive LHD cars on historic rego. It was interesting to compare the two, as all of the Aussie built 1965,'66,'67 Galaxies used a RHD version of the 1961,'62,'63 Lincoln's dash panel. My mates Lincoln had manual crank windows, and my Galaxies' crank handles were those of /from a Lincoln, my Galaxie had used the same loop pile woolen carpet as in the Lincoln, my Galaxie uses the same hydraulic operation Lincoln wiper system too. So our Aussie home market cars were more highly equipped as well at times. From 1967 there was no longer a highly equipped Aussie Galaxie offering, instead you could order a RHD 4 door Thunderbird available only as 5 seaters in premium trim with the massive front console and high-backed front seats. As of 1971 there were no further RHD 4 door Thunderbirds, from 1971 we had the new body on chassis Lincoln 4 doors as the premium 4 door Ford offering here in Australia. From 1974 the RHD 4 door Lincoln town car became the ONLY RHD US Ford offering and remained as such until 1979, as I have an Aussie built at Ford Homebush Bay, Sydney, '79 Collectors Series Town Car. The US plastic fake wood dash being asymmetric could not be used, so Ford Aust used a real wood Mahogany dash applique made by a premium furniture manufacturer Parker-Chiswell with a matchwood inlay section, instead of the US version with a raised "bit of plastic " painted gold , also premium tap, plumbing and door handle/hardware supplier Eugene Wamphler supplied beautiful cast alloy dash panels anodized in the interior color, instead of the "plastic fantastic" US dash panels , as another mate has imported a yellowy-cream '79 Town Car and I was shocked to see just how cheap the dash was, really , really cheap and tacky. Looking around the interior you could see a major difference in quality the , dash top panel in my Aussie one has padded saddle stitch leather , my mates US import has vac formed plastic which has cracked and split , also the leather on his seats has a couple of tears and splits as it is so thin, where the Aussie built car I own has thick Euro style leather and the same leather on the seats is used on the dash top and on the door upholstery.
@danielberning1240
@danielberning1240 Ай бұрын
I have always loved the GP's. That last one (light blue with white top and interior) is stunning. My vote is for that one.
@user-on6qu2po6m
@user-on6qu2po6m Ай бұрын
Also love this look back at styling proposals. Reminds me of a book I have, "Cars that Never Were" by the editors of Consumer Guide from 1994.
@danlove4270
@danlove4270 Ай бұрын
It's so great to see these drawings and the pics of the clay models. Armchair car design is easy
@snerdsters8
@snerdsters8 Ай бұрын
The 77 GP is my favorite. I have always liked the GP over the Monte Carlo, regardless of the year.
@jime.9185
@jime.9185 Ай бұрын
Adam, I think they made the right choice with the production version. I just happen to have a 69 Grand Prix in my garage that I am in the process of restoring to a nice driver quality car, if I ever get it done !
@johnz8210
@johnz8210 Ай бұрын
I guess thanks to you and Bill Mitchell I know what a Miller race car looked like 100 years ago. Pontiac had nice looking wheels for a while, that really helped out with the looks of these cars.
@MarinCipollina
@MarinCipollina Ай бұрын
I don't get the Miller race car fascination at all.. It looks really generic to me.
@johnz8210
@johnz8210 Ай бұрын
@@MarinCipollina Same here.
@corgiowner436
@corgiowner436 Ай бұрын
I still think the ‘71 is the best iteration of this generation GP.
@jefffixesit60
@jefffixesit60 Ай бұрын
I've loved the Grand Prix's all the way from '62 to '77, but the '69 & '70 were my favorites. I would love to see what the '73 to '77 models would have looked like without the 5mph 'chrome-plated railroad ties' for bumpers. Chip Foose to the rescue! Great content as always, thanks Adam 😁
@keeganandersson4281
@keeganandersson4281 Ай бұрын
someone should start a business of making replacement bumpers for malaise era cars that are flush with the body. Then we can see what the designers really intended for the design
@jayhawkins2121
@jayhawkins2121 Ай бұрын
Adam, By far the you have the best show in all of media. I thoroughly enjoyed all of your productions, It’s by far the highlight of My Day to view one of them. Really enjoy the artist, renditions and clay model proposals, spot on entertainment and enlightenment. Keep up the great work, a big fan.
@RareClassicCars
@RareClassicCars Ай бұрын
Thx!
@c.s.s.1723
@c.s.s.1723 Ай бұрын
Thank you for a great presentation. This car was really the flagship for so many other GM bodies from the other divisions without doubt. The transition from the smaller midsize bodies to the larger Cutlass, Regal, Monte Carlo took a few years. Then there was no more Lemans and Skylark. The era is definitely a high point of GM styling. 1969 is my favorite year for ANY car.
@MarkWG
@MarkWG Ай бұрын
Those early clay models leave much to be desired. The sketches are cool, but obviously not possible for production in sheet metal. Even though they were large, full-sized bodied, the 1967 and 1968 Grand Prix were still stunningly-styled automobiles. They were unique from their more subtle siblings. They were beautiful IMO. The 1969-1970 production Grand Prix were definitely the best styling choices over the early proposals. As a young boy of 8 years old when they were new, I was mesmerized by them. I couldn't wait for scale models to come out to collect. So well- styled. They look best without a vinyl top. Of this styling cycle, the 1971-1972 were by far my very favorite Grand Prix designs. I loved the comparisons to modern-day Duesenbergs in advertisements. That gorgeous rear end was so beautiful. I did not think it was possible to improve on the '69, but Pontiac sure did! Again, NO cheesy vinyl top. The 1973 through 1977 were my least favorite. The new federally-mandated impact bumpers really ruined the cars. That ridiculous "opera window" was so corporate "GM" and became such a clich'e. Pontiac turned the once beautiful Grand Prix into just another Monte Carlo, Cutlass, or Regal variant. The terribly down-sized, compact 1978-onward "Grand Prix" are not even worth mentioning. Ugly.
@pjdava
@pjdava Ай бұрын
Rare Classic Cars & Automotive History, Your videos always brighten my day, so I subscribed!
@charleshuschka3860
@charleshuschka3860 Ай бұрын
Had a 77 in 89 one of the best cars I ever owned.
@johnfields4414
@johnfields4414 Ай бұрын
So nice to see these sketches and clay models. They inspire me a lot!
@mrho4speed
@mrho4speed Ай бұрын
I am so glad the 69 GP was produced as is vs the other renderings. I think the photo of the 69 GP at the beginning of the video with the "castillian bronze" paint = a special order color , makes this beautiful car stunning. I also recommend seeing this color in person to appreciate it. The 69 GP was also the first car to have the radio antenna in the front windshield and the base model J even came with the 400 CID/ 350 HP engine = the same engine as was in the GTO and the optional 428 had two versions = a 370 HP or the 390 HP HO engine!!!!
@Diogenes1360
@Diogenes1360 Ай бұрын
Showing the Design Proposals, really ties it together . . .
@charlesprice925
@charlesprice925 Ай бұрын
My grandfather was a Pontiac man. He bought a 69 Grand Pix when it came out. It was very well liked by his grandsons. When he died it became a trip switch of desire. His youngest daughter got it. She had no children. So the car stayed on the boy's wish list for years. The one with the means to restore it won-out. Now it sits in a garage, ready for an appearance at family gatherings. I bet grandpa never thought he'd still be going to those pic-nicks so many years later.
@randyfitz8310
@randyfitz8310 Ай бұрын
Adam- another superb video! The “Rare Classic…” portion in your channel really describes the depth and breadth of your knowledge and intimate details from the design, production and manufacturing of the best cars from a grand era. Thank you again.
Ай бұрын
I had a 69 Grand Prix. 428cid 370hp, Turbo 400. Burgundy with black interior. I loved that car, and wish l still had it today/
@luke19631963
@luke19631963 Ай бұрын
Every time I see a 69 or 70 Pontiac Grand Prix I think of my older brother. He was born in 54 and by the mid 80s he owned probably 6 or 7 of these since the mid 70s. Did all his own mechanic and body and paint work. The last one he owned he have to me in 81. Had well over 200k miles and could still do over 100 mph. Wish I still had it!
@Dac54
@Dac54 Ай бұрын
One of the owners of the store that I worked in as a teenager had a 1976 Grand Prix 50th Anniversary Edition. It was gold with the removable t-top roof glass and a white vinyl rear roof section. If memory serves me correctly, it had the 400cid engine with a 4bbl carburetor. It was a beautiful car inside and out that was a really nice all-around driver. I recall that on the passenger side near the glove box, the caption Radial Tuned Suspension was spelled out. Perhaps that's the reason why the vehicle rode smoothly and handled pretty well. My favorite Grand Prix years were 1976 and 1977; these had the dual headlights and were the last two model years for the A-body.
@edwinmassie
@edwinmassie Ай бұрын
Great video as usual. One nit to pick, the Riviera door handle was different than the Grand Prix/Toronado, it had a more conventional look with a loop handle that hinged at one end.
@MarinCipollina
@MarinCipollina Ай бұрын
Thanks for this one, Adam.. I have to say that in the final analysis, the best design prevailed. I also like the looks of the 1977 Grand Prix in particular, but the mid '60s GP are some of my favorites.
@joemoore4027
@joemoore4027 Ай бұрын
I owned both the 68' Boneville 4 door hard top and the rag top. They were the most comfortable cars I ever drove. I wish I never sold them. The concept car at 4:50 is a real beauty !
@bennettaustin7639
@bennettaustin7639 Ай бұрын
The clay with the hidden headlight and production-like rear light remind me of the Buick Skylark. I really like that style.
@paulcheek5711
@paulcheek5711 Ай бұрын
more futuristic and beautiful than anything today
@paulne1514
@paulne1514 Ай бұрын
My wedding party was transported by 3, 1969 Grand Prix’s.
@amandab.recondwith8006
@amandab.recondwith8006 Ай бұрын
Thin how the world would have changed with those prototypes entering the market! Pontiac would still be here today.
@jamesengland7461
@jamesengland7461 Ай бұрын
??? 40 years apart
@maxr4448
@maxr4448 Ай бұрын
Everybody loved those cars, back in the day!
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 Ай бұрын
I would argue that John Delorean's real baby he wanted to bring to production was the Banshee. Especially with a Twin Cam cylinder head. A while back there were some people working on developing a DOHC cylinder head for the Pontiac SOHC made up of two DOHC heads from the 3.6 liter LQ-1 V-6
@johnwalter9696
@johnwalter9696 Ай бұрын
In 69 my parents were buying a new car they went for a 69 Tempest. What I remember the most in the Pontiac showrooms with the Grand Prix. I was 8 yo and envisioned it 2 ways red with a white interior and white convertible top or all black with flames on the front fenders. The romantic was my favorite rendering but the production model was beautiful!
@angeloavanti2538
@angeloavanti2538 Ай бұрын
I've owned a '69 and '70. Love them both. Drove the heck out of them. Way fun to punch it at 35 and burn for a hundred feet from posi rear as the car lifted a few inches from all the torque. Yahoooooo!
@BXXification
@BXXification Ай бұрын
Thanks again for doing the Grand Prix and the Lincoln Mark V. You're the best of all the car channels on KZfaq. Still wondering about the curved a pillars on the mark 5. Wonder if you could touch on that. No one ever did that before.
@OLDS98
@OLDS98 Ай бұрын
Thank you Adam. The design proposals are quite interesting and it great to see them. Thank you for those. You were thinking as I was on several points. That front proposal ended up on the 1971-1972 full sized Pontiacs. The grille and headlights area is where you can see it. The one proposal from the side looks like the 1973-1977 model years. The other proposal ended up in the 1971 Grand Prix. I was not a fan of the 1971-1972 styling either. I hated the headlight design. That ran that way until 1975 with the single unit headlights. The 1976 changed things for the better. I still like the overall looks of 1976-1977 and the 1981-1987 years. I liked the looks of the 1988-1990 in the front. The last generation in the 2000's tried to get back to the classic looks. You can clearly see the influence of the 1969 on all the later generations. I recall those exterior door handles from 1969 being on the 1971-1978 Toronado also. I wonder why they did not up date that design and keep using it. I now know where they came from also. That one front design concept was out there with the extravagant design. It was quite forward thinking and they had to tone it down. Thank you for this video.
@tywebb355
@tywebb355 Ай бұрын
My Dad had a '76 Grand Prix . It was a good looking car, but I even remember as a kid that car had chronic stalling problems. I think that car also held the record for the amount of time it would "diesel" when you would shut it off. His '74 Catalina wagon ran way better and was way more reliable. That car also had the nicest new car smell that I could ever remember.
@machpodfan
@machpodfan Ай бұрын
Man, that Logerquist sketch! Love the never-built renderings from so many of your features.
@WhittyPics
@WhittyPics Ай бұрын
Those proposals look crazy. 76-77 are my favorite years
@jsd795
@jsd795 Ай бұрын
For about a 15 year period Pontiac got it right just about every time. These are definitely great looking cars but the 65+66 versions might be the best looking cars ever built
@flyonbyya
@flyonbyya Ай бұрын
Great vid ! Super cool stuff !!
@fleetwin1
@fleetwin1 Ай бұрын
The production car is my favorite by far. The 73 and later design was a big improvement over the previous/early 70s design.
@alecfromminnenowhere2089
@alecfromminnenowhere2089 Ай бұрын
All the GM cars did very well with the horizontal head lights. I agree with your Grand Prix picks.
@deanrivera8016
@deanrivera8016 Ай бұрын
1969 hands down was the best looking for that Gen of the Grand Prix, they we a beautiful car then when it debut as it still is in this day and age
@paulparoma
@paulparoma Ай бұрын
I like the Perkins sketch. The Don Logerquist sketch is ghastly, albeit wildly imaginative. The GP styling was certainly perfected by 1976-77 and still looks phenomenal. I fully agree.
@67marlins
@67marlins Ай бұрын
Thanks again for the history lesson.
@theduelist5706
@theduelist5706 Ай бұрын
👍 Hard to believe Pontiac is not around anymore...I had a 76.
@daveridgeway2639
@daveridgeway2639 Ай бұрын
Hi Adam, accurate video! The original Pontiac Grand Prix, was based on the GM B-body "full-size" platform. Yes it was John DeLorean's idea to to shift the 1969 Grand Prix to the GM A-body "mid-size" platform, because I think DeLorean was trying to attract younger customers (as he did with the Pontiac GTO) but in the mean time he designed the G-body "mid-size" platform, much the same as the A-body but with the passenger compartment moved back for a longer hood and shorted rear deck, which was the identical platform the new 1970 Chevrolet Monti Carlo was produced on. By the way, John DeLorean left Pontiac Motor Division and went to Chevrolet Motor Division in 1969. Please reply. Dave...
@Mr.Higginbotham
@Mr.Higginbotham Ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. Very interesting.
@aa64912
@aa64912 Ай бұрын
I liked the 64 thru 67 GP. The 69 really stood out though
@wlbeck3
@wlbeck3 Ай бұрын
I am biased, my father had a red 1973 Grand Prix SJ. White vinyl top and red interior. Honeycomb wheels That was one of my favorite car he owned. Beautiful car.
@richard169
@richard169 Ай бұрын
Older Pontiacs seem to look better and better, as time passes. I actually love the mid-70's GP's, as my teenage car fixation reached its zenith. However, five or eight years later, a friend had a Parisienne (black on black with red velour interior) that was so awesome it got stolen!
@user-cy9iv2nv2v
@user-cy9iv2nv2v Ай бұрын
Thanks For The Great Video... Thanks 😊😊😊
@playtimehulot7383
@playtimehulot7383 Ай бұрын
Good taste Adam. I agree totally in all of your choices! 🎉👍💐
@kevinrogers5245
@kevinrogers5245 Ай бұрын
Adam 69-70 my favorite as well.
@rightlanehog3151
@rightlanehog3151 Ай бұрын
Adam, Please make my 1969 Grand Prix with a 4 speed transmission but with a twist. Rather than the highest output, high compression 4 barrel engine, I will take the economy, low compression V8 engine and save a fortune by avoiding the expense of Premium fuel. 😁
@patrickgr1547
@patrickgr1547 Ай бұрын
Memories of traveling back n forth from Norwood to Pontiac in 1970 in a Pontiac GP.
@ronjones1077
@ronjones1077 Ай бұрын
69/70 Hurst edition with dual gate shifter. I’ve owned a 69 and a 72, 455SJ plus a Olds 442 Hurst edition in white with gold
@user-zh4cq4zy1n
@user-zh4cq4zy1n Ай бұрын
In this rendering, and clay, it's VERY reminiscent of the Thunderbird of '70
@wayneknodel3347
@wayneknodel3347 Ай бұрын
My brother bought a used 1969 Grand Prix in the late 70's, and I always loved that car. I don't think GM had one bad looking car in 69-70, so it would be a toss up as to which I covet the most!
@V8_screw_electric_cars
@V8_screw_electric_cars Ай бұрын
I actually like the 68 it is very sinister and I like how big it is doesn't pretend to be sporty like the 69.
@Leawoody
@Leawoody Ай бұрын
I enjoy seeing these early sketches and clay models. Part of the creative process is trying new things, pushing the envelope and seeing what works and doesn’t before focusing on a more conservative and more broadly popular design.
@tinkeringwithmark1186
@tinkeringwithmark1186 Ай бұрын
They had great dashboards!
@blobusus
@blobusus Ай бұрын
My Dad got one of the first SJ's in '69, which looked great in white, even with the black vinyl top. I loved the wrap-around cockpit, and boy did it go! The only problem I remember was with the little rear windows -- the glue they used to attach the molding where it met the front window didn't quite stick, so we just left them up.
@davealstrup
@davealstrup Ай бұрын
Production by far!!
@BingBangBye
@BingBangBye Ай бұрын
The first generation Toronado, Riviera, Grand Prix, and Eldorado were stunning cars, absolutely gorgeous to my mind, and had lots of styling and functional innovations (example - the handles on the rear of the Toronado armrests so that rear-seat passengers could open the doors for themselves). The styling was a total departure from the rest of the cars in the line. As time went by, something happened to the styling, and they started looking more and more like the rest of the line. I blame corporate headquarters, who apparently didn't think that halo cars added any value. This is the same crowd who greenlighted disasters like the Vega and the Aztek.
@TKA322
@TKA322 Ай бұрын
Some of the concepts are attractive but not practical to be considered. for example, the one at the 3:35 mark, the side window could never fully go down, and the one at the 4:30 mark had me wonder how the radiator got any air? Thanks Adam, enjoy seeing the concepts of the magical times, of the auto designers.
@user-zh4cq4zy1n
@user-zh4cq4zy1n Ай бұрын
My oldest "Cousin" , who , when we were young were told that she was our Auntie, had one back in '75
@darrellsaunders4267
@darrellsaunders4267 Ай бұрын
My neighbor in the 60's had a black 1964 Grand Prix....I thought the dash layout, console with all the chrome was fantastic.
@dosgos
@dosgos Ай бұрын
The preliminary drawings were exotic!
@sharksport01
@sharksport01 Ай бұрын
Syd Mead
@jamesweddle184
@jamesweddle184 Ай бұрын
Hey Adam, great job as always. I love the GP lineup from its inception until the 1977 model year, after which they lost me. They rekindled my interest with the stying of the FWD versions, although obviously the performance was never quite the same. Regarding the '69 GP, in my opinion it is head and shoulders above the Monte Carlo. Whereas the Monte is rather pudgy, the GP is svelte, perhaps owing to its longer wheelbase. Also, the '69 GP styling sets it far apart from its A-body roots, while the original Monte design doesn't do enough to differentiate itself. That said, nothing wrong with a stonking SS454 Monte Carlo!
@paulotoole989
@paulotoole989 Ай бұрын
The 1968 at 00:24 is Nightshade Green. It is the only GP i have ever seen in that color. The Thunderbird's high-mounted stop lamps were mounted inside the rear glass, and as such were illegal in the State of California. Outside was legal, inside was illegal.
@cuda426hemi
@cuda426hemi Ай бұрын
Mopar guy here always liked the '67 big Ponchos NOT the GP because it looked weird with the slats over the turn signals but the Catalina and Bonny HTs by far were the best looking '67 GM big boy cars. The cut lines around the vertical headlights and a tasteful mid grill split - not this gaudy burlesque stuff to me was the sh*t. The AF/VK ad illustrations are epic. Good stuff as usual bubba........ albeit GM !!!!!! Clays are nuts. I have books of Mopar clays from 50s on and boy.....that's all I will say. They'd cram about 3 or more cars on one clay just to check out one thing on one, another bit maybe a vent window on other side, you can't draw too much from these psychedelic wonders. Take the Cyclops '59 GM Caddy - the GM guys tried to drop better acid than Virgil to do the '59s as response to Virgil's '57s - the clays are wicked cool sci fi ugly beautiful. Figure the GM '59s that came out were the CONSERVATIVE designs, hoo boy. 👀
@rogergoodman8665
@rogergoodman8665 Ай бұрын
I've always wanted to buy an all black 1971 or 1972 Grand Prix and put a 1969 front end on it. I also think the 1977 G.P.'s look great.
@ronnierakusin8085
@ronnierakusin8085 Ай бұрын
69 and definitely the prettiest cars of the era.
@damianbowyer2018
@damianbowyer2018 Ай бұрын
Amazing Design Proposals for the '69 Pontiac Grand Prix, Adam....I do prefer the '71 Grand Prix, but the '69 was pretty good....Cheers fm Damo😊👏
@Sam62254
@Sam62254 Ай бұрын
I love it when you talk Pontiac, Adam. I agree with you that the '76 and especially the '77 were, without a doubt, the pinnacle of GP design. I wish I had one with a '69 engine. I was really disappointed with the 78-81 downsizing and styling. The 81-87 GPs were pretty handsome though. I'd take one of those, even though the engines were just as anemic as every other post 1970 offering from GM.
@michaelwhite2823
@michaelwhite2823 Ай бұрын
I like the 71 and 72 even more than the 69 70. I agree with you, the 76 77 were gorgeous
@williamkleeberg751
@williamkleeberg751 Ай бұрын
you are a smooth cat, Bravo on the channel.
@RoosterRocket
@RoosterRocket Ай бұрын
I really like the Perkins proposal
@ronforeman2556
@ronforeman2556 Ай бұрын
The 1964 Pontiac Grand Prix, with its "creased pants" front fenders that terminated in vertical dual headlight bezels, may well have been the first GM vehicle to successfully suggest the design of the radiator grills that distinguished Miller race cars of the '20s and '30s. The form subsequently grace the 1965-66 Cadillacs and 1966-67 Pontiac GTOs.
@michaelsimko7694
@michaelsimko7694 Ай бұрын
The production car without a doubt
@antera77
@antera77 Ай бұрын
1:34 Don Hood version is beautiful and dramatic. Evocative of an eagle or owl swooping in on its prey. I like it infinitely better than the 1969 production version's droopy bulging headlight 'eyes."
@Wiencourager
@Wiencourager Ай бұрын
GM had so many brands that some styling choices may have been just to make one divisions model look different from its counterparts at other Divisions. The widely spaced headlights may be an example of that.
@user-px2yn4zg2l
@user-px2yn4zg2l Ай бұрын
the 67 and 68 grand prix were big but unique. One can stiffen up suspension and big tires and really make them look like bomber customs with 500 horsepower. I think 71 looks good; almost like a modern day duesenberg. Front end not as heavy as 69 70. The 73 74 75 ok in my opinion but big bumper dominates the look.
@csp137
@csp137 Ай бұрын
I had one 69 and two 70s. The best generation of all the GPs with the 70 being a tiny bit better than the 69 with the vertical grill fins and the relocated side emblems.
@marko7843
@marko7843 Ай бұрын
Being part of an antique-car family, I was always a little disappointed that Pontiac didn't have an SSJ model with a supercharger on it, like Duesenberg... 😉
@saadgt2009
@saadgt2009 Ай бұрын
The original production version, every time ❤
@timferguson1593
@timferguson1593 Ай бұрын
I had a 1970 74 Monte Carlo Landau 400 sml block 4 bbl. T Tops swivel buckets loaded. The 70 had everything but swivel bucketsamd t Tops. It had a 454. Both would run like a scalded dog. My buddy had a 84 Grand Prix. Funny, even then u could take the front and rear clips off either one and you could almost swap them off either car and they would fit
@TalismanPHX
@TalismanPHX Ай бұрын
I owned a 76 Grand Prix SJ throughout my college days in the 80s, so I actually like the 72-73 boattail GPs. Of course, like the 71 Riviera, thats the mark of Bill Mitchell. His infatuation with that Miller roadster was a bit much, IJS 😮
@bighardtop
@bighardtop Ай бұрын
The second artist sketch, at the 2:40 mark, reminded me of Stewie Griffin as soon as I saw it. The 71/72 Grand Prix's are some of the most beautiful vehicles of all time, in my opinion.
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