Porsche / Tesla FRANKENROADSTER - Motor Swap

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Күн бұрын

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Check this electric conversion on a 2002 Porsche Boxster with a Tesla Model S P85 motor and Kia batteries, charger and Battery Management System. #electricvehicles #boxster #teslamotors
Transcript provided for the hearing impaired.
Alright, today on Repairs 101 this 2002 Porsche Boxster S electric conversion using a 2015 Tesla model S P85 motor and a 2015 Kia Soul battery, charger and battery management system.
This episode of Repairs 101 is sponsored by Princess Auto.
Hi, my name is Terry Moore. I’m a retired engineer and what I’m going to talk about is a Porsche Boxster which I have converted to an electric vehicle. This is a perfect conversion for a Tesla electric motor because everything fits in there very, very nicely.
The batteries for this conversion came out of a 2015 Kia Soul with about 20,000 miles or 30,000 kilometres on it.
The battery pack - there are eight modules and the total voltage is around 400 volts.
I’m using the existing Porsche radiators in the front of the car and I installed a Bosch water pump. This is the little Bosch water pump and basically it takes all of the water that comes from the radiator - the cooled water goes through here and this is the discharge which goes all the way down to the motor. From the motor it goes back into the return line which goes all the way up into the frunk, and that is where the charger is and then from the charger, it goes into the radiator and then back out through here. The cooled water goes through the pump and it goes back into the motor - that is the cycle.
What I’ve got is a 6.6 kilowatt high voltage charging system that came out of the same Kia Soul where I got the batteries. This charging system can plug into any J17-72 plug in, which is what the standard is for most ev voltages.
The motor we are using for this conversion is a sport motor that came out of Tesla P85, so it is a high-performance motor, putting out under full voltage about 460 horsepower. With a voltage pack that is currently in the vehicle, it’s probably going to put out around 345 horsepower or around 300 kilowatts.
It is a single-stage three phase motor with a single stage gear box with a ten to one reduction.
The motor basically bolts directly into the existing Porsche frame and with one modified drive shaft on each side, it is a direct couple to the existing Porsche drive system.
One of the more unique features about this conversion was that we had to install the Tesla motor backwards in the vehicle. When you run this Tesla motor backwards, you have to reserve the oil pump so that the oil properly flows through to lubricate the gear box plus the rest of the components there.
The next thing we had to look at was the power steering to the vehicle. So what I did was I got an old Volvo S40 electric hydraulic pump.
This is the vacuum pump. This is what basically provides the vacuum for the power braking system in the vehicle. Again it is a 12 volt system.
One of the more important components of an electric conversion is to put in DC/DC converter. And what that does - it takes the full voltage of the main battery, which in this case is the 400 volts and converts it down to a usable 12 to 12 and a half volts.
This is kind of the brains of the whole operation. This is called the BMS or the Battery Management System and what it does is it monitors the battery when it is being charged to make sure that all the batteries are charged at the same rate but also monitors when the car is operating, how the batteries are discharged so that they are all are discharged at the same rate so you don’t have a battery which is at a much lower voltage than the other batteries. All of the orange cabling that you see here goes to each of the individual batteries and can measure the temperature as well as the current which is going to and from each battery.
One of the biggest things we needed to do for this build is basically to support the motor and the battery in the car. The battery pack itself weighs around 400 pounds and the motor itself weighs is a little over 300 pounds so we needed something to support 700 to 800 pounds. What I found was a pre-built frame which was built for the Porsche Boxster and it came from F1 Moto in the UK. It bolted directly into the Porsche frame and so far, it’s worked very very well.

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@alleyoops69
@alleyoops69 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome project Steve and Terry!
@repairs101
@repairs101 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Johnny!
@Helpsmallbusinesses
@Helpsmallbusinesses 2 ай бұрын
you made everything look so easy. Looks like a fun ride!
@repairs101
@repairs101 2 ай бұрын
Terry says: Thanks for watching the video. The project was fun to execute and even more fun to drive.
@goatk1
@goatk1 2 ай бұрын
Working on my PE. Testing for my PMP this summer! MBA not sure yet! Love to see engineers still engineering!
@repairs101
@repairs101 2 ай бұрын
Rock on!
@repairs101
@repairs101 2 ай бұрын
Terry says: Thanks for watching!
@ckafam
@ckafam Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks. Looking forward to 0-60 times and useable range. Enjoy!
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'll get back to you when Terry has some data to report!
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
Terry says initial data suggests 1km per volt and 0 - 60(mph) in +3 seconds.
@EVBoxster
@EVBoxster Жыл бұрын
Well done. 👏🏻 You need to put the frame bolts the other way round (nut on top).
@StephenHeizer
@StephenHeizer 3 ай бұрын
Thanks! Very informative video. When you removed the clutch master cylinder, pedal and tubing, how did you plug the clutch supply line from the brake fluid master cylinder?
@repairs101
@repairs101 2 ай бұрын
Sorry for the delay - Terry is out of town. You can reach him directly at : mooret88 at outlook dot com
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
Received in my inbox: Hi It’s an absolutely great conversion. I’ve got a Porsche like that and I’m wondering if there is a guide for non-engineers with what and how to do and which parts to use. Thanks. Tom
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
Reply to Tom: There are lots of similar conversion out there. The video is a high level summary of what was done to this car. I have fully documented the tear-down and build which could be used as a guide only. Each build will be different because of the individuals choices for the electric motor, battery, control strategy, brakes, steering, etc. I may be able to put this into a PDF and offer it for sale. Terry.
@endostyle
@endostyle Жыл бұрын
@@repairs101 I would be interested in that a "guide" as well. I would like to convert the 2007/08 Cayman S. Most everything should be the same right?
@repairs101
@repairs101 2 ай бұрын
You can reach Terry directly at : mooret88 at outlook dot com
@dirkbergstrom9751
@dirkbergstrom9751 2 жыл бұрын
Nice.
@repairs101
@repairs101 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@geniustechnology3358
@geniustechnology3358 Жыл бұрын
Good luck
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
Received in my inbox: Ok that was absolutely fantastic. I grew up with a chevelle convertible when I was younger and recently I have purchased an older miata to fill that void. Great car. But my wife has an 28kwh ioniq electric and moving towards a second EV for me. Maybe the best of both worlds as no one makes an electric convertible. Really curious about it. What would be the cost to in materials alone? Batteries, tesla motor, mechanicals etc even a high cost estimate to do something like this? Any words of wisdom? I am in Vancouver as well. Great build Thanks! Elvis D
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
Reply to Elvis D: “So you want to convert a Miata to EV? The costs would be dependent on what components you want to put in the car. I have a Tesla LDU (Large Drive Unit) in the Boxster but I think you would need to go for a SDU (Small Drive Unit) or an Model 3 motor due to space limitations. The size and type of battery would be your next consideration. Batteries over 300V give you better range, but take up a lot of space, so you may need to sacrifice range for what you can fit in the car. The Boxster EV with a 400V battery can get around 130KM on a single charge. I’m guessing you would lose the use of you trunk to battery storage. BMS ( Battery Management System) and a suitable charger would also be needed. There are limited used EV components in Canada so you may have to buy new ($$$$). Used parts are more available in the USA but getting them across the border can be challenging. I have purchase parts from the USA, Canada, England, China and Spain. Parts alone for a good Lithium-Ion EV conversion will be north of $35K. I don’t want to discourage you as it was a great project, but it wasn’t cheap. Let me know if you need more info.” Terry M.
@elvisd8832
@elvisd8832 Жыл бұрын
Sorry I couldn’t cut up the miata. Actually I was interested in the Boxster as the swap. Definitely more bolt in that any small miata.
@Andy-zv4gj
@Andy-zv4gj Жыл бұрын
What did you do for the trans a conversion kit? I have an 06 forester that i want to convert while retaining the 5 speed i’m assuming i need an adapter and gear reduction?
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
I forwarded you question to Terry. His reply: I never intended to have a transmission in this conversion. I designed and built a drive hub adapter so the two motor output shaft bolts directly into the Porsche CV drive shafts. The Tesla motor can rev to 18,000 RPM. The Tesla Motor “Package” has a built-in Inverter and a 9.95:1 gear reducer, so the maximum rotation of the wheels will be around 1,800 RPM. On my car, this will give you 120 MPH or 200 KPH. With the huge torque from the Tesla motor, the possibility of breaking a tranny gear shaft along with the loss of efficiency of a transmission, I would not put one in. I can change from Forward to Reverse with a switch in the cab.
@Magicinstalls
@Magicinstalls 5 ай бұрын
He doesn't need a trans converter kit. He did this the right way he got rid of all the original dry train, so not to put a drag on the motor and be inefficient. Everything Tesla.
@johndollarhide2574
@johndollarhide2574 3 ай бұрын
I've sure you have heard, but all Boxsters and 911s from this era will need engine replacements eventually, is there any reason this KIA/tesla setup wouldn't work in a 911? Is reversing the motor really just swapping the FWD and REV switch? Did you use the boxster throttle? I have the last year of cable throttle in my 911 and would have to use a cable converter of some kind right?
@repairs101
@repairs101 2 ай бұрын
Sorry for the delay - Terry is out of town. You can reach him directly at : mooret88 at outlook dot com
@esterpka817
@esterpka817 28 күн бұрын
I want to do this to my E30 with a model 3 motor, any advice or websites that can help with instructions? Thanks Eddie
@repairs101
@repairs101 27 күн бұрын
“Hi Ed. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. It was a fun project to do, and the end result is excellent. I can be a sounding board for you, and I suggest you look at the EV Open Inverter Forum. www.openinverter.org Lots of good projects and advice there.” Terry Moore Mooret88@outlook.com
@jonk8337
@jonk8337 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on your build. I’ve been dreaming about this swap for years. I really think the Boxster is a perfect candidate for this kind of EV conversion. I’ve been looking for a used first generation Boxster S to purchase for this purpose. What range are you getting?
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
Hi Jon. Thanks for watching the video. Yes, the Porsche Boxster & Boxster S is a prime candidate for conversion. The problem will always be finding one with a trashed motor but the body and suspension are still in good shape. I lucked out! As for mileage, last summer I was tracking around 100-120KM (60-70 mi) with a full charge. The range is dictated by the batteries you choose. I chose the KIA 400V batteries because they were the most compact high energy density air-cooled battery on the market in 2015. My battery/motor configuration allowed me to kept the Boxter front/rear weight ratio. The water cooled Tesla batteries has a higher density (longer range) but are too large to fit into the area vacated by the motor, tranny and exhaust system. With semi-solid state batteries coming into the market, I will probably upgrade the batteries to extend the range. Let me know if you have any more questions. Terry.
@jonk8337
@jonk8337 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your reply. The 1st gen porsche boxster makes the most sense because of price and practicality. One can get one for cheap. No need to upgrade your suspension, brakes, etc. to accommodate the high performance EV motor. You are a pioneer in EV conversions. I imagine this is was how it was back in the early “hot rod” days. I see a future of building a custom EV car from one’s imagination. Now that we have 3D printing technology. I’ve already seen ready made “skateboard” EV platforms for EV cars at the SEMA shows. I can already see a private car maker emerging just for this market. Imagine 3D print a HotWheel and making one into a full size automobile.
@pavlos4852
@pavlos4852 Жыл бұрын
Hi do you have the details for F1 moto in the uk
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
F1 Moto - sales@f1moto.co.uk Contact name is "Neville". (tell 'em Terry from Vancouver sent you)
@SHaDoRuN
@SHaDoRuN Жыл бұрын
What was the cost for the conversion? How fast is it compared to the original boxster ?
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
Hi Ken. Glad you enjoyed the show. I don’t know what the top speed is yet. I have had it up to 160 KPH (100 MPH) and it really wanted to go faster. Top speed of a normal ’02 Boxster S is rated at 260 KPH or 160 MPH. 0-60 MPH should be around 4 sec with the electric. The normal ‘02 Boxster S is rated at 5.5 sec from 0-60 MPH. As for costs, I am under $40,000 CDN, including the car. I am reusing old parts for the build. It would be substantially more if I had to buy a new motor or battery pack. Terry.
@user-dx6ub2lw6z
@user-dx6ub2lw6z Жыл бұрын
@jonk8337 I have a 2003 Boxster S with a bad motor.
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
Everybody's going to want to know: where and how much?
@Avlimusic
@Avlimusic Жыл бұрын
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
I know, right?
@zeezeedex6315
@zeezeedex6315 Жыл бұрын
how long did this take ?
@repairs101
@repairs101 Жыл бұрын
Just under 2 years from drawing board to driveway
@4literv6
@4literv6 2 жыл бұрын
If you change the header to tesla swap or tesla conversion? You'd get a lot more views on this killer project. 👍🏻😎
@repairs101
@repairs101 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip!
@4literv6
@4literv6 2 жыл бұрын
@@repairs101 sure thing, can't wait to see more on this project. 👍🏻
@repairs101
@repairs101 2 жыл бұрын
I took your advice and changed both the Header and Thumbnail. Wish me Luck. I worked hard on this one. And thanks again for the tip!
@miguellavin5041
@miguellavin5041 24 күн бұрын
I own a 1998 Porsche Boxter 986, How much would you charge me to do the conversion for me??? Have a Blessed day.
@repairs101
@repairs101 22 күн бұрын
You can reach Terry directly at : mooret88 at outlook dot com
@repairs101
@repairs101 19 күн бұрын
Terry's reply: “Hi Migel. A lot depends on where you are”
@KTporsche
@KTporsche Ай бұрын
you can even make these kits to sell to public and probably and make a huge huge profit. just saying
@KTporsche
@KTporsche Ай бұрын
oh yeah and what is the range? haha that's probably the most important thing. I remember seeing a similar video and the guy got like 120 miles range. Its fine I guess if everything is close by.
@repairs101
@repairs101 Ай бұрын
Hi Keith. The range is about what you mentioned and is dependent on the batteries selected. Think of this build as a prototype. It used first generation Lithium-Ion Batteries from a 2015 KIA Soul which were good at the time. I’m working out all the minor kinks and inconveniences now so when the next generation Lithium-Ion Solid State batteries to be commercially available, I will just put them in. The range would most likely double. Terry.
@KTporsche
@KTporsche Ай бұрын
@@repairs101 ahh gotcha, good good ya still an achievement. Food for thought Limo could potentially get a max range since they are longer and can conceal a lot more batteries and blend the look of it. If you can make kits for that...... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
@user-dx6ub2lw6z
@user-dx6ub2lw6z Жыл бұрын
Haven’t set a price. Alabama
@Magicinstalls
@Magicinstalls 5 ай бұрын
Why would the hell would you not use a nacs plug and the supercharger from the original Tesla? You cannot fast. Charge that car now. Good luck road tripping it!
@johndollarhide2574
@johndollarhide2574 3 ай бұрын
Maybe the KIA air cooled batteries/battery charge controller can't handle the current? How would you integrate it with the KIA system?
@ribtips305
@ribtips305 2 ай бұрын
Because it would be locked out. You can’t charge conversions at Tesla charge stations just because the parts match. The software and encrypted signaling will *never* work. They go out of their way to make sure that *only* Teslas, and soon the manufacturers that they allow, can use their network.
@niacal4nia
@niacal4nia 3 ай бұрын
Very nice! Where can I convert my 1986 Porsche 928S in California? San Diego?l EV west chargers an arm & leg so an electric VW bug cost more than a new Tesla😂
@repairs101
@repairs101 3 ай бұрын
You can contact Terry directly at : mooret88 at outlook dot com
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