Pontiac V8 Rebuild, Part 12: How to install heads, properly.

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Pontiac V8 Rebuild, Part 12: How to install heads, properly.

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Subscribe to watch Mike finish this engine build and re-install it into his 1969 Pontiac GTO Restomod, in his home garage! "How to install your heads", is Part 12 of this Pontiac 400/455 rebuild. Mike is in the middle of rebuilding his Pontiac 400, which is now a Butler Performance 467, because a Lifter Broke! (see link below). This is a very thorough description of what to do, how to do it, and what to watch out for. Enjoy!
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Here are the cylinder heads I'm using, from Butler Performance;
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Enjoy, and ask questions by leaving a comment below... See you on the other side!
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@FastMonty 7 ай бұрын

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@stevenlynch6605 2 жыл бұрын

Just cleaned my block today to install heads, you are so right about using a white paper towel to clean. You da Man Monty Thanks!

@FastMonty 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steven, cleaning is the worst, but most important part. Take your time, and have fun! Thanks for the comment!

@81brassglass79 4 жыл бұрын

Cant wait to get started on our rebuild. me and my dad are watching all your videos! Cheers!

@FastMonty 4 жыл бұрын

Great! May the force be with you both! ha, ha... see you soon.

@81brassglass79 4 жыл бұрын

@@FastMonty we may have questions for you if you would be interested in giving us advice here and there that would be awesome!

@FastMonty 4 жыл бұрын

@@81brassglass79 thats why I'm here...just answered your roller cam question. Have fun!

@81brassglass79 4 жыл бұрын

@@FastMonty photos.app.goo.gl/g6vXyAeRqKzFQxrC8 that's where we are at so far.

@FastMonty 4 жыл бұрын

@@81brassglass79 Saaaaweeet! Git er dun! Make sure you cover that valley so no debris gets in there, when you're removing the old dirty stuff.

@hotrod6919 2 жыл бұрын

I've got a 69' also had it since high school back in the mid 90's I'd beat the living shit outta that thing every weekend. Think i i did 6 motor swaps in 10yr span last motor i dropped in was a 428 That 4 inch stroke paired with a 4.10 running gear didn't suck as bad as it sounds Lol been sitting over 10 yrs now about to get it back going again and give it to my dad make it stock except few minor things like the steering box off a 94' jeep grand Cherokee, and a few other suspension mods, I never had the luxury of aftermarket heads probably why I don't why i don't remember those fancy lookin gaskets lol

@FastMonty 2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Thanks for sharing your story... hope she's still runnin!

@josephsmith4922 4 ай бұрын

Hi, you used ARP lube instead of engine oil. The thourke spec for engine oil on the head bolts is 100 ft lbs. With the ARP lube it should be about 85 ft lbs. It is always less with ARP lube. I used ARP studs on my mains for my 436 build.

@FastMonty 4 ай бұрын

Not exactly. When using ARP bolts/studs you need to follow their instructions. My kit from ARP specified 100 ft. lbs. using their assembly lube. Here it is... tech.arp-bolts.com/instructions/190-3607.pdf Thanks for the comment!

@karenfields6836 4 жыл бұрын

Good video series, very informative. Most Ive found don't go into the depth that you do. Keep it up. Also, where can I get a schmedium shirt like that, makes your arms look huge haha

@FastMonty 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks... Just trying to educate through my mistakes. Yeah, I do love tight shirts. ha, ha... my arms are shrinking because my gym has been closed for months. lol Thanks for watching!

@332ARA 3 жыл бұрын

one trick for taping flanges is to tap around the perimeter with a hammer to "cut" the shape instead of a blade

@FastMonty 3 жыл бұрын

Yup, that works too.. that sometimes does not leave a "crisp" edge, so I just use the blade. Thanks for the comment!

@michaelalexander8045 5 ай бұрын

Need to be using a torque angle meter after as well

@FastMonty 5 ай бұрын

Ummm, no. That tool is ONLY used when it's the spec. For example, if the assembly requires 60 ft lbs. + 45 degrees. That means you hit 60 with your torque wrench, then tighten it another 45 degrees. (That's a higher overall torque) Hope that makes sense.

@benjaminredington2905 Жыл бұрын

I noticed here you torque head bolts to 105. I am looking at my 1968 service manual and it says 95. I mention this because I just finished putting my oil pan on and realized I used your 110 on rear main cap in another video, and now see manual says 120 (wondering if I should take the pan off again). 10 lbs. maybe is not critical, but wondering why one video is 10 under and here is 10 over the documented spec. Love your vids though, I am following all the way through. Great stuff, just curious about these value discrepancies since everything else is so precise.

@FastMonty Жыл бұрын

Great question, and sorry for the conflicting info. The best source of "standard" torques is on Butler's site... butlerperformance.com/p-34888-pontiac-engine-torque-specs.html That said, if you're using Edelbrock heads, that instruction sheet says 100 ft-lbs. (So, pick 95 or 100) As for your rear main, again my apologies... if the engine is out and you can easily get at em, go to 120. Otherwise you're right, 110 will be fine. Hope that helps!

@benjaminredington2905 Жыл бұрын

@@FastMonty Thanks for the reply. I had accepted the rear main value because it was a BOP seal (not the "waxed rope" seal the service manual is replacing). Rechecking, BOP instructions do state "torque main cap bolts to manufacturers spec" so - my bad. Using original heads and standard gaskets, 95 is correct and cross-confirmed on the Butler site. For anyone still reading - I apologize for overlooking early video comments about Edelbrock head instructions, and have now realized I also followed the video torque sequence, which was incorrect for stock iron heads (again, even listed separately on Butler). Everyone, please enjoy FM's stellar work but avoid my mistakes and check the specs for your individual application and/or combination.

@FastMonty Жыл бұрын

@@benjaminredington2905 Thanks Benjamin!

@curtisperry3962 Жыл бұрын

What did you do with your oil dipstick tube? I'm building my '66 421 engine now and the dipstick tube interferes with the flange on the Edelbrock head. Not sure if I need to re-orient it since I'm not seeing how the OEM alignment between the head and the manifold will ever work?

@FastMonty Жыл бұрын

Great question Curtis. My Canton pan has a provision for a dipstick tube. So, my stock hole was drilled and tapped, and plugged. The new dipstick tube had to be bent to avoid the headers, etc... What I can't remember is if you can bend the stock tube. Sorry, I'm not much help on this one. Can you bend the tube slightly?

@scottcapers611 Жыл бұрын

Do the heads only go on one way? My 6x heads have the 8 stamp (large valve indicator) on only one head and an article I read indicates that it's for the drivers side I've mounted it on the passenger side ugh

@FastMonty Жыл бұрын

Scott, I actually do not know if they're identical. Some are, but some also only have the heater hose nipple on one of the heads, which would be the passenger side. Let us know what you end up doing.

@patrickwendling6759 2 ай бұрын

Clean the piston tops.

@FastMonty 2 ай бұрын

I didn't do a full tear down. (Which I should have, oh well... new pistons came a year later, lol)

@mosescoleman6718 7 ай бұрын

Montie, In the process of converting my GTO from an auto to an manual transmission. My question is does the 455 engine require external balancing on the flywheel?

@FastMonty 7 ай бұрын

Congrats on getting a Left Pedal! Pontiac engines are internally balanced, thank god. So, you'll need a balanced Fly Wheel. Have fun!

@davidwhitman9609 8 ай бұрын

I’ve watched this video a few times, really helpful. My heads are installed and I’ll be firing up the Pontiac soon. What is a first heat cycle? I don’t need to break in a cam or the engine. Should I drive it around the neighborhood to get it up to temp? I don’t think I can idle it in the garage without poisoning myself so it at least will go down and up the driveway. Should I hammer it to give the bolts a good stretch or just drive Ms Daisy? Thanks, Dave

@FastMonty 8 ай бұрын

Good question... one heat cycle, is getting the engine up to temperature. Yes, you can drive it around the block a few times. No, I wouldn't hammer it. If it's a new rebuild of the engine, you should be using break in oil... drive it about 100 miles, also NOT hammering it. Then change the oil, AND re-torque the heads, AND check valve lash. Have fun!

@davidwhitman9609 8 ай бұрын

@@FastMonty Thanks, I want to do it right but I also want to stomp on it. I guess I can wait a little longer.

@FastMonty 8 ай бұрын

Ha! I know the feeling! @@davidwhitman9609

@davidwhitman9609 8 ай бұрын

@@FastMontyFollow up: I drove the car and resisted the urge to get on it. On the re-torque, Did you remove and re-lube each bolt, or loosen slightly and re-torque, or just tighten if needed from where they were? Thanks, Dave

@FastMonty 8 ай бұрын

Congrats! Just tighten in place with your torque wrench. @@davidwhitman9609

@tommywebb5345 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Monty, when you put your rear main seal in we’re there anti rotation hole in rear cap and block that BOP recommends to fill with a good sealant when seal is installed. Pretty sure that 455 Pontiac block has them just wondering if 400 has them. Your thoughts or comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks Tomm

@FastMonty 2 жыл бұрын

Good question... Yeah, that's only for 455's. I did not add any sealant. :) Hope that helps!

@tommywebb5345 2 жыл бұрын

Thank bud,,it helped

@sandpipe3581 2 жыл бұрын

Boss man if I have a 73 455 +.040 over and I’m getting the elder Brock d port heads from butler with 310cfm using a solid roller cam I just don’t know which kind of gaskets to use for the heads I put so much money in this car I want to bolt heads and not have no more head gasket leaks which head gaskets you recommend ? I’m thinking something like you used and looks like the old school felpro ? Any part #”s

@FastMonty 2 жыл бұрын

That'll be a blast to drive, just like mine... ha, ha... I got my gaskets from Butler. I see the link in my description doesn't work. I'd recommend reaching out to them and ask which set you should go with. Have fun!

@clintoningalls5146 2 жыл бұрын

I just had my 350 rebuilt and before it never went over 200 temp and after the rebuild it won't stay under 220+ ,so what did the shop do to my motor or not do to cause that,anybody please I'm am at my wits end

@FastMonty 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that... make sure you double check that temp. For example, use a laser thermometer and pull a reading from the cross over. Many times, builders mistakenly swap out the wrong temperature sending unit. (Some are too short, some have the wrong internal resistance setting to match Pontiac Gauges) Let us know what works out!

@ArtHollis 3 ай бұрын

Is it possible to remove one head on an engine if you take off all manifold bolts on the intake

@FastMonty 3 ай бұрын

Probably. But, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to put it back on, without damage, and/or poor water crossover connection. Best to remove the intake. Have fun!

@lucasblake1615 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 1970 Lemans . My question is what is the clearance between the cross Member and the oil pan from a front point of view ? I wondering if someone changed the oil pan before I owned the car . This would be greatly appreciated

@FastMonty 2 жыл бұрын

Good question... I don't know the actual spec. you should at least be able to get your fingers in there. So many things may have changed over the years, with your car, engine mounts, the pan itself, etc... it should definitely NOT be touching the cross member. Hope that helps!

@brianwilson1541 2 жыл бұрын

Dumb question….. I got edelbrock heads, I cannot determine which is drivers side and which is passenger side… many suggestions?

@FastMonty 2 жыл бұрын

Not a dumb question... they're actually the same. But, once you determine which one you want to use for the drivers side vs. Passenger, you'll need to keep track, especially if you're painting them. Hope that helps!

@terrybass5872 Жыл бұрын

Hey Mike, are your heads ported? If so what do they flow?

@FastMonty Жыл бұрын

Hey Terry, they are... I think they're 310's.

@zacharywashington5933 Жыл бұрын

I have a 400ci 6.6l but it’s inside of my 1978 Pontiac Bonneville. Having trouble finding headers. Any suggestions??

@FastMonty Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's a tough one... not sure it's popular enough to build headers for a Bonnie. Maybe check the Pontiac forums? Good luck and let us know if you figure that out. Oh, maybe get some Ram Air manifolds. That'll help vs. your stock ones. Have fun!

@garygreer1854 3 жыл бұрын

I only have one cooling port on my Firebird. My Edelbrock Performer heads came with one plug and one cooling connector. Perhaps they should have included the extra hardware. I need to locate the extra plug needed, but it seems to only come in a kit with extra parts not needed. .

@FastMonty 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Gray... good question. "Standard" is to have one nipple on the passenger side head, and a plug in the driver side. I modified mine to T off the coolant from both heads in the rear. (Check out my Pontiac Head Cooling video, which also has an AN hose tutorial) If you want to add the nipple on the driver side head, the thread size on the Edelbrock head is 3/4 NPT. You can use standard 5/8" rubber hose, or switch to AN style like I did. Hope that makes sense?

@garygreer1854 3 жыл бұрын

@@FastMonty Thank you Monty! I will check out your other Cooling video. Also I appreciate that you took the time to video your build, it's a great help. I have my heads in and will be installing them once my rotating assembly is in from Butler. I'm building a .060 over 350 stroker which is makes it a 413ci. For a cam I'm using Butler's "special grind" hydraulic roller cam. BTW I can't find a bearing cam plate anywhere, so I have to use the standard one. You're lucky to have one.

@FastMonty 3 жыл бұрын

@@garygreer1854 Glad I can help! Glad to hear you're using Butler parts... for the cam bearing, you can call BOP Engineering, or go to their ebay page. Here... You can get the Sims Precision Machining Rollmaster Timing chain and thrust bearing from BOP Engineering, by calling 920-674-6058. OR, go to their ebay listing at www.ebay.com/itm/BOP-Eng-Sims-Pontiac-Billet-Timing-Chain-Gear-w-Rollerized-Thrust-Ram-Air-SD/224008751731 Plan B, Butler has a thrust bearing version too. Hope that helps!

@stevenlynch6605 2 жыл бұрын

Why 105, when on Butler's site it's 95 ?

@FastMonty 2 жыл бұрын

Good question... 95 ft lbs is for stock bolts. 105 is for Edelbrock heads with ARP bolts.

@AB-80X 2 жыл бұрын

@@FastMonty Exactly.

@frekkledipped 3 жыл бұрын

Did you ever figure out what did the damage to the lifter and I ididnt see you remove it

@FastMonty 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Dan. It seems you might need to watch the playlist from the beginning... they should load in order, from the point of me tearing down the engine, and finding the lifter. Here... kzfaq.info/sun/PL0VCtZe2W6eZSHZDZGQTowqcvDWFWNBUX Hint: Part 5 is where I found the root cause. Thanks for watching!

@russbonneau9152 3 жыл бұрын

is 105 lbs only for aluminum heads?

@FastMonty 3 жыл бұрын

I believe so... stock heads are 95 to 100, depending who you ask. In the Edelbrock instructions it says to tighten a majority of the bolts to 105 ft-lbs. And some of them to 95. Not sure why that is... but, I keep it easy on myself and do 105 on all of them. Thanks for the comment!

@AB-80X 2 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@tunnelportterror Жыл бұрын

install heads properly? you're thinking a bit too much into it. if the heads and block deck are milled flat, bottom tap the 10 head bolt holes, drop a new gasket in place, drop on the head, tighten the 10 bolts in a spiral pattern from center, 35-70-100 ft. lbs. you're done. it's not rocket science. with a 9.5 cr pump gas motor, all that sealer is unnecessary. its only going to make a mess, you'll have to scrape and grind off later, if you ever need to pull the heads for some reason. ask me how I know....after 40 years of building these.

@FastMonty Жыл бұрын

This is how you do it. My video's are also for beginner's who need that extra bit of confidence before building their own Pontiac mill. Thanks.

@billvogel359 Жыл бұрын

@@FastMonty thanks, I’m pull the motor out of my 66 Catalina. Rear seal leaking. Taking my time. 1st time for everything. Like your channel.

@FastMonty Жыл бұрын

@@billvogel359 Thanks Bill... yeah, rear main seal leaks are no fun. Yes, take your time, but don't take tooo much time. ha, ha..

@ayyy9017 Жыл бұрын

Do you have to have the motor at tdc when installing the heads?

@v8pontiacvent 4 жыл бұрын

What’s the weight difference between the cast iron & aluminum heads?

@FastMonty 4 жыл бұрын

I have noooo idea. I'm guessing, from curling each set, probably around 15 lbs each. Ha ha. Thanks for the comment!

@v8pontiacvent 4 жыл бұрын

Fast Monty's Garage 😆 Thanks. Nice work BTW.

@FastMonty 4 жыл бұрын

@@v8pontiacvent Thanks! Hope it helps!

@v8pontiacvent 4 жыл бұрын

Fast Monty's Garage Just bought a set of KRE Aluminum heads. Fully assembled, 37lbs each head.

@FastMonty 4 жыл бұрын

@@v8pontiacvent Nice! Congrats on the KRE heads too... those are awesome! Any idea what the fully assembled stock heads weigh? I'm guessing around 60 lbs.

@yafois988 4 ай бұрын

What final seat pressure you set the vlvs to on the roller?

@FastMonty 4 ай бұрын

Seat pressure and roller lifters are two different topics. Not sure what you're asking here? (Seat pressure is typically determined by the springs) Thanks.