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Pontoon Restoration Tips and Tricks - Carpet and Plywood Removal
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Күн бұрынIn this video we're giving you some tips and tricks to save you time when tearing down your pontoon project. We share the methods we use when we encounter stubborn carpet, corroded deck screws/bolts, and more. Please subscribe to our channel, click the like button, and comment below if this was helpful!
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@Boatfisherz1 2 ай бұрын
You've got the best pontoon videos in the industry. Keep it up!
@tomspontoons 2 ай бұрын
Best compliment I could ever hope for!! Thank you!!
@gfmurphy5 4 күн бұрын
Outstanding video!
@tomspontoons 3 күн бұрын
Thank you very much!
@jaypietsch5411 Ай бұрын
3 QUESTIONS: (1) IF THE WOOD ISN'T TOO BAD, HOW ABOUT JUST FLIPPING IT OVER? (2) ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE PRODUCT TUFF COAT TO USE INSTEAD OF THE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE VINYL, AND (3) WOULD IT BE BENEFICAL TO INSTALL CORRUGATED TIN UNDERNEATH TO KEEP WATER FROM SPLASHING UP AND CREATING MORE DRAG? THANK SO MUCH FOR YOUR AWESOME VIDEOS.
@tomspontoons Ай бұрын
Great questions! 1) marine grade treated plywood is void free on ONE side. Flipping it would move knots and voids to the top where you’d see or feel them. It would also be taking the surface rot from the top and be moving it to the bottom, still shortening the life of the wood. If you go through that much trouble to flip the wood you should just replace it to make it another 20+ years of worry free use. 2) I painted the interior walls of my aluminum jet boat I built (video series is on the channel) and I LOVE IT! I know they make a wood coating too, but haven’t tried it. I think it could be great, but go with a light color to avoid the floor getting too hot! 3) We install 0.063” sheet aluminum on a lot of tritoons as “underskin” to protect the bottom and crossmembers from spray/waves and quiet/smooth the ride out. Works great! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@jaypietsch5411 Ай бұрын
Thank you Tom. You are helping so many of us. You are appreciated.
@tomspontoons Ай бұрын
@@jaypietsch5411happy to help, glad our videos and info is helping folks out there!
@donaldsmith7592 Ай бұрын
Ty bro this was a big help I think! I haven’t done mine yet but I can tell it’s gonna help a lot!! Ty
@tomspontoons Ай бұрын
Welcome! Hopefully my channel has lots of other videos that’ll help along the way of your project!!
@RandomlyAwkward1 8 ай бұрын
Just found your channel. Great tips for refurbishing the boats! We are currently redoing our new (to us) 30 year old pontoon that needs much love. Your channel will help me in the process. Thanks...
@tomspontoons 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for the kind words! We've got a couple hundred videos on here so hopefully you'll find plenty that apply directly to your project. If not, be sure to comment and let me know what would be helpful to see more of!
@J.O.. 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta trust the experts , you are right Tom !
@tomspontoons 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I haven't been building pontoon boats for 40+ years...so I'm going to trust those who have been!!!
@zdf872 7 ай бұрын
Thats for your videos buddy looking at buying and redoing it, seeing what headache I maybe getting into
@tomspontoons 7 ай бұрын
Happy to help out. You'll hear me say in videos "we're just trying to use what we've learned to reduce the number of headaches you encounter on your project". It takes some physical labor, problem solving and creativity, but it's 100% doable. When you're done and enjoying your "new" boat you'll be happy you put in the effort!
@DanisBuoy 5 ай бұрын
Thoughts on removing old carpet, laying 1/4" ply over top then installing vinyl floor over the "new" deck? This would be for an old pontoon houseboat, 37' overall. Looking to firm up the soft spots on the outside decks without doing a full tear out. Attempting to complete the work while on the water, in the marina.
@tomspontoons 5 ай бұрын
That's a tricky spot to be in. I've seen someone add 1/4" plywood on top of an older rotten deck and it wasn't pretty. The 1/4" basically fell into pieces as we uninstalled everything. If a total tear off isn't an option, I would personally try to go with aluminum sheet instead of another material that will rot. Because we work on customers' boats we have to do it the best way possible so that we can guarantee the end result. I haven't tinkered around much with quick fixes like that so I'm not a ton of help on this one!
@BuckMasterJE89 Жыл бұрын
Awesome your tips are greatly appreciated just inherent a boat from my uncle who passed away its in rough shape but want to bring it back to life keep it in the family I'll be reaching out for tips and tricks that ks for your hard work and expertise
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. I love hearing that folks are restoring boats to keep them in the family so that even more memories can be made!
@user-xe2il6xj8z 10 ай бұрын
Our fishing club recently purchased an older pontoon boat to help transport and place fish habitats. This is a total work boat. We need to replace the deck but was wondering if we could use a less expensive plywood from a home improvement store to keep costs down. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Your videos have helped us get organized and prepared. Thanks.
@tomspontoons 10 ай бұрын
You could go with a CCA treated plywood that’s not Marine Grade…it’ll just have knots and voids in the surface you may feel under your feet…not a huge deal for a work boat that you’ll likely wear shoes on anyway. All the boats I’ve seen that were in freshwater have had no issues with CCA treated plywood reacting with the aluminum of the frame. Definitely mixed reactions about that out there…I can only speak from my experience.
@rodmeisterful 8 ай бұрын
Excellent clear presentation, thanks!
@tomspontoons 8 ай бұрын
Great!! Thanks for watching
@tglenn13 2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@tomspontoons 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the contribution and for tuning in to the channel!
@michaelgreen3224 Жыл бұрын
Hey cool video. About the treated wood there are different treatments they use. Gotta make sure it’s the same type of treatment. Some wood says not safe with aluminum. Otherwise your right a lot of people gonna chime in. Lol.
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
Luckily we know this is the same treated plywood the big manufacturers have been using for decades. I’ve seen lots of chalky residue left behind by the interaction between the plywood and aluminum, but nothing where damage has been caused. Gotta remember we are freshwater only too!
@22josta 9 ай бұрын
Hey Tom, question for you.. I have some hail dents in one side of my 2011- SouthBay 522CR fence skin,, just the lower half skin.. I was watching your videos to see how to do the replacement myself, but doesnt look like there's an open starting point.. its the bent down lip on all 4 sides.. Top, Bottom, front edge and back edge, how would you recommend that i remove the old damagaged skin and install the new skin? thanks .. great vids!! keep em coming
@tomspontoons 9 ай бұрын
We’ve got a couple videos that cover the railing paneling depending on exactly the style of your boat. This one is probably the best option (let me know if you still have questions!): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aMmBZ8uf3ae6opc.htmlsi=V58NACPaSIE_J2nl
@brybino 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Looking forward to more of your tritoon build!
@tomspontoons 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'm working on editing Episode 3 right now. Tons of footage to pack in!
@Elephant_Butte_Lake 10 ай бұрын
Great videos! You are saving me gobs of money, and I just used the discount code. 🍻
@tomspontoons 10 ай бұрын
Awesome!! Glad it was helpful! Every penny contributed to our channel helps us a ton for the time put in to filming and editing content…even just a little bit here and there from our viewers. www.buymeacoffee.com/tomstoons
@fz0gtg 10 ай бұрын
Why not use tape on all the aluminum rails to isolate them from the treated wood, is there a downside other than cost? Thanks for all the tips and tricks, your years of experience is invaluable to us DIY’s! What do you think of priming the (non treated) marine grade plywood sheets before installation as an additional waterproofing measure?
@tomspontoons 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching the channel! It wouldn't hurt to put tar tape on all of the crossmembers, however it's just not usually necessary, especially in freshwater. The reaction between treated plywood and the aluminum is minimal in my experience. Even the big pontoon brand manufacturers use tape only on the seams. I only recommend installing marine grade CCA treated plywood as most other "marine grade" plywood isn't build to get wet constantly. If you MUST use an untreated marine grade plywood I would definitely consider coating it or sealing it to prevent rot.
@patrickretsel7048 2 жыл бұрын
Dude you ROCK….thank you so much 😎
@tomspontoons 2 жыл бұрын
So happy to help!! Hope it makes your project smoother. Be sure to let us know what else you’d like to see covered!
@timlorentz9291 Жыл бұрын
Hi again to help with carpet soak it with water when ripping it off it helps
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
Oh man! I swear half the carpeted boats we tear down have soaking wet carpet from being out in the weather…never seems easier or more fun when they’re soaked! If it works for you then keep on doing it!
@scottosborne6848 3 ай бұрын
Do you charge by the foot? How much was the charge on that particular job?
@tomspontoons 2 ай бұрын
Every boat is different based on length, width, furniture and accessories, etc. Most 20' standard layout pontoons are around $4500-$5000 for a complete tear down and floor replacement. We never do a new floor without replacing the plywood.
@faronmastin8683 Жыл бұрын
As long as you put a barrier between the green board and the Aluminum your good to go. even something a simple as Black tape.
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
I’m not saying that there’s no reaction between aluminum and CCA treated plywood, but I’ve never seen more than a light dust, and the big brand manufacturers don’t put any barrier between other than tar tape on the seams.
@faronmastin8683 Жыл бұрын
@@tomspontoons I'm goingto use it on my next pontoon rebuild I'm getting ready to do.
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
@@faronmastin8683 It certainly won't hurt!! It makes the most sense if it's a pontoon that will be in saltwater...if I were in the salt with a toon I would do every little thing I could to prevent corrosion!
@frankwolf389 Жыл бұрын
Would undercoating the plywood with Duraliner or some other undercoating be good?
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
If using Marine Grade CCA Treated plywood there is no need to seal or coat the wood, top nor bottom. In fact, one could argue that the wood needs to breathe to dry out after being wet AND the wood must breathe to allow adhesive to cure under new vinyl flooring which does not breathe to allow curing of flooring adhesive.
@loose8881 6 ай бұрын
I used a small hole saw with no drill bit and went around each screw. Then cut them off after.
@tomspontoons 6 ай бұрын
Yes! That's another tactic we use on stubborn screws or stripped heads.
@bubba8021 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, do you recommend the zylan coated self tapping screws or the 1.5" stainless steel deck bolts for the flooring installation? the self tapping makes me think they could come loose after a while and the deck bolts could protrude out on top so you could make feel it under the carpet? thanks for your recommendation and response.
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! It's common for us to use a mix of the self tapping screws and stainless deck bolts...deck bolts on the seams and self tappers everywhere else. I've torn down over 60 boats in the last couple of years and I've found that the bigger self tappers like the zylan coated ones DO NOT tend to loosen. The only boat I've had loose self tappers on was a newer (2011 I believe) Berkshire, and it had much lighter self tappers that honestly appeared to be stripped out from the factory. Here's a video of the 3" deck bolt, but it'll show you how I counter sink the head so that nothing is felt from the top side: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qd9-qrZlksfZoIk.html
@steveshallenberger2236 Жыл бұрын
can you do a video on removing the pontoon from the trailer and the dollys you use?
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
I was just thinking about that as I lowered a boat onto caster carts today!! I will do that next time we bring a boat in. AND I need to do one about strapping a boat to a center lift trailer.
@larryfetters212 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips
@tomspontoons 2 жыл бұрын
Happy to help, thanks for watching!!
@keithwalsh9936 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been apprehensive to replace the flooring because of needing to reposition the furniture/helm etc correctly. I’ve not seen any videos on how folks do that to configure the mounts how they were on the old wood after reflooring. Is that pretty straightforward? Any tips/tricks? I know a lot of your stuff you reconfigure, but in the case of using the same fencing and furniture. Use the old boards and holes as templates?
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
I love this question! I will definitely do a video about it on the next boat we restore using the same railings. In a nutshell, I would measure your spacing of the front and rear decks if applicable, and record the measurements so that when you reinstall the railings you can match the old spacing. From there, I install all new plywood and RARELY use old boards as templates for holes, unless they’re for transom fuel tank access or other critical parts that are being reinstalled. I use old boards as templates for rear deck cutouts or front deck shapes/sizes. I simply make all new holes once the seats and helm are reinstalled. Once your railings are in place your old furniture will match back up to the railings where you can fasten them into the new floor. I’ll make a video on the approach to reinstalling railings when I get the next chance. Thanks for the question and hope this helps for now!
@keithwalsh9936 Жыл бұрын
@@tomspontoons that all makes sense, thanks so much for the reply! Love the content and look forward to a video around this.
@paulwood7030 Жыл бұрын
I’m a fan of the treated as well. Pontoon stuff uses cca treated what’s your opinion on ac-c treated? They say it’s more corrosive than cca but it’s all we have in California.
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
I can’t say much on ac-c as I’ve never used it. I think those corrosive factors are multiplied in extreme environments like saltwater and areas with high electrolysis. I’ve torn down 80+ boats in the last few years and haven’t seen anything other than some white dust from the reaction. All freshwater boats though!
@shawnpotter8160 Жыл бұрын
Awesome content
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@phatrides222000 Жыл бұрын
I have never heard of an untreaded pontoon deck. I feel like untreated wood would rot crazy fast!
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
We install all CCA Marine Grade Treated plywood from PontoonStuff.com on boats we restore. It's the same stuff the pontoon manufacturers use. However, there are lots of folks out there who are using "marine grade" (untreated) from big box stores and I can only imagine how poorly that holds up!
@phatrides222000 Жыл бұрын
@@tomspontoons thanks for the heads up!
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
@@phatrides222000 Happy to help!
@carolf4413 11 ай бұрын
Im curious about the cost to do this, for a 21' pontoon. And how much time does it take to remove rhe seats etc.
@tomspontoons 11 ай бұрын
The cost can fluctuate quite a bit depending on what all you do and add in materials. We have another video that walks through a whole restoration in great detail, I'll link that below. It usually takes us 1-2 weeks to complete a restoration project. That's working 8 hour days with 1 or 2 people working on the boat at various points. And most of our restorations are somewhere between $13K and $18K depending on materials, accessories, etc....and that's with parts and labor! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eLZ4h9mHptfSZ6M.html
@user-qn2br8jk4u 9 ай бұрын
How much did you charge for doing the job?
@tomspontoons 9 ай бұрын
A typical 20' pontoon boat with standard seating and accessories starts around $4,000 for complete tear down and installation of new plywood and vinyl flooring. It's a great time for us to address any issues that might be going on too with electrical, welds, etc.
@robbienardelli4272 Жыл бұрын
Tom, so this wood that was put on by the manufacture was pressure treated plywood ? I am currently in the process of rebuilding a pontoon boat and was going to use pressure treated from Home Depot, just wanted to make sure im not doing a big no no.
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
99.9% of the boats we restore have pressure treated plywood. We use the CCA treated plywood from PontoonStuff.com. It’s marine grade which means there’s a smooth side free of voids and knots. You could use treated from Home Depot, but it’ll have knots in it that you’ll need to fill or you’ll feel them once in a while under your feet. There are folks out there who swear treated wood will eat right through aluminum because of the reaction between the chemicals and metals. I’ve never seen it be an issue on all the boats I’ve restored. Maybe some super minor pitting or some dusty residue on the metal, but that’s all. I trust it enough to use treated on all my own boats.
@williamberridge4149 3 ай бұрын
I did this about 22 years ago. I put down marine plywood. I Have to do this again since the carpet looks bad. Any chance I can just flip the plywood? Right now it is about $150 a sheet.
@tomspontoons 3 ай бұрын
I've definitely seen that done before on some groups and forums I follow about pontoon restoration. However, because I'm working on boats for customers I have to offer the best option for longevity which means replacing the plywood and all. So my best suggestion is spending the money now to have the new plywood that'll last another 22+ years (the plywood from PontoonStuff has a 30 year warranty). Use TOMS5OFF at checkout to save 5% on your plywood order from PontoonStuff.com/tomstoons.
@williamberridge4149 3 ай бұрын
@@tomspontoons I'm going to take your advice. Just removed the carpet (your suggestion worked) and now to remove the wood. I have a 1977 24 foot Flotebote with a 35 Evinrude on it. Want to replace the 2 cycle with a 4 cycle 90 Yamaha. Has a wood transom so that will have to be replaced also. Glad I'm only 80 and have all kinds of time. Are you located in Michigan. I am.
@tomspontoons 3 ай бұрын
@@williamberridge4149 I'm in Grand Rapids, Michigan. For that old of a boat with a newer four stroke 90 hp I would definitely plan to reinforce the transom, get rid of the wood and go to all aluminum, and consider reinforcing the structure holding the transom including adding crossmembers and potentially beefing up the brackets that hold the crossmembers. That boat was likely never designed to hold that much motor weight nor torque.
@williamberridge4149 3 ай бұрын
@@tomspontoons I found a Pontoon Boat Transom Engine Pod Mount | 88 1/2 Inch Aluminum at Great Lakes Skipper. Boat part number 1101186 is a new pontoon transom engine pod. Will this work for me? Hope I'm not a pest. Thanks
@tomspontoons 3 ай бұрын
@@williamberridge4149 that sure looks like it'll do the trick!! I need to start making those when I get spare time between jobs (if that ever happens again!)....they're getting a pretty penny for them.
@jamesfranks4142 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see re carpeting a boat with aluminum floors
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
One of these days we will tackle one to show the process. As a business we don’t do them because it’s very difficult to guarantee the long term outcome when laying new vinyl flooring. The aluminum surface has to be as perfectly clean as possible including removing old adhesive and carpet backing. Then a solvent based adhesive must be used where the process and timing is significantly different than gluing to plywood. Carpet isn’t as tricky as it can breathe to allow more traditional adhesives to cure, but we’ve never laid new carpet on a pontoon restoration. It’s always been vinyl because of the long list of qualities like….it’s low maintenance, no staining, fast drying, quick to clean, etc.
@johnhancock2153 Жыл бұрын
Would it be ok to water seal the wood beforehand?
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
Great question, and a common one at that...short answer is no. When using a marine grade TREATED plywood there is no need to seal the wood, in fact you want the wood to breathe in order to dry out and prevent rot. Water will always find a way in over time, even if sealed, and I'd rather that wood be able to dry back out than have moisture trapped for any amount of time. I've never seen a boat from the pontoon manufacturers with sealed wood...that's probably the best trend to follow!
@warrensylvester3807 11 ай бұрын
What if?? Instead of replacing that expensive 3/4 Marine plywood.lay down on top a Marine grade 1/4" Laun ?
@tomspontoons 11 ай бұрын
There's a video somewhere on our channel where we found that exact scenario...can't say if it was marine grade, but the lauan was falling into pieces as we tried to peel it up. Our approach doesn't work for everyone, but because we're doing it for customers (and not our own boat) we replace everything to do it right the first time so that it'll last another 20+ years. Yes, treated marine grade plywood isn't cheap, but it should give decades of use without a second thought.
@MrSilverado1982 Жыл бұрын
Can you change the U shaped toons out for the round ones? Or is it just better to go buy another pontoon?
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
I would seek out a different option if you want to do that size of a modification. Lots of good options that are affordable for late 1990s to early 2000s boats with bigger toons, stronger transom, and beefier structure.
@MrSilverado1982 Жыл бұрын
@@tomspontoons I have been leaning towards selling my current pontoon and buy another one. I will keep my motor because I bought it new last year and sell the boat with the old motor that still runs
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
@@MrSilverado1982 sounds like a solid plan to me!
@jlpictures84 Жыл бұрын
Plz help. I'm redoing the deck of my boat and got untreated 3/4 marine plywood already and I'm curious what I should treat it with before installing? I'll be adding carpet. Thanks.
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
West System makes an epoxy resin kit that could be used. Otherwise an exterior grade epoxy, waterproofing, or even exterior water resistant paint. You just have to apply something to the top, bottom, and sides to keep water from penetrating. I haven’t tackled that issue myself, but I’ve seen the topic discussed in forums and groups for pontoon owners.
@jlpictures84 Жыл бұрын
@@tomspontoons thank you!
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
@@jlpictures84 happy to help!
@jer7168 5 ай бұрын
Any info on tiki toons ?
@tomspontoons 5 ай бұрын
Haven’t had a request for one yet…that’s usually a home-made sort of wild creation that spans from mild beach grass to full on tiki hut. It’s not exactly our specialty unless someone wanted the structure welded up.
@jer7168 5 ай бұрын
Have a 96 suntoon 28’ x 8 1/2’. Want to turn it into a tikitoon. Any suggestions on design : materials ? Ty in advance.
@tomspontoons 5 ай бұрын
@@jer7168 That's a nice BIG platform to start with. There are some great FaceBook groups that would be helpful for you where people would share their designs and custom tiki pontoons. Pontoon Junkies and Ghetto Pontoon Restoration are a couple to check out.
@jerryfields3315 Жыл бұрын
Have you seen a double t decking crossmember on a pontoon?
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
Like an I-beam or one where the plywood fits into a space on the crossmember?
@nhjohn1275 11 ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on tearing up the carpet, unbolting the plywood and flipping it over?
@tomspontoons 11 ай бұрын
For someone on a tight budget I suppose it'll work, but it's just not going to last as long as doing it right the first time and replacing it with treated marine grade plywood. If you're going through all the work to take the boards off I would say you're better off just replacing them and not worrying about it for another 20+ years.
@Elephant_Butte_Lake Жыл бұрын
Why remove the carpet if you're trashing the plywood?
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
Great question! When there are an abundance of self tapping screws it’s just easier to pull all the carpet up to locate them all. Other times we will only remove carpet where hardware is present which saves time and effort.
@Elephant_Butte_Lake Жыл бұрын
@@tomspontoons That makes sense. I'm working on the rub rail right now, then plywood tomorrow. I'm crossing my fingers, hoping that glue was expensive in 1993 🤣
@tomspontoons Жыл бұрын
@@Elephant_Butte_Lake best of luck!!!
@donswain7859 11 ай бұрын
Any videos on disconnecting and reconnecting the wiring?
@tomspontoons 11 ай бұрын
I’ve got one that breaks down removing and reinstalling an entire console, electrical and all. Surf my channel, and check out the playlist for electrical projects. Pontoon Steering Console - Removal & Reinstallation kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q9CUfrKEndmRgnU.html
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