Poor Running Buick LeSabre

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South Main Auto LLC

South Main Auto LLC

7 жыл бұрын

Come along with Eric O. and Ivan T. from "Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics" as we have a look at this 2002 Buick LeSabre 3.8 Series II that was towed in from Buffalo, NY. The car is only running on two cylinders with a P0300 and we need to figure out why. We also make a phone call to a mutual friend Keith D. Owner of "New Level Auto" and we learn a lot along the way as Ivan shares some of his scope captures from a recent case study he did. Enjoy!
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@rafaelmadrigal1534
@rafaelmadrigal1534 6 жыл бұрын
I am a retired mechanic and feel the joy these guys are going through. Troubleshooting test your skills to the limit. Love it.
@thomasratliff7029
@thomasratliff7029 6 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to give you guys a huge thanks. My wife's buick had the very same problem, I threw a few parts at her with no luck. I came across your video by chance. The car had been sitting for a month, and I was about to give up and bring her to the stealership. I did the exact trouble shooting you guys did and replaced the ICM, and she runs like new. Also did plugs and wires keep up the good work, and again you guys rock!!!!! Thanks.
@jamesrobinson3796
@jamesrobinson3796 2 жыл бұрын
The stealership I like it!😆
@rolandocurro8842
@rolandocurro8842 2 жыл бұрын
That's what they have becomed after 45 years !!
@josephinecunningham5998
@josephinecunningham5998 Жыл бұрын
Trying to put in a new icm is a pita. Can you suggest an easier way than dropping the dash and the plastic undertrim. It's taking 4hours already and still no access, the bolts are in very hard to reach places and that is if you can find them. Or, could you suggest a tutorial video for us. Greatly appreciate any help. Thanks
@mickeyhinkle5465
@mickeyhinkle5465 6 ай бұрын
It's 10 :38 on sunday night and Buick Lasabre. I went to the grocery and igotin the car to come home and the ignition wouldn't turn the key over. I had to leave over night. Do I replace the ignition or is there something I need to do?
@testosteroneinc.3800
@testosteroneinc.3800 7 жыл бұрын
I have fresh coffee, the house to myself, and a new SMA video. What a good sunday this is 🤗
@nathankox190
@nathankox190 3 жыл бұрын
I am not a mechanic but what I like most About these videos are that he seems very logical in his approach, & tries to actually fix problems as cheaply as possible rather than throwing parts at it. An honest mechanic is a rare find nowadays..
@subjectofgov
@subjectofgov 9 ай бұрын
Yes, the labor charge should usually be higher than the parts list.
@dannylinc6247
@dannylinc6247 8 ай бұрын
Around the same. But how much testing will the customer authorize? The first hour is often the law but not the policy, necessarily.
@davedrew9328
@davedrew9328 7 ай бұрын
I would love to know how much per hour it cost in the States compared to U.K. ?
@frankdavis8409
@frankdavis8409 4 жыл бұрын
After nearly two decades of R and D, In 2005 GM engineers perfected the 3800, capable of running 500,000+ miles if maintained properly. GMs money people put and end to that shit quick. Best damn domestic motor in quite some time.
@killer13324
@killer13324 3 жыл бұрын
glad my lesabre's an 05, then.
@confidential8738
@confidential8738 3 жыл бұрын
@@killer13324 ur engine is series 2 right?
@confidential8738
@confidential8738 3 жыл бұрын
@@killer13324 series 3 is the engine hes talking about but i dont think that was in the 05 lesabre. I think that was still series 2
@killer13324
@killer13324 3 жыл бұрын
@@confidential8738 yeah mine's series 2. main difference between 2 and 3 is the gen 5 superchargers, fuel system, intake manifolds, and electronics in the series 3.
@miscbits6399
@miscbits6399 2 жыл бұрын
not just domestic, the same engine powered Australia's Holden Commodores for a long time
@Kevinsrack
@Kevinsrack 6 жыл бұрын
Eric, not sure whether or not you're going to see this, but I'll try anyway. Measuring the DC resistance of the coil may not always tell you the entire story. The only way to really know for sure if you have a bad coil is to measure its inductance, and the only way to do that is to use an LCR meter. The inductance of the coil is determined by the size of air gap in its core, and its number of turns around the core. As coils get damaged, often times turns short to each other, or the core cracks, essentially making the air gap larger, both conditions resulting in decreased inductance. A BK precision model 879B would be suitable for measuring that. At $300 it's not cheap, but it's worth the price of admission because it'll pay for itself in unnecessarily replaced ignition coils. Shooting from the hip, a typical good coil probably measures in the order of hundreds of micro-henries on the primary side, and probably thousands of micro-henries on the secondary side. If you measure a few nano-henries, the coil is most likely no good. Hope this information helps someone if not Eric O.
@brianglade848
@brianglade848 3 жыл бұрын
True, if you can find one, the Claxon 55 is a fantastic old school diagnostic tool
@miscbits6399
@miscbits6399 2 жыл бұрын
Might be worth getting a chgeap T7 LCR meter from china and seeing if that works for this. They're under $30 and work well for a lot of applications
@dannylinc6247
@dannylinc6247 8 ай бұрын
​@@miscbits6399that would be good to know where to look for it, know the spelling is right, and trying one out.
@neutrodyne
@neutrodyne 3 жыл бұрын
A few notes. First thanks to South Main Auto for providing us with this video. I'll have to say that this is my favorite youtube Auto repair channel. Having said that I would not recommend pulling coils out with the engine running. This could possibly damage the ICM from a thing called kick-back reactance. I would also not recommend removing the plug wires from the coil towers to see if there is a spark across the gap. This allows excessive high-voltage that could cause an internal short to the coil. Next, I would highly recommend cleaning the mounting bracket the ICM mounts on and putting in some heatsink compound between it and the ICM. Heat is an enemy to solid-state devices and removing the heat from the ICM can increase its life. Last, what we have in this situation is one of the coil driver transistors was bad in addition to the logic circuit being bad in the ICM. This caused some very confusing and unusual test results. Thanks again for sharing this.
@tracyblackwell7686
@tracyblackwell7686 5 жыл бұрын
I am 74 yrs old been mechanic/millwright etc. Love this guy.
@brianglade848
@brianglade848 3 жыл бұрын
Ok then maybe you understand this, my dad was a mechanic at a dealership in the 70s, he used the bottom drawer of his toolbox as a pee bin....was all rusted out and smelled the cats
@Trohawkk
@Trohawkk 3 жыл бұрын
@@brianglade848 witf haha
@shaneharrison4775
@shaneharrison4775 3 жыл бұрын
Dont fault ya there hes a righteous dude
@shaneharrison4775
@shaneharrison4775 3 жыл бұрын
@@Trohawkk idk sure got me
@dousethisanymore
@dousethisanymore 3 жыл бұрын
10 Q . To
@phillanassa759
@phillanassa759 2 жыл бұрын
Good video, showing how to properly diagnose using a multichannel scope to trace 3800 ignition woes without resorting to the shotgun replacement method. Nice to know there are some techs out here who still do it right! I worked on the 3800 series 1 equipped GM's which were new at the time, around 1986. That is when I was a young buck tech out of school working for Anderson Buick Oldsmobile Pontiac in Baltimore, fresh out of Lincoln Tech. As I recall some of these GM port fuel cars will disable the coil pack(s) on the cylinders that detect the active misfire(s). This would kill both cylinders fired by that particular coil The unused waste spark fires simultaneously on the companion cylinder's exhaust stroke. In other words, both coil secondary terminals fire at the same time; the cylinder to be fired on TDC compression. The other cylinder opposing it in the firing order fires as well. Sometimes to get the PCM to fire the coil on a misfiring cylinder with a code set for that cylinder, clearing the PCM and erase the engine codes is required. This allows the quad driver(s) in the PCM to ground that coil, enabling the PCM to control each of the 3 coils. For the 3 pairs of module terminals provided, one terminal provides 12vdc at all times, either in KOEO or KOER, the same scenario with the 12vdc fuel injectors. Cam and crank sensors, along with MAP-Baro, MAF, ECM and IAT control timing and injector pulse. Engine cold, this runs the engine off the IAC-engine RPM, base ignition timing and injector pulse / fuel tables. Once at normal operating temperature, the PCM uses adaptive strategy which is then altered based on the sensor inputs. A Quad Driver is a fancy name for transistors that control the ground to various 12vdc devices controlled by the PCM-ECM, whether a simple off-on state, or pulse width modulated. Another popular stumbling point is making sure the right number cylinders are on the correct coil towers, since you can swap them among all 3 positions and mix up the numbers on top of the coil, or in the case of new coils, there are no numbers on the replacement coils. Once everything is running and codes are cleared you will also need to go in with the scan tool and set the RPM rev limiter. Typically on these engines, unless the module was new-ish, at the dealer we would recommend replacing the coil module as well. Running bad coils, multiple misfires, or shorted ignition secondary would stress the module and cause it to fail shortly after a a coil was replaced. Better to err on the side of caution and prevent a possible come back than have the car die shortly after the customer picks it up thinking everything was good. On the 1st generation 3800's the coils were all one. The coil brick as we called it came as a set of 3 coils in one, with 3 pairs of wired terminals that plug into the coil brick. These were even more notorious in failing for no real reason, and simply running with one plug wire accidentally disconnected could blow the coil and module.
@Chino196
@Chino196 2 жыл бұрын
This Channel should be called the fixing a Buick Channel! Lol just by chance I got three recommended videos and all involved a Buick lol! Great stuff I appreciate the thoroughness👍 Staten islander here btw😎
@GNX157
@GNX157 5 жыл бұрын
To save everyone the search, there is no part two. Deep in the comments below the channel mentions that the owner basically brought over coils and ICM from a junk car and that was installed and the car ran fine.
@rons1286
@rons1286 5 жыл бұрын
Omg!! This Ivan guy didn't repair this car?
@philllsxga.7737
@philllsxga.7737 5 жыл бұрын
GNX 157👍👍👍
@lifewithassburgers8000
@lifewithassburgers8000 5 жыл бұрын
What was the ohms for the new coils?????
@NotHarry-er3wg
@NotHarry-er3wg 4 жыл бұрын
oh yea..ok. well ive been searching till now! Thank Bro!
@joshfenton5522
@joshfenton5522 4 жыл бұрын
What the name of the channel that Keith has?
@busterbriley2119
@busterbriley2119 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy watching a master at work. Watching this video reminds me of a sign someone placed over my work bench. It stated ‘no matter how good you are there is always someone better’. I always knew I can learn from others no matter who they are. Thanks for the education.
@dil6969
@dil6969 7 жыл бұрын
HELL YEAH! When it's 2:00AM and I've got nothing to do, seeing this pop-up in my notifications is a blessing.
@TheForcedinductn
@TheForcedinductn 7 жыл бұрын
Literally what just happened to me. Nice car btw, I also have a first gen red MX-5 :D :D
@dil6969
@dil6969 7 жыл бұрын
Pop-up masterrace :)
@brianglade848
@brianglade848 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing to do?....stop by the Avoca Smoke Shop, we will open the door, get a tug job in a refurbished barber chair
@dans_Learning_Curve
@dans_Learning_Curve 7 жыл бұрын
South Main Auto Repair and Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics are my "go to" videos to watch! What a treat to have both of you on the same video!
@stilllearning6035
@stilllearning6035 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Scanner Danner....All 3 of these guys, it's like holding 2 Aces and a wild card
@scottjanoso4475
@scottjanoso4475 7 ай бұрын
Agreed
@jeroldlawrence5186
@jeroldlawrence5186 10 ай бұрын
I'm also a retired Master mechanic as well . We call you Sherlock around here. It's like watching a detective searching for clues.. Lol!!! Been there done that it can be very frustrating ,but so rewarding when the case is solved . Love your work ethic. Keep it up !!!
@Truthseeker4449
@Truthseeker4449 7 жыл бұрын
Bringing Kieth in and just listening to that experience and the way he just beat you guys down made me laugh my ass off. Great video.
@johnbuglioli9967
@johnbuglioli9967 3 жыл бұрын
No freaking way Jose. The dynamic duo. Good job guys. Have a good weekend. JB🐴🐴🐴
@rcchar
@rcchar 7 жыл бұрын
I just love it you two took Keith over 2,000 subscribers. I can't wait to see him do some repair videos.
@nickharding7713
@nickharding7713 7 жыл бұрын
I almost expected the ending to be "Remember viewers- If we can't do it, Keith can....thanks for watching"
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 7 жыл бұрын
nick harding tue story right there
@MuhammadAli-su3oo
@MuhammadAli-su3oo 7 жыл бұрын
nick harding it happens sometimes, therefore we say; knowledge has no boundaries.
@hendrix87boss
@hendrix87boss 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes u repair so many things u think it's one but it's really another and u lose urself just one them days Eric still my fav mechanic saved me lots
@marksteele45
@marksteele45 2 жыл бұрын
That was good!
@NewLevelAuto
@NewLevelAuto 7 жыл бұрын
That's what we call a set up🤔.. You guys really went I depth here and it was awesome as always! Real stars right there folks.
@OneAuto
@OneAuto 7 жыл бұрын
Wasn't that awesome Keith and a great part you played. I checked out your channel before I watched it and you were at 850 subs then after the vid I went back and you were at 1700! That's crazy. Get in touch we need to trade stickers! 🍻
@NewLevelAuto
@NewLevelAuto 7 жыл бұрын
One Auto, Absolutley will Rob , getting a P.O box tomorrow, thought I had more time 😀
@OneAuto
@OneAuto 7 жыл бұрын
OK buddy let me know 👍
@Badgertronix
@Badgertronix 7 жыл бұрын
I'll get my Canadian secretary to send you some Charlie stickers
@Anonymous-it5jw
@Anonymous-it5jw 3 жыл бұрын
This was great! Thanks guys for showing us the problem and for calling Keith.
@dans_Learning_Curve
@dans_Learning_Curve 3 жыл бұрын
You guys need to do more videos together! Wealth of knowledge! Entertaining! Watching this for the 2nd or third time.
@erickieffer8440
@erickieffer8440 Жыл бұрын
It has been a privilege and a joy to watch this video, thank you Ivan and Eric.
@for2utube
@for2utube 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Someday people are going to be looking back at these videos and say "Man, those were the best days of youtube!"
@anthonyguida4889
@anthonyguida4889 7 жыл бұрын
I want to start this comment off by saying thank you for all of these videos. I have learned so much. to the point where I started working on people's cars as a side job.. as of today, I just got hired as a tech working on porche race cars. in a shop that will allow me to grow beyond anything I thought would have been possible. I still have so so much to learn. but your videos in particular helped me get into the position I am in today. I will be forever grateful.
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 7 жыл бұрын
Oh cool man glad to hear that
@brianglade848
@brianglade848 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!!!
@anthonyguida4889
@anthonyguida4889 3 жыл бұрын
3 years later, I am a crew chief on a prototype race car running in the IMSA series. I still watch all your videos. Again thank you so much for all of the content. I am living a dream.
@bobmoy3406
@bobmoy3406 7 жыл бұрын
"Test not Guess" Done, subscribed to New Level Auto
@Mephiston
@Mephiston 3 жыл бұрын
4 years later, and New Level has 32k subs.
@Cidran100
@Cidran100 2 жыл бұрын
I love how they figured out what is wrong but didn't just stop there they stayed with it to figure out exactly what is wrong! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!
@TheCowgirlNiamh
@TheCowgirlNiamh 7 жыл бұрын
Subscribed to Keith and Ivan! What a happy bunch you are. Great to see people enjoying their work :)
@randywhite7302
@randywhite7302 6 жыл бұрын
Just found this site really appreciate your time and effort in helping out with the more difficult problem
@TheFrenchPug
@TheFrenchPug 2 жыл бұрын
This might be one of my favorite videos. Love the collaboration of all three of you. That was fun to watch. You would have eventually got there I'm sure.
@mrfish3961
@mrfish3961 Жыл бұрын
👍 👍 👍💥
@chuckcampbell3927
@chuckcampbell3927 2 жыл бұрын
🛑Eric,🛑 Here it is, 3:35am and I've watched this video two times already tonight. This is good stuff (priceless really)!!!! This is the kind of content that is so educational. But the real reason that I adopted you as my number one and favorite channel is; You know when it's time to rely 0n an old fashioned "🐆-SCAN"! My wife said that that was proof you are a great Auto tech. I must admit I wish I had your savvy. I've got over $70,000 tied up and tools and scan tools, but my uncle keeps reminding me by saying; "Sonny boy, you got to be smarter than the tools you use" I believe there's some truth to that Eric. YOU ARE A TRUE CREDIT TO THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY. Ivan seems like a high integrity guy also. GOD bless 🛑📖🛐🛫🛬🛑 🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆
@STREETSTANG07
@STREETSTANG07 7 жыл бұрын
Very impressive once again. I finally purchased an Autel ms906 scanner for my shop. Definitely opens up a new world. Thanks again.
@thomasfx3190
@thomasfx3190 Жыл бұрын
I’m always impressed with Mr. O and his troubleshooting abilities. Always careful and pragmatic makes use of his excellent diagnostic tools and teaches us in the ways of South Main Auto. Terrific video! I was following along until you started pulling coils and it was all vudu from there. 😉
@caduceus33
@caduceus33 7 жыл бұрын
You two have a great rapport working together. And an awful lot of diagnostic brainpower too!
@johnbuglioli9967
@johnbuglioli9967 3 жыл бұрын
Tail between my legs say it ain't so. He just elaborated on what you already had instead of the dynamic duo we have the Three Musketeers. Good job. JB🤩
@SeanHollingsworth
@SeanHollingsworth 4 жыл бұрын
This video is exceptionally useful!! Thanks for staying late on a Friday, and being exceedingly detailed with the diagnostics. I learned a lot! :-)
@kennyLLC
@kennyLLC 6 жыл бұрын
You should rename this video to " BADDEST ENGINE EVER PUT ON THE HIGHWAY - GM 3800 6cyl runs on two ! "Even without this amazing story it would still be true.
@brianglade848
@brianglade848 3 жыл бұрын
My dad kept the bottom drawer of his toolbox as his pee bin, it was totally rusted, and smelled like cats
@andrewdonohue1853
@andrewdonohue1853 3 жыл бұрын
@Robert Slackware maybe, but dumping all of that raw gas and having it find it's way into the oil is not good lubrication. you would have to unplug the injectors on the dead cylinders possibly
@xPreatorianx1
@xPreatorianx1 2 жыл бұрын
@Kenny Coultrap The 3800 is one of the best engines ever built, right up there with a coyote, and K series. Don't knock it just because the damn thing absolutely refuses to give up even when you disable 3/4 of the engine. PS: Full disclosure, YES I'm a fanboy. Own an 05 Impala 3.8 9c1. Cops beat the hell out of it, I bought the car with the title at 166k. Odometer read upper 80s. It's now at 175K and besides a crank no start two days ago (Oddly enough the ICM went) it runs like a freaking champ. But then again, considering it's my work vehicle, I maintain the ever living shit out of it. As I run it 200+ miles a day. Now, I will say, thanks to the insane mileage on it (I'm guessing with the discrepancy probably at or above the 300K true mileage) everything besides the engine and transmission has broke on it. But you know what? She keeps kicking for me, I'll keep treating her right. Hell, when the transmission goes, I'll get it rebuilt. Love this car and the only way I'll ever junk it, is if I buy another one with lower mileage.
@francoistombe
@francoistombe 2 жыл бұрын
Running on two that smoothly is amazing. However all that unburned fuel is bad for the catalytic converter. Do it long enough and you can look forward to a bunch of P0420s in the future.
@zxtenn
@zxtenn 5 жыл бұрын
You guys make an AMAZING team, you should have a line of customers with your knowledge and troubleshooting skills
@3347861
@3347861 6 жыл бұрын
You're a class act, my friend. Working overtime to get him back on the road. Happy new year! Best wishes to you and yours!
@pinpointautomotiverepair1592
@pinpointautomotiverepair1592 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, I definitely haven't seen a failure like this before! I'm with everyone on Keith making vids soon, that man is a wealth of knowledge.
@charliearroyo4809
@charliearroyo4809 6 жыл бұрын
80s present GMs are known to this problem. The older OBD1 systems will make you crazy
@roadkill5333
@roadkill5333 7 жыл бұрын
Well, you guys have done it!! He has two thousand subs, and is posting videos!! Great job getting Keith on here!! And in one day, no less!!
@haywardsautomotive6156
@haywardsautomotive6156 7 жыл бұрын
Double Bonus...Video on Sunday & Ivan & You diagnosing together! Well you picked a good one and I can see how it was easy for the other shop to misdiagnose by not investigating as far as you guys did but they may have been airing on the side of caution with the coils. So what was the conclusion or is there a video. Was busy today doing a radiator and CV shaft on my Mother-in-laws Aveo. Started yesterday as a simple oil & filter, then progressed from there. Keith is a great person and always has time to help. I can't wait to see him in action on his videos. Thanks again for all the videos from SMA & PHD which are always enjoyable to watch!
@bryanball8909
@bryanball8909 4 жыл бұрын
I love working with someone who knows as much if not more than me. The going back and forth between you two was amazing to watch. Awesome video.
@dannylinc6247
@dannylinc6247 8 ай бұрын
Pull a Fart motors, poot speaking. Yeah theres over twenty years on those parts. The wires and plugs resistance can be higher and the failing module and over-taxed coils have outlived themselves. Your testing teaches alot, thanks very much. But at this age, the baloney in the spark sandwich is not enough, the bread needs to be replaced, the mustard surfaces cleaned, and the hors d' vors plugs and high tension leads. Somebody elses newer GM parts will work great. It can make it the rest of the way. Man its great having you both and you even phoned a friend and gave us another source in Keith. Im in the shop with true greatness in diagnostics, (you must get paid for working.) I am not worthy. We are not worthy ! Seriously, though, i learned alot Eric O, and IVAN. Thanks.
@Salvo100
@Salvo100 6 жыл бұрын
I went through a similar scenario with my 99 Series 2, for an engine to run that good on two cylinders, wow.
@brycejames2127
@brycejames2127 6 жыл бұрын
I have a caddy cts with a 3.6L. Have 98,000 miles on a performance timing chain I installed some years ago, no more problem. 👍
@samuelgarcia7776
@samuelgarcia7776 3 жыл бұрын
You guys are excellent techs.!!! It is sooooo refreshing to see you guys do proper diagnostics on this 3.8L!! This is how techs are supposed to be able to do things!! I have worked in shops and seen soooo many shade tree mechanics throw parts at the car to try to diagnose the problem, then the owner of the car ends up buying several new parts that they didn't need!!! That type of tech is who causes the rest of us REAL TECHS to get bad names!! BUT, like I tell the customer, I promise them UP FRONT that I will correctly diagnose the problem from the start, and I will only have the purchase the exact part the car needs to fix it!! I always tell people, almost anybody can change car parts!! Usually if a person can figure out how to get the part off they can usually get it back on the car!! But it takes a real tech to do a correct diagnostic the first time, and be able to tell the customer what the real issue is with their car, and not replace parts until they find the problem!!! So great job guys!!! It was nice to watch your video and use your video to show people how correct diagnostics are done!! It's hard for me to personally show people correct diagnostics procedures, because I can't take people to work with me!! So thank you guys!! Great job!!!
@luisrocha1726
@luisrocha1726 5 жыл бұрын
This is the most interesting diagnosis by far, thanks to you guys, if I should ever come across this, I'll know exactly what to do. Thanks again.
@josephwash109
@josephwash109 7 жыл бұрын
Possibly the reason the coils sparked during cranking and not when the engine was running is because this ignition system is the bypass type. During cranking and at low engine speeds, the PCM does not apply 5 volts to the ignition control timing signal circuit (Pin B on the ignition module). At that time, the ICM controls the saturation time of the coil windings. Once the engine starts and the PCM starts receiving crankshaft sensor pulses, it applies 5 volts to the IC timing signal circuit and the PCM controls the dwell and spark timing. It's almost a primitive communications line between these two modules. I would figure the dwell is longer from the ICM to make sure the coils saturate well to help the engine start faster.The only reason why this engine is probably able to run on two cylinders is because of its unique firing order (1-6-5-4-3-2) and the fact that they have an internal balance shaft to help the engine run smoothly.I had the GM service manual handy, and decided to throw my two cents in. I couldn't find the primary coil resistance spec, but if I remember right, it's 0.3-0.8 ohms.I'm definitely going to subscribe to Keith's channel. I want to see the crazy stuff too!
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 жыл бұрын
Now that theory I like very much! Yes, the difference may be explained by whether the ICM is in bypass mode or not. Great thinking!
@Micko350
@Micko350 6 жыл бұрын
Joseph Wash isn't the firing order 153624?
@brianglade848
@brianglade848 3 жыл бұрын
In the 70s, my dad used the Claxon 55 as his go to diagnostic tool, was right next to the Sun dwell meter and pee bucket
@stacydornan9765
@stacydornan9765 5 жыл бұрын
Even the best get stumped sometimes Eric and Ivan.Always good to know someone like Kieth when you get into troubled waters
@patrickstevens7786
@patrickstevens7786 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see both of you working together!
@SnickasBah
@SnickasBah 6 жыл бұрын
I understand about 20 percent of what you’re saying and I still find it interesting as hell.
@mightyORFEN
@mightyORFEN 4 жыл бұрын
At least i understand what youre saying.
@empressironbladder8942
@empressironbladder8942 4 жыл бұрын
Same here. I have the same problem at the repair shop, but at least if’s FREE to listen on the channel here.
@mikefranklin3528
@mikefranklin3528 3 жыл бұрын
I'm progressing from complete moron status to a moron with a clue but I'm always entertained with SMA
@SnickasBah
@SnickasBah 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikefranklin3528 lol
@joebrock9784
@joebrock9784 2 жыл бұрын
Alright guy had a 36 that went 200,000 Mi without needing anything it just matters if you change your oil and you hot rod around in them they're not going to hold up but my aunt went through three Impalas with the same engine because she went with GM's five thousand mile oil changes and they all went and burnt oil
@valleyautodiagnostics
@valleyautodiagnostics 7 жыл бұрын
Get Keith to do movies from weird electrical problems what he's dealing every day!Love your videos guys!Always cool to wath Eric and Ivan shooting a video together
@robertjeffery6100
@robertjeffery6100 2 жыл бұрын
Great to see you guys working together
@xanderlander8989
@xanderlander8989 5 жыл бұрын
Nice work guys. Eric, you get the the most broken cars that still run. I don't how many times I've said to myself "how is this thing still running?” while watching your channel.
@oliverrojas7117
@oliverrojas7117 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks to both of you.. This diagnostic video helps teach a whole new dimension of automotive repair when you go over the electrical impulses of automotive engines. Seeing the electrical impulses of each cylinder coil pack as it ran or the absence of it in some cases is like watching a video on the electrical impulses of a heart.
@justinp8946
@justinp8946 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah I truly miss the 3.8 and 5.7
@wrasya120
@wrasya120 4 жыл бұрын
4.3l
@shaneharrison4775
@shaneharrison4775 3 жыл бұрын
@@wrasya120 which one tbi dpi or the spider injection mpfi or mfi the 4.3,,L had them all
@nestorlugo.
@nestorlugo. 3 жыл бұрын
The 4.3 in my dad's truck smokes all mustangs they're badass
@dwoodog
@dwoodog 7 жыл бұрын
vantage pro, looks pretty sweet. Loved that Ivan stuck around to make this video. Watching you two work together was great.
@paulcarroll750
@paulcarroll750 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome collaboration. Eric and Ivan together again. You guys have so much fun together it is easy to forget that you are actually working. Subbed to keith's channel.
@tartotts
@tartotts 7 жыл бұрын
Those 3.8 engines are tanks. My fav motor by far!!
@forsakenmopars116
@forsakenmopars116 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I love the 3.8. Good power, decent mpg and stupid reliable.
@zrafferty
@zrafferty 3 жыл бұрын
3.5 dohc is mine hella fun to drive
@zrafferty
@zrafferty 3 жыл бұрын
@@designstudio8013 most engines use a plastic manifold now days since its cheaper to produce. My 3.5 was stable as a rock 99 intrigue had 320k before I sent her to junkyard due to the rear struts blowing out from it being a w body
@ezgezg8618
@ezgezg8618 3 жыл бұрын
@@zrafferty why not put new struts on her?
@zrafferty
@zrafferty 3 жыл бұрын
@@ezgezg8618 it was the whole tower where it mounted into ripped off
@JamesLee-oe7mt
@JamesLee-oe7mt 7 жыл бұрын
OMG ive spent considerable time trying to figure out why some GM cars start so fast? Ive even posted on forums asking this question without a well explained answer. And here is the answer around 14 minutes in! I know it isnt much but youve inadvertantly made my week.
@Kevinsrack
@Kevinsrack 6 жыл бұрын
My Grand Prix I used to have only had to hit TDC on one, two cylinders max before it would fire right up. Interesting now to understand why!
@mikechiodetti6737
@mikechiodetti6737 5 жыл бұрын
You two get the really good ones! The Hundai with the camshaft causing the fuel trim problem, a two part video is the one I'm talking about! Great Video, thanks to both of you AND Keith's information also!
@HarleyQuinn-qq8ln
@HarleyQuinn-qq8ln 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos have been very helpful. My 2000 LeSabre lost power and was running on 4 cylinders but I was able to determine a faulty ICM by swapping coils. My local Autozone wanted $185 for just the ICM but I found one on Amazon with 3 new coils for $120. After an easy install the car runs like new. Thank you! :)
@Cavalier_Steve
@Cavalier_Steve 7 жыл бұрын
Right off to Keith's channel now and subscribe let's hope this encourages him to make some videos.
@DylanRabier
@DylanRabier 7 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video! That was crazy guys. Still scratching my head 😮 It's a real bonus to see the 2 of you in one video. Also when Eric called Keith you should've seen the look on your faces. Priceless. That is one smart son of a gun. Subscribed to his channel #1903 ... 97 to go 😎
@jw4620
@jw4620 6 жыл бұрын
You blew up my ancient 'points and plugs' brain. Terrific show!
@andrewlace
@andrewlace 4 жыл бұрын
Cdi module is a common fault. Often times someone's done the parts swap and left out the heatsink paste. Cool video. Thanks for being refreshingly honest and showing us the basics.
@xplorearizona154
@xplorearizona154 7 жыл бұрын
I love the 3.8. Got one in my 03 Regal. 120,000 miles and still running strong
@baldy194859
@baldy194859 5 жыл бұрын
a 3.8 or 3800, whatever you want to call it is a great engine ! I had one in a 88 Oldsmobile delta 88 and one in a 97 Buick Lesabre !
@willgeorgiadis6472
@willgeorgiadis6472 5 жыл бұрын
167k on mine runs great
@animalcorvair
@animalcorvair 5 жыл бұрын
it will go an go an go .. have one in my 95 transport 200.000 miles one in my 02 grandprix ,,my boys 91 regal had 350,000 on it till he sold it still ran great rust was getting it
@daveyio87
@daveyio87 7 жыл бұрын
I love watching these diag videos and would love to see some of the stuff Keith sees! Its like having another strategy on approaching these strange problems vs using service information! Also for the timing chains you guys mentioned I love doing them also, even under warranty they still pay pretty good, and so do doing pistons and rings on the equinox.
@AP9311
@AP9311 7 жыл бұрын
woke up to nice Sunday morning and fresh hot black coffee and now SMA pops up on my notification! this is pure genius of Dr Eric O and Ivan T with Keith D via phone. this is way over the top video I've ever watched. if there was multiple thumbs up. i definitely would!!! you got that from me. can't wait to see Part 2 of this classic trio working and fixing this misfire issue! kudos to ya guys!
@MrDeleoco
@MrDeleoco 5 жыл бұрын
Good, Clean, Family Entertainment....Educational, Intellectual, Troubleshooting and Problem solving, Just what I needed to see to help me figure out a similar problem. Looking forward to more like this. A big THANK YOU.
@NotSoCrazyNinja
@NotSoCrazyNinja 5 жыл бұрын
First part of the video is a good example of why mechanics (or anyone who owns or runs a business) should always treat every customer right. Customers talk to other people. If a customer had a good experience and felt like they were treated fairly, they will tell their friends, family, and so forth. More customers, more profits, and loyalty. I've been screwed over by so many mechanics. Screw me over once, I'm done with you and I will tell others if need be. I've taken some time to educate myself on diagnosing vehicle issues. I can't diagnose everything, but I can get a pretty good idea of what's wrong before I take it to someone. Right now I'm between mechanics because the last one never seemed to want to work on the vehicle and I'm a bit "gun shy". There's another mechanic I'll probably try because I've heard others talk good about him and he seems like a nice guy.
@robs6295
@robs6295 3 жыл бұрын
The load pro (used as a wheel chock) is actually a pretty good tool. We use it a good bit to put a "load" on a circuit to check wiring. But with all the other cool tools available I can see why that one is lonely.
@ChevyConQueso
@ChevyConQueso 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was a little taken back by that. Those are a fantastic tool, and way more convenient than doing a traditional lightbulb test. I suppose if you have a Power Probe IV or better it'll do the same thing, but no reason to trash the Loadpro.
@Just_Your_Average_Guy
@Just_Your_Average_Guy 5 жыл бұрын
You guys are just WAY to smart. LOL. I'm seriously impressed with the knowledge and skills you guys have. I managed to follow along but left alone I would be seriously lost. Way to go, guys!
@christianpaul3303
@christianpaul3303 2 жыл бұрын
You never stop learning. I've done what I do for almost 40 years and still learn something every day. ;)
@Jpilgrim30
@Jpilgrim30 7 жыл бұрын
I love how you guys joke about that stuff because it's something we see every day and can relate to. Customer comes in with a print out from AutoZone/Advance and says they need an O2 sensor. I do my damnedest to tell them that it doesn't mean they need an O2 sensor and it's probably something else and they should pay for a diagnostic. Some do but there is always the knuckle head that will refuse and demand that you change the oxygen sensor because they are too smart to be tricked into paying for a proper diagnosis. Depending on their attitude they might get a free check to educate them and gain a customer or they might get a waiver saying that they want it changed and we didn't recommend it. Either way we usually gain a customer because they come back with their head down wanting to pay for a diagnostic. These parts stores with free code scans and uneducated shops are bad for our industry and make it even harder for us shops out there that do things the right way.
@44R0Ndin
@44R0Ndin 5 жыл бұрын
IMO the part stores that have free code scans are more and more a necessity for anyone trying to repair their own vehicle. Some of those people who try to fix their own cars become actual mechanics. Some of those eventually specialize in vehicle diagnostics. So before you say those free code scans are bad for the industry, think about where the new techs are coming from. Uneducated shops ARE bad for the industry. There needs to be more and more affordable education on the complex systems modern vehicles have inside them. Those unwilling to learn how the new stuff works will never prosper. My dad's been in the auto repair business for about 40 years now, and he still goes to seminars and classes to stay current on new technology. He doesn't have a scope or a very modern scan tool, but he still manages to replace the right part (and only the right part) 99% of the time. No "parts cannon" here. Meanwhile I'm here fixing lawnmowers and other outdoor power equipment. The only "scan tools" I have are my eyes, ears, and nose. I make more mistakes than my Dad does, but I still fix 100% of the things that get brought in to my bay. Lots of carburetor rebuilding in my line of work.
@Ensource
@Ensource 3 жыл бұрын
@@44R0Ndin true that!
@slabbinonspokezz2375
@slabbinonspokezz2375 3 жыл бұрын
Your shop maybe legit but not all shops are. There are shops not all but some out there that get over on customers any chance they get. Claiming they can get the part for you at a discounted price but the customer doesn't reap the benefit of the cheap part because the shop feels justified in raising the labor cost because the part was cheap. Its worse when a shop tells you that any part bought outside the shop voids your warranty on any repair they do which is total bs.i rarely have these issues because I know my shit and bring my car to reputable shops for diagnosis or a job I simply don't have time or the tools for.
@dmo848
@dmo848 3 жыл бұрын
I used to be that guy. But when I really don't Kno what's wrong, I'll always bow my head and ask for help
@babycakes8434
@babycakes8434 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is that the shops charge for diagnostics $120 and they don't even tell you what the problem is because they couldn't find it. I once was had a problem with my car, and I replace few parts that could be the culprit, but it didn't fix the problem. Eventually after few months of looking for the cause, I said Ok I will spend $120 for diagnostics. Guess what, they were looking, and they didn't find anything, but because of that they charged me "only" $60. Well, that put me in the sqaure one again. I eventually figured it out myself after another year of looking. But what I am trying to say is that they will not always tell you what the problem is. If I had to pay $120 every time for diagnostics, I would need to buy a bicycle instead, because my car is breaking and needs new parts every few months.
@JOHNPHUFNAGEL
@JOHNPHUFNAGEL 7 жыл бұрын
That was one of the best videos I have seen!! I already subscribed to keith's channel awhile ago
@keithfrisell4271
@keithfrisell4271 7 жыл бұрын
Eric thanks for replying to my question. I really enjoy ur videos. And even though iam a ASE and GM mechanic I have learned something new from your videos, you are entertaining with your comments about replacement parts , thx again and have a great night. Your loyal fan Keith
@davemaster001
@davemaster001 7 жыл бұрын
Always nice to see Ivan show up
@Badgertronix
@Badgertronix 7 жыл бұрын
I saw Keith's video first and now it all makes sense. Cool case study and I was with you until the master burst your bubble
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 7 жыл бұрын
yeahhh... he does that time to time
@OneAuto
@OneAuto 7 жыл бұрын
Outstanding work guys!! I checked out Keith's channel just before I watched this vid and he was at like 850 subs, then I went back after and he was at 1700! Damn that's more than me in a year and 53 vids LOL. Love the collaboration videos 👍
@andytaylor1588
@andytaylor1588 5 жыл бұрын
As of right now, Keith has 10, 504 subs. Quite an outstanding network you guys are building. Great diag job too.
@angelahahn3046
@angelahahn3046 6 жыл бұрын
Ive had a crank but no start problem twice on a 3800 and both times it was the ignition control module. Wish i wouldve found this video back when i didnt know much about the ignition system on these motors, great job explaining how to test everything!
@Discretesignals
@Discretesignals 7 жыл бұрын
I would sell the customer the Icm, 3 coils, wires, plugs, and change the oil to protect the repair. you could have a coil secondary voltage leaking into the primary causing icm control and current limiting issues. Worn out plugs and wires could be stressing out the coils which over time started the issue. just my two cents.
@stevebucuris8420
@stevebucuris8420 7 жыл бұрын
absolutely
@Joseph1NJ
@Joseph1NJ 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The ICM and coils are most expensive, you're protecting that investment with new wires and plugs, which are least expensive.
@dalewesley1662
@dalewesley1662 3 жыл бұрын
And if plug gap to narrow you will go in auto pilot mode, until exhaust sensor gets hot, is it winter time 😱😱😱😱
@SteveRobReviews
@SteveRobReviews 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome guys , look forward to seeing Onboardtech333 uploading some wild diagnostic vids .
@morganplisken7271
@morganplisken7271 3 ай бұрын
Damn, I started watching this because of an O2 sensor and couldn’t stop watching. Great Job
@stephenwgreen78
@stephenwgreen78 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome to see who the experts call with questions
@wyattoneable
@wyattoneable 7 жыл бұрын
As good as this video was, bringing in Keith was over the top! Outstanding case study!
@SouthMainAuto
@SouthMainAuto 7 жыл бұрын
wyattoneable yeah he is always there to fill us in with extra details and experience!
@wyattoneable
@wyattoneable 7 жыл бұрын
Like you, he's called me a few times always offering to help. You all are the best.
@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP
@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP 7 жыл бұрын
All that was missing here- was Scotty Kilmer popping up out of the trunk.
@brianglade848
@brianglade848 3 жыл бұрын
Scotty.....cocaine's a wicked drug
@jimzivny1554
@jimzivny1554 7 жыл бұрын
Keith's the Yoda of automotive electronics!
@joshfenton5522
@joshfenton5522 4 жыл бұрын
Jim Zivny what’s the name of his channel?
@brianglade848
@brianglade848 3 жыл бұрын
Channel is called Tug Jobs
@547Rick
@547Rick 7 жыл бұрын
Now that was entertaining and informational all in one video. Thanks for sharing! Yes I did subscribe to Keith Channel. As of Sunday at 1:06 PM he was up to 1,190 subscribers.
@frankl1955
@frankl1955 5 жыл бұрын
I got a kick out it when you scoffed at the AAA assessment at first. Looking back on my 63 years I realize that the only time I got in trouble was when I thought I knew it all. That being said you are about the best all around automotive guy so I can overlook you being human.
@craig1974
@craig1974 7 жыл бұрын
As an owner of one of these cars with the Buick V6's i will say that if your a do it yourselfer its always great to have a spare coil, and module on hand just in case something catastrophic happens on the road. One thing i learned is if you are ever playing around with the radiator be sure to cover up the coil packs because they will possibly misfire if antifreeze is splashed on them.
@d-d-d-djdosedrapmixx5102
@d-d-d-djdosedrapmixx5102 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with this I went to pick and pull after finally tracking down a bad icm on my 2000 Buick lesabre....these cars need maintenance kept up or they will blow out ignition components.....I keep 2 extra icm's a crank shaft A and 2 coils on me
@neilmoore3856
@neilmoore3856 4 жыл бұрын
I carry a extra full coil pack/icm in my 04 LeSabre all the time
@n0to-219
@n0to-219 3 жыл бұрын
100% .. I carry a spare ICM and 2 spare coils in my daily driver (02’ lesabre /w 3800) .. I’ve had 3 of these motors as daily drivers in the last 6 years and all have needed new coils and ICMs .. and of course intake manifold gaskets, haha .. the lesabre I’m driving now was giving me the dreaded max line pressure transmission issue .. dropped in a shift kit from TransGO and she’s shifting smooth as ever.
@brianglade848
@brianglade848 3 жыл бұрын
My dad bolted a bucket on the side of his Matco tool box circa 1975 to take a dump in, he said the restrooms at the dealership we're worse than a truck stop in Bavaria
@harpoon_bakery162
@harpoon_bakery162 3 жыл бұрын
mine starts great (2001), but smokes...something leaking out of the front head maybe? no milky oil but seems like signs of blown head-gasket? but she'll start up and run great , 179,000. should i yank the heads and replace the head-gaskets? Did get some white smoke out of the exhaust a while back. it's just been sitting not used until i figure it out. but just started it the other day, purrs like a kitten but something's not right with the oily looking block.
@baxrok2.
@baxrok2. 7 жыл бұрын
Damn, all the greats either present or accounted for in one video. Eric, Ivan, Paul, and Keith! Maybe one day we can add, Dwayne, Joe, Tom, and Thomas. The ultimate meetup plan. It's a good time to be a automotive diagnostics KZfaq junkie! Thanks so much all!!
@Starcrunch72
@Starcrunch72 7 жыл бұрын
Oh my, then the vortex will open and they will get sucked out of our timeline never to be heard from again...
@frankl1955
@frankl1955 5 жыл бұрын
What about Scotty? I know a lot of people consider him a hack but not everyone has the tools and knowledge for such in-depth troubleshooting. Sure he might throw a part or two at it that is not actually bad but in my experience when a car gets to a certain point everything is on its way out even if its not actually bad at the time.
@jessewilliamson82
@jessewilliamson82 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! I am no where near the technician you are but i have lots of experience with 3800s and 3.8s. I find out my customers intention with the vehicle before working on it. If they plan to keep it i would have replaced the plugs and wires 3 coils and the ignition module with delco components. Just keeps from having comebacks and smother running car with better fuel mileage. I also check the intake for leaking and smell for bad fuel pressure regulator for a bad diaphragm. That seems to fix the biggest problems with the engine. I am learning a lot from all the videos and appreciate the time you spend. God Bless.
@alexw288
@alexw288 7 жыл бұрын
That was awesome that you called your buddy and he was able to give you more info
@farmboy30117
@farmboy30117 7 жыл бұрын
Good to see you and Ivan collaborate again! Very interesting problem! Hope you do a follow-up vid!
@MemphisApplegate
@MemphisApplegate 5 жыл бұрын
These old Buicks were great. I drove a 1992 for about 15 years and I loved it. Finally traded it in because both the AC and the struts went out. The price of fixing the AC alone exceeded the value of the car, so I figured it was time.
@dr1johnson
@dr1johnson 4 жыл бұрын
was it R-12?
@brianglade848
@brianglade848 3 жыл бұрын
Use a Claxon 55 circa 1975, will purge the R-12 and seal at the same time
@rocknrod01
@rocknrod01 5 жыл бұрын
I'm always impressed with your thorough trouble shooting.
@wshultz74
@wshultz74 4 жыл бұрын
Those GM 3800 engines are great. When they are running correctly. Very interesting testing & wealth of knowledge.
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